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moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 11:01 AM
Various News sources today are covering different parts of the so called Manifesto of the alleged Oslo terrorist. Below are some excerpts:



Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:27pm IST

(Reuters) - A 1,500-page manifesto published on the Internet by Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian arrested for the killing of at least 93 people, sets out his reasons for Friday's bomb and gun attacks.

Police confirmed that Breivik published the English language document on Friday only hours before the killings. Here are some excerpts from the document entitled "2083 - A European Declaration of Independence":

IDEOLOGY:
* "As we all know, the root of Europe's problems is the lack of cultural self-confidence (nationalism). Most people are still terrified of nationalistic political doctrines thinking that if we ever embrace these principles again, new "Hitler's" will suddenly pop up and initiate global Armageddon ... This irrational fear of nationalistic doctrines is preventing us from stopping our own national/cultural suicide as the Islamic colonisation is increasing annually ... You cannot defeat Islamisation or halt/reverse the Islamic colonisation of Western Europe without first removing the political doctrines manifested through multiculturalism/cultural Marxism."


EVOLUTION:
* "For me, personally, it was my government's involvement in the attacks on Serbia."

* "It was completely unacceptable how the U.S. and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers. All they (the Serbs) wanted was to drive out Islam by deporting the Albanian Muslims back to Albania."

* "I've spent a total of 9 years of my life working on this project."

* Around year 2000 I realised that the democratic struggle against the Islamisation of Europe, European multiculturalism was lost. It had gone too far ... 40 years of dialogue with the cultural Marxists/multiculturalists had ended up as a disaster. It would now only take 50-70 years before we, the Europeans are in a minority. As soon as I realised this I decided to explore alternative forms of opposition. Protesting is saying that you disagree. Resistance is saying you will put a stop to this. I decided I wanted to join the resistance movement.

* I came in contact with Serbian cultural conservatives through the internet. This initial contact would eventually result in my contact with several key individuals all over Europe and the forming of the group who would later establish the military order and tribunal ... Knights Templar."

* There have been several issues that have reaffirmed my beliefs since then. Among them; my governments cowardly handling of the Muhammad Cartoon issue and their decision to award the Nobel peace prize to an Islamic terrorist (Arafat) and appeasers of Islam. There have been tens of other issues."


EXECUTION:

* "If you are unwilling or incapable of killing women due to the principles of chivalry you should probably steer away completely from the armed resistance movements and should probably consider creating yet another right wing blog instead."

* "Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike. Explain what you have done (in an announcement distributed prior to operation) and make certain that everyone understands that we, the free peoples of Europe, are going to strike again and again."

* "Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner ... Some innocent will die in our operations as they are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Get used (to) the idea. The needs of the many will always surpass the needs of the few.



http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/24/idINIndia-58424820110724


Breivik, Rightist Mass Murderer, Hates Muslims, Loves Pam Geller

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/22/rightist-wreaks-terror-through-norway/


* Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that oppose nationalism/Zionism and support multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists….So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE, while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP. Whenever I discuss the Middle East issue with a national socialist he presents the anti-Israeli and pro-Palestine argument. He always seem unaware of the fact that his propaganda is hurting Israeli nationalists (who want to deport the Muslims from Israel) and that he is in fact helping the Israeli cultural Marxists/multiculturalists with his argumentation.



Outside Israel, he also follows the writing of Pam Geller, Robert Spencer (referenced 46 times in the Breivik manifesto) and Daniel Pipes (11 times).

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/23/anders-breivik-norwegian-terror-suspect-admirer-of-israel-avigdor-lieberman/

Yesterday somebody had posted here link to blog of Pam Geller who is cited above as someone whose writings Oslo terror suspect followed along with those of Robert Spencer. Writings on Pam Geller's blog I read seem similar in ideological strain to that of Oslo terror suspect (anti muslim, pro Israel, pro zionism type) but more extreme in tone compared to ideological articulation of Breivik that has some intellectual component. A strange posse of commentators seems to follows her blogs going by comments there. One below her "Oslo Jihad ..." article read they deserved it because of Norway's anti Israel stance. Others were less extreme but pretty inflamtory. However to be clear there was no indication in blogs I read that Geller herself advocated or endorsed acts of terror as passionate or even inflamatory at times her rhetoric gets in her anti muslim, pro Israel crusade.

Looking at claim in above manifesto that alleged Oslo terrorist had established contacts across Europe and earlier reports that he wanted to bring group like EDL to Norway, won't be surprised if US agencies are checking out other followers of Pam Geller's writings for signs of any other potential violent evolutions among her fan base. Pam Geller with Spencer or herself had hosted British group EDL in New York, her blog could be an ideological hub of interest for other potential Breivik's around Europe or in US.

Brian4Liberty
07-24-2011, 11:14 AM
The politics behind this mass murder are meaningless when it comes to the actual murders. This lunatic did this for publicity. For attention. He could have been advocating the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's like the Unibomber getting his "Manifesto" published, or Jared Laughner killing people. These people have true mental disorders, and being sociopathic murderers is probably just part of it. They also have delusions of grandeur.

moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 11:24 AM
No doubt a mentally healthy human would never deliberately target innocent people and his ideological stances/execution are not logically coherent. But if reports are to be believed, he makes it very clear that he has a political purpose and goes to great lengths to establish that. Is he lying about his motivations and objectives? I doubt that unless news reports are fabricated.

amy31416
07-24-2011, 11:27 AM
Call me naive, but I won't condemn Pam Geller for the actions of this psychopath, unless she actually aided him in some way. And I think Pam Geller is a genocide-promoting, war-happy psychopath herself.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 11:27 AM
The politics behind this mass murder are meaningless when it comes to the actual murders. This lunatic did this for publicity. For attention. He could have been advocating the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's like the Unibomber getting his "Manifesto" published, or Jared Laughner killing people. These people have true mental disorders, and being sociopathic murderers is probably just part of it. They also have delusions of grandeur.

either that, or they are brainwashed, manipulated meat puppets.
In which case they have no motivations other than what was given them in conditioning. And anything they may think or say is irrelevant.

moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 11:33 AM
Call me naive, but I won't condemn Pam Geller for the actions of this psychopath, unless she actually aided him in some way. And I think Pam Geller is a genocide-promoting, war-happy psychopath herself.

Agreed.

Brian4Liberty
07-24-2011, 11:43 AM
No doubt a mentally healthy human would never deliberately target innocent people and his ideological stances/execution are not logically coherent. But if reports are to be believed, he makes it very clear that he has a political purpose and goes to great lengths to establish that. Is he lying about his motivations and objectives? I doubt that unless news reports are fabricated.

Well, every psycho has their reasoning. No reason to doubt at this point, other than the media getting the facts wrong, which they often do. And the slight possibility of fabricated manifestos.

On the other hand, you can look at what makes people believe that violence and murder of innocent people are acceptable. This guy apparently was obsessed with the Crusades. Many Muslims are also brainwashed in Madrasahs about the Crusades and a need to continue an ages old battle. Some of them then go and kill innocent people, just as this guy did. Does an ancient history lesson, pounded into your head enough, make it acceptable to walk out and kill your neighbors? At what point does it become "war", where all of a sudden innocent deaths are considered necessary collateral damage? Compare and contrast this mass-murderer with Barack Obama (and those who support constant wars), who send out predator drones to kill people, often with innocent bystander deaths, in undeclared wars which in reality are more like global law enforcement operations with no due process and no trial. They just identify potential terrorists, and blow them and anyone nearby to pieces. Innocent collateral deaths are just a statistic.

moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 12:08 PM
Good points, hard to disagree with point you made. As to wars violence, I would put Obama in same camp as Bush.

Brian4Liberty
07-24-2011, 12:56 PM
Call me naive, but I won't condemn Pam Geller for the actions of this psychopath, unless she actually aided him in some way. And I think Pam Geller is a genocide-promoting, war-happy psychopath herself.

Back to the OP topic, I don't know anything about Geller, but her name might be vaguely familiar. Does she do guest appearances on any (radio) shows?

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-24-2011, 02:04 PM
Back to the OP topic, I don't know anything about Geller, but her name might be vaguely familiar. Does she do guest appearances on any (radio) shows?

Heard she was a vampire hunter. :D

moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Knights Templar
The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Latin: Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici), commonly known as the Knights Templar, the Order of the Temple (French: Ordre du Temple or Templiers) or simply as Templars, were among the most famous of the Western Christian military orders.[3] The organization existed for approximately two centuries in the Middle Ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

So this guy saw himself as a "soldier of christ"?
That was one messed up soldier he proved himself to be.




Back to the OP topic, I don't know anything about Geller, but her name might be vaguely familiar. Does she do guest appearances on any (radio) shows?

Don't know but she has appeared on this Robert Spencer dude if that helps.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/ZZ34C3F20B.jpg

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37547_Pamela_Geller_and_Robert_Spencers_EDL_Allies _Condemned_by_Union_of_Jewish_Students

Bordillo
07-24-2011, 11:41 PM
if you could kill 10 innocent children to save 10000 innocent adults would you?

lets add a twist and say that afterwards you will be labeled a psycho and the 10000 innocents will never know that you prevented their impending demise, still interested?

FreedomProsperityPeace
07-25-2011, 12:29 AM
Back to the OP topic, I don't know anything about Geller, but her name might be vaguely familiar. Does she do guest appearances on any (radio) shows?I've seen her on Fox News a few times.

Brian4Liberty
07-25-2011, 10:52 AM
I've seen her on Fox News a few times.

Maybe I've seen her on there. I was thinking it might have been a radio show like Hannity, Levin or Savage.

pcosmar
07-25-2011, 10:59 AM
What evidence is there (at all) that this guy wrote this "Manifesto"? Perhaps a ghost (spook) writer?
What likelihood is there that it is as fake as the Photoshopped pictures?

AuH20
07-25-2011, 11:01 AM
Western europe is lost. I don't understand why this guy has to go on a murderous rampage of innocents in order to embark on a futile mission. Secondly, he should have reserved his angst for the elites as opposed to the foreign hordes, which are a secondary concern ATM. Stop the elites who are pulling the strings and you stop the multicultural debasement of the civilization.

Cowlesy
07-25-2011, 11:14 AM
I agree with Amy that it is unfair to pin any of that psycho's actions to Pam Geller or Robert Spencer, or even arch-neoconervative Dan Pipes. I don't pin Laughner's actions on Nancy Pelosi. Or Ted Kazcynski on any anti-technologist writers.

There are deranged psychopaths in the world. Always has been, always will be.

NewRightLibertarian
07-25-2011, 11:15 AM
The media will plaster his face all over and spread his manifesto like crazy. The circus will enable more shooters in the future, allowing them to trump up the terror threat and be able to usurp more power. It's their plan.

jmdrake
07-25-2011, 11:18 AM
either that, or they are brainwashed, manipulated meat puppets.
In which case they have no motivations other than what was given them in conditioning. And anything they may think or say is irrelevant.

You mean like Tim McVeigh?

http://cryptogon.com/?p=420

pcosmar
07-25-2011, 11:32 AM
You mean like Tim McVeigh?

http://cryptogon.com/?p=420

Very much like.
http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/government-lies/manchurian-candidate/mk-ultra-mind-control.html

MK ULTRA was given a wide berth at the CIA and afforded six percent of the agency's operating budget, a large expenditure for such a new, untested program. One early memo summarized the project's goal: "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self-preservation?"

moderate libertarian
07-26-2011, 07:16 PM
What evidence is there (at all) that this guy wrote this "Manifesto"? Perhaps a ghost (spook) writer?
What likelihood is there that it is as fake as the Photoshopped pictures?

The only evidence we have so far is what is claimed and reported on the internets and MSM. So you have a point.

ExPatPaki
07-27-2011, 08:41 AM
Draining the Swamp
Philip Girald
(http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/07/26/draining-the-swamp/)


Pamela Geller posted her own approving comment followed by a rambling message from a Norwegian admirer back in 2007. Could it have been Breivik? Possibly. He speaks of stockpiling weapons and violence. Did Geller alert the Norwegian authorities? No, but she did make sure the Norwegian’s message was read by her thousands of supporters. Geller has now removed the posting from her website but it can still be found through Google.

“I am running an email I received from an Atlas reader in Norway. It is devastating in its matter-of-factness:

‘Well, yes, the situation is worsening. Stepping up from 29 000 immigrants every year, in 2007 we will be getting a total of 35 000 immigrants from Somalia, Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. The nation’s capital is already 50% Muslim, and they ALL go there after entering Norway. Adding the 1.2 births per woman per year from Muslim women, there will be 300 000+ Muslims out of the then 480,000 inhabitants of that city.

‘Orders from Libya and Iran say that Oslo will be known as Medina at the latest in 2010, although I consider this a PR-stunt nevertheless it is their plan.

‘From Israel the hordes clawing at the walls of Jerusalem proclaim cheerfully that next year there will be no more Israel, and I know Israel shrugs this off as do I, and will mount a strike during the summer against all of its enemies in the Middle East. This will make the Muslims worldwide go into a frenzy, attacking everyone around them.

‘We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast…

Oslo and the southeast may fall easily, but there are other lines than “state” borders drawn across this country since long before there was even a single Muslim in the world, and we have held them this long, against everyone else too. We are entering a new golden age for my people, and those of a handful other countries, but only through struggle.

‘Never fear, Pamela. God is with you too in this coming time.’”

ibaghdadi
07-27-2011, 09:30 AM
What evidence is there (at all) that this guy wrote this "Manifesto"? Perhaps a ghost (spook) writer?
Only that he confessed to writing it.

moderate libertarian
07-27-2011, 05:34 PM
The politics behind this mass murder are meaningless when it comes to the actual murders. This lunatic did this for publicity. For attention. He could have been advocating the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's like the Unibomber getting his "Manifesto" published, or Jared Laughner killing people. These people have true mental disorders, and being sociopathic murderers is probably just part of it. They also have delusions of grandeur.

If reports are not fabricated, his publicity goal had another agenda/


* "If you for some reason survive the operation you will be apprehended and arrested. This is the point where most heroic Knights would call it a day. However, this is not the case for a Justiciar Knight. Your arrest will mark the initiation of the propaganda phase."



It appears Norway authority have denied public court platform for him to give his speeches, probably after reading above statement.

moderate libertarian
07-27-2011, 05:38 PM
Draining the Swamp
Philip Girald
(http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/07/26/draining-the-swamp/)

That is interesting read.

pcosmar
07-27-2011, 05:52 PM
Only that he confessed to writing it.

El-CIAda also claimed credit for the bombing,, I didn't believe that shit either.

I believe this guy was handled up to and through this event. I don't find it hard to believe he is taking credit for this writing, but I believe it was prepared for him.

moderate libertarian
07-27-2011, 06:24 PM
El-CIAda also claimed credit for the bombing,, I didn't believe that shit either.



El-CIAda lol

Nice.

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-27-2011, 06:35 PM
I'm suspicious of the photographs of this guy. They are pretty high quality. Did TPTB give him a photo shoot before unleashing hell in Oslo?

pcosmar
07-27-2011, 06:39 PM
I'm suspicious of the photographs of this guy. They are pretty high quality. Did TPTB give him a photo shoot before unleashing hell in Oslo?
That is only one small issue with the story,, but they do look odd.
And is is also odd that the only photos look both professionally staged and doctored.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2011, 06:40 PM
"Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner ... Some innocent will die in our operations as they are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Get used (to) the idea. The needs of the many will always surpass the needs of the few."

Please tell me the moral difference between that statement and government's explanations of "collateral damage" when an errant kill drone vaporizes a bunch of children?

moderate libertarian
07-27-2011, 07:31 PM
Please tell me the moral difference between that statement and government's explanations of "collateral damage" when an errant kill drone vaporizes a bunch of children?

There may still be more facts that have not come out yet. But I'd say that anyone who deliberately puts at risk and kills civilians, children for any cause / collateral damage calculation engages in terrorism against innocent people. If after losing election Obama got brought before Hague war crimes tribunal and got stripped of his nobel peace prize/sent to prison for a long time, won't be surprised. But to avoid charge of partisanship and for consistency in applying morality laws, they may have to try Bush too if they tried Obama for war crimes/terrorism against civilians.