Penn Jillette on Glenn Beck tomorrow.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Penn Jillette will be on Glenn Beck's TV show for the whole hour tomorrow. This should be pretty good. Penn does not suffer fools lightly.

[Syren123]

And he fancies himself a Libertarian, although I've heard some pretty socialist positions come out on that show BULLSHIT.

[porcupine]

Penn is AWESOME!! This is a show not to be missed.

Btw, Syren123, Penn is a libertarian. I can't think of any socialist positions you could possibly be talking about from "Penn and Teller: BULLSHIT." The only thing I can remember is on the gun control one, he proposed a "thought experiment" where the government bought every woman a pink gun and then QUICKLY added that it was only a thought experiment because he doesn't support "the government spending money." I believe he also is a senior fellow at the Cato institute.

[tsopranos]

Penn is AWESOME!! This is a show not to be missed.

Btw, Syren123, Penn is a libertarian. I can't think of any socialist positions you could possibly be talking about from "Penn and Teller: BULLSHIT." The only thing I can remember is on the gun control one, he proposed a "thought experiment" where the government bought every woman a pink gun and then QUICKLY added that it was only a thought experiment because he doesn't support "the government spending money." I believe he also is a senior fellow at the Cato institute.

Hopefully he's not a sellout like Cato and throws RP's name out there a bit.

[Syren123]

Penn is AWESOME!! This is a show not to be missed.

Btw, Syren123, Penn is a libertarian. I can't think of any socialist positions you could possibly be talking about from "Penn and Teller: BULLSHIT." The only thing I can remember is on the gun control one, he proposed a "thought experiment" where the government bought every woman a pink gun and then QUICKLY added that it was only a thought experiment because he doesn't support "the government spending money." I believe he also is a senior fellow at the Cato institute.

The illegal immigration one. He asserted that people who don't support amnesty are...racist? Xenophobes? Maybe both. Can't remember exactly which except that I was really cheesed off and switched the channel at that point.

[RP4ME]

Has he endorse Paul yet ??I know he attacked Luntz but do we have aPaul endorsemnet yet?

[LibertyOfOne]

And he fancies himself a Libertarian, although I've heard some pretty socialist positions come out on that show BULLSHIT.

Like?

[LibertyOfOne]

The illegal immigration one. He asserted that people who don't support amnesty are...racist? Xenophobes? Maybe both. Can't remember exactly which except that I was really cheesed off and switched the channel at that point.

Being pro unrestrictive borders is Libertarian. The argument is that government has no right to hinder ones ability to freely travel.

[Syren123]

Being pro unrestrictive borders is Libertarian. The argument is that government has no right to hinder ones ability to freely travel.

That wasn't what the bit was about. It was about xenophobia, not free movement of people.

[RonPaulCentral]

Has he endorse Paul yet ??I know he attacked Luntz but do we have aPaul endorsemnet yet?

I don't think so -- but based on what he said to me when I was out in Vegas in September I could very easily see it happening. :D

[Trassin]

The illegal immigration one. He asserted that people who don't support amnesty are...racist? Xenophobes? Maybe both. Can't remember exactly which except that I was really cheesed off and switched the channel at that point.

Ummm... Libertarians are traditionally for open boarders.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

The illegal immigration one. He asserted that people who don't support amnesty are...racist? Xenophobes? Maybe both. Can't remember exactly which except that I was really cheesed off and switched the channel at that point.

true libertarianism = open borders. I don't think "amnesty" should exist because I don't believe in government "birth certificate," "driver's license/id," "passport," etc I think that a free market and a people that have the right to carry around guns will be able to look out for themselves and their own interests more efficiently than government could, however, we still do need police in order to protect individual liberty, and of course we need a voluntary military to defend the nation. I do understand Ron Paul's position, I believe that America is creating its own burden when you have a federal government that mandates welfare for everyone, especially illegals.

not everything is black/white, but here are the traditional differences on the border issue:

liberals: open borders, entitlements

libertarians: open borders, no entitlements

conservatives: managed borders

Doesn't mean there will be no one on the borders, I just think that the economic suffering is not due to the absence of a wall, I think it has to do with bad economic policy. Did we have millions of Mexicans migrating here in the 19th century? We didn't have closed borders, so why all of a sudden open borders is a liability? Mexico couldn't have snuck in cannons to undermine the USA? An open border does not necessarily mean the nation in unsecure. When you enter the USA, are you entering the USA, or are you entering a particular state? So maybe we should leave it to the border states to come up with their own policies? I don't see any "federal zone" on the border

I understand Ron Paul's stance, I think that he believes in relaxed border policy at heart, he just understands the economic hardship that we're creating for ourselves at the moment, so we need to fix that before we can deal with the border issue. However, I would leave it to the states and the owners of property on the borders

[Smiley Gladhands]

I used to be for open borders, but I think closing the borders is a good compromise in fighting the alleged 'war on terror'. The way I see it, thinking you can make yourself safer by invading sovereign countries and rebuilding them from the ground-up is ludicrous while millions of people can flow fairly freely across our own borders.

If we're so focused on protecting ourselves that we'll invade countries which pose no threat to us and spend trillions rebuilding (not to mention soldiers' lives lost), then the least the gov't can do is protect us from these alleged threats by locking down their own freaking borders.

Of course, taking away the incentives helps curb the flow of most illegals, but 'terrrist illegals' will still have the incentive as long as we're invading their countries. It's just stupid to go around invading countries under the pretext of protecting the country while our borders are wide open.

That may make me a bad libertarian, but the way I see it one of government's few functions is to protect us, and if they're gonna claim dirty bombs and dirty terrists can come over at any time they better be watching the borders.