View Full Version : 3 Major Reason to Have a Home Garden in 2011 and 2012!
knarf
07-24-2011, 04:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-whrYjPdPw
Sam I am
07-24-2011, 05:04 PM
corn is still one of the cheapest substances we produce. The prices were kept artificially low for years. It's so low that people synthesize it into gasoline nowadays.
steph3n
07-24-2011, 05:04 PM
I have a garden, with multiple tomato vines like trees, big and healthy but no fruit. any tips? :)
pcosmar
07-24-2011, 05:06 PM
I have a garden, with multiple tomato vines like trees, big and healthy but no fruit. any tips? :)
Patience. It's early yet.
steph3n
07-24-2011, 05:20 PM
Patience. It's early yet.
The Jalapeno's are putting out heavy with some heat, love em!
Bruno
07-24-2011, 05:25 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
pcosmar
07-24-2011, 05:30 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
Seasoned and stuffed.
Fire up the grill.
Bruno
07-24-2011, 05:36 PM
Seasoned and stuffed.
Fire up the grill.
Yeah, i wish, but we are in the city and i don't think we can get an urban bow hunt here.
knarf
07-24-2011, 06:29 PM
buy long term food
Carehn
07-24-2011, 06:31 PM
I have a garden, with multiple tomato vines like trees, big and healthy but no fruit. any tips? :)
Some say a lack of water will force them to fruit but i don't like that because its bound to stunt the overall yeald. I myself have about 25 tomato plants. I suggest you learn to can.
amy31416
07-24-2011, 07:04 PM
buy long term food
Fruit trees, nut trees, berry bushes and other perennials that produce food are an excellent place to start.
roho76
07-24-2011, 08:10 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
Seasoned and stuffed.
Fire up the grill. :)
VBRonPaulFan
07-24-2011, 09:23 PM
my brother started a garden in my parents backyard this spring. he planted a ton of shit. tomatoes, several types of peppers (me and him are huge into hot sauce), eggplants, etc. it's doing freaking amazing. pretty cool to check it out whenever i go over there. apparently ladybugs are key for keeping the pests away :D
headhawg7
07-24-2011, 10:40 PM
I live in arkansas and where I live it has been over 100 degrees everyday for more than 20 days CONSECUTIVE breaking a record going back 77 years. The previous record was 17 days. The town in which I live had a 20 minute shower that dried up very quickly a couple weeks ago. Not a drop two weeks before that and not a drop since. I can't remember it being this brutally hot. Anyways, I do have a small garden that I have to constantly water and having real trouble with my tomatoes. The peppers and cucumbers are OK but the tomatoes not so much. I have to water my bermuda grass just about everyday to keep it from dying. It is real green right now but I mow it every 3 days and water heavily every couple days. I bet my water bill will approach $1000 this month alone. I hope it rains soon.
gerryb
07-25-2011, 01:05 AM
I have to water my bermuda grass just about everyday to keep it from dying. It is real green right now but I mow it every 3 days and water heavily every couple days. I bet my water bill will approach $1000 this month alone. I hope it rains soon.
That's some expensive sod.
Anyone look into permaculture or the work being done at Polyface farms for sustainable farming practices?
libertyjam
07-25-2011, 05:21 AM
I have a garden, with multiple tomato vines like trees, big and healthy but no fruit. any tips? :)
Night time temperatures have to get below 75 degrees to get available vines to bear fruit
libertyjam
07-25-2011, 05:46 AM
I I have to water my bermuda grass just about everyday to keep it from dying. It is real green right now but I mow it every 3 days and water heavily every couple days. I bet my water bill will approach $1000 this month alone. I hope it rains soon.
Standard Bermuda really can stand quite a bit of drought and make it. It can go completely brown in the summer and still come back strong with water and rains.
You shouldn't have to water more than once or twice a week and it will stay reasonable green, may not be as thick and lush as you want it but you are in drought. If it starts getting a darker brown than light straw then you know the roots are dying and you need to get some water on it, it also when watered spreads so fast that damaged spots can be quickly grown over when watered again. With a little water Bermuda and Coastal actually thrive on this weather, these grasses like it hot and very warm soil temperatures, and if watered correctly send roots and risomes down deep. Most people water their grass way too much.
Tomatoes I have nursed through the summer for fall production and they do take watering quite a bit, they can be helped greatly from the heat by using floating row cover, a fine mesh that gives them partial shade during the intense part of the day but still allows them to get 8 hours or more of sunlight. It will help with water consumption as well. A grand cousin of mine grows in Arkansas and he plants early, gets great spring production from his tomatoes, potatoes, cabbage, cukes, etc. His tomatoe plants by the middle of May to first of June are huge.
libertyjam
07-25-2011, 05:51 AM
Some say a lack of water will force them to fruit but i don't like that because its bound to stunt the overall yeald. I myself have about 25 tomato plants. I suggest you learn to can.
I think that is a an old wives tale, basically some bunk as it couldn't be an old wives tales as old wives probably know better but I couldn't think of another polite way to say it.
pacelli
07-25-2011, 05:52 AM
Anyone look into permaculture or the work being done at Polyface farms for sustainable farming practices?
I employ permaculture principles in my gardening & site design.
Joel Salatin's approach at Polyface farm is highly dependent upon livestock. In areas he needs to cultivate that are forested, he lets the pigs do the hard work.
Another brilliant mind in the sustainable farming world is Sepp Holzer in Austria. Check out his video on youtube, "Farming with Nature".
YumYum
07-25-2011, 05:57 AM
Why don't we have a series of "Ron Paul for President Farmer's Markets" throughout the country? We could attract a lot of new voters.
I'm going to have more corn than I know what to do with, and there are a bunch of Ron Paul supporters over on The Daily Paul who are going to have bumper crops.
oyarde
07-25-2011, 11:37 AM
I put out a garden this year for , probably the following reasons 1. I am a tight ass and anything I grow does not have to be bought. 2. My girlfriend gets a big kick out of it ( easy brownie points that last all summer ) . 3. The green beans , tomatos are so much better . 4. I want to make sure I have not forgotten how to grow , forage all the food needed and that my kids know how in case they are faced with a situation where that is required ( Likely , looking at the debt/ Fed budget ).
Napoleon's Shadow
07-25-2011, 12:18 PM
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pcosmar
07-25-2011, 01:03 PM
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knarf
07-25-2011, 04:05 PM
bump
PineGroveDave
07-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Anyone look into permaculture or the work being done at Polyface farms for sustainable farming practices?
We have and are now employing permaculture strategies in our gardens. We're doing all heirlooms...6 different tomatoes, 8 different peppers, 6 different beans, 4 different squash, 4 different corn, 2 different cukes, salad greens, onions, eggplant...and 6 different strains of pot.
We've also established a business relationship with a local rancher for organic, grass fed beef now. we'll be buying a cow sometime later this year. Until then, she's selling us boxes...grass fed, organic beef tastes so much better. I've never had it until last week...wow.
puppetmaster
07-25-2011, 05:05 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
try using moth balls around the perimeter. It will repel rodents and deer.
dannno
07-25-2011, 05:38 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
Mix some cayenne pepper with water and spray your plants. The deer will leave your shit alone.
pacelli
07-25-2011, 06:11 PM
I present to you the Mollison-inspired, hugelkultur-based Herb spiral (logs not yet added):
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6106/dsc0257cz.jpg
And planted:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6568/dsc0288m.jpg
dannno
07-25-2011, 06:18 PM
I present to you the Mollison-inspired, hugelkultur-based Herb spiral (logs not yet added):
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6106/dsc0257cz.jpg
And planted:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6568/dsc0288m.jpg
Why?
Is it just for decoration?
libertyjam
07-25-2011, 06:25 PM
I love how the bricks look red in one pic and orange in the next one. :)
Carehn
07-25-2011, 07:04 PM
I think that is a an old wives tale, basically some bunk as it couldn't be an old wives tales as old wives probably know better but I couldn't think of another polite way to say it.
You may be right.
PineGroveDave
07-25-2011, 08:30 PM
I present to you the Mollison-inspired, hugelkultur-based Herb spiral (logs not yet added): Wow, we too are getting ready to do hugelkultur. Kinda surprised to find others who even know what it is....very cool.
oyarde
07-26-2011, 10:25 AM
I present to you the Mollison-inspired, hugelkultur-based Herb spiral (logs not yet added):
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6106/dsc0257cz.jpg
And planted:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6568/dsc0288m.jpg
Cool , like a little tower of Babel with solar lights .
pacelli
07-26-2011, 03:51 PM
Why?
Is it just for decoration?
No, it has several benefits. As a spiral, i am compressing several square feet of space into vertical square feet. The vertical aspect allows me to plant herbs such as rosemary, ashwaghanda, lavender, and basil, toward the top- these thrive in dry conditions. Oregano also appreciates some dry soil. Heading down the ramp we see french tarragon, yarrow (used to attract beneficial insects), chives (which thrive in partial shade provided by the raised area of the spiral), and on the more moist, lower end, dill and marigolds. I still haven't planted my watercress seeds in the small water feature at the base of the spiral, but ideally this will hold a fish that will be eating mosquito eggs. I used Mollison's design in Permaculture 2, and added some of my own ideas.
Not to mention that if I want to go out in the morning, in my slippers, to harvest some herbs for my omelet, I don't need to stand in dirt. I can just lean over the herb spiral, snip away what I want, and go back in the kitchen without tracking mud through the house. This spiral is near my back door.
I decided to combine the concept of a permaculture herb spiral with hugelkultur because I had all of these bricks on hand (they were stored for about 10 years less than 15 feet away from this location, under a deck). The wood for the hugelkultur bed was well rotted and primed to attract water. The previous homeowner already cut it, and most of the wood was turned into humus. Perfect for a permaculture project.
Incidentally the reason the bricks look a different color in the 2 pictures is because I took them at different times of day. Picture one was taken approximately 2 hours before sunset; picture two was taken at approximately 11am, facing east. I'm using a Canon D5000 for pics to really bring out those colors, too :)
I also made (2) permaculture-influenced hugulkultur asparagus beds in my perennial garden (near the grape vines).
The new bat house is approximately 100ft away from the herb spiral. I'm hoping that the lights on the herb spiral will attract mosquitoes at night, making the location an ideal habitat for bats.
pacelli
07-26-2011, 03:55 PM
Cool , like a little tower of Babel with solar lights .
Hah, well I didn't think of any biblical references. I just wanted multiple benefits if I was going to do so much work.
Carehn
07-26-2011, 06:31 PM
That spiral is way cool but you are no mason. Not that it matters.
pacelli
07-26-2011, 06:51 PM
That spiral is way cool but you are no mason. Not that it matters.
No doubt about it. I didn't want to be confused with those that are, 'of the craft'. :)
PineGroveDave
07-26-2011, 07:16 PM
No, it has several benefits. As a spiral, i am compressing several square feet of space into vertical square feet. The vertical aspect allows me to plant herbs such as rosemary, ashwaghanda, lavender, and basil, toward the top- these thrive in dry conditions. Oregano also appreciates some dry soil. Heading down the ramp we see french tarragon, yarrow (used to attract beneficial insects), chives (which thrive in partial shade provided by the raised area of the spiral), and on the more moist, lower end, dill and marigolds. I still haven't planted my watercress seeds in the small water feature at the base of the spiral, but ideally this will hold a fish that will be eating mosquito eggs. I used Mollison's design in Permaculture 2, and added some of my own ideas.
Not to mention that if I want to go out in the morning, in my slippers, to harvest some herbs for my omelet, I don't need to stand in dirt. I can just lean over the herb spiral, snip away what I want, and go back in the kitchen without tracking mud through the house. This spiral is near my back door.
I decided to combine the concept of a permaculture herb spiral with hugelkultur because I had all of these bricks on hand (they were stored for about 10 years less than 15 feet away from this location, under a deck). The wood for the hugelkultur bed was well rotted and primed to attract water. The previous homeowner already cut it, and most of the wood was turned into humus. Perfect for a permaculture project.
Incidentally the reason the bricks look a different color in the 2 pictures is because I took them at different times of day. Picture one was taken approximately 2 hours before sunset; picture two was taken at approximately 11am, facing east. I'm using a Canon D5000 for pics to really bring out those colors, too :)
I also made (2) permaculture-influenced hugulkultur asparagus beds in my perennial garden (near the grape vines).
The new bat house is approximately 100ft away from the herb spiral. I'm hoping that the lights on the herb spiral will attract mosquitoes at night, making the location an ideal habitat for bats.
Very nice. I'm in the process of bucking up a 140ft+ pine tree that I felled last summer (sucker is still leaching out water!!) and we'll be using all the limbs for our hugulkultur. When I told my wife that someone over here was doing it, she was impressed since whenever we mention the term we're usually met with blank stares. LOL!
Carehn
07-26-2011, 07:23 PM
No doubt about it. I didn't want to be confused with those that are, 'of the craft'. :)
Don't know why i even posted that. lol Very cool idea in keeping some dry and some moist. I may have to do something like it.
pacelli
07-28-2011, 06:44 AM
Very nice. I'm in the process of bucking up a 140ft+ pine tree that I felled last summer (sucker is still leaching out water!!) and we'll be using all the limbs for our hugulkultur. When I told my wife that someone over here was doing it, she was impressed since whenever we mention the term we're usually met with blank stares. LOL!
I'm really impressed with hugelkultur so far. I watered the hugel-asparagus beds ONCE just to get the cover and support seeds started, and the crowns are already coming up. I've read Sepp Holzer's book and am completely sold. Hopefully will be visiting Tamera ecovillage in Portugal this summer, where Sepp consulted for their hugel-based vegetable system.
Here's one of the hugel-asparagus beds in creation (the baggie has fresh worm castings that I planted underneath the crowns, on top of the logs)
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5805/dsc0248ak.jpg
knarf
07-28-2011, 06:30 PM
nice!
headhawg7
07-28-2011, 08:46 PM
I live in arkansas and where I live it has been over 100 degrees everyday for more than 20 days CONSECUTIVE breaking a record going back 77 years. The previous record was 17 days. The town in which I live had a 20 minute shower that dried up very quickly a couple weeks ago. Not a drop two weeks before that and not a drop since. I can't remember it being this brutally hot. Anyways, I do have a small garden that I have to constantly water and having real trouble with my tomatoes. The peppers and cucumbers are OK but the tomatoes not so much. I have to water my bermuda grass just about everyday to keep it from dying. It is real green right now but I mow it every 3 days and water heavily every couple days. I bet my water bill will approach $1000 this month alone. I hope it rains soon.
We FINALLY got some rain. It rained for about 10 minutes. :(
Every lit bit helps I guess. I don't think it reached 100 today which breaks the record of 24 or 25 days straight. However...the heat is supposed to return again tomorrow.
Legend1104
07-28-2011, 09:03 PM
We planted this year too. I am sick of Squash and cucumbers. They wont stop producing. My bellpeppers and tomatoes are not too great, my okra is now going crazy producing, my corn did well but is now all dead, and my peas are pretty good.
I really really want to get apple and plum trees this winter.
I also have blackberry bushes and walnuts growing on my property. They have been here since I first moved onto the property. I want to make a blackberry pie when they start producing.
I live in arkansas and where I live it has been over 100 degrees everyday for more than 20 days CONSECUTIVE breaking a record going back 77 years. The previous record was 17 days. The town in which I live had a 20 minute shower that dried up very quickly a couple weeks ago. Not a drop two weeks before that and not a drop since. I can't remember it being this brutally hot. Anyways, I do have a small garden that I have to constantly water and having real trouble with my tomatoes. The peppers and cucumbers are OK but the tomatoes not so much. I have to water my bermuda grass just about everyday to keep it from dying. It is real green right now but I mow it every 3 days and water heavily every couple days. I bet my water bill will approach $1000 this month alone. I hope it rains soon.
Is it really possible to kill bermuda grass?? The only worse thing is Johnson grass, which is thriving all around me (not on my land, thank goodness) despite a very long, very hot drought. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. I never water the grass. What a waste of valuable garden space. All my efforts WRT the grass are to kill it off!! I hope my bermuda dies out, it is a real pest in the garden, tries to take over everything. The only grasses I encourage are orchard and timothy and those only because the animals love them, and they don't try to take over the whole place like bermuda does.
We've not had much luck with the tomatoes this year so far. The plants are growing like crazy but it's been too hot for them to make any fruits. Same goes for the squashes. The melons are doing well - many large globes almost ready to pick - as are the cukes which have produced bushels already. These all get watered a lot.
I really really want to get apple and plum trees this winter.
I also have blackberry bushes and walnuts growing on my property. They have been here since I first moved onto the property. I want to make a blackberry pie when they start producing.
There were three large peach trees on my place when I moved in. The peaches are not ripening this year. I guess the heat and drought have something to do with it. I was very hopeful for a good crop of peaches this year. We were very lucky they survived a couple of frosts in the spring. We had the wettest spring I've ever seen, and now the longest drought with the most heat. The whole blackberry patch did nothing. Last year we got maybe 50 lbs. of berries, and this year with twice as many stalks, no berries at all. They just dry up instead of ripening. I've never seen anything like it. The patch doesn't even get all-day sun.
I want a Japanese apricot - prunus mume.
grass fed, organic beef tastes so much better. I've never had it until last week...wow.
Hey if you think that's good you ought to try buffalo. I don't like beef very much but I love buffalo. If I could afford it, I would eat it more than once or twice a year.
GreenBulldog
07-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Neighbor pulled in the driveway and caught five deer munching on my peppers, tomatoes, and beans last night. :(
Screw the veggies! I'm going to make a garden to use as bait!
headhawg7
07-29-2011, 12:26 AM
Is it really possible to kill bermuda grass?? The only worse thing is Johnson grass, which is thriving all around me (not on my land, thank goodness) despite a very long, very hot drought. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. I never water the grass. What a waste of valuable garden space. All my efforts WRT the grass are to kill it off!! I hope my bermuda dies out, it is a real pest in the garden, tries to take over everything. The only grasses I encourage are orchard and timothy and those only because the animals love them, and they don't try to take over the whole place like bermuda does.
We've not had much luck with the tomatoes this year so far. The plants are growing like crazy but it's been too hot for them to make any fruits. Same goes for the squashes. The melons are doing well - many large globes almost ready to pick - as are the cukes which have produced bushels already. These all get watered a lot.
Yeah it starts to die if there is no water for a long while with severe heat. Most of the time it goes dormant if there is no water but this summer where we live it has been SOOOOO hot for SOOOO long with no water for well over a month. We have only had maybe 15 minutes of light rain in 2 months. I have a spot on the side of my house where I rarely go and have not watered and it is dead and basically turned to dirt. I will have to have it re-sod next spring. They say it may rain saturday most of the day. My fingers are crossed and my vegetable garden needs it also.
Yeah it starts to die if there is no water for a long while with severe heat. Most of the time it goes dormant if there is no water but this summer where we live it has been SOOOOO hot for SOOOO long with no water for well over a month. We have only had maybe 15 minutes of light rain in 2 months. I have a spot on the side of my house where I rarely go and have not watered and it is dead and basically turned to dirt. I will have to have it re-sod next spring. They say it may rain saturday most of the day. My fingers are crossed and my vegetable garden needs it also.
The grass here is crisping... But I have burned the land many times trying to get rid of the bermuda and guess what, bermuda is the one thing that comes right back. I assume it is immortal. Around here we call it "demon grass".
headhawg7
07-29-2011, 01:43 AM
The grass here is crisping... But I have burned the land many times trying to get rid of the bermuda and guess what, bermuda is the one thing that comes right back. I assume it is immortal. Around here we call it "demon grass".
I see you are in SW mizzou? I have been through there more times than I can count. I used to go to a small town called Noel all the time. Pretty little town with nice creek running right through the middle. I used to live close to the mizzou arkansas border just south of bella vista. Anyways...yeah if it is dry enough for long enough mixed with the extreme heat it dies...at least in my yard. Now if I have a bare spot all I do is water it and the root system from the nearby bermuda will always seem to find it if it is reasonably close. It is hardy though but I really like it to be green and that's why I water it so much. If nothing else it is keeping up with the jones' so to speak.
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