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Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 07:32 AM
Oh, no not another one of these threads....

While I am all for a fund raising drive of any kind and I hope makes a billion dollars every day, I have said from the beginning that I didn't think the 5th was a good idea. I was however, very thankful that the V for Vendetta references were removed from the thisnovember 5th site. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is Guy Fawkes Day.

Already the media has taken notice of the association and used it negatively against Paul. I realize that the 5th had already gained some momentum, when people started criticizing it here so it was too late to cancel. I am just saying think first next time.


From Time Magazine:
"And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive."
From: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-2,00.html

Like I said from the beginning, it is all about peoples perceptions. I bet this won't be the last article to use the 5th against Paul and his supporters....

and this spoof site did a story on it to. Now I realize that it is satire and the story is outright retarded, however, for some reason it gets sent out by google alerts as a Ron Paul news story. I am sure that all journalists that are against Paul, get google news alerts on him just like we do, and even though this is satire they are now aware of the V for Vendetta, Guy Fawkes association with the 5th.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i26404


Paul is getting more and more attention now, and this is just a lesson that we don't need to give the media any ammunition to use against him (and us). They are now using the 5th association with Fawkes and V for Vendetta to make him look like a fringe candidate with anarchist supporters like I told you that they would.....

I'm not saying live in fear of the media, just don't give them any ammunition.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 07:33 AM
Translation: Ron Paul has a diverse movement. MOVING ON!

literatim
11-01-2007, 07:34 AM
Guy Fawkes Night celebrates the foiling of the Gunpowder Plot.

micahnelson
11-01-2007, 07:35 AM
Guy Fawkes Night celebrates the foiling of the Gunpowder Plot.

Exactly, we are foiling the Plot to destroy our country. What do they want?

BLS
11-01-2007, 07:35 AM
Oh, no not another one of these threads....

While I am all for a fund raising drive of any kind and I hope makes a billion dollars every day, I have said from the beginning that I didn't think the 5th was a good idea. I was however, very thankful that the V for Vendetta references were removed from the thisnovember 5th site. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is Guy Fawkes Day.

Already the media has taken notice of the association and used it negatively against Paul. I realize that the 5th had already gained some momentum, when people started criticizing it here so it was too late to cancel. I am just saying think first next time.


From Time Magazine:
"And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive."
From: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-2,00.html

Like I said from the beginning, it is all about peoples perceptions. I bet this won't be the last article to use the 5th against Paul and his supporters....

and this spoof site did a story on it to. Now I realize that it is satire and the story is outright retarded, however, for some reason it gets sent out by google alerts as a Ron Paul news story. I am sure that all journalists that are against Paul, get google news alerts on him just like we do, and even though this is satire they are now aware of the V for Vendetta, Guy Fawkes association with the 5th.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i26404


Paul is getting more and more attention now, and this is just a lesson that we don't need to give the media any ammunition to use against him (and us). They are now using the 5th association with Fawkes and V for Vendetta to make him look like a fringe candidate with anarchist supporters like I told you that they would.....

I'm not saying live in fear of the media, just don't give them any ammunition.


Who gives a fuck what they think??

I'm on board. And if you're not, then get outta the way.

jaumen
11-01-2007, 07:39 AM
negative articles would exist with or without the 5th of november. this is a fact.

FrankRep
11-01-2007, 07:39 AM
Oh, no not another one of these threads....

While I am all for a fund raising drive of any kind and I hope makes a billion dollars every day, I have said from the beginning that I didn't think the 5th was a good idea. I was however, very thankful that the V for Vendetta references were removed from the thisnovember 5th site. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is Guy Fawkes Day.

Already the media has taken notice of the association and used it negatively against Paul. I realize that the 5th had already gained some momentum, when people started criticizing it here so it was too late to cancel. I am just saying think first next time.


From Time Magazine:
"And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive."
From: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-2,00.html

Like I said from the beginning, it is all about peoples perceptions. I bet this won't be the last article to use the 5th against Paul and his supporters....

and this spoof site did a story on it to. Now I realize that it is satire and the story is outright retarded, however, for some reason it gets sent out by google alerts as a Ron Paul news story. I am sure that all journalists that are against Paul, get google news alerts on him just like we do, and even though this is satire they are now aware of the V for Vendetta, Guy Fawkes association with the 5th.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i26404


Paul is getting more and more attention now, and this is just a lesson that we don't need to give the media any ammunition to use against him (and us). They are now using the 5th association with Fawkes and V for Vendetta to make him look like a fringe candidate with anarchist supporters like I told you that they would.....

I'm not saying live in fear of the media, just don't give them any ammunition.


Let the media try their hardest to smear us. The fact were involved in a campaign to get someone elected shows that we are legally working within the system to make a change.

Blowback to the Media - The media will only hurt themselves.

James R
11-01-2007, 07:40 AM
Exactly, we are foiling the Plot to destroy our country. What do they want?

Very good point. The Nov 5 celebration is the celebration of the FOILING of the plot. Not a celebration of the plot itself.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 07:41 AM
Very good point. The Nov 5 celebration is the celebration of the FOILING of the plot. Not a celebration of the plot itself.

Maybe. But Guy Fawkes wins polls for one of the best Britons of all time. Which is pretty funny, frankly.

FrankRep
11-01-2007, 07:42 AM
Let the media try their hardest to smear us. The fact were involved in a campaign to get someone elected shows that we are legally working within the system to make a change.

Blowback to the Media - The media will only hurt themselves.

.

reduen
11-01-2007, 07:45 AM
There is nothing we can do about this! Clearly the some of the main stream media has been out to make Ron Paul look bad from the start. Whatever we do or don't do is not going to change that fact.

They will take whatever they can and twist it to accomplish their mission and if we do not give them something to twist, they will make stuff up. That is just the nature of the beast..

Donate lots of cash on the 5th and forget about jerks like this! (Jerks being the media and not the poster..)

dircha
11-01-2007, 07:45 AM
Oh no! A grassroots movement entirely independent of the official campaign with a youthful, non-mainstream fundraising style supports our candidate!

Well folks, it was a good run, but I guess it's time to pack up our things and head home. If only it weren't for those darned completely independent grassroots supporters with no ties to the official campaign whatsoever!

...oh, wait! You mean that white supremacists, 9/11 truthers, anti-semites, and tax evaders support Ron Paul too?! What is it with these completely independent grassroots supporters with no ties to the official campaign whatsoever!

There should be a law against people who hold views that I disagree with and personally find socially inconvenient!

MsDoodahs
11-01-2007, 07:47 AM
:confused:I'm an anarchist.

Why is it bad to mention that people like me support Dr. Paul?

kylejack
11-01-2007, 07:47 AM
Dear Time,
THANKS FOR HELPING US TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NOVEMBER 5TH DONATION SURGE.

Regards,
kylejack

rs3515
11-01-2007, 07:47 AM
Let the media try their hardest to smear us. The fact were involved in a campaign to get someone elected shows that we are legally working within the system to make a change.

Blowback to the Media - The media will only hurt themselves.

.

Yep, and that attitude will get you about 300,000 votes in a general election and a cup of coffee.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 07:49 AM
Just leave it alone, people. It's ok. Just keep focusing on spreading the word about Dr. Paul and his stances on the issues. Don't let them get you sidetracked!!

November 5th will come and it will be great.

jaumen
11-01-2007, 07:52 AM
:confused:I'm an anarchist.

Why is it bad to mention that people like me support Dr. Paul?

It's not, but the average person doesn't understand the anarchist, and associates it with something bad. Heck, the average person associates the word "Libertarian" with somebody who's kind of loony politically. It just has to do with what people have been told, and that has shaped their beliefs a certain way.

I don't see what Guy Fawkes has to do with anarchy though.. from the information i have read about him.... it doesn't sound like he was an anarchist to me?

ladyliberty
11-01-2007, 07:52 AM
Expect more media negativity of this sort. If you feel discouraged and no longer want to donate $100 on Novemeber 5th - they have WON!

SO donate your $100 on Nov 6th or 7th, or even on the 11th?

I PROMISED $100 on the 5th, and I will keep my promise and let the media weep and gnash their teeth about it if they will.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 07:53 AM
Guy Fawkes Night celebrates the foiling of the Gunpowder Plot.

People on here are are on Guy Fawkes' side. Read the original posts in which this topic was debated....

jaumen
11-01-2007, 08:01 AM
People on here are are on Guy Fawkes' side. Read the original posts in which this topic was debated....

As far as I could tell when the idea initially came up, it had little to do with Guy Fawkes, and a lot to do with V for Vendetta, but, whatever.

framecut
11-01-2007, 08:02 AM
People on here are are on Guy Fawkes' side. Read the original posts in which this topic was debated....

Wasn't that piece of crap film "V for Vendetta" about following through on Fawkes plan to blow up Parliament (The film of course pretentiously ends with Parliament getting blown to pieces).

Instead of all this "5th November" crap, why can't something less kookish be considered like:

TUESDAY IS RON PAUL DAY!

Or

RON PAUL IS PEOPLE!!!!!!

Personally, I was totally turned off buy the 5th November fundraiser. I just don't like the association of a piece of shit film with Dr. Paul's presidency. Even if that was the unintended consequence.

dircha
11-01-2007, 08:02 AM
People on here are are on Guy Fawkes' side. Read the original posts in which this topic was debated....

FACT: There are people who support Ron Paul who self-identify as anarchists.

Now, calm down, don't mess yourself.

There are people who supported George Bush who self-identify as theocrats.

There are people who support Hillary Clinton who self-identify as socialists.

You can not control what other people do. These people are completely independent of the official campaign with no ties to it whatsoever.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 08:04 AM
I did not like this V for Vendetta thing either and voiced my opinion. but the reality is that it is way too late to change it now.

It's going to happen, so we might as well all stand together on this.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:07 AM
I know that there are people who support Paul that identify themselves as anarchists. I don't have a problem with that.

The thing is we are trying to get the republican nomination for Paul. Republicans aren't too fond of anarchists. We aren't trying to get Paul the anarchist nomination for president. The anarchists need to realize that their views aren't exactly mainstream and giving the media the ability to put anarchist supporters and a presidential candidate in the same article is not a good thing.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:08 AM
Ridiculous,
Its 4 days away. It has 14,500 people. It can't be stopped. So let go of the god-damned wheel and hope for the best. There's nothing more you can do.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:09 AM
I know that there are people who support Paul that identify themselves as anarchists. I don't have a problem with that.

The thing is we are trying to get the republican nomination for Paul. Republicans aren't too fond of anarchists. We aren't trying to get Paul the anarchist nomination for president. The anarchists need to realize that their views aren't exactly mainstream and giving the media the ability to put anarchist supporters and a presidential candidate in the same article is not a good thing.
Contact Ron Paul and tell him to stop mentioning in his speeches: "And we even have some anarchists in the movement!"

Mortikhi
11-01-2007, 08:12 AM
Give him a jingle
http://www.google.com/search?q=joel+stein+los+angeles+CA&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=tMv&pb=r&sa=X&oi=rwp&ct=title

deborak
11-01-2007, 08:14 AM
Yawn. I'm donating $100 on 11/5. I don't give a fig what anyone thinks about my motives. That includes the MSM, people who hate "V", and any other random element that stands in the way of raising as much cash as possible for our candidate.

paulitics
11-01-2007, 08:15 AM
FACT: There are people who support Ron Paul who self-identify as anarchists.

Now, calm down, don't mess yourself.

There are people who supported George Bush who self-identify as theocrats.

There are people who support Hillary Clinton who self-identify as socialists.

You can not control what other people do. These people are completely independent of the official campaign with no ties to it whatsoever.

I agree with you to a point. The problem lies in that this is a fundraiser where Dr. Paul will accept funds. It becomes his endorsement when he accepts those funds. Remember, the Rudy 9.11 debacle fundraiser? Well, it was not Rudy's idea, but due to negative press he had to give those funds back. Now it is not a problem if there are thousands of anarchists, or 911 truthers who individually donate to the campaign, because it was not a group or coordiante effort. Imagine a 911 truth drive, or a white supremicist day?

When the campaign may make headlines for raising 3 million in one day, the media will ask "what was so special about the 5th of november?" Unfortunately they are the ones with the airwaves, not us. Now it may or may not go as far as scum like Bill O'reiily telling the campaign to send the money back.

Whats done is done, however, but we should not act surprised when the negative press occurs. Im not saying that we should change it now, too much momentum, and too late.

Duckman
11-01-2007, 08:16 AM
Ridiculous,

I appreciate your concern, but I don't think it helps to create another thread on this topic. This is a very divisive topic which has caused some supporters to leave the forums. And, like others have pointed out here, this CANNOT be stopped. It's going to happen. All the concerns have already been aired. If the front page of every newspaper in the country was to say in blaring letters that the Ron Paul movement is full of violent anarchists and have pictures full of 'V' imagery, it wouldn't stop the hardcore Nov 5 supporters.

I think most people know that I am also opposed to Nov 5. I actually think it could be this campaign's "Dean Scream," but I also realize that IT CANNOT BE STOPPED. We just need to get past this and stop talking about this until it is over.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:17 AM
I agree with you to a point. The problem lies in that this is a fundraiser where Dr. Paul will accept funds. It becomes his endorsement when he accepts those funds. Remember, the Rudy 9.11 debacle fundraiser? Well, it was not Rudy's idea, but due to negative press he had to give those funds back. Now it is not a problem if there are thousands of anarchists, or 911 truthers who individually donate to the campaign, because it was not a group or coordiante effort. Imagine a 911 truth drive, or a white supremicist day?

When the campaign may make headlines for raising 3 million in one day, the media will ask "what was so special about the 5th of november?" Unfortunately they are the ones with the airwaves, not us. Now it may or may not go as far as scum like Bill O'reiily telling the campaign to send the money back.

Whats done is done, however, but we should not act surprised when the negative press occurs. Im not saying that we should change it now, too much momentum, and too late.

Exactly.

And all this negative press that will most likely happen after the 5th could have been avoided if people just listened from the beginning.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:18 AM
Exactly.

And all this negative press that will most likely happen after the 5th could have been avoided if people just listened from the beginning.
So this is like your lecture or something? You realize the futility of this thread and just want to shit up the forums? What?

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 08:20 AM
It's done. Let's move on.

dsentell
11-01-2007, 08:21 AM
Ok! I have pledged $100 for the 5th . . . .

But now . . .

I have $160 in my Paypal account and the campaign is going to get it all!!

Take that, MSM!

synthetic
11-01-2007, 08:22 AM
The more media exposure about the 5th the better. People who believe the negative smears about Paul and the fundraiser were never going to donate that day to begin with. What these articles can do is spread the word to other supporters.

lapi7
11-01-2007, 08:23 AM
Oh, no not another one of these threads....

While I am all for a fund raising drive of any kind and I hope makes a billion dollars every day, I have said from the beginning that I didn't think the 5th was a good idea. I was however, very thankful that the V for Vendetta references were removed from the thisnovember 5th site. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is Guy Fawkes Day.

Already the media has taken notice of the association and used it negatively against Paul. I realize that the 5th had already gained some momentum, when people started criticizing it here so it was too late to cancel. I am just saying think first next time.


From Time Magazine:
"And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive."
From: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-2,00.html

Like I said from the beginning, it is all about peoples perceptions. I bet this won't be the last article to use the 5th against Paul and his supporters....

and this spoof site did a story on it to. Now I realize that it is satire and the story is outright retarded, however, for some reason it gets sent out by google alerts as a Ron Paul news story. I am sure that all journalists that are against Paul, get google news alerts on him just like we do, and even though this is satire they are now aware of the V for Vendetta, Guy Fawkes association with the 5th.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i26404


Paul is getting more and more attention now, and this is just a lesson that we don't need to give the media any ammunition to use against him (and us). They are now using the 5th association with Fawkes and V for Vendetta to make him look like a fringe candidate with anarchist supporters like I told you that they would.....

I'm not saying live in fear of the media, just don't give them any ammunition.

Oh Please!!!!!!!
If Ron Paul held the money bomb day on April 32, the MSM would invent a twisted and convolouted REASON that would attempt to smear Dr. Paul, his supporters and the Revolution. If it was done on Arbor Day or Earth Day they would call us all wacky Environmentalists!!! The date is irrelavant...their motive is not!

Kregener
11-01-2007, 08:26 AM
We are doomed....DOOMED I tell ya!

IEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

:rolleyes:

Duckman
11-01-2007, 08:27 AM
Oh Please!!!!!!!
If Ron Paul held the money bomb day on April 32, the MSM would invent a twisted and convolouted REASON that would attempt to smear Dr. Paul, his supporters and the Revolution. If it was done on Arbor Day or Earth Day they would call us all wacky Environmentalists!!! The date is irrelavant...their motive is not!

If someone hates you, why would you give them a high-caliber gun to shoot you with? If we held the fundraiser on some other day, it would be MUCH more difficult for the MSM to smear us. And I defy them to find a way to smear us on Nov 11. In fact, if we really lit things up on Nov 11, it would probably force the MSM to talk more about the fact Ron Paul is #1 in military donations. On Nov 5, the MSM will talk about how Ron Paul is #1 among violent anarchists.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry. :(

bolidew
11-01-2007, 08:28 AM
Guy Fawkes Night celebrates the foiling of the Gunpowder Plot.

Right ;)

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:28 AM
If someone hates you, why would you give them a high-caliber gun to shoot you with? If we held the fundraiser on some other day, it would be MUCH more difficult for the MSM to smear us. And I defy them to find a way to smear us on Nov 11. In fact, if we really lit things up on Nov 11, it would probably force the MSM to talk more about the fact Ron Paul is #1 in military donations. On Nov 5, the MSM will talk about how Ron Paul is #1 among violent anarchists.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry. :(

We're giving RP the high caliber gun.

deborak
11-01-2007, 08:30 AM
If it was done on Arbor Day or Earth Day they would call us all wacky Environmentalists!!! The date is irrelavant...their motive is not!

Word. I am so sick of people hand-wringing over donation rationales. I feel like Big Sister "Miss Manners" is watching my every move. :/

BLS
11-01-2007, 08:30 AM
STOP replying to this shitturd of a thread.

LET IT DIE.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:30 AM
Right.

If you read the original posts debating subject, you will see that people on here are on Guy Fawkes side.

synthetic
11-01-2007, 08:30 AM
We are doomed....DOOMED I tell ya!

IEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

:rolleyes:


DESPAIR DESPAIR

Thurston Howell III
11-01-2007, 08:31 AM
Exactly, we are foiling the Plot to destroy our country. What do they want?

Plot to destroy our country? Ya see? This is what they will use against us. Couldn't you just as well say we are trying to foil an out of control government. Who could argue with that? And if they did, it's an okay debate, not "on the fringe".

I'm not demeaning you, I'm behind you man. I'm with you! I just saying that if we think about how we say things, in light of who we say it to, we can make a bigger difference.

Now, you know what they say......He who laughs last, laughs best!
Let's get ready to DONATE! Success is the best revenge.

ronpaul4pres
11-01-2007, 08:31 AM
Ridiculous' main point was that this fundraising drive is not just associated with Ron Paul's message of freedom but with a message antithetical to it. Some may think it OK to go around blowing things up and killing people, but Ron Paul does not - so why associate it with him at all? It is not enough to say "who cares what others think." Ron Paul is still at single digits in the polls, and our main job is to convert the hearts and minds of other voters. Acting in a way that allows such negative articles to be so easily written aren't going to help raise that. Period. We're not going to stop all negative attacks, but, seriously, how hard is it to remove the negative message association? This is not about free speech. It's about showing a consistent message of freedom and hope for America to other Americans who are not yet on board. We are the ambassadors of his message and must get that message right. If you seriously believe Ron Paul believes in Guy Fawkes, then you need to spend a moment to visit this site and reflect:

http://www.wwrpd.org/

torchbearer
11-01-2007, 08:32 AM
NOTICE: The media has given up on finding real dirt on Dr. Paul, so now the media is attacking his supporters.... they may find a story here, but they should be careful are they may be attacked right back, There are some very zealous people out there.... the kind of people it takes to win a revolution.

Zydeco
11-01-2007, 08:32 AM
Hey Ridiculous,

It's time for you to SHUT THE FUCK UP. It's November 5th whether you like it or not.

You've said your piece several times. Now move on.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:34 AM
Ridiculous' main point was that this fundraising drive is not just associated with Ron Paul's message of freedom but with a message antithetical to it. Some may think it OK to go around blowing things up and killing people, but Ron Paul does not - so why associate it with him at all? It is not enough to say "who cares what others think." Ron Paul is still at single digits in the polls, and our main job is to convert the hearts and minds of other voters. Acting in a way that allows such negative articles to be so easily written aren't going to help raise that. Period. We're not going to stop all negative attacks, but, seriously, how hard is it to remove the negative message association? This is not about free speech. It's about showing a consistent message of freedom and hope for America to other Americans who are not yet on board. We are the ambassadors of his message and must get that message right. If you seriously believe Ron Paul believes in Guy Fawkes, then you need to spend a moment to visit this site and reflect:

http://www.wwrpd.org/

+1

BillyDkid
11-01-2007, 08:35 AM
Just grow up. I'm so sick of everyone whining about every little thing they don't fully agree with. None of it makes any difference. The only thing that is going to make any difference is when RP gets a giant boost in donations on Nov. 5. 99% of Americans don't even know who Guy Fawkes is or care what Nov. 5 is about.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:35 AM
Ridiculous' main point was that this fundraising drive is not just associated with Ron Paul's message of freedom but with a message antithetical to it. Some may think it OK to go around blowing things up and killing people, but Ron Paul does not - so why associate it with him at all?
Founding fathers, Ron Paul loves them. They used violence to effect change. Vendetta's government was far worse than George III.

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:37 AM
We should be proud if they use the V for Vendetta references against Ron Paul.

It means they are terrified.

Zydeco
11-01-2007, 08:39 AM
So this is like your lecture or something? You realize the futility of this thread and just want to shit up the forums? What?

Yes, if he posts one more time on this subject, Ridiculous is on my "rally-killing troll" list. :mad:

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:39 AM
Founding fathers, Ron Paul loves them. They used violence to effect change. Vendetta's government was far worse than George III.

Like I have said tons of times, it is a perception thing. The way that the American public perceives the founders is a lot different than they perceive a violent anarchist comic book hero, or will perceive Guy Fawkes when the media writes stories about Fawkes/November 5th07 donation connections.

Thurston Howell III
11-01-2007, 08:40 AM
NOTICE: The media has given up on finding real dirt on Dr. Paul, so now the media is attacking his supporters.... they may find a story here, but they should be careful are they may be attacked right back, There are some very zealous people out there.... the kind of people it takes to win a revolution.

Very good point. If you can't kill the messenger, or the message, kill the listeners.
I'm sure the attacks are just beginning. It's crucial how we handle ourselves.

If they attack us, you know it's so they can use our reaction, to turn the public against us. No other reason.

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:40 AM
Like I have said tons of times, it is a perception thing. The way that the American public perceives the founders is a lot different than they perceive a violent anarchist comic book hero, or will perceive Guy Fawkes when the media writes stories about Fawkes/November 5th07 donation connections.

If they can't recognize "V" was a hero then that is their fault.

Zydeco
11-01-2007, 08:40 AM
Like I have said tons of times, it is a perception thing. The way that the American public perceives the founders is a lot different than they perceive a violent anarchist comic book hero, or will perceive Guy Fawkes when the media writes stories about Fawkes/November 5th07 donation connections.


RIDICULOUS: YOU'VE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER IN MANY THREADS, MOST OF WHICH YOU YOURSELF STARTED. THE EVENT IS 3 DAYS AWAY AND IT'S NOT CHANGING.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:40 AM
Like I have said tons of times, it is a perception thing. The way that the American public perceives the founders is a lot different than they perceive a violent anarchist comic book hero, or will perceive Guy Fawkes when the media writes stories about Fawkes/November 5th07 donation connections.

Oh okay, you convinced me, now let me just call 14,500 people and tell them the whole thing is called off.

Why are you still wasting our time with this?

ItsTime
11-01-2007, 08:41 AM
They quote Luntz.... this story has no credibility. It was a hit piece from the start calling Ron Paul a 5 year old boy and Muppet.

Question_Authority
11-01-2007, 08:41 AM
Who gives a fuck what they think??

I'm on board. And if you're not, then get outta the way.

Who gives a fuck what they think???? Hmmmm....let me count....how about 90% of the fucking voting PUBLIC! That's who!!!!!!!

Just because you are "all on board" and shit doesn't mean that the perception of this fundraiser does not hurt him! Jesus.

ANyway, I have mixed feelings about it all. I just helped edit the press release that is going out about it, but I never would have started this event if it were my decision.

This campaign could have all the money in the world but could lose the presidency if the people will not vote for him.

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:41 AM
Ridiculous would sacrifice his principles to get a vote. He is not worth our time.

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:42 AM
If we stick by our principles and get bad press then we have done the right thing.

If we violate our principles (by apologizing for the "V" connection) and win then we don't deserve the victory.

Meatwasp
11-01-2007, 08:43 AM
Dear Time,
THANKS FOR HELPING US TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NOVEMBER 5TH DONATION SURGE.

Regards,
kylejack

I agree

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:44 AM
Ridiculous would sacrifice his principles to get a vote. He is not worth our time.

WTF are you talking about? All of your posts are very short with no attempt to validate the points that you are tying to make. Your longest posts are like two sentences that just seem to stir the pot rather than to contribute anything inteligent to the debate.

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:46 AM
I'm saying that you are trying to make the association with "V" into a bad thing. It was a good thing. "V" is a hero and Ron Paul is a hero.

Question_Authority
11-01-2007, 08:46 AM
Yep, and that attitude will get you about 300,000 votes in a general election and a cup of coffee.

Is it organic free trade coffee? Vanilla? Cause that shit's pretty good...

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:47 AM
Remember, hardly no one has heard of Ron Paul. Any publicity is good publicity.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:49 AM
Remember, hardly no one has heard of Ron Paul. Any publicity is good publicity.

That might be true if you are Paris Hilton or Britney Spears, it is absolutely not true of a political candidate, especially if the first thing people here is negative or if most things that people here are negative.

LFOD
11-01-2007, 08:50 AM
Remember, hardly no one has heard of Ron Paul. Any publicity is good publicity.

Wrongo. The "Deam Scream" disproved that bit conventional wisdom quite conclusively.

mavtek
11-01-2007, 08:50 AM
I took something else from this story, we got a new supporter!

"On Tuesday, both Paul and Tom Cruise were guests on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The actor went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"

Question_Authority
11-01-2007, 08:52 AM
Yawn. I'm donating $100 on 11/5. I don't give a fig what anyone thinks about my motives. That includes the MSM, people who hate "V", and any other random element that stands in the way of raising as much cash as possible for our candidate.


I think we DO need to start caring about what the general public thinks of Dr Paul. And what they think of his supporters unfortunately translates into what they think of him oftentimes.

In order to win a general election, we will need 50%-ish of the people to vote for him. Like it or not, 50% of the people in this country do NOT have our strong convictions of LIVE FREE OR DIE!

So, do we want RP to win? Or are we more concerned about flaunting our anti-establishment "fuck you" attitudes?

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:52 AM
Wrongo. The "Deam Scream" disproved that bit conventional wisdom quite conclusively.

Who were Dean's supporters? Big government goons!

Bad publicity for Ron Paul will be a good thing.

max
11-01-2007, 08:53 AM
Oh, no not another one of these threads....

While I am all for a fund raising drive of any kind and I hope makes a billion dollars every day, I have said from the beginning that I didn't think the 5th was a good idea. I was however, very thankful that the V for Vendetta references were removed from the thisnovember 5th site. It still doesn't take away from the fact that it is Guy Fawkes Day.

Already the media has taken notice of the association and used it negatively against Paul. I realize that the 5th had already gained some momentum, when people started criticizing it here so it was too late to cancel. I am just saying think first next time.


From Time Magazine:
"And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive."
From: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-2,00.html

Like I said from the beginning, it is all about peoples perceptions. I bet this won't be the last article to use the 5th against Paul and his supporters....

and this spoof site did a story on it to. Now I realize that it is satire and the story is outright retarded, however, for some reason it gets sent out by google alerts as a Ron Paul news story. I am sure that all journalists that are against Paul, get google news alerts on him just like we do, and even though this is satire they are now aware of the V for Vendetta, Guy Fawkes association with the 5th.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i26404


Paul is getting more and more attention now, and this is just a lesson that we don't need to give the media any ammunition to use against him (and us). They are now using the 5th association with Fawkes and V for Vendetta to make him look like a fringe candidate with anarchist supporters like I told you that they would.....

I'm not saying live in fear of the media, just don't give them any ammunition.



You suffer from media phobia. The media is our most formidable adversary. As long as you continue to allow the media to control your thoughts and actions WE WILL NEVER WIN.

Let them do what they want with Guy Fawkes day. Do you seriusoly think some fat stupid American who gets "turned off" because of this fun stunt...would actually ever vote for RP anyway?

We have zero shot at the "up tight" vote anyway. The media smear campaign is coming anyway and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Instead of fretting endlessly about the up tight American idiot voter, start thinking about the MAJORITY of eligible voters who DO NOT vote because they HATE politicians. The anti-Establishment message of Nov. 5 will appeal to them and THATS where victory lies.

Forget the media addicted up-tights wussies who are gonna be scared away from RP...and stop whining about what the media will spin things as...

eff the media...5hey are enemy and we dont play by THEIR rigged rules anymore

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:53 AM
I think we DO need to start caring about what the general public thinks of Dr Paul. And what they think of his supporters unfortunately translates into what they think of him oftentimes.

In order to win a general election, we will need 50%-ish of the people to vote for him. Like it or not, 50% of the people in this country do NOT have our strong convictions of LIVE FREE OR DIE!

So, do we want RP to win? Or are we more concerned about flaunting our anti-establishment "fuck you" attitudes?

If we back off one bit on our anti-establishment attitudes we don't deserve to win.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:54 AM
I took something else from this story, we got a new supporter!

"On Tuesday, both Paul and Tom Cruise were guests on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The actor went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"

I think the only reason that they showed his as a Paul supporter in this article is because most people think that Tom Cruise is a batshit crazy now. Plus they put a zinger in the last sentence trying to show that Ron Paul is out of touch.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 08:54 AM
We should re-name this forum as The Ridiculous Debate Society, where we debate ridiculous things knowing that all our bloviations will be for naught.

On the schedule for tomorrow: We will stand outside in the morning with our hands on our hips, shaking our finger at the sun for daring to shine, and insisting that it go back down! I know what you're thinking: how can we shake our fingers at the sun if our hands are on our hips? But that's the beauty of The Ridiculous Debate Society! It doesn't have to make any sense!

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 08:56 AM
If we back off one bit on our anti-establishment attitudes we don't deserve to win.

How old are you, 14?

RPFTW!
11-01-2007, 08:56 AM
Who cared about the blowback, I look at this as GREAT NEWS! It helps get his name out there and gives Ron Paul the reputation of being a rebel / maverick. People pissed off with politics won't want another no name boring candidate they want someone different! RON PAUL 2008!

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:57 AM
How old are you, 14?

Why are you attacking me?

When I was 14 years old I would have agreed with you.

Now, I realize sticking to our principles is more important than anything else.

ItsTime
11-01-2007, 08:57 AM
This is far past the debate part... so those of you fretting over a little bad press while getting a shit load of money should be thinking of damage control rather than debating...

Hank
11-01-2007, 08:57 AM
Who cared about the blowback, I look at this as GREAT NEWS! It helps get his name out there and gives Ron Paul the reputation of being a rebel / maverick. People pissed off with politics won't want another no name boring candidate they want someone different! RON PAUL 2008!

I totally agree.

jumpyg1258
11-01-2007, 08:59 AM
The Media: OH NOES! People are going to donate to Ron Paul! We must smear them!!!

People's Response to the Media: We have to take what the media says is true cause we can't think for ourselves, so what those RP people are doing is bad!!!

Brinck Slattery
11-01-2007, 09:00 AM
The wording of Hank's posts make me think he is either a troll or a living parody of an annoying high school libertarian.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:00 AM
The part in V for Vendetta that struck home for me, was when he was giving the address to the people over the TV. Remember it? Where he was reminding the people what they had allowed to happen to their government, because they were scared. To me, it was an admonition of which our Founding Fathers would have approved.

Many years have passed since this speech was given, but I think you'll find a lot in here that will ring true, still today. There is nothing far out in what Dr. Paul is suggesting. Traditional conservatives have been harping on these things for years. Some have forgotten and it is my hope that when they hear Dr. Paul speak, they will be reminded.

To me, November 5th is the day Americans stand up united in saying, we want our Constitution reinstated and we want our country back and we're willing to put our money where our mouths are, to get the one man elected who will work towards that goal.

====================

These are excerpts from Reagan's 1964 speech for Barry Goldwater.


"No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector's share, and yet our government continues to spend $17 million a day more than the government takes in. We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We have raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the "combined debts of all the nations in the world. We have $15 billion in gold in our treasury--we don't own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are $27.3 billion, and we have just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value."

"But I have an uncomfortable feeling that this prosperity isn't something on which we can base our hopes for the future. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector's share, and yet our government continues to spend $17 million a day more than the government takes in. We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We have raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations in the world. We have $15 billion in gold in our treasury--we don't own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are $27.3 billion, and we have just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value."

"Not too long ago two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, "We don't know how lucky we are." And the Cuban stopped and said, "How lucky you are! I had someplace to escape to." In that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

"You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course."

"In addition, was Barry Goldwater so irresponsible when he suggested that our government give up its program of deliberate planned inflation so that when you do get your Social Security pension, a dollar will buy a dollar's worth, and not 45 cents' worth?"

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this Earth. Federal employees number 2.5 million, and federal, state, and local, one out of six of the nation's work force is employed by the government. These proliferating bureaus with their thousands of regulations have cost us many of our constitutional safeguards. How many of us realize that today federal agents can invade a man's property without a warrant? They can impose a fine without a formal hearing, let alone a trial by jury, and they can seize and sell his property in auction to enforce the payment of that fine. In Chico County, Arkansas, James Wier overplanted his rice allotment. The government obtained a $17,000 judgment, and a U.S. marshal sold his 950-acre farm at auction. The government said it was necessary as a warning to others to make the system work. Last February 19 at the University of Minnesota, Norman Thomas, six-time candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said, "If Barry Goldwater became President, he would stop the advance of socialism in the United States." I think that's exactly what he will do."

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 09:01 AM
The wording of Hank's posts make me think he is either a troll or a living parody of an annoying high school libertarian.

I've thought this for a while....

me3
11-01-2007, 09:02 AM
Ridiculous, what do you have planned to further the campaign today, tomorrow and this weekend? Besides starting these threads, what are you working on offline to get Dr. Paul elected?

I'm curious to know.

LFOD
11-01-2007, 09:02 AM
Who were Dean's supporters? Big government goons!

Bad publicity for Ron Paul will be a good thing.

I'm not an expert on the history of the Dean campaign, but I thought a lot of young people hit the streets in Iowa for him. For me personally at the time, that was how Dean made his first tv appearance. Not a good impression.

In politics, I think bad publicity is bad publicity. It's only good in the entertainment biz, where people still pay to see people they hate, think are crazy, and so on.

Hank
11-01-2007, 09:03 AM
I'm a Libertarian and I am not a troll.

I don't want the Ron Paul campaign to end up like the current Libertarian Party. The LP sacrificed all it's principles to try to get political support when they gutted the platform and posted the plan to withdraw troops from Iraq that included FOREIGN AID!

If you notice, they are terrified to post anything about drug legalization, asset forfeiture, or "scary" issues on their front page. It's all boring political stuff.

peruvianRP
11-01-2007, 09:04 AM
What is V for Vendetta?

I do remember V Invasion...you know those extraterrestial guys who killed humans.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:06 AM
What is V for Vendetta?

I do remember V Invasion...you know those extraterrestial guys who killed humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta

Hank
11-01-2007, 09:06 AM
V for Vendetta is a great movie about a man that liberates England from a tyranical government.

Brinck Slattery
11-01-2007, 09:08 AM
Hank, you understand that there are many different choices on the spectrum between "pussy" and "violent revolutionary," right? It's not binary.

Brian Bailey
11-01-2007, 09:09 AM
http://www.wwrpd.org/images/RP-Saves-Constitution.jpg


And that's all I have to say about this.

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 09:09 AM
Ridiculous, what do you have planned to further the campaign today, tomorrow and this weekend? Besides starting these threads, what are you working on offline to get Dr. Paul elected?

I'm curious to know.

I hand out slim jims when I can, put some signs up on medians etc...

I'm 30, work over 40 hours a week and I'm in grad school, so I haven't had a whole lot of times to work with the local meetups. I know that there are some people who are probably busier than I am that do more than I do and I have respect for that and applaud them. I do what I can.

I live in Alexandria, VA so when my classes are over in early December, I plan on volunteering at the actual HQ in Arlington.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:09 AM
Why are you attacking me?

When I was 14 years old I would have agreed with you.

Now, I realize sticking to our principles is more important than anything else.

What principles are you talking about? Yours, or Dr. Paul's? Dr. Paul does not believe in violence.

RPFTW!
11-01-2007, 09:11 AM
I'm a Libertarian and I am not a troll.

I don't want the Ron Paul campaign to end up like the current Libertarian Party. The LP sacrificed all it's principles to try to get political support when they gutted the platform and posted the plan to withdraw troops from Iraq that included FOREIGN AID!

If you notice, they are terrified to post anything about drug legalization, asset forfeiture, or "scary" issues on their front page. It's all boring political stuff.

I agree with Hank, people are really pissed off with our political leaders right now, most people are so apathetic that they don't believe a word anyone says, when they watch those campaign commercials they think 'yeah right heres another political prostitute. Ron Paul is not getting his support by conforming to safe and politically correct campaigning. Ron Paul has gotten his support because he is the only one with balls up there who is fighting for Americans, people want to see a change, people are tired of all these fake Hillarys and Edwards's. People want to see someone get up on the stage and stick it to these assholes, give the people what they want, caress this Ron Paul rebel image of his. People want a rebel, People are begging for change!

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:13 AM
What principles are you talking about? Yours, or Dr. Paul's? Dr. Paul does not believe in violence.

Citation, please.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:13 AM
I hand out slim jims when I can, put some signs up on medians etc...

I'm 30, work over 40 hours a week and I'm in grad school, so I haven't had a whole lot of times to work with the local meetups. I know that there are some people who are probably busier than I am that do more than I do and I have respect for that and applaud them. I do what I can.

I live in Alexandria, VA so when my classes are over in early December, I plan on volunteering at the actual HQ in Arlington.
You make plenty of time for shitting up the forums, however.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:16 AM
Citation, please.

For what? Dr. Paul saying he doesn't believe in violence? He has said it NUMEROUS TIMES in his speeches. Do you ever listen to them?

qwerty
11-01-2007, 09:17 AM
I say fucking lousy hitpiece....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_5

There have been other events too on November 5th...

LETīS MAKE THAT DAY HUGE TOGETHER!

:cool:

Ridiculous
11-01-2007, 09:17 AM
You make plenty of time for shitting up the forums, however.

When I am not busy at work it isn't like I can just leave and go hand out slim jims.

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:18 AM
Ridiculous strapped on his tin foil hat way too tight. Frankly, I'm tired of his "fatalistic nay-saying bullshit."

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:20 AM
For what? Dr. Paul saying he doesn't believe in violence? He has said it NUMEROUS TIMES in his speeches. Do you ever listen to them?
Citation, please.

BillyDkid
11-01-2007, 09:20 AM
I took something else from this story, we got a new supporter!

"On Tuesday, both Paul and Tom Cruise were guests on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The actor went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"That is what I love about Ron Paul - absolutely no pretentions of any kind. There's coolness and then there's something way beyond coolness and that is what Ron Paul is. He reveals coolness and pretentiousness as the lame ass crap it is just by being the genuine article. That is why the movers and shakers are terrified of Ron Paul - he is the genuine article.

shepburn
11-01-2007, 09:20 AM
negative articles would exist with or without the 5th of november. this is a fact.

good point, and at least Nov 5 will bring us $1.5M

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:25 AM
Citation, please.

I'm not going to go re-listen to a bunch of speeches to find it for you. I am amazed that you do not already know this.

If however you doubt me, you can go back and listen to several of them yourself. I am sure that many others on here will also substantiate what I have said.

Here's one for you. If you want more, you go find them yourself.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/123013.html

cmc
11-01-2007, 09:27 AM
Nov. 5th is also the day Reagan wrote his famous letter telling the world about his Alzheimer's disease. Make it in his honor.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:29 AM
I'm not going to go re-listen to a bunch of speeches to find it for you. I am amazed that you do not already know this.

If however you doubt me, you can go back and listen to several of them yourself. I am sure that many others on here will also substantiate what I have said.
He says that freedom should not be exported with the barrel of a gun. He says that we should bring the troops home and avoid entangling alliances.

Never does he say that violence shouldn't be used to overthrow a tyrannical government. Indeed, his biggest heros are clearly the Founding Fathers, men who used violence to effect the political changes they wanted.

I would say that you're trying to encapsulate Ron Paul's message into something for your own purposes. If you're going to say that Ron Paul is a pacifist who never believes violence should be used, you're going to have to cite your source.

Edit: To respond to your edit, liking non-violence is not the same thing as being entirely opposed to violence. For example, I like non-violence. I understand, however, that sometimes tyranny extends too far and only violence can put an end to it. 1776, for example.

Hank
11-01-2007, 09:29 AM
What principles are you talking about? Yours, or Dr. Paul's? Dr. Paul does not believe in violence.

I am talking about Dr. Paul's.

Today, we do not need violence to fix this nation!

In the fictional world of "V" violence was the only option.

Thankfully, we are not in that world!

However, both Ron Paul and V are heros.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:31 AM
I am talking about Dr. Paul's.

Today, we do not need violence to fix this nation!

In the fictional world of "V" violence was the only option.

Thankfully, we are not in that world!

However, both Ron Paul and V are heros.

Guy Fawkes was not a hero. He is who the movie is loosely based upon.

You may want to check your sources before you go around claiming someone is a hero. Seriously.

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:33 AM
Guy Fawkes was not a hero. He is who the movie is loosely based upon.

You may want to check your sources before you go around claiming someone is a hero. Seriously.

He never said Fawkes was a hero. He was V was the hero. Re-read the post and try again.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:35 AM
He says that freedom should not be exported with the barrel of a gun. He says that we should bring the troops home and avoid entangling alliances.

Never does he say that violence shouldn't be used to overthrow a tyrannical government. Indeed, his biggest heros are clearly the Founding Fathers, men who used violence to effect the political changes they wanted.

I would say that you're trying to encapsulate Ron Paul's message into something for your own purposes. If you're going to say that Ron Paul is a pacifist who never believes violence should be used, you're going to have to cite your source.

Hardly. It is you who appears to be attempting to turn this campaign into some kind of bloody revolution. GROW THE HELL UP!

While you are at it, please stop putting words in my mouth. Paul has spoken to the fact that he is trying to change things peacefully and legally, through his work in the House, rather than resort to violent means.

I have no idea what YOU are trying to do, but don't latch it onto this campaign! :mad:

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:36 AM
He never said Fawkes was a hero. He was V was the hero. Re-read the post and try again.

Isn't Fawkes "V"?

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:36 AM
Guy Fawkes was not a hero. He is who the movie is loosely based upon.

You may want to check your sources before you go around claiming someone is a hero. Seriously.
He said "V is a hero", not "Guy Fawkes" is a hero. The movie is not "based" on Guy Fawkes. The character V uses a Guy Fawkes mask and carries out a similar plan for different purposes. You trying to switch "V" to "Guy Fawkes" is intellectually disingenuous. He did not say Guy Fawkes was a hero...he said V was a hero.

Brian Bailey
11-01-2007, 09:37 AM
Citation, please.

Is anyone seriously questioning whether or not Dr. Paul prefers non-violence?

I direct you to this 52 second video, Ron Paul Sorta Likes Non-Violence (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ADOoKIQ1Y8I), as well as everything else the Doctor has ever said.

*Note: this point, in my mind, has nothing at all to do with Nov. 5

Hank
11-01-2007, 09:37 AM
Hardly. It is you who appears to be attempting to turn this campaign into some kind of bloody revolution. GROW THE HELL UP!

While you are at it, please stop putting words in my mouth. Paul has spoken to the fact that he is trying to change things peacefully and legally, through his work in the House, rather than resort to violent means.

I have no idea what YOU are trying to do, but don't latch it onto this campaign! :mad:

None of us are trying to turn this into a bloody revolution.

We are doing something as EXTREME as "V" did but in a totally peaceful way!

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:37 AM
Isn't Fawkes "V"?

Apparently you haven't read the comic or seen the movie, so I don't think you're really qualified to participate in this discussion.

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:37 AM
Isn't Fawkes "V"?

No, try again....

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:38 AM
Removed. I was incorrect about the V-Guy Fawkes relationship.

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:38 AM
Is anyone seriously questioning whether or not Dr. Paul prefers non-violence?

I direct you to this 52 second video, Ron Paul Sorta Likes Non-Violence (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ADOoKIQ1Y8I), as well as everything else the Doctor has ever said.

*Note: this point, in my mind, has nothing at all to do with Nov. 5

He was referring to a street brawl.

micahnelson
11-01-2007, 09:38 AM
V still killed people. When Ron Paul was interviewed about Ed and Elaine brown he said he did not advocate violence, but he supported civil disobedience. Its on youtube, Fox News Neil Cavuto

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:39 AM
Get over yourself, Kylejack. My understanding was that the movie was based upon Guy Fawkes. Is that not true?

Yeah, but saying V IS Fawkes is completely inaccurate.

Hank
11-01-2007, 09:39 AM
In my opinion....

Ending the War on Drugs
Ending the War on Guns
Abolishing the Income Tax
Bringing our troops home

Is just as revolutionary as what "V" did but in a peaceful way!

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 09:40 AM
Edit: nvm...

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:40 AM
No, try again....


"V", an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, begins an elaborate, violent, and theatrical campaign to bring down the government.

Ok, so V was just wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and implying he was some kind of hero?

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:41 AM
Yeah, but saying V IS Fawkes is completely inaccurate.

You're right. I stand corrected.

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 09:43 AM
Apparently you haven't read the comic or seen the movie, so I don't think you're really qualified to participate in this discussion.

Yes. I saw the movie. I stopped reading comic books when I was about 12 years old.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:52 AM
Yes. I saw the movie. I stopped reading comic books when I was about 12 years old.

Apparently you weren't paying attention. The movie is set in the future, and V talks repeatedly about Guy Fawkes' gunpowder plot which happened in the past. In the speech on television, he talks about what Guy Fawkes tried to do and encourages them to gather in front of the government's buildings on November 5th.

The comic came out 25 years ago.

LFOD
11-01-2007, 09:53 AM
He says that freedom should not be exported with the barrel of a gun. He says that we should bring the troops home and avoid entangling alliances.

Never does he say that violence shouldn't be used to overthrow a tyrannical government. Indeed, his biggest heros are clearly the Founding Fathers, men who used violence to effect the political changes they wanted.

I would say that you're trying to encapsulate Ron Paul's message into something for your own purposes. If you're going to say that Ron Paul is a pacifist who never believes violence should be used, you're going to have to cite your source.

Edit: To respond to your edit, liking non-violence is not the same thing as being entirely opposed to violence. For example, I like non-violence. I understand, however, that sometimes tyranny extends too far and only violence can put an end to it. 1776, for example.

The point here is whether there is the slightest hint that Ron Paul is advocating violence, right here, right now, today. He isn't. This isn't 1776. We have a government that IS possible to change for the better through it's own mechanism of voting, or if another step is required - non-violent civil disobedience.

Folks that like to fantasize about whipping out their guns and blowing stuff up to change things are scary, have been playing too many video games and getting high on movies where violence is supposedly the solution to every problem. They have no understanding of the principles of Ron Paul's message, which is about freedom and tolerance, and respect for LIFE.

kylejack
11-01-2007, 09:55 AM
The point here is whether there is the slightest hint that Ron Paul is advocating violence, right here, right now, today. He isn't. This isn't 1776. We have a government that IS possible to change for the better through it's own mechanism of voting, or if another step is required - non-violent civil disobedience.

Folks that like to fantasize about whipping out their guns and blowing stuff up to change things are scary, have been playing too many video games and getting high on movies where violence is supposedly the solution to every problem. They have no understanding of the principles of Ron Paul's message, which is about freedom and tolerance, and respect for LIFE.
Fund-raiser. Not rebellion-raiser.

deborak
11-01-2007, 10:01 AM
So, do we want RP to win? Or are we more concerned about flaunting our anti-establishment "fuck you" attitudes?

I don't see the two as mutually exclusive, as you apparently do.

Liberty
11-01-2007, 10:03 AM
I say fucking lousy hitpiece....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_5

There have been other events too on November 5th...

LETīS MAKE THAT DAY HUGE TOGETHER!

:cool:

I will donate on 11/5 in recognition of the 135th anniversary of Susan B. Anthony voting for the first time, in defiance of the law. Ironically, she was fined $100.

Cali4RonPaul
11-01-2007, 12:38 PM
I am so upset right now with the shortsightedness of some of our supporters. This was so naive to Associate Dr. Paul with Guy Fawkes and V for Vendetta.

Even on the tonight show, Jay Leno put in a jab in reference to the Sex Pistols, ""Its about Anarchy you would like this"" or something to that affect, *crowd laughs*

*sighs* what to do.

I will still be supporting my pledge on Nov. 5th.

But seriously we need to be more subjective on how we want to craft our image support.

NinjaPirate
11-01-2007, 12:51 PM
I am so upset right now with the shortsightedness of some of our supporters. This was so naive to Associate Dr. Paul with Guy Fawkes and V for Vendetta.

Even on the tonight show, Jay Leno put in a jab in reference to the Sex Pistols, ""Its about Anarchy you would like this"" or something to that affect, *crowd laughs*

*sighs* what to do.

I will still be supporting my pledge on Nov. 5th.

But seriously we need to be more subjective on how we want to craft our image support.

Participate on the 11th drive, and participate on the 16th of December (Boston Tea Party) money bomb.

Diana
11-01-2007, 09:23 PM
I will donate on 11/5 in recognition of the 135th anniversary of Susan B. Anthony voting for the first time, in defiance of the law. Ironically, she was fined $100.

Excellent! I believe my donation will be in honor of that event as well.

NewEnd
11-01-2007, 09:27 PM
I am so upset right now with the shortsightedness of some of our supporters. This was so naive to Associate Dr. Paul with Guy Fawkes and V for Vendetta.

Even on the tonight show, Jay Leno put in a jab in reference to the Sex Pistols, ""Its about Anarchy you would like this"" or something to that affect, *crowd laughs*

*sighs* what to do.

I will still be supporting my pledge on Nov. 5th.

But seriously we need to be more subjective on how we want to craft our image support.

the v for vendetta thing is so last week. It's over and gone. And the Leno joke was funny to the Paul educated, and to the unpaul educated, it was funny to suggest an old guy would like punk music.

And the Boston Tea party will be awesome.

maiki
11-01-2007, 11:47 PM
I will donate on 11/5 in recognition of the 135th anniversary of Susan B. Anthony voting for the first time, in defiance of the law. Ironically, she was fined $100.

Hey, I'm supporting Haile Selassies Imperial Funeral. :D

hatefalseweight
11-01-2007, 11:54 PM
I don't know about the date per se, but the idea of having a coordinated giving date and accumulating pledges is an excellent idea. I have been telling people that all it would take is for 100,000 constitutionally educated people willing to give their dog track money ($100) for 2-4 qtrs is all it would take to put someone immediately into the "top tier" and gain the hundreds of millions of free ads that go to the CFR crowd. Such an organized movement would not have to wait for a candidate to show up - these names need to be captured and we need to be recruiting someone in the future with the promise of funds to support them.

lapi7
11-01-2007, 11:55 PM
If someone hates you, why would you give them a high-caliber gun to shoot you with? If we held the fundraiser on some other day, it would be MUCH more difficult for the MSM to smear us. And I defy them to find a way to smear us on Nov 11. In fact, if we really lit things up on Nov 11, it would probably force the MSM to talk more about the fact Ron Paul is #1 in military donations. On Nov 5, the MSM will talk about how Ron Paul is #1 among violent anarchists.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry. :(


Are you kidding me?
Both Martin Luther King and Gandhi would hold rallies and marches that coincided on the anniversary of special historical days relating to their cause...the MSM HATED them as well...but look what they accomplished...MLK brought about the Civil Rights Act and Gandhi freed an entire nation and brought the mighty British Empire to its knees without ever firing a shot...

Read your history...

Duckman
11-02-2007, 07:07 AM
Are you kidding me?
Both Martin Luther King and Gandhi would hold rallies and marches that coincided on the anniversary of special historical days relating to their cause...the MSM HATED them as well...but look what they accomplished...MLK brought about the Civil Rights Act and Gandhi freed an entire nation and brought the mighty British Empire to its knees without ever firing a shot...

I'm sure neither Ghandi or MLK celebrated on days that were tied to a person who wanted to destroy government buildings. That is the issue here. If we wanted to do a moneybomb on the anniversary of the birth of an Austrian economist (Mises perhaps) or some other obscure figure associated with the freedom movement, I would have ZERO problem with it. It's the association with Guy Fawkes and the hay that the MSM will make with it that concerns me.

But the point is moot. I continue to kick the dead horse. :)

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 08:15 AM
I'm sure neither Ghandi or MLK celebrated on days that were tied to a person who wanted to destroy government buildings. That is the issue here. If we wanted to do a moneybomb on the anniversary of the birth of an Austrian economist (Mises perhaps) or some other obscure figure associated with the freedom movement, I would have ZERO problem with it. It's the association with Guy Fawkes and the hay that the MSM will make with it that concerns me.

But the point is moot. I continue to kick the dead horse. :)

+1

NinjaPirate
11-02-2007, 09:03 AM
It's the association with V.

underdwg
11-02-2007, 11:07 AM
*removed*

anewvoice
11-02-2007, 11:13 AM
Realizing the media does not care for subtley anyway, this is not about supporting the destruction of property, it's about the metaphorical blowing up of corruption.

Ron Paul is the metaphorical explosion that will blow up the corruption in Washington D.C. This has nothing to do with violence.

I know, what's a meta for?

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 11:40 AM
V for VICTORY.. Guy Fawkes day or not the media would try to turn it around anyways. The simple fact is this. A politician will NEVER be undermined by his supporters. The media can try to say whatever they want about Ron Paul supporters. They have all ready labeled us "crazies", "anarchists", even border-line terrorists but guess what, it HAS NOT STOPPED Ron Paul's popularity.. in fact it has grown. The only thing that can hurt his campaign is something he has done himself.. and that is why his campaign refuses to give and official message regarding this event. However I can guarantee you RON PAUL is hoping for this to be a BIG donation day. You really think he would say... um no donations today please.. because it happens to fall on some little known UK holiday?? Theres no time to hold back in this campaign, there isn't much time left. LIVE FREE OF DIE

It's not that it happens to fall on some little known UK holiday by coincidence. It is that the association with Fawkes and V is being made by Ron Paul supporters.

Yes, Ron Paul's support is growing, but would it be possible to make it grow even faster? People don't want to be associated with "crazies" we should protect our image. In order for Paul to gain more support we, his supporters, should be people that others would be proud to be associated with.

Plus, look at the Guiliani $9.11 thing. He was pretty much forced to give back that money because of the bad press.

NinjaPirate
11-02-2007, 11:51 AM
It's not that it happens to fall on some little known UK holiday by coincidence. It is that the association with Fawkes and V is being made by Ron Paul supporters.

Yes, Ron Paul's support is growing, but would it be possible to make it grow even faster? People don't want to be associated with "crazies" we should protect our image. In order for Paul to gain more support we, his supporters, should be people that others would be proud to be associated with.

Plus, look at the Guiliani $9.11 thing. He was pretty much forced to give back that money because of the bad press.

The $9.11 fundraiser was based on an actual event. The november 5th theme is based on a fictional movie and character. V is NOT Fawkes, he just took his idea and spun it to fit his ideas and agenda.

lapi7
11-02-2007, 03:43 PM
I'm sure neither Ghandi or MLK celebrated on days that were tied to a person who wanted to destroy government buildings. That is the issue here. If we wanted to do a moneybomb on the anniversary of the birth of an Austrian economist (Mises perhaps) or some other obscure figure associated with the freedom movement, I would have ZERO problem with it. It's the association with Guy Fawkes and the hay that the MSM will make with it that concerns me.

But the point is moot. I continue to kick the dead horse. :)

Perhaps this insightful quote from member ANEWVOICE will help you understand:

"Realizing the media does not care for subtley anyway, this is not about supporting the destruction of property, it's about the metaphorical blowing up of corruption.

Ron Paul is the metaphorical explosion that will blow up the corruption in Washington D.C. This has nothing to do with violence."

Make more sense to you now?

fcnz
11-02-2007, 04:12 PM
Whats funny is we will lose this election thanks to kids who aren't old enough to vote and thought "V for Vendetta" was a great movie and that it was a good idea to associate RP with V....

Good fucking job kids.

kylejack
11-02-2007, 04:13 PM
Whats funny is we will lose this election thanks to kids who aren't old enough to vote and thought "V for Vendetta" was a great movie and that it was a good idea to associate RP with V....

Good fucking job kids.
Make sure to send Ron Paul $100 on the fifth!

fcnz
11-02-2007, 04:14 PM
Make sure to send Ron Paul $100 on the fifth!

Make sure we lose the election thanks to the 5th.

kylejack
11-02-2007, 04:16 PM
Make sure we lose the election thanks to the 5th.
The sky is falling! AHHHH!

ladyliberty
11-02-2007, 04:17 PM
But the money is piling up! Wheee!

ItsTime
11-02-2007, 04:40 PM
It is good for Ron Paul! He even thinks so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

TROLL

Go back to your huckabee forum


Make sure we lose the election thanks to the 5th.

fcnz
11-02-2007, 05:32 PM
You kids piss me off, a bunch of communists and anarchists that hopped on the RP bandwagon solely for the purpose of leaving Irak. Theres alot more to it and your movie references are only hurting us. If you don't understand why, I'll have proved my point. We can't stop it, but now we will get it badly for the V references. Believe me, the media always know, they just chose what they report.

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 07:54 PM
The 5th is getting attacked already like many of us said it would:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGMaynTbry0

KewlRonduderules
11-02-2007, 07:58 PM
Make sure we lose the election thanks to the 5th.


Why are you here?

Shoo! Buzz off! Go away!!!

Where's my anti-troll spray?

KewlRonduderules
11-02-2007, 08:02 PM
You kids piss me off, a bunch of communists and anarchists that hopped on the RP bandwagon solely for the purpose of leaving Irak. Theres alot more to it and your movie references are only hurting us. If you don't understand why, I'll have proved my point. We can't stop it, but now we will get it badly for the V references. Believe me, the media always know, they just chose what they report.


If we piss you off, why are you here?

Got news for you smartypants, they will attack us regardless what we do.

hells_unicorn
11-02-2007, 08:04 PM
You kids piss me off, a bunch of communists and anarchists that hopped on the RP bandwagon solely for the purpose of leaving Irak. Theres alot more to it and your movie references are only hurting us. If you don't understand why, I'll have proved my point. We can't stop it, but now we will get it badly for the V references. Believe me, the media always know, they just chose what they report.

Quit whining and do something constructive with your time, like become a nurse and take care of lepers or something. (Scarface reference)

Naraku
11-02-2007, 08:12 PM
There's one thing I just don't get. How is November 5th, a day that celebrates the defeat of an attempted coup against the crown of England by Catholics turned into anything remotely resembling anarchism or communism?

I mean, I've never seen V for Vendetta so maybe it's something about that movie, but I don't think anyone would buy it if it was about the movie.

Besides, I honestly don't think the majority of people will make the connection to the actual holiday or even care about the connection.

Ridiculous
11-02-2007, 08:13 PM
If we piss you off, why are you here?

Got news for you smartypants, they will attack us regardless what we do.

Maybe, but why give them ammunition?

Paul4Prez
11-03-2007, 12:25 AM
I think the V for Vendetta references were better than the Guy Fawkes references. So people like a movie that's about standing up to a corrupt and tyrannical government. Big deal. If Ron Paul raises two million dollars online in one day, THAT will be the story, not what prompted it.

Even if there is a media discussion of it, so what? The campaign will have the money to spend, and a lot of people who liked the movie will check out Ron Paul.

Justicar333
11-03-2007, 09:47 PM
Sheesh, why all this wasted energy hating the ideal of the Nov 5'th drive? Forget the historical ties, and go with the movie. Which is where the ideal of this came from. Peaceful overthrow of a tyranical goverment. The only violance by the people was caused by the goverment. In no way was it 'anarchy.' A foolish label to make a good movie seem unaceptable.

Now as to V, he was a hero. A real one, with his own flaws and quirks. When the finalie came, those weakness got him killed, even when the people would be free because he couldn't let go of hate. Though if he hadn't, the order woulda came down, and tens of thousands would have died if the millitary didn't refuse to open fire. So even in his hate, he helped the citizens.

Would the next person that crys anarch about this movie kindly think for a moment? The first blood was drawn by the finger man, gunning down a fleeing child that had done nothing but spray some grafitti. That started the riots, not the people. It's happened in our own nation, and likely would again if it was your neighbors daughter that had been murdered.

SeanEdwards
11-03-2007, 10:06 PM
If someone hates you, why would you give them a high-caliber gun to shoot you with? If we held the fundraiser on some other day, it would be MUCH more difficult for the MSM to smear us. And I defy them to find a way to smear us on Nov 11. In fact, if we really lit things up on Nov 11, it would probably force the MSM to talk more about the fact Ron Paul is #1 in military donations. On Nov 5, the MSM will talk about how Ron Paul is #1 among violent anarchists.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry. :(

This is the straight up truth right here. Violent anarchists and bad hollywood cheese is FTL.

Oh well, it's like truther grief. You can't shut 'em up, and any effort to reason with them just riles them up and makes them act even crazier.

Just keep trudging on, hand out slimjims, and hope for the best. Hopefully the good the campaign can do with the money will offset any damage caused by the date.

enjoiskaterguy
11-04-2007, 01:27 AM
Oh I just love articles ready be be smashed by this lovely bunch of Ron Paul supporters.

...(read that sacasticaly in your mind)

#1 rule of threads - No Whinning

#2 - No Bitching

#3 - #1 and #2

tfelice
11-04-2007, 06:21 AM
The anarchists need to realize that their views aren't exactly mainstream and giving the media the ability to put anarchist supporters and a presidential candidate in the same article is not a good thing.

This quote is from back on page 3 but needs repeating and my own emphasis:

The anarchists, 911 Truthers, pot-smoking libertarians and assorted fringe groups need to realize that they aren't exactly mainstream and giving the media the ability to put them and a presidential candidate in the same article is not a good thing.

While your support is appreciated, you need to realize that Ron Paul is running for the nomination of the Republican Party - the party of mini-vans, Evangelical Christians, country-clubbers, NASCAR dads and soccer moms. Despite what you think, the insertion of your crowd into a mainstream party is minimal. Paul being constantly attached to these fringe groups is only going to hurt his chances with the 99% of Republicans who don't act, look and think like you do.

Revolution9
11-04-2007, 06:45 AM
This quote is from back on page 3 but needs repeating and my own emphasis:

The anarchists, 911 Truthers, pot-smoking libertarians and assorted fringe groups need to realize that they aren't exactly mainstream and giving the media the ability to put them and a presidential candidate in the same article is not a good thing.

While your support is appreciated, you need to realize that Ron Paul is running for the nomination of the Republican Party - the party of mini-vans, Evangelical Christians, country-clubbers, NASCAR dads and soccer moms. Despite what you think, the insertion of your crowd into a mainstream party is minimal. Paul being constantly attached to these fringe groups is only going to hurt his chances with the 99% of Republicans who don't act, look and think like you do.

You neocons shills, over the hill bushrats jumping ship, the backwater yokel repubs who want to shove their agenda up everybody's butt, the conserva-fake whiners..all of you that do not have a life nor do not undestand American people need to realize your days are over, You need to evolve. You can no longer get away with your fake 1950's alcoholic laden vision of America. Furthermore the party of mini-vans, Evangelical Christians, country-clubbers, NASCAR dads and soccer moms is now the party of Americans. If they do not fit that description I suggest they grow a new pair, stop their prejudicial BS and realize they ain't all that and a bunch of roses. They are the exact same as everybody else, Probably their drinking of diet cokes makes them far stupider as far as actual full neural function than a pot smoker.

People like the abderite that wrote the above need to realize. Your bluster and fume of a stance holds no weight nor water. Your kind got us into this Iraq and WOT shit and insanely massive debt. You will be held responsible. We are taking your party over so you can no longer besmirch the Americans good name amongst the other peoples of the world. We will show you what it means to be a REAL American and it ain't all the phony trivia and flashing that accompany your description of a "loyal party member"

Scares the livin' shit out of them I tell ya..

Regards
Randy

Meatwasp
11-04-2007, 06:56 AM
Yawn,
This will not be a violent revolution we will fight it with PAPER bullets that translate, Dollars!!!!

tfelice
11-04-2007, 07:00 AM
Randy

The fringe is at best 1-2% of Americans. You cannot win a national election when the majority of your support comes from an extremely small minority of people - just ask the Libertarian Party.

You cannot "take over a party" when your numbers are so small. And you surely cannot change the hearts and minds of the majority by telling people they need to "grow a new pair". Your anger and immaturity is only going to ensure you have a permanent minority status.

If you truly want to win the election, and change the course of history you need to do so prudently. Marching the streets in tye-dyes, 911 shirts and V for Vendetta masks isn't going to do it. The American people will reject the message before it even gets heard.

jarmoore
11-04-2007, 07:02 AM
Just grow up. I'm so sick of everyone whining about every little thing they don't fully agree with. None of it makes any difference. The only thing that is going to make any difference is when RP gets a giant boost in donations on Nov. 5. 99% of Americans don't even know who Guy Fawkes is or care what Nov. 5 is about.Then that's even more dangerous. They will eat up exactly what the MSM tells them Nov. 5 is all about.

Brinck Slattery
11-04-2007, 08:31 AM
Tucker Carlson called Ron Paul supporters "even more out there than I thought" when Joel Stein informed him about the November 5 "Guy Fawkes fundraiser" (as he called it).

tfelice
11-04-2007, 08:52 AM
Tucker Carlson called Ron Paul supporters "even more out there than I thought" when Joel Stein informed him about the November 5 "Guy Fawkes fundraiser" (as he called it).

It's amazing how the actions of a minority of Paul's supporters can effect the campaign and the rest of us. It just goes to show some how much power the media has and how they can shape a story to fit their agenda.

kahless
11-04-2007, 09:31 AM
It's amazing how the actions of a minority of Paul's supporters can effect the campaign and the rest of us. It just goes to show some how much power the media has and how they can shape a story to fit their agenda.

The anarchists and V people have no concern for Paul's electability otherwise they would not being continually trying to derail his campaign. Time magazine has already picked up on it.

They risk having this play out as bad as when Buchanan was falsely accused of being a Nazi sympathizer and therefore subsequently derailing his campaign after New Hamsphire. In Pauls case I hope it does not play out the same way with the media accusing him of being an Anarchist due to these clowns dressing up-supporting this V association.

The V crew could very well enable a Guiliani vs Hillary in 2008.

NinjaPirate
11-04-2007, 09:44 AM
The anarchists and V people have no concern for Paul's electability otherwise they would not being continually trying to derail his campaign. Time magazine has already picked up on it.

They risk having this play out as bad as when Buchanan was falsely accused of being a Nazi sympathizer and therefore subsequently derailing his campaign after New Hamsphire. In Pauls case I hope it does not play out the same way with the media accusing him of being an Anarchist due to these clowns dressing up-supporting this V association.

The V crew could very well enable a Guiliani vs Hillary in 2008.

Oh really? If you're going to use that Time article in order to to slant your views on why this fund raiser is such a bad idea, then I suggest that you read this article posted by ABC News. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/11/ron-pauls-gunpo.html Then after you're done with that, educate yourselves by reading this thread http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=30959

Why don't all you naysaying crybaby lame-tards make your own forum elsewhere, start a "My Little Pony" themed fundraiser and sing Kumbaya? Irritating the sh!t out of us is the only thing you a$$holes have accomplished.

tfelice
11-04-2007, 09:54 AM
Why don't all you naysaying crybaby lame-tards make your own forum elsewhere, start a "My Little Pony" themed fundraiser and sing Kumbaya? Irritating the sh!t out of us is the only thing you a$$holes have accomplished.

It's funny how some people feel the need to resort to name-calling & profanity. It just goes to show how little class some people have.

Your anger & immaturity not only reflects poorly on the grassroots movement, but is destined to cause some people to think twice about getting involved.

NinjaPirate
11-04-2007, 10:31 AM
Blah blah blah blah blah blah piss and moan blah blah blah blah blah

I hope what I say discourages whiners to consider joining. They contribute nothing useful other than to nitpick every little negative aspect of a potentially great idea.

ItsTime
11-04-2007, 10:58 AM
if Ron Paul doesnt think its bad why should any of you????
To voice out against the 5th you are being counter productive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

kahless
11-04-2007, 11:36 AM
I hope what I say discourages whiners to consider joining. They contribute nothing useful other than to nitpick every little negative aspect of a potentially great idea.

Well at least you have made your true intentions clear. To discourage contributions and potential supporters from joining the campaign. Like I said in the earlier post "The anarchists and V people have no concern for Paul's electability". It is for the purpose of driving their own agenda and not Pauls.

The non-agenda driven V people show in the immaturity of their responses that either they have not been around long enough to have witnessed the effect the media has had on previous campaigns nor have they spent the time to study past election history. I have been through enough of these campaigns to have seen it first hand time and time again. It is not just the Time article as Tucker has already picked up on this as well has comments elsewhere. The responses are a perfect example of supporters that media is seizing upon to destroy the campaign.

The media now has far more material against Paul because of his supporters than Buchanan did in previous campaigns. All Pat did was write a history fact book where the media took his words out of context to make it look like he supported Hitler. After winning the New Hampshire primary the media seized upon this effectively eliminating any chance to win additional primaries.

NinjaPirate
11-04-2007, 11:56 AM
Well at least you have made your true intentions clear. To discourage contributions and potential supporters from joining the campaign. Like I said in the earlier post "The anarchists and V people have no concern for Paul's electability". It is for the purpose of driving their own agenda and not Pauls.

The non-agenda driven V people show in the immaturity of their responses that either they have not been around long enough to have witnessed the effect the media has had on previous campaigns nor have they spent the time to study past election history. I have been through enough of these campaigns to have seen it first hand time and time again. It is not just the Time article as Tucker has already picked up on this as well has comments elsewhere. The responses are a perfect example of supporters that media is seizing upon to destroy the campaign.

The media now has far more material against Paul because of his supporters than Buchanan did in previous campaigns. All Pat did was write a history fact book where the media took his words out of context to make it look like he supported Hitler. After winning the New Hampshire primary the media seized upon this effectively eliminating any chance to win additional primaries.


Yeah, I'm an anarchist because I'm telling the whiners to shut their pie-hole. :rolleyes:

So, with all this history you're full of, when did a candidate go down due to the actions of their supporters? Buchanan went down because HIS actions were misconstrued.

kahless
11-04-2007, 12:20 PM
when did a candidate go down due to the actions of their supporters? Buchanan went down because HIS actions were misconstrued.

They are already clearly trying to make the association between "some" supporter views as if they are Paul's views.

NinjaPirate
11-04-2007, 12:21 PM
They are already clearly trying to make the association between supporter views as if they are Paul's views.


Please elaborate....

And, did you even read the ABC article on this????

kahless
11-04-2007, 12:23 PM
if Ron Paul doesnt think its bad why should any of you????
To voice out against the 5th you are being counter productive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzKDBv5QkI

I for one are not against target date fund raising on November 5th. I just believe any association with the Guy Fawkes and V should be toned down or forgotten about. People are just not smart enough (including the MSM) to get it and will create the wrong perception in the long run.

NinjaPirate
11-04-2007, 12:37 PM
I for one are not against target date fund raising on November 5th. I just believe any association with the Guy Fawkes and V should be toned down or forgotten about. People are just not smart enough (including the MSM) to get it and will create the wrong perception in the long run.

Did you even read the ABC article on this????

Mastiff
11-04-2007, 05:22 PM
For the record, I signed up for the money bomb without knowing there were any particular implications of November 5th. I'm sure tons of people are in the same boat. People shouldn't read much into the date.

fightfortruth
11-04-2007, 07:19 PM
I just wanted to let everyone know that in case the official website goes down tomorrow, there is a number to call so you can still donate:

There is a chance that the servers will be overwhelmed by the
tremendous amount of online traffic. In that instance you can also donate by
calling:

1-877-RON-2008 or 1-877-766-2008

ChrisM
11-04-2007, 08:52 PM
Who the hell in America knows who Guy Fawkes is? The media isn't explaining the gunpowder plot and just assuming that people know who Guy Fawkes is, which just isn't true at all. Most people will think "I vaguely remember that poem from V from Vendetta -- that was a cool movie."