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Thom1776
11-01-2007, 09:49 AM
If the main concern of the campaign is that the $46,000 necessary to pay for the original venue would be better spent in key primary states; then I suggest that they turn this perceived negative into a whopping positive.

The momentum and anticipation that has been building for this event has taken on a life of its own. To try to pull the plug on it now, even if they only want to move it, may very well be one of the biggest political campaign blunders we may ever see. This has promised to be the single largest presidential campaign event that many of us will probably ever see in our lives. A gathering for Liberty for all Americans at the very birthplace of American Liberty, attended by thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, to rally around the Champion of the Constitution, our Champion, is an event of historical proportions.

We are history in the making. This is not about just Philadelphia. It is about America. It is for America, and we can share this with all of America.

Campaign wants something for the key primary states? Well, I donít know what more they could be looking for than to be able to show all of America that Ron Paulís message of Liberty can be matched by no other candidate.

I think that they can get more than one video camera to record this event and then turn it into thirty second, even sixty second ads for their precious key primary states. They donít have to stand by as the mainstream media tries to spin the event with clever camera angles to portray only a handful of people attending.

Show New Hampshire! Show Iowa! Show South Carolina! Show America that this is the Second American Revolution! Show America that We the People are still relevant and that Liberty is still an option! Show America that we are an army of real people standing up, standing together and standing strong for the Freedom and Prosperity that is our heritage!

We are dropping this into their laps! If campaign thinks this is not worth $46,000, after the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars that have come out of the pockets of each and every one of us, in addition to the countless man-hours expended, even including anyone who has so little as spoken the name ďRon PaulĒ to another person, while conducting our grassroots efforts, then why are we even bothering?

Donít mess this up, campaign. Donít pull a Howard Dean.

BLS
11-01-2007, 09:50 AM
Very nice.

I agree completely BTW.

If the campaign needs the money, JUST ASK...we'll come up with it.

Green Mountain Boy
11-01-2007, 09:51 AM
It is not about the money.

We just have to wait and see what the campaign says.

BLS
11-01-2007, 09:53 AM
It is not about the money.

We just have to wait and see what the campaign says.


What's it about then? That's all I've been hearing.
Not suggesting you're wrong in any way. Only that it's the only reason I've heard. Is it a security issue?

Phenom24
11-01-2007, 09:54 AM
How many people from IA and or NH will be there?

Does it matter that people are flying in from Alaska, people are DRIVING from parts unknown around the US, to have the ultimate meetup group/RonPaulapalooza??

People spending over $3 a gallon in gas to drive, people donating $100 on the 5th - to pass up an opportunity to be in THE BIRTHPLACE OF IT ALL while it's not yet FREEZING outside...

I'm with the OP on this one. IT'S GOING TO BE THE GRANDDADDY of them ALL.

(except for Inaugration Day, that is)

;)

FrankRep
11-01-2007, 10:01 AM
It is not about the money.

I bet it is.

pcosmar
11-01-2007, 10:01 AM
What's it about then? That's all I've been hearing.
Not suggesting you're wrong in any way. Only that it's the only reason I've heard. Is it a security issue?

I have heard this brought up by a few people.
If there is some nebulous "security threat" just ask for supporters to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, and come armed.

Green Mountain Boy
11-01-2007, 10:03 AM
What's it about then? That's all I've been hearing.
Not suggesting you're wrong in any way. Only that it's the only reason I've heard. Is it a security issue?

Walt called the campaign - they said it was not about the money but it involved some complex issues.

BizmanUSA
11-01-2007, 10:06 AM
If the main concern of the campaign is that the $46,000 necessary to pay for the original venue would be better spent in key primary states; then I suggest that they turn this perceived negative into a whopping positive.

The momentum and anticipation that has been building for this event has taken on a life of its own. To try to pull the plug on it now, even if they only want to move it, may very well be one of the biggest political campaign blunders we may ever see. This has promised to be the single largest presidential campaign event that many of us will probably ever see in our lives. A gathering for Liberty for all Americans at the very birthplace of American Liberty, attended by thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, to rally around the Champion of the Constitution, our Champion, is an event of historical proportions.

We are history in the making. This is not about just Philadelphia. It is about America. It is for America, and we can share this with all of America.

Campaign wants something for the key primary states? Well, I donít know what more they could be looking for than to be able to show all of America that Ron Paulís message of Liberty can be matched by no other candidate.

I think that they can get more than one video camera to record this event and then turn it into thirty second, even sixty second ads for their precious key primary states. They donít have to stand by as the mainstream media tries to spin the event with clever camera angles to portray only a handful of people attending.

Show New Hampshire! Show Iowa! Show South Carolina! Show America that this is the Second American Revolution! Show America that We the People are still relevant and that Liberty is still an option! Show America that we are an army of real people standing up, standing together and standing strong for the Freedom and Prosperity that is our heritage!

We are dropping this into their laps! If campaign thinks this is not worth $46,000, after the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars that have come out of the pockets of each and every one of us, in addition to the countless man-hours expended, even including anyone who has so little as spoken the name ďRon PaulĒ to another person, while conducting our grassroots efforts, then why are we even bothering?

Donít mess this up, campaign. Donít pull a Howard Dean.

Could not have been said any better - Thank You!

Phenom24
11-01-2007, 10:06 AM
Methinks nixing it would be a REALLY fast way to tick off a WHOLE lot of people.

KewlRonduderules
11-01-2007, 10:19 AM
Let's wait and see... we don't know.

I don't think it is security. I don't think it is money- they have plenty.

terlinguatx
11-01-2007, 11:24 AM
Here here! The media coverage we get from the rally alone witll be worth a million.

sedele
11-01-2007, 11:33 AM
This will not happen. The Rally will go on as planned.

Has everyone RSVP'd?

I think their just trying to motivate us with some reverse psycology.

austin356
11-01-2007, 11:36 AM
Why is it 46k?

Where did this charge come from?

terlinguatx
11-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Why is it 46k?

Where did this charge come from?

Probably expenses for renting and setting up a stage and soundsystem, paying the city for permits, cleanup, and police security, etc...

belian78
11-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Methinks nixing it would be a REALLY fast way to tick off a WHOLE lot of people.

i agree, this would be pretty much the death knoll of the campaign. think about the headlines on that one. "Ron Paul campaign wastes perfect opportunity" or "Ron Paul's Ace in the Hole has been Trumped by himself" man oh man, i dont want to think about what's going to happen if this is moved. :eek:

ItsTime
11-01-2007, 11:41 AM
venue is too small... that is my guess...

RonPaulStreetTeam
11-01-2007, 11:44 AM
where did this rumor come from?

if they pulled this I would assume they WANT to lose.
Which is always a possibility............

slantedview
11-01-2007, 11:48 AM
46k is pennies when considering how much time, effort and passion has been put into this rally. The value of all this FAR exceeds a mere 46k. It's ridiculous to think anyone from the campaign could not realize this.

UtahApocalypse
11-01-2007, 11:50 AM
venue is too small... that is my guess...

The Independence Mall is about twice the capacity of the other two choices.

MozoVote
11-01-2007, 11:50 AM
I have to agree with the meme that this decision isn't centering on the $46,000. There is some other issue in play.

If the $46k is really all this is about, I would have to wonder if the campaign is being pennywise and pound foolish.

KewlRonduderules
11-01-2007, 11:52 AM
The Independence Mall is about twice the capacity of the other two choices.

Independence Hall is not very big. It is not the size of a stadium or a regular park. It is just Independence Hall surrounded by Old architecture. I am not aware of any area around there where a lot of people can congregate in one place especially if it is over 10K people- that could be a problem.

Sematary
11-01-2007, 12:02 PM
Independence Hall is not very big. It is not the size of a stadium or a regular park. It is just Independence Hall surrounded by Old architecture. I am not aware of any area around there where a lot of people can congregate in one place especially if it is over 10K people- that could be a problem.

We would have been able to fit 6000 supporters into Independence mall.

And that's not including overflow into the streets outside of the mall. In point of FACT, that was the original point for this location - to fill the mall, and the streets, etc...

UtahApocalypse
11-01-2007, 12:02 PM
Independence Hall is not very big. It is not the size of a stadium or a regular park. It is just Independence Hall surrounded by Old architecture. I am not aware of any area around there where a lot of people can congregate in one place especially if it is over 10K people- that could be a problem.

MALL not HALL

KewlRonduderules
11-01-2007, 12:06 PM
We would have been able to fit 6000 supporters into Independence mall.

And that's not including overflow into the streets outside of the mall. In point of FACT, that was the original point for this location - to fill the mall, and the streets, etc...


Doesn't City of Philadelphia and the National Park Service have fire safety standards for that amount of people?

rockwell
11-01-2007, 12:06 PM
http://www.kimberlyblessing.com/photos/d/706-2/IMG_0691.JPG

It can hold about 12-25K with room to spare.

rockwell
11-01-2007, 12:12 PM
http://www.nmajh.org/images/about_the_museum/map.jpg

I stand corrected, 25K

BizmanUSA
11-01-2007, 12:19 PM
http://www.kimberlyblessing.com/photos/d/706-2/IMG_0691.JPG

It can hold about 12-25K with room to spare.

The event site was to be 180 degree to the back of your photo on the Visitors Center side between Market and Arch streets with the stage closer to the Constitution Center building on Arch street side.

A good friend suggested that if we all got as many as we can (STRENGTH IN NUMBERS) to RSVP as was requested that HQ would chage their minds and reconsider

Its worth a try

I hope my post shows up!

BizmanUSA

Primbs
11-01-2007, 12:24 PM
Does somebody have a permit for the event?

MozoVote
11-01-2007, 12:24 PM
I wonder if there is some kind of permitting problem for a large crowd. This comes up every year at Burning Man. Local pols want assurances the people will be "properly managed".

Duckman
11-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Sematary said he got a permit months ago, which he gave to the campaign upon their request.

Perhaps the permit has been pulled? That's the only valid reason I can see for moving the venue.

terlinguatx
11-01-2007, 12:39 PM
It is not about the money.


"When someone says it's not about the money, it's about the money" - Will Rogers

I think the campaign just doesn't realize the massive amount of support this rally will have. Probably because not many people have signed up with their little rsvp link hidden on the side of the page. I haven't even signed up for the rsvp and I've been promoting it heavily. We should all go do that now.

slantedview
11-01-2007, 12:40 PM
Sematary said he got a permit months ago, which he gave to the campaign upon their request.

Perhaps the permit has been pulled? That's the only valid reason I can see for moving the venue.
Agreed, that is potentially the only valid excuse, but even that is pretty lousy since the campaign should feel obligated to do whatever it takes to get the permit back after how much work has went into the rally as planned.

Primbs
11-01-2007, 12:41 PM
We should all sign up as demonstration marshals or people who are in charge of security. Most groups have volunteers who are in charge of keeping things orderly.

rockwell
11-01-2007, 02:10 PM
http://www.gophila.com/Go/PressRoom/files/GayNewYears.jpg

If these guys can manage a permit, so can RP.

'Nuff said.