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AGRP
07-29-2011, 06:47 PM
Why?

This would make a good case study.

http://www.seriouseats.com/images/mexicancokeatcostco.jpg

acptulsa
07-29-2011, 06:48 PM
They don't subsidize corn, put Monsanto execs in charge of the USDA, or boycott Cuba. We do all of these things.

DamianTV
07-29-2011, 06:50 PM
Also, HFCS dont Satiate the bodies cravings for Sugar. Especially the Diet Drinks dont Satiate at all. The end result is we Consume more than we need to because we dont feel satisfied with what we have just taken in. Our bodies will take quite a while to evolve to the point where they can recognize the synthetic bullshit as "forms of sugar".

AGRP
07-29-2011, 06:52 PM
This makes me mad.

dannno
07-29-2011, 07:02 PM
Isn't there some limitation our government puts on the importation of cane sugar as well as the corn subsidy, which both work to make sugar a no-go when it comes to mass soda production in the US?

DamianTV
07-29-2011, 07:03 PM
Those Limitations are only considered by those who Bankroll the Government. Thus, if they make more money, like by getting us to consume more, then they Lobby more. Downward Spiral.

RileyE104
07-29-2011, 07:05 PM
IDK, that's why I always stock up on 1.5L bottles of Jarritos soda whenever I go to WalMart... They only cost $1.17 over here, which I feel is a steal.

MelissaWV
07-29-2011, 07:07 PM
The local grocery store here carries "throwbacks" of all Pepsi products, and carries Coke with sugar in it most of the year. The more expensive market across the street carries sugared drinks ... even in their original glass bottles if you want them. It's great :)

ctb619
07-29-2011, 07:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM

madengr
07-29-2011, 07:15 PM
The answer you seek is in Ron Paul's next to last book.

Note that Jones Soda is HQ in WA state but manufactured just across the border. I'm sure this has something to do with sugar prices?

libertybrewcity
07-29-2011, 07:23 PM
corn syrup is much much cheaper compared to cane sugar.

realtonygoodwin
07-29-2011, 07:23 PM
$$$
HFCS is cheaper for soda makers.

BlackTerrel
07-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Are Mexicans healthier than Americans?

SWATH
07-29-2011, 10:04 PM
Tarrifs on imported sugar, subsidies on domestic corn.

headhawg7
07-29-2011, 10:07 PM
The local grocery store here carries "throwbacks" of all Pepsi products, and carries Coke with sugar in it most of the year. The more expensive market across the street carries sugared drinks ... even in their original glass bottles if you want them. It's great :)

I was going to post the same thing. I have been purchasing them for about a year. Started at Sam's club then wal mart and now my local smaller grocer carries them. Still don't taste as good as they did when they were in the bottles though.

Justinjj1
07-29-2011, 10:41 PM
We get the Mexican Cokes and Pepsis in the glass bottles here. I can barely drink a whole 12 oz drink because they are so sweet and I can feel the sugar rotting my teeth. I know the HFCS versions are not much better for you, but I actually prefer them to the ultra sweet sugar drinks.

My wife picked up some throwback Mountain Dew the other day, made with real cane sugar, and it was so sweet that is was undrinkable. Bleh.

AZKing
07-29-2011, 11:02 PM
Are Mexicans healthier than Americans?

I guess that depends on your measure of 'health'. IIRC, they are second in the rate of obesity, with the US being #1.

AGRP
07-29-2011, 11:02 PM
I guess that depends on your measure of 'health'. IIRC, they are second in the rate of obesity, with the US being #1.

I think Australia is #1.

Brian4Liberty
07-29-2011, 11:06 PM
Tarrifs on imported sugar, subsidies on domestic corn.

Yep. Corporatism. Welfare for the corn lobby.

AZKing
07-29-2011, 11:08 PM
I think Australia is #1.

Are you implying that the USA is not #1?

USA! USA! USA!

eduardo89
07-29-2011, 11:16 PM
I have a can of coke in my hand and it's not made with cane sugar. I'm in Mexico.

truthdivides
07-29-2011, 11:17 PM
My wife picked up some throwback Mountain Dew the other day, made with real cane sugar, and it was so sweet that is was undrinkable. Bleh.

I think the throwback Dew is much more drinkable than the HFCS version. It is so light compared to the regular stuff.

Carehn
07-29-2011, 11:25 PM
They have been cutting our sugar like they have been cutting our coke. Mostly with baby powder but sometimes comex.

They cut our gas with corn
They cut our dog food with corn
They cut our pops with corn
They cut our BEER with corn
They cut our pasta with corn
They cut our vitamins with corn
They cut our nuts with corn (cornnuts)

One time an old Basque guy told me corn was for pigs.

They have been cutting our gas like they have been cutting our cocaine! It stinks! If i wanted my damn car to run off of corn I would be riding a goat!

Sunabitch!

http://clatl.com/images/blogimages/2010/07/29/1280458394-corn.jpg

KingRobbStark
07-30-2011, 12:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM

What an amazing store!!

AFPVet
07-30-2011, 12:15 AM
I really wouldn't have a problem with HFCS if it weren't for the fact that 50% of the products contain mercury as a result of the processing (mainstream news).

MoneyInTheBank
07-30-2011, 12:28 AM
http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/making-americans-sick-10-07-21.html


Making Americans Sick

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius promised, "The U.S. government plans to increase funding to battle obesity and views healthcare reform as an opportunity to encourage better eating habits." Rather than spending money and attacking the food industry, the secretary and others concerned with the health of Americans ought to go after the U.S. Congress. Let's look at it.

According to a study by researchers at the University of California, Davis, published in the Journal of Clinical Investigation (May 2009), widespread use of fructose may be directly responsible for some of the ongoing increase in rates of childhood diabetes and obesity. Consuming fructose-sweetened, not glucose-sweetened, beverages increases abdominal fat and decreases insulin sensitivity in overweight/obese people. The participants in the study who consumed fructose-sweetened food showed an increase of fat cells around major organs including their hearts and livers, and also underwent metabolic changes that are precursors to heart disease and diabetes.

Other studies have linked diets rich in high-fructose corn syrup to elevated risks of high triglycerides (a type of blood fat), fat buildup in the liver and insulin resistance, notes Dr. Gerald Shulman and his colleagues at Yale University School of Medicine.

"This is the first evidence we have that fructose increases diabetes and heart disease independently from causing simple weight gain," said Kimber Stanhope, a molecular biologist who led the UC Davis study, adding, "We didn't see any of these changes in the people eating glucose."

You say, "Williams, glucose, fructose -- what's the fuss?" Sucrose is the sugar sold in 5- or 10-pound bags at your supermarket that Americans have used as a sweetener throughout most of our history. Fructose is a sweetener that has more recently come into heavy use by beverage manufacturers and food processors. You ask, "How come all the fructose use now?"

Enter the U.S.
Congress. The Fanjul family of Palm Beach, Fla., a politically connected family, has given more than $1.8 million to both Democratic and Republican parties over the years. They and others in the sugar industry give millions to congressmen to keep high tariffs on foreign sugar so the U.S. sugar industry can charge us higher prices. According to one study, the Fanjul family alone earns about $65 million a year from congressional protectionism.

Chairman Emeritus of Archer Daniels Midland Company, Dwayne Andreas, has given politicians millions of dollars to help him enrich ADM at our expense. For that money, congressmen vote to restrict sugar imports that in turn drive up sugar prices. Higher sugar prices benefit ADM, who produces corn syrup (fructose), which is a sugar substitute. When sugar prices are high, sugar users (soda, candy and food processors) turn to corn syrup as a cheaper substitute sweetener. Early on, some sugar-using companies found out they could import products like ice tea, distill out its sugar content and still beat the high prices caused by Congress' protectionist sugar policy, but to do so was eventually made illegal.

Congress' sugar policy not only reduces the health of American people, it reduces American jobs as well. Chicago used to be America's candy manufacturing capitol. In 1970, employment by Chicago's candy manufacturers totaled 15,000 and now it's 8,000 and falling. Brach's used to employ about 2,300 people; now most of its jobs are in Mexico. Ferrara Pan Candy has also moved much of its production to Mexico. Yes, wages are lower in Mexico, but wages aren't the only factor in candy manufacturers' flight from America. Sugar is a major cost and in Mexico, they pay one-third to one-half what they pay in the U.S. Life Savers, which for 90 years was manufactured in America, has moved to Canada, where wages are comparable to ours, but their yearly sugar cost is $10 million less.

Working in the favor of Congress with these and other life-threatening and health-reducing schemes is American unawareness and the fact that most often, their victims are invisible.

libertyjam
07-30-2011, 05:26 AM
Isn't there some limitation our government puts on the importation of cane sugar as well as the corn subsidy, which both work to make sugar a no-go when it comes to mass soda production in the US?

There is price fixing mandated by law to protect the US cane growers like there is for no other area of the market that I know of, not even corn. Basically puts the per lb price of cane sugar about double what it is on the world market. Would be excellent to argue the pros and cons of this by those arguing over tariffs as this is the only true protectionist tariff I know of in the US today.

Working Poor
07-30-2011, 07:15 AM
Are Mexicans healthier than Americans?


Probably they are but also Mexicans are much more picky about their foods. If you ever go into a Mexican grocery store you will find that they have much more fresh foods than American grocery stores and they would never eat some of the prepackaged garbage that Americans eat.
When I want good produce and herbs I go Mexican.

AGRP
07-30-2011, 12:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM

The guy seriously sounds like he would be a big Ron Paul fan! :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Wn2yfYpx8&NR=1

Paul-Nese 2012!

nbhadja
07-30-2011, 12:15 PM
Probably they are but also Mexicans are much more picky about their foods. If you ever go into a Mexican grocery store you will find that they have much more fresh foods than American grocery stores and they would never eat some of the prepackaged garbage that Americans eat.
When I want good produce and herbs I go Mexican.

Most countries on earth have much healthier food than America. America has by far the worst food system full of poison chemicals. Many countries do not even put fluoride in their water.

EvilEngineer
07-30-2011, 08:57 PM
HFCS is used in the US because our cost of sugar is around 4 times the world price.

US vs World Sugar Prices (cents per pound)[1]

Year 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004
US 53.50 51.80 51.60 43.20 42.60
World 17.92 12.87 18.16 14.81 11.80


[1]
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/Sugar/data.htm

Each 1 cent increase in the price of sugar adds between 250 and $300 million to consumers' food bills.

Also you will find a direct correlation between the obesity rate with the replacement of sugar with HFCS in US consumer foods. Starting in 1984, you'll see the moment Coke and Pepsi stopped using sugar, the obesity trend in America started skyrocketing.

EvilEngineer
07-30-2011, 09:11 PM
http://www.ethicurean.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/calories-from-sweeteners.jpg

AGRP
07-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Most countries on earth have much healthier food than America. America has by far the worst food system full of poison chemicals. Many countries do not even put fluoride in their water.

America has great food. Among the best, if not the best.

Government/Monsanto is stopping its distribution.

kah13176
07-30-2011, 09:21 PM
As others have said, there's a huge tarrif on imported sugar. Because we don't grow much domestic cane, supply is pathetic.

Ron Paul talks about this issue in Revolution: A Manifesto.

ghengis86
07-30-2011, 09:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM

Never knew that about the passover Coke. Look for the yellow top!

oyarde
07-31-2011, 12:24 PM
That stuff is good , they sell it at the local Mexican grocery ice cold out of a freezer . Pretty tasty on a hot day after some mowing .

Kregisen
07-31-2011, 01:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM

Damn it I was in LA just last week!!!! :(