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Twinmomentum
11-01-2007, 07:19 PM
Hey Guys,

My name is Brett and I am the top admin of the Huck's Army Forums (http://www.forum.hucksarmy.com). I'm really sorry about some of the stupid things a few Huckabee supporters have done -- I have always told them to leave you guys alone.

The fact is that we couldn't win in a fight. You guys are bigger and better at what you do. But we're not looking for a fight. In many ways I feel like our campaigns are in the same boat. Ron Paul is a dark horse just like Mike Huckabee, and he has very motivated grassroots just like Mike Huckabee. We are both fighting for MSM attention. Huckabee is breaking out and that is good for Ron Paul. That means that people will be more open to someone else doing the same thing.

To be honest I was hoping you could see our efforts as a compliment. We're trying to copy the best grassroots movement around. In fact, the welcome post to our forum says this:
"We would also be remiss if we did not give props to Ron Paul supporters for showing the country what a grassroots forum should look like. We're going to try to top you, but we won't forget that you did it first."

I can't speak for every individual user, but as the top admin I can tell you that I really respect and appreciate Dr. Paul. I also really respect everything you guys have been able to accomplish. I don't think many people take you guys seriously enough. They'll find out soon.

In the meantime, let's just be friends. Thanks for listening.

Sincerely,
Brett (username: ihearthuckabee)

P.S. Some of you are clamoring for a debate between our members. I'm afraid we're months behind you guys in getting our grassroots together, so we really don't have the time. Our purpose over at Huck's Army is to facilitate the efforts of committed Huckabee supporters. There are other place online to go for debates and disagreement. Huck's Army is only about grassroots organization. Thanks for understanding.

hellah10
11-01-2007, 07:23 PM
interesting

Pauliana
11-01-2007, 07:23 PM
aww... isn't that sweet.

Corydoras
11-01-2007, 07:26 PM
Rather touching. We don't get many earnest expressions of respect from our competition.

JaylieWoW
11-01-2007, 07:26 PM
Hey Guys,

My name is Brett and I am the top admin of the Huck's Army Forums (http://www.forum.hucksarmy.com). I'm really sorry about some of the stupid things a few Huckabee supporters have done -- I have always told them to leave you guys alone.

The fact is that we couldn't win in a fight. You guys are bigger and better at what you do. But we're not looking for a fight. In many ways I feel like our campaigns are in the same boat. Ron Paul is a dark horse just like Mike Huckabee, and he has very motivated grassroots just like Mike Huckabee. We are both fighting for MSM attention. Huckabee is breaking out and that is good for Ron Paul. That means that people will be more open to someone else doing the same thing.

To be honest I was hoping you could see our efforts as a compliment. We're trying to copy the best grassroots movement around. In fact, the welcome post to our forum says this:

I can't speak for every individual user, but as the top admin I can tell you that I really respect and appreciate Dr. Paul. I also really respect everything you guys have been able to accomplish. I don't think many people take you guys seriously enough. They'll find out soon.

In the meantime, let's just be friends. Thanks for listening.

Sincerely,
Brett (username: ihearthuckabee)

P.S. Some of you are clamoring for a debate between our members. I'm afraid we're months behind you guys in getting our grassroots together, so we really don't have the time. Our purpose over at Huck's Army is to facilitate the efforts of committed Huckabee supporters. There are other place online to go for debates and disagreement. Huck's Army is only about grassroots organization. Thanks for understanding.

Come to the Paul-side Hucksters!! The future is bright over here. :)

slantedview
11-01-2007, 07:27 PM
I feel so jaded nowadays that I find myself searching this message for evil subtext. There doesn't appear to be any.

A debate would be cool.

dmspilot00
11-01-2007, 07:27 PM
That's a little strange. I didn't know there was a competition between the two to see who had the greater grassroots support. Our grassroots is more substantial not because we're better at grassrootsing but because the candidate and the platform blow everyone else's out of the water. What could be better than freedom?

Oh and of course Huckabee already has MSM support.

ronpaulyourmom
11-01-2007, 07:28 PM
Well said from Huck's Army forums, some pretty bad things have been said about them from our side as well, let's all try to get along shall we?

Here's to true grassroots candidates.

RP4ME
11-01-2007, 07:28 PM
Yeah step in to the light!

0zzy
11-01-2007, 07:29 PM
:) Nice to meet you! Thanks for this respectful competition :).

Ron Paul Fan
11-01-2007, 07:31 PM
He's lying. It's obvious he's trying to get us to let our guard down while he builds his defenses to prepare for the real attack. I consider this message a declaration of war! Prepare for battle! We must defeat Huckabee's army if we want to maintain our liberties! Give me liberty or give me death!!!!!!!!

Omnis
11-01-2007, 07:33 PM
...

To be honest I was hoping you could see our efforts as a compliment. We're trying to copy the best grassroots movement around. In fact, the welcome post to our forum says this:

I can't speak for every individual user, but as the top admin I can tell you that I really respect and appreciate Dr. Paul. I also really respect everything you guys have been able to accomplish. I don't think many people take you guys seriously enough. They'll find out soon.

In the meantime, let's just be friends. Thanks for listening.

Sincerely,
Brett (username: ihearthuckabee)

Shut up and donate. :cool:

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 07:35 PM
Oh please, Ron Paul Fan. lol.

Thanks for coming over here and leaving the message, Twinmomentum. :) Please understand that we plan on winning though. In the meantime, please go do some reading here, www.RonPaulLibrary.org

Spirit of '76
11-01-2007, 07:36 PM
Thanks for the respectful message. We welcome the competition and hope that you'll join us when Ron wins the nomination. :)

constitutional
11-01-2007, 07:36 PM
Ron Paul is a dark horse just like Mike Huckabee

Are you sure? Check back on Nov. 5th. Thank you very much.

Thomas_Paine
11-01-2007, 07:36 PM
He's lying. It's obvious he's trying to get us to let our guard down while he builds his defenses to prepare for the real attack. I consider this message a declaration of war! Prepare for battle! We must defeat Huckabee's army if we want to maintain our liberties! Give me liberty or give me death!!!!!!!!

That is really hilarious.


Truth is stranger than fiction they say...

dircha
11-01-2007, 07:36 PM
Mike Huckabee and his supporters represent a big part of everything that is wrong with this country.

Poorly informed, big government, pandering theocrats. And I say that as a Christian. Mike Huckabee makes me sick.

Mike Huckabee would be Bush 2.0. He has less smarts than Bush, wants to spend more than Bush, and views foreign policy like a high school football game.

Adamsa
11-01-2007, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the post!

I don't think a Paul/Huck ticket would be too bad... :D

Hehe, maybe thats too far. :P

TheConstitutionLives
11-01-2007, 07:40 PM
I thought that was a classy post.

freelance
11-01-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanks again for the post. There's another one over in Other...

And now...


Shut up and donate.

nbhadja
11-01-2007, 07:43 PM
Hucko is a liar neo-con. Ron and Huck are nothing alike. Ron actually has a chance to win, and is honest and cares about the people. Huck doesn't.

ButchHowdy
11-01-2007, 07:43 PM
Mike Huckabee and his supporters represent a big part of everything that is wrong with this country.

Poorly informed, big government, pandering theocrats. And I say that as a Christian. Mike Huckabee makes me sick.

Mike Huckabee would be Bush 2.0. He has less smarts than Bush, wants to spend more than Bush, and views foreign policy like a high school football game.

Whenever I look into Huck's eyes, all I see are the letters C*F*R*

Thank you for sticking your finger in YOUR throat so I didn't have to!!!

michaelwise
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
I do like Huckabee the best of all the other candidates, but his message is too flawed for me to give my support to. What our country is screaming for, is radical change, if you consider the US Constitution radical, as I do.

NewEnd
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
We all wish you the best.

Split the warmangoering vote a little more, and suffer the same fate as every other neocon in the primaries.

Sean Hannity: Ron Paul!

Hurricane Bruiser
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
I may think the Huckster is an ok person but like another poster said, he is essentially Bush 3.0 and I don't see any change in direction for this country with Huck as President. The only one with a true platform of needed change is Ron Paul.

bolidew
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
Please donate to RP. ;)

Mandrik
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
Brett, less forum posting and more handing out of RP slim jims.

Thanks! ;)

Corydoras
11-01-2007, 07:45 PM
I think this was an unfortunate moment for a kind gesture from someone in another campaign.
So many of us are in a foul mood about the Philly rally.

Mandrik
11-01-2007, 07:46 PM
I think this was an unfortunate moment for a kind gesture from someone in another campaign.
So many of us are in a foul mood about the Philly rally.

Yeah, the grumpy masses found a target. Run!

American
11-01-2007, 07:48 PM
I see the Hucksters are already counting on RP out of the race and trying to court our support when and if that happens.

Good luck with the forum, and the campaign.

I will be voting Socialist if RP doesnt get the nod.

Fascism doesnt sound very appealing.

specsaregood
11-01-2007, 07:48 PM
//

Jimmy
11-01-2007, 07:50 PM
"Whereas the Government of Ron Paul Army has formally declared war against the Government and the people of Huckavillie : Therefore be it

"Resolved, etc., That the state of war between the Ron Paul Amry and the Government of Huckavillie, which has thus been thrust upon the Ron Paul Army, is hereby formally declared; and Presient Ron Paul is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire keyboarders and mouse clickers forces of the Ron Paul Army and the resources of the Ron Paul Army to carry on war against the Government of Huckavillie; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources, are hereby pledged by the Ron Paul Army of the United States."

Just kiddin....:D;)

Korey Kaczynski
11-01-2007, 07:52 PM
I think this was an unfortunate moment for a kind gesture from someone in another campaign.
So many of us are in a foul mood about the Philly rally.

Our founding fathers didn't win our Revolutionary War by being honorable; they attacked traditional armies with guerilla warfare, and attacked on holidays when it was uncustomary to do so. That's how we should view this campaign; with total and complete unconcern for the well-being of the opposition. We need to utterly annihilate the efforts of the other candidates.

This isn't chess, gentlemen. It's about starting to turn this country around, and Ron Paul is the man behind tons of pissed pro-American people who are tired of the neocon semi-socialist agenda. The Huckster sure isn't, with his Clintonesque socialism and his theocratic leanings.

The only other candidate we should show any respect to is Tancredo, who seems to be learning from Ron Paul and is undoubtedly legit in the sense Ron Paul is, minus the weaker philosophy and the grandfatherly charisma.

Magsec
11-01-2007, 07:52 PM
I kinda like Huckabee. He's the only candidate other than RP that I would vote for in a general election, but c'mon, he went for RP's jugular talking about how "honor" is keeping us in Iraq. I'm amused at his "RP is talking" face though, it's pretty distinct.

Korey Kaczynski
11-01-2007, 07:53 PM
I see the Hucksters are already counting on RP out of the race and trying to court our support when and if that happens.

Good luck with the forum, and the campaign.

I will be voting Socialist if RP doesnt get the nod.

Fascism doesnt sound very appealing.

Socialism??? :confused:

American
11-01-2007, 07:56 PM
Socialism??? :confused:

I know, but I cant vote for any other GOP candidate. The sooner the worse happens the sooner we can have a real revolution and change things....:eek:
















:rolleyes:

Corydoras
11-01-2007, 07:57 PM
That's how we should view this campaign; with total and complete unconcern for the well-being of the opposition. We need to utterly annihilate the efforts of the other candidates.

Preferably by plundering their votes and their ex-supporters' wallets, rather than by alienating their supporters. Just sayin'.

Korey Kaczynski
11-01-2007, 07:58 PM
I know, but I cant vote for any other GOP candidate. The sooner the worse happens the sooner we can have a real revolution and change things....:eek:

:rolleyes:

Hahahaha. I know exactly what you're talking about -- I wanted Kerry to win in 2004 because he'd be a worse president and thus people would be more inclined for better leaders in 08 ;)

Vaughn
11-01-2007, 07:59 PM
That was a respectful post. Thank you- we Ron Paul supporters don't get those too often.

freelance
11-01-2007, 07:59 PM
I see the Hucksters are already counting on RP out of the race and trying to court our support when and if that happens.

I don't think so. They'd have to be MAJORLY DELUSIONAL to think that they'd get more than a handful of RP supporters to support Huckabee. I've visited their forum and I've seen nothing the likes of the one who camps out and rants here. I honestly think it was a nice gesture--the bonus being an excuse to look around here for awhile--a hide in plain site kind of thing, at worst.

Maybe I'm just naive?

Drknows
11-01-2007, 08:03 PM
hucksters support will vanish, as fast as it came. Its sad really.

The guy just doesnt have the personality. He's one quip away from destroying his own campaign.

I thought the razor blades and bathtub remark would've done it.

me3
11-01-2007, 08:05 PM
Nice guerilla marketing by Hucks Army. Come post on the forums and mention the Huckabee site several times. The message could have been delivered without the subliminal marketing.

rrroae
11-01-2007, 08:08 PM
I think instead of admonishing their candidate, we should recognize the humility and class of this person's post.

I'd like to think that's the type of people we are.

lynnf
11-01-2007, 08:08 PM
Hey Guys,

My name is Brett and I am the top admin of the Huck's Army Forums (http://www.forum.hucksarmy.com). I'm really sorry about some of the stupid things a few Huckabee supporters have done -- I have always told them to leave you guys alone.

.........

In the meantime, let's just be friends. Thanks for listening.

Sincerely,
Brett (username: ihearthuckabee)





Brett,

thank you for, well, whatever that was....

we welcome you to join us when it is clear that there is no one left standing other than the only true conservative in the race.... Ron Paul and that might be sooner than you think. there have been some disturbing recent revelations about your candidate that I won't repeat here, it wouldn't do any good if I did, I would only hope that you might seek them out for yourself.

lynn

ape
11-01-2007, 08:48 PM
just a huckabee supporter plugging his website on the RP forums. That's right you know where the traffic is. Now when any new potential RP supporter visits this website and possibly views this thread, he/she will see that crappy huck link and prolly check him out aswell. Clever.

If i was the mod would bin this garbage if that link isnt removed

literatim
11-01-2007, 08:54 PM
You know you want to switch to the light side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKRzIaFw8V8

:)

CJLauderdale4
11-01-2007, 08:58 PM
No problems with Huck, and your efforts, just some slight detials, Brett:

"Honor" - the new foreign policy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sA5FQfE1E

- Mexican consulate deal dogs Huckabee campaign
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58430

- Legality of Huckabee's Mexican consulate deal questioned
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58455

- Christians on Huckabee:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm

Just some reading for ya...good luck!

jjockers
11-01-2007, 09:01 PM
I think instead of admonishing their candidate, we should recognize the humility and class of this person's post.

I'd like to think that's the type of people we are.

I second that. Thanks for this post, ihearthuckabee. You are a class act. I've several issues with Huckabee, but I'd take him over most of the other GOP and liberal candidates. However, Ron Paul and his message wins hand down.

When the time is right, I am sure we will join forces :)

richard1984
11-01-2007, 09:08 PM
Seems like a nice guy like that would be a Ron Paul supporter? :confused:

Is he getting paid?
Because if not...why the hell is he still supporting Huckabee?!?! He sounds like he's a Ron Paul supporter, but he another country (so he can't really help us even though he'd like to).

Weird letter.
Nice.
But weird....


Join us Huckabee supporters (Halloween is over now ;))!!! :D

devil21
11-01-2007, 09:09 PM
Id edit out the links to his forum but leave the message intact otherwise. No sense in boosting his Google page rank at this forum's expense.

cmc
11-01-2007, 09:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4

me3
11-01-2007, 09:10 PM
Id edit out the links to his forum but leave the message intact otherwise. No sense in boosting his Google page rank at this forum's expense.
Yes, mods please delete the link. Anyone can google up Hucks Army if they are so inclined. We shouldn't be providing link juice to the competition, especially when they post it themselves. Could set a bad precedent.

Oh darn, a few people quoted his post too. :mad:

mavtek
11-01-2007, 09:14 PM
I got an email from a Mike Huckabee supporter via meetup asking me to meetup with them and support Mike Huckabee. Here's my reply, enjoy!

"Sorry Rusty, I'm supporting a fellow Texan for president. I was interested in Mike Huckabee at one time, but his many short comings kept me from supporting him. I think it's fine that he is an ordained minister, but the experience just isn't there. His record wasn't very good in Arkansas and many of his fellow Republicans in that state won't endorse him. Mike Huckabee asks us to judge him for what he's saying now, not what he's done in the past. I'm sorry, how can any rational person do such a thing? Does Mike Huckabee have the political experience to run a country? I just don't think so, I'm sorry, he often caved to liberals in his own state for entitlement programs that raised taxes substantially. As a minister I'm sure he's socially conservative, but as a politician he's not fiscally conservative in the slightest. Is he even running in the right party? I mean did he really equate the Iraq war to a Football game? I still don't quite understand how a minister can support an unjust war such as this one. As far as I'm concerned there's only 1 true Republican running for president, and he also happens to have the record to back him up. Thank God he's running for president, thank God for Ron Paul.

http://www.taxhikemike.org/"

me3
11-01-2007, 09:15 PM
Huckabee spam. Someone contact WIRED. :p

tsopranos
11-01-2007, 09:16 PM
Hey Guys,

My name is Brett and I am the top admin of the Huck's Army Forums. I'm really sorry about some of the stupid things a few Huckabee supporters have done -- I have always told them to leave you guys alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

devil21
11-01-2007, 09:16 PM
Yes, mods please delete the link. Anyone can google up Hucks Army if they are so inclined. We shouldn't be providing link juice to the competition, especially when they post it themselves. Could set a bad precedent.

Oh darn, a few people quoted his post too. :mad:

Its nothing that a mod couldnt fix in 30 seconds flat (if not 3 seconds by moving the thread to a private forum). Anybody with SEO experience can see right through that "nice gesture" post and see it is nothing but an attempt to capitalize on rpforums traffic.

ape
11-01-2007, 09:19 PM
sucks the mod is gonna have to go through all the quotes to get rid of the links if they decide it to be bad manner, unless of course the people who posted do it themselves.

Second_Tier_My_Ass
11-01-2007, 09:21 PM
We should try to be as friendly and open with them as possible. They're fighting the same beast we are. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We clearly have the stronger grassroots support, more money flowing towards our candidate, and a stronger, more inspiring message. This isn't to bash Huckabee though. I'd take him over any of the top-tier candidates, definitely. We all feel that chances are good that Ron Paul will win. At the very least, even the most stubborn of neocons have to agree that Ron Paul will continue battling for quite a long time, longer than Huckabee. But we have to realize, once Huckabee's campaign is over with, his community will have to turn to somewhere else. They'll either go back to the MSM candidates, or to us. We should welcome them with open arms.

ape
11-01-2007, 09:23 PM
being friendly is cool, plugging links on an opponents support site is not. He knows damn well RP dominates the internet and gets a shitload of traffic.

JoshLowry
11-01-2007, 09:24 PM
The links don't matter.

Thanks for the post, Brett.

I might of supported Huck except for that whole illegal unconstitutional preemptive war thing.

devil21
11-01-2007, 09:25 PM
sucks the mod is gonna have to go through all the quotes to get rid of the links if they decide it to be bad manner, unless of course the people who posted do it themselves.

I dont see any reason why the thread itself can't be binned entirely (as well as his other identical post in the General Politics section). There's nothing to be gained by RPforums and everything to be gained by his forum. Hopefully the mods will do the right thing and kill these posts and ban that guy.

EDIT: Josh, you cant be serious? The links dont matter? You dont mind a Huck site using RPforums to springboard their google/yahoo rank?

JoshLowry
11-01-2007, 09:26 PM
Hopefully the mods will do the right thing and kill these posts and ban that guy.

:rolleyes:

ape
11-01-2007, 09:26 PM
why don't the links matter?

edit: I didn't even notice the identical posting on the other forum. That's jacked up. You hucksters really think you're slick don't you?

Ready2Revolt
11-01-2007, 09:27 PM
I for one think this a good gesdture by them. Atleast they have give us some recognition when others in the mainstream marginalize us. Spambots, Hardball Hardball,....... I think for some people Huckabee might be a candidate that supports their veiws. Pro-illegal immigration, social conservative, Bush 3.0.... and thats good for them. Atleast, hopefully, they are informed about his stands which more then I can say about the the sheep out there that votes for who the media tells them to vote for. Hopefully together through the internet we can inform the population through information available on the internet that the MSM is not putting forth to the voters.

JoshLowry
11-01-2007, 09:31 PM
why don't the links matter?

edit: I didn't even notice the identical posting in the GD forums. Thhat's jacked up. You hucksters really think you're slick don't you?

Because Google doesn't treat a link on a forum with any importance.

CJLauderdale4
11-01-2007, 09:31 PM
:rolleyes:

Silence the Huck Army!!
Vote Ron Paul!!!

(oxymoron??)

ape
11-01-2007, 09:34 PM
Silence the Huck Army!!
Vote Ron Paul!!!

(oxymoron??)

haha, now we wanna silence huckabbe? More like we're calling out a huckabee supporter for plugging links on an opponents website, especially one that has potential new supporters viewing daily. This is a campaign, if you can't recognize the garbage then w/e. I know people can make up their own mind but this is pretty lame, let them search out those forums on their own or discover it on some other website, maybe rudys if he has one.

CJLauderdale4
11-01-2007, 09:37 PM
You see them as a threat, I see them as potential Ron Paul supporters...
When the Huckster goes down, they'll be writing on this forum every night like we are...

Right, Brett??!?!?

Suzu
11-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Hey, Brett - Will you please ask Mike how come he had 100 state-owned hard drives crushed, and let us know? I for one am mighty curious about that.

devil21
11-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Because Google doesn't treat a link on a forum with any importance.

Admittedly it doesnt have anchor text to bolster it but YES spiders DO pay attention to links. That's why you have link farms. If they post a link on their site to this site (betcha there already is a few there now) it will boost their page rank. Anchor text is not a requirement. Besides, all the search engines have their own algorithm and while Google may not treat it highly, Yahoo will, Ask.com may, etc. Do we want to boost other campaigns in any way??

But hey you're the admin right? If you want Huck people posting links to his site here, who cares? :rolleyes:

(Sorry, really didnt mean to turn it into a pissing match, but what that guy is doing is obvious. The second identical post in another thread proved it wasn't a "nice gesture".)

ape
11-01-2007, 09:40 PM
You see them as a threat, I see them as potential Ron Paul supporters...
When the Huckster goes down, they'll be writing on this forum every night like we are...

Right, Brett??!?!?

No I don't. I honestly think the only way a bunch of hardcore bible thumping, warmongering fundamentalists are gonna support RP is if they have no choice and a democrat is their only other option. Now I may be painting with a broad brush however that's what I have encountered with hucks people. According to them we are in a holy war with islam, MMJ is evil, and we have infintie amounts of money to do whatever the hell we want around the world.

me3
11-01-2007, 09:45 PM
Because Google doesn't treat a link on a forum with any importance.
The forum will bleed pagerank to that thread, and each page will bleed pagerank to the outbound links.

I've been doing SEO for a long time. The links matter.

steph3n
11-01-2007, 09:48 PM
The forum will bleed pagerank to that thread, and each page will bleed pagerank to the outbound links.

I've been doing SEO for a long time. The links matter.

in the overall scheme it doesn't matter. We aren't in it for SEO. we are here to win :)

devil21
11-01-2007, 09:57 PM
The forum will bleed pagerank to that thread, and each page will bleed pagerank to the outbound links.

I've been doing SEO for a long time. The links matter.

Thank you. Im glad Im not the only one who knows this stuff. Their forum is nearly an identical copy of ours. Scarily identical. Except for the number of members :D

CJLauderdale4
11-01-2007, 10:01 PM
I honestly think the only way a bunch of hardcore bible thumping, warmongering fundamentalists are gonna support RP is if they have no choice and a democrat is their only other option. Now I may be painting with a broad brush however that's what I have encountered with hucks people. According to them we are in a holy war with islam, MMJ is evil, and we have infintie amounts of money to do whatever the hell we want around the world.

I hear you on the economic side of things. I don't think any candidate's supporters truly understand the economic problems we face except US!!

I know it's strange, but I'm one of those crazy bible-reading Christian guys from the South (orginally from New Orleans), yet one who understands what the Constitution is all about.

This is where I think many of these Republican supporters (not RP) need to be schooled. What does the Constitution say about the declaration of war? What did the Federalist (and anti-Federalist) Papers debate concerning the role of the Federal government in domestic policy of everyday life? What did the Founders say about taxation?

With my 80% public-school education, it took me sometime to swallow the red pill and detach myself from the MATRIX. But it can happen!!! I'm proof!!

Shhh...don't tell anyone...I voted for Bush in 2004...thought we should take out the terrrrrrists. Then I realized, we weren't looking for the terrrrrists....they were in Pakistan, where the nukes are already built, and on missiles...

steph3n
11-01-2007, 10:04 PM
I am a clone of you, or you are a clone of me :D


I hear you on the economic side of things. I don't think any candidate's supporters truly understand the economic problems we face except US!!

I know it's strange, but I'm one of those crazy bible-reading Christian guys from the South (orginally from New Orleans), yet one who understands what the Constitution is all about.

This is where I think many of these Republican supporters (not RP) need to be schooled. What does the Constitution say about the declaration of war? What did the Federalist (and anti-Federalist) Papers debate concerning the role of the Federal government in domestic policy of everyday life? What did the Founders say about taxation?

With my 80% public-school education, it took me sometime to swallow the red pill and detach myself from the MATRIX. But it can happen!!! I'm proof!!

Shhh...don't tell anyone...I voted for Bush in 2004...thought we should take out the terrrrrrists. Then I realized, we weren't looking for the terrrrrists....they were in Pakistan, where the nukes are already built, and on missiles...

LinuxUser269
11-01-2007, 10:04 PM
Got to love the huck fans for helping dilute the vote for Ron Paul.

werdd
11-01-2007, 10:08 PM
Got to love the huck fans for helping dilute the vote for Ron Paul.

werd

Bryan
11-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Thanks Brett, I had actually already seen the props from your welcome post and it is appreciated. We've got our sources... :) ... and I have to admire your forum structure. :D

It is unfortunate that there are some on all sides that have a hard time keeping the conversation civil. I think some of the comments in this thread show that there is a lot to be learned on how to make progress in this country... and we certainly need a lot of progress (or regression to the founders... :)) While there are good points, delivery is key.

Perhaps in the future we can find some neutral territory on the web were we can have a positive exchange of information (ie: debate. :D).

All the best in your journeys,


-Bryan



The forum will bleed pagerank to that thread, and each page will bleed pagerank to the outbound links.

I've been doing SEO for a long time. The links matter.
They do link to us on their site... :)

Kregener
11-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Do you ever think those folks will wake up to the realization that their "candidate" is just another big-government spender like all that have come before him?

Ron Paul or goodbye Republic...

work2win
11-01-2007, 10:24 PM
http://www.starwars.stopklatka.pl/images/ackbar.jpg

UCFGavin
11-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Brett, I admire you for coming here and saying the things you did and I'm sure that Mike is a nice guy in person...the fact of the matter though is that he is a member of the CFR and continues the gradual decline of our country by supporting our bullshit foreign policy.

I really hope that you will eventually see the light and support Ron Paul.

ape
11-01-2007, 10:33 PM
I hear you on the economic side of things. I don't think any candidate's supporters truly understand the economic problems we face except US!!..

It amazes me how uninformed the other candidates supporters are. If you want a mind numbing experience visit the sean hannity forums and talk to the fredheads, your IQ will have dropped by the time you're finished.


I know it's strange, but I'm one of those crazy bible-reading Christian guys from the South (orginally from New Orleans), yet one who understands what the Constitution is all about

that's cool if you read the bible, I don't think that's crazy. It's when people start thumping the bible, that's what gets me. I'm roman catholic, I've read some of the bible myself.

RP4ME
11-01-2007, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the post!

I don't think a Paul/Huck ticket would be too bad... :D

Hehe, maybe thats too far. :P

you need to rethink that - if Paul dies or is killed - huck as Pres? No - he is shady, too many etics issues while in office, misspends state money, amnesty for illgals - NO WAY! I apprecaite teh friendly post but Huck has characte issues and is a repeat of what we have had!

werdd
11-01-2007, 10:38 PM
It amazes me how uninformed the other candidates supporters are. If you want a mind numbing experience visit the sean hannity forums and talk to the fredheads, you're IQ will have dropped by the time you're finished.



that's cool if you read the bible, I don't think that's crazy. It's when people start thumping the bible, that's what gets me. I'm roman catholic, I've read some of the bible myself.

My experiance over there at hannity.com is that they would all be 100% gunho for Ron Paul if he was for killing arabs. They often complain about him voting down appropriations bills, and they dont care that hes doing it because theres tons of pork in those things, apparently making a point for small goverment is hating our troops.

Then when you show them voted for missle defense in 1999, they are like durrrrrrrrrrr.

They are a lost cause, but there are many new people we could pick up easily, if we could just show them our rationale vs theirs. Unfortunately i got banned there for pushing RP ever so lightly.

steph3n
11-01-2007, 10:41 PM
the fact of the matter though is that he is a member of the CFR

While he is certainly a candidate to join and really toeing their line, I don't think he is a member?

werdd
11-01-2007, 10:44 PM
While he is certainly a candidate to join and really toeing their line, I don't think he is a member?

He isn't yet, but hes definately opting for it, im sure he will get it after he loses in the primaries. Losing with "honor" = cfr material.

Shogun108
11-01-2007, 10:53 PM
He isn't yet, but hes definately opting for it, im sure he will get it after he loses in the primaries. Losing with "honor" = cfr material.

I'm just wandering where you got that idea... oh well...

Nice to see you Brett and thank you Paul supporters! :D

michaelwise
11-01-2007, 11:03 PM
All your base are belong to us.

M.Bellmore
11-01-2007, 11:06 PM
All your base are belong to us.


Hey that's the first time that quote actually made sense :D

Shogun108
11-01-2007, 11:10 PM
All your base are belong to us.

:rolleyes: That was comedic genius there nice timing...

steph3n
11-01-2007, 11:24 PM
I'm just wandering where you got that idea... oh well...

Nice to see you Brett and thank you Paul supporters! :D

because he agrees with their agenda maybe?

TVMH
11-01-2007, 11:29 PM
So does this mean no debate?

I'd tell you what we call that here in Arkansas, but you'd probably feel insulted. :rolleyes:

Shogun108
11-01-2007, 11:31 PM
I don't know...

I'd like to that's for sure:)

steph3n
11-01-2007, 11:33 PM
I don't know...

I'd like to that's for sure:)

Ok, I will setup something in the next 24 hours.

hatefalseweight
11-01-2007, 11:40 PM
I think it would be great to set up a traveling debate between supporters of each group going around Iowa and NH. Take the focus off the the CFR crowd and focus on the people's champs ... several well-spoken debaters from each group going around and duking it out at church or other functions. Have 3-5 on each side have a topic or two to present , practice with each other and make it civil. I think this would be well received. A few well-informed constitutionalists could take apart the Huck's Christo/collectivist agenda quite easily just holding up his positions to the constitution.

TVMH
11-02-2007, 12:16 AM
I think it would be great to set up a traveling debate between supporters of each group going around Iowa and NH. Take the focus off the the CFR crowd and focus on the people's champs ... several well-spoken debaters from each group going around and duking it out at church or other functions. Have 3-5 on each side have a topic or two to present , practice with each other and make it civil. I think this would be well received. A few well-informed constitutionalists could take apart the Huck's Christo/collectivist agenda quite easily just holding up his positions to the constitution.

I don't necessarily think that a debate has to be terribly confrontational, rather, I tend to see a debate as advancing a meeting of minds.

Here are the rules I propose:

Debate question: Should the US pull out of Iraq immediately?

* The first statement will be decided by coin-flip; I will defer to Shogun108 and let him call it (via PM to the forum moderator); again, I will take the affirmative position and Shogun108 will take the negative position, since that is the position apparently endorsed by Mike Huckabee;

* The forum will be closed for posting to all except Shogun108 and myself; all can read, but in the interest of keeping a free-flowing exchange, only the two debaters will be able to post;

* Each side may receive coaching from their "team" via PM's or e-mail;

* This will be a "free-flow" debate in which questions are allowed as a means of obtaining clarification on the opponent's position; every effort to address the question(s) in good faith shall be given in response;

* Each participant will have 24 hours to post a response to the opponent's statement; an additional 24 hours may be requested twice;

* No points will be given or taken away, rather, a poll will be used to gauge the board's sentiment; this poll shall be maintained by the forum moderator; polls on other candidates' forums are encouraged;

* The debate will end if a participant concedes or repeatedly avoids a direct question.

literatim
11-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Why even give these people the light of day?

Shogun108
11-02-2007, 12:28 AM
Why even give these people the light of day?

I hope you don't seriously feel that way... Such contempt... ;)

devil21
11-02-2007, 12:38 AM
They do link to us on their site... :)

Guess who benefits from that now that there is a link to them on this site? I appreciate what you guys do to keep this site up but there has to be a time where it is realized that RP is not an unknown candidate with a small grassroots forum behind it anyway. We have 5000+ members, they have 300+ members. Who do you really think benefits from getting reciprocal links? It sure isn't RPforums.com. Its their forum. AND THEIR CANDIDATE!

This is still a battle. Don't let "being nice" get in the way. They sure don't. Should I post a link to video of Rudy laughing at RP's answers during debates to prove my point? How about video of Huck talking about "honor"?

axiomata
11-02-2007, 12:45 AM
Whenever I look into Huck's eyes, all I see are the letters C*F*R*

Thank you for sticking your finger in YOUR throat so I didn't have to!!!
Then you are seeing things. Huckabee is one of the few that are not CFR.

And I'm not sure what twinmomentum's post was in reference to (I must have missed the fight), but it was a nice gesture.

devil21
11-02-2007, 12:51 AM
Then you are seeing things. Huckabee is one of the few that are not CFR.

And I'm not sure what twinmomentum's post was in reference to (I must have missed the fight), but it was a nice gesture.

Uh yeah, this should clear up any confusion on whether Huck is a CFR member (from barely over a month ago):

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14335/mike_huckabees_speech_on_foreign_policy.html

literatim
11-02-2007, 12:57 AM
Uh yeah, this should clear up any confusion on whether Huck is a CFR member (from barely over a month ago):

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14335/mike_huckabees_speech_on_foreign_policy.html

I am really not surprised.

Bryan
11-02-2007, 01:19 AM
Guess who benefits from that now that there is a link to them on this site? I appreciate what you guys do to keep this site up but there has to be a time where it is realized that RP is not an unknown candidate with a small grassroots forum behind it anyway. We have 5000+ members, they have 300+ members. Who do you really think benefits from getting reciprocal links? It sure isn't RPforums.com. Its their forum. AND THEIR CANDIDATE!

This is still a battle. Don't let "being nice" get in the way. They sure don't. Should I post a link to video of Rudy laughing at RP's answers during debates to prove my point? How about video of Huck talking about "honor"?

Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all forums; entangling alliances with none. :)

I'll respond more later... :)

devil21
11-02-2007, 02:48 AM
Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all forums; entangling alliances with none. :)

I'll respond more later... :)

Would we leave open links to fred08.c0m posted by his admin here? Never. Why should we have pity upon a lesser forum and a lesser candidate? Huck and RP have nothing in common, whats the point? How about I post a link to a RP video over there? Wanna take bets on how long that link will last before it is deleted? Get real. This isn't a joke, a game, or a competition. People WILL start taking advantage of this site if you allow them to.

EDIT: this has nothing to do with RP's views. My point is about how the internet works.

steph3n
11-02-2007, 07:27 AM
Uh yeah, this should clear up any confusion on whether Huck is a CFR member (from barely over a month ago):

http://www.cfr.org/publication/14335/mike_huckabees_speech_on_foreign_policy.html

hrm, seems he has joined the party of CFR
:rolleyes:

iddo
11-02-2007, 08:03 AM
What ever happened to the idea (after the "saving face" vs "honor" encounter) of having a 90 minutes conversation on TV between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee?
The original idea of having 90 minutes conversations without a moderator (instead of the current debates with 30 seconds for an answer) comes from Newt Gingrich, though he of course had in mind Hillary Clinton and himself doing such conversations.
Still, if we could arrange such a conversation (maybe on c-span, though iirc originally cnn was invoked), it will give the appearance of surpassing the so-called top tier candidates by having instead a more serious debate for the benefit of the American people.
Anyone knows if Ron Paul declined to do it, or Mike Huckabee declined? Or neither of them was actually offered to do it? Maybe we can try to push for it by contacting c-span or something?

steph3n
11-02-2007, 08:28 AM
What ever happened to the idea (after the "saving face" vs "honor" encounter) of having a 90 minutes conversation on TV between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee?
The original idea of having 90 minutes conversations without a moderator (instead of the current debates with 30 seconds for an answer) comes from Newt Gingrich, though he of course had in mind Hillary Clinton and himself doing such conversations.
Still, if we could arrange such a conversation (maybe on c-span, though iirc originally cnn was invoked), it will give the appearance of surpassing the so-called top tier candidates by having instead a more serious debate for the benefit of the American people.
Anyone knows if Ron Paul declined to do it, or Mike Huckabee declined? Or neither of them was actually offered to do it? Maybe we can try to push for it by contacting c-span or something?

How about we put it online and make it a true revolution of media? :D

iddo
11-02-2007, 08:41 AM
How about we put it online and make it a true revolution of media? :D

Interesting idea, for example we could put it online first as an exclusive, and afterwards c-span or cnn etc. could buy it and broadcast it too if they wish.
But of course, we cannot do anything unless Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee actually agree to do it... I wonder who we should initially contact if we want to try to push for this? The RP or Huckabee campaign? Or maybe contact c-span first?

RP08
11-02-2007, 08:56 AM
For the life of me I don't understand how any self-respecting, researched individual could actively support and endorse yet another sound-byte politician for hire.

It defies logic... but, it's not grounds for unprevoked assaults from people who know better. Hopefully that's not happening.

Good luck with your forum.

.

Hook
11-02-2007, 09:11 AM
I guess I hadn't seen any vitriol between Hucks forum and us. Anyone know what he is talking about?

Bryan
11-02-2007, 10:33 AM
Would we leave open links to fred08.c0m posted by his admin here?
That's not a forum. :)


Never. Why should we have pity upon a lesser forum and a lesser candidate? Huck and RP have nothing in common, whats the point?
I disagree, they do have a bit in common but this isn't about the candidate, it's about his grassroots supporters.


How about I post a link to a RP video over there? Wanna take bets on how long that link will last before it is deleted? Get real.
As I said, the admin over there has already linked to us here which is arguably better than a single video. I saw the link last week even, but I'd agree their policies aren't going to allow us to flood their site.


This isn't a joke, a game, or a competition.
I understand, the issue however is the tact that is used to do your best within this effort. I prefer to do what ever is reasonable to work with others on the best of terms and let the issues stand on their own merit. If all do this, and we are on the right side then we will do good. Additionally, I fail to see how this campaign is large enough to be burning bridges with other activists - there is a huge difference between dealing with other candidates and their supporters. The campaign has seen lots of converts, people coming from all over, I wish to remain as welcoming to all these people as possible. Perhaps the most diehard from other candidates will never be swayed but that still seems like no reason to change tactics, let's focus on the issues.


People WILL start taking advantage of this site if you allow them to.
Then that isn't honest friendship on their account (and it would violate the currently established forum guidelines at that). I have no reason to not see the first post here as honest friendship.

ARealConservative
11-02-2007, 10:37 AM
I feel so jaded nowadays that I find myself searching this message for evil subtext. There doesn't appear to be any.

A debate would be cool.

nothing evil about trying to siphon off support I suppose. But since we will outlast the Huckster, it is wasted effort.

Malakai0
11-02-2007, 11:16 AM
No problem dude, this is a peaceful revolution! We can be friends with everyone, just don't be surprised if we try to convince you your establishment candidate (as nice a guy as he is) is wrong for America right now.

When the establishment gets too powerful, you need the anti-establishment candidate ^^

constituent
11-02-2007, 11:24 AM
I don't necessarily think that a debate has to be terribly confrontational, rather, I tend to see a debate as advancing a meeting of minds.

Here are the rules I propose:

Debate question: Should the US pull out of Iraq immediately?

* The first statement will be decided by coin-flip; I will defer to Shogun108 and let him call it (via PM to the forum moderator); again, I will take the affirmative position and Shogun108 will take the negative position, since that is the position apparently endorsed by Mike Huckabee;

* The forum will be closed for posting to all except Shogun108 and myself; all can read, but in the interest of keeping a free-flowing exchange, only the two debaters will be able to post;

* Each side may receive coaching from their "team" via PM's or e-mail;

* This will be a "free-flow" debate in which questions are allowed as a means of obtaining clarification on the opponent's position; every effort to address the question(s) in good faith shall be given in response;

* Each participant will have 24 hours to post a response to the opponent's statement; an additional 24 hours may be requested twice;

* No points will be given or taken away, rather, a poll will be used to gauge the board's sentiment; this poll shall be maintained by the forum moderator; polls on other candidates' forums are encouraged;

* The debate will end if a participant concedes or repeatedly avoids a direct question.

wow, so the whole forum shuts down for (a couple of days is it?) so you and shogun alone may participate in some sort of mental exercise?
the best part:

The forum will be closed for posting to all except Shogun108 and myself; all can read, but in the interest of keeping a free-flowing exchange, only the two debaters will be able to post;

lol.

werdd
11-02-2007, 11:26 AM
wow, so the whole forum shuts down for (a couple of days is it?) so you and shogun alone may participate in some sort of mental exercise?
the best part:

The forum will be closed for posting to all except Shogun108 and myself; all can read, but in the interest of keeping a free-flowing exchange, only the two debaters will be able to post;

lol.

I would imagine he meant he wanted a thread locked to all but him and shogun. Of course we would never lock the whole forum.

Bryan
11-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Let's keep it civil everyone.


I think the idea of the closed forum is actually a new closed sub-forum - that could work fine with everything else going on as normal.

Guitarzan
11-02-2007, 11:58 AM
Huckabee is nothing more than the media and GOP's newest darling. Why?

Because Ron Paul is getting far more attention than they feel comfortable with. It's the GOP's way of saying, "it's gonna be alright you disenfranchised Republican voters...we understand we don't have a solid top tier candidate, and you're frustrated about that...take a look at Huckabee, he should be your alternative, pay no attention to Ron Paul. ;)



And sadly, some will listen.