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Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 08:58 AM
While many on this forum are debating gun control, the larger, more invasive issue is that of multiculturalism in Europe. The rising number of Islamists and the Sharia Law movement has had a profound effect on Europeans.

Many European countries have also adopted political correctness aka "Multi-Kulti" and with the recent recession many native Europeans are finding themselves jobless. At the same time many immigrants remain employed due to their hard working ethic, and low pay demands.

"Multi-Kulti" has been admittedly a failed experiment. Some of Europes most powerful leaders have made recent political statements against such at the very least, and in some cases even taken action:

Sarkozy: "We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him," he said in a television interview in which he declared the concept a "failure".

Merkel: "We kidded ourselves for a while that they wouldn't stay, but that's not the reality," she said at a conference of the youth wing of her Christian Democratic Union.

"Of course the tendency had been to say, 'let's adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other'. But this concept has failed, and failed utterly."

I believe the Norway attack to not be a lone incident. There will be more chaos and bloodshed if a solution is not found. Multiculturalism has failed.

Is this sort of political correctness a step towards the impending doom of modern society as we know it?

What will it take to abandon political correctness, and reinstall the right to a nation's sovereignty and personal choice in who to allow immigration rights?

smartguy911
07-24-2011, 09:08 AM
what? isn't the guy who attacked white? Christian?

smartguy911
07-24-2011, 09:12 AM
India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%

GreenCardSeeker
07-24-2011, 09:12 AM
The man who attacked was an anti-Muslim ethnic Norwegian. See my blog posts at http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shooter-and.html and http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/manifesto-of-anders-behring-breivik-not.html .

Europe does indeed have an immigration problem, yep - hordes of people from the third world are flooding the borders, in many cases trying to escape their bad reputation and criminal records at home and live off the government in their destination countries.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 09:12 AM
This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23/lone-nutt-party-freemason-cop-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

MelissaWV
07-24-2011, 09:22 AM
So... the really pale racist dude who shot up some children is not really the big problem. The trend towards multiculturalism that made him angry is.

This sounds an awful lot like blaming music, video games, or television for the fact that some teen snaps and shoots up their school.

Astounding. Even when the shooter is as white as you can get without being an albino, it's the Muslims' fault.

GreenCardSeeker
07-24-2011, 09:25 AM
This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23/lone-nutt-party-freemason-cop-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

Well, have to point out that this man was very vigilant declaring that he was anti-racist, that he believed race and ethnicity didn't matter. His #1 hero was Norwegian resistance fighter Max Manus too, who fought Germany during WW2. Breivik is one of the new right people who feel that any attempt to base a movement on ethnicity or race belongs in the past, and that a new movement has to make Islam its main enemy. Nationality, views on economic issues, homosexuality or anything of that sort shouldn't divide people according to him, everyone's supposed to join in the fight against Islam. Usually people like he have little to do with established nationalist movements, they want to ignore all of that and step up as leaders, preferring to work with the political elite than with the masses.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 09:27 AM
So... the really pale racist dude who shot up some children is not really the big problem. The trend towards multiculturalism that made him angry is.

This sounds an awful lot like blaming music, video games, or television for the fact that some teen snaps and shoots up their school.

Astounding. Even when the shooter is as white as you can get without being an albino, it's the Muslims' fault.
Hey.

Anything that deflects from the players behind the game and promotes the agenda,,,
;)

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 09:29 AM
Well, have to point out that this man was very vigilant declaring that he was anti-racist,

Bullshit.
That was all written in English. The Facebook Page was all in English and meant to create a false image.
It was targeted at an audience. And it was not a Norwegian audience.

I do not believe it was written by him at all.
I've seen this shit before.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/photos.jpg

Danke
07-24-2011, 09:32 AM
India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -


There is discrimination and violence with their caste system.

GreenCardSeeker
07-24-2011, 09:34 AM
Bullshit.
That was all written in English. The Facebook Page was all in English and meant to create a false image.
It was targeted at an audience. And it was not a Norwegian audience.

I do not believe it was written by him at all.

I think you need to take off your tin foil hat and read his own Norwegian writings. I made translations available at http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shooter-and.html . I link the source too, the Norwegian site document.no where he wrote all of it. For a couple of years now, he's made a dual effort in both Norway and abroad establishing contacts and preparing a new movement, apparently without much success. That was probably what ultimately led him to shoot up those people. What ticked him off was that they were protesting his beloved Israel.

Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 09:41 AM
So... the really pale racist dude who shot up some children is not really the big problem. The trend towards multiculturalism that made him angry is.

This sounds an awful lot like blaming music, video games, or television for the fact that some teen snaps and shoots up their school.

Astounding. Even when the shooter is as white as you can get without being an albino, it's the Muslims' fault.

I didn't say anything about the shooter. I mentioned gun control. The shooter was absolutely wrong, my intelligence has been insulted to even have to clarify that point.

Have you watched his video, the one removed from youtube? He was upset about Islam taking over Europe, and guess what, he is not alone.

Euro-leaders have spoken out against multiculturalism in Europe, as quoted in the OP.

Please keep the discussion on topic per the forum guidelines, or else feel free not to respond.

Thank you.

moderate libertarian
07-24-2011, 09:42 AM
If recent Oslo twin terror attacks are being referred to here, I won't call that "awakening".


EVOLUTION:
* "For me, personally, it was my government's involvement in the attacks on Serbia."

* "It was completely unacceptable how the U.S. and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers. All they (the Serbs) wanted was to drive out Islam by deporting the Albanian Muslims back to Albania."

* "I've spent a total of 9 years of my life working on this project."

* Around year 2000 I realised that the democratic struggle against the Islamisation of Europe, European multiculturalism was lost. It had gone too far ... 40 years of dialogue with the cultural Marxists/multiculturalists had ended up as a disaster. It would now only take 50-70 years before we, the Europeans are in a minority. As soon as I realised this I decided to explore alternative forms of opposition. Protesting is saying that you disagree. Resistance is saying you will put a stop to this. I decided I wanted to join the resistance movement.

* I came in contact with Serbian cultural conservatives through the internet. This initial contact would eventually result in my contact with several key individuals all over Europe and the forming of the group who would later establish the military order and tribunal ... Knights Templar."

* There have been several issues that have reaffirmed my beliefs since then. Among them; my governments cowardly handling of the Muhammad Cartoon issue and their decision to award the Nobel peace prize to an Islamic terrorist (Arafat) and appeasers of Islam. There have been tens of other issues."


EXECUTION:

* "If you are unwilling or incapable of killing women due to the principles of chivalry you should probably steer away completely from the armed resistance movements and should probably consider creating yet another right wing blog instead."

* "Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike. Explain what you have done (in an announcement distributed prior to operation) and make certain that everyone understands that we, the free peoples of Europe, are going to strike again and again."

* "Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner ... Some innocent will die in our operations as they are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Get used (to) the idea. The needs of the many will always surpass the needs of the few.



http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/24/idINIndia-58424820110724


Breivik, Rightist Mass Murderer, Hates Muslims, Loves Pam Geller

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/22/rightist-wreaks-terror-through-norway/


* Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that oppose nationalism/Zionism and support multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists….So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE, while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP. Whenever I discuss the Middle East issue with a national socialist he presents the anti-Israeli and pro-Palestine argument. He always seem unaware of the fact that his propaganda is hurting Israeli nationalists (who want to deport the Muslims from Israel) and that he is in fact helping the Israeli cultural Marxists/multiculturalists with his argumentation.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 09:48 AM
I think you need to take off your tin foil hat and read his own Norwegian writings.

No tin foil here. I have no doubt he was a nut. Had some twisted racist views. There are a lot of Neo-Nazis throughout Europe, and here in the US.
I suspect this was staged to target wider groups in the Global War on Terror (International Police State).

All that was needed was an event. And this one seems made for that purpose.

The Facebook page was created only days before, and created in English (not his native tongue) and was targeted towards Americans.
There is more going on here. look beyond grinding your personal axes.

He is a manufactured persona, for a manufactured event.

sparebulb
07-24-2011, 09:51 AM
..........., and that a new movement has to make Islam its main enemy............

Sounds like the shooter listened to too much Fox "News", Levin, and Savage.

This is obviously a false flag attack or it is CIA/MI6/Mossad sending a message. Let's see if Norway renews its commitment to the Libyan invasion and Greek bailout.

MelissaWV
07-24-2011, 09:52 AM
He was upset about Islam taking over Europe

Sounds like it was the Muslims' fault to me, in your opinion... and in his :eyeroll:

He's not alone!

So we can expect more of these shootings? What's the cure, do you think?

AGRP
07-24-2011, 10:53 AM
If anything this guy appears to be a neocon; if this isn't a false flag.

Brian4Liberty
07-24-2011, 11:25 AM
India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%


There is discrimination and violence with their caste system.

Yeah, not really a shining example. Religious violence is fairly common in India, and even more so in Pakistan and Kashmir.

Johncjackson
07-24-2011, 11:28 AM
Give me a fucking break.

Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 12:02 PM
Sounds like it was the Muslims' fault to me, in your opinion... and in his :eyeroll:

This is the second time you've been intellectually dishonest. And it's your second post. Your not off to a very good start on this thread. But once again i'll take the bait and appease you. So in regards to it being the "Muslims' fault" ... the answer is no it is not. The innocent deaths are the fault of the shooter and the shooter alone. However, the failed policy of MultiKulti can be blamed on the policymakers in Europe. It never should have been "experimented" with in the first place. I am a strong believer in national sovereignty and the right of each nation to shape it's immigration policy however it deems fit. That would include a "love it or leave it" type of immigration stance.

I have traveled to six countries in Europe, to include France, Germany, The Netherlands and others. As a "typical American tourist" I made sure to pay attention to the local norms and customs and not play into any negative stereotypes. It's not that hard really, and it comes down to respect.


He's not alone!

So we can expect more of these shootings? What's the cure, do you think?

I believe so. I don't condone the shootings, but I see more occuring. I see more violence in general occuring because of this forced adaptation to Islam both at the State and Societal levels. Is that really a surprise? As for me, I haven't exactly formed a political "cure" at this point in time. Hence the reason for starting this thread ..........


Give me a fucking break.

Give yourself a break bro. Noone here owes you a damn thing.

wannaberocker
07-24-2011, 12:21 PM
India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%

India does not believe in multi cultalism. In India nationalism is put before religion. But that is not to say that india is violance free, only last week mumbai was attacked again with 3 bombs by an islamic group. There are other small scales cases of religious violance in some parts of India.

wannaberocker
07-24-2011, 12:44 PM
At the end of the day multiculturalism is an issue in europe. At the end of it multiculturalism is not a problem created by islam or muslims. Its a problem created by europeans themselves. Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated. Now segements of the muslim population in europe still practice rules and regulations that they braught over from the old country. Rules and regulations that directly conflict with the rules and regulations of the countries they live in. At the end of the day i dont really care about this guy and his crazy ramblings or thoughts. But i still think europe is heading towards a difficult time economically and culturally.

Jace
07-24-2011, 12:51 PM
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pcosmar
07-24-2011, 12:53 PM
At the end of the day multiculturalism is an issue in europe. At the end of it multiculturalism is not a problem created by islam or muslims. Its a problem created by europeans themselves. Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated. Now segements of the muslim population in europe still practice rules and regulations that they braught over from the old country. Rules and regulations that directly conflict with the rules and regulations of the countries they live in. At the end of the day i dont really care about this guy and his crazy ramblings or thoughts. But i still think europe is heading towards a difficult time economically and culturally.

Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.

Vessol
07-24-2011, 12:53 PM
This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23/lone-nutt-party-freemason-cop-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

Read that. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion that it was a fake. The story you posted jumps from point to point and shows nothing that cohesive.

The creation of a new Twitter and Facebook page right before the actions does not surprise me. He seemed to be out for media attention.

I read another story that for the past 3 years, according to a journal he kept, he pretended to play World of Warcraft obsessively as a cover for his planning and training.


India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%

Horrible example. India is fraught with violence over ethnicity and religion. Why do you think there is a cold war between Pakistan and India, with nukes aimed at each other? During British rule, Pakistan was part of British India. Many districts in India which are predominately Muslim are full of violence and unrest.

squarepusher
07-24-2011, 12:55 PM
The man who attacked was an anti-Muslim ethnic Norwegian. See my blog posts at http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shooter-and.html and http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/manifesto-of-anders-behring-breivik-not.html .

Europe does indeed have an immigration problem, yep - hordes of people from the third world are flooding the borders, in many cases trying to escape their bad reputation and criminal records at home and live off the government in their destination countries.

maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

Vessol
07-24-2011, 12:57 PM
maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

This. Many people on this forum try to address the symptoms of the problem and not the actual problem itself. This is especially true with immigration, and it saddens me.

Brian4Liberty
07-24-2011, 01:12 PM
This. Many people on this forum try to address the symptoms of the problem and not the actual problem itself. This is especially true with immigration, and it saddens me.

Is there someone on this forum that wants to continue bombing these other countries?

Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 01:15 PM
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.

Absolutely false. First of all, the vast majority of Islamic immigrants are Turkish. Turkey is not only a NATO member, but also an ally of America. We have military bases and nuclear bombs in Turkey.


maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

False, see above.


Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated.

Also, false. The Turks contribute to more crime in Germany than any other ethnic group combined. And they isolate themselves. The problem is that they have failed to intigrate into society. Many Turks do not speak German at all in Germany. They are not required to wear face masks in Turkish schools, yet they do so in German schools. They demand the building of mosques with "giant voice" prayer systems that disturb the peace. They stick to themselves and do not contribute to society.

Am I speaking collectively? Yes. But the vast majority of Turks do exactly what I just lined out. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Germany and take note of what you see.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 01:17 PM
Read that. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion that it was a fake. The story you posted jumps from point to point and shows nothing that cohesive.

The creation of a new Twitter and Facebook page right before the actions does not surprise me. He seemed to be out for media attention.

I read another story that for the past 3 years, according to a journal he kept, he pretended to play World of Warcraft obsessively as a cover for his planning and training.

There were several points made. I do not fully agree with the author,,but there are some points.
The guy was fiercely nationalistic. A Neo-Nazi from his prior writings. Nordic Pride.
The Facebook page was done entirely English with no reference to such and included American centric writings and media.
It was recently created, along with a twitter account with ONE tweet in English.
The alleged "manifesto" was reportedly sent to Facebook friends.
There were NO Facebook friends.

Add that the Photos being circulated look fishy.

This is a deliberately released persona.

Now as to other"issues",, I started watching this when it was first posted here as breaking news. I tuned into a live feed from the area.
There have been several videos of the scene you can watch,, I was watching live.
The first thing that struck be was the lack of any response. Not a single cop,,not a patrol car that came to the area of the blast.
I was watching for some time as both citizens and media showed up and wandered the scene, then sirens could be heard in the distance and eventually folks started to show up.
It was later that I heard that Oslo had just had Terrorism drills,,days before. The lack of response was curious.
As I was watching this the first reports of shooting came up. I posted that here at the time.
I was following the story looking for any information.

It was 90 minutes from the report of shooting till the cops crossed a narrow stretch of water to stop the shooter.
Again the lack of response was glaring.

There was either massive horrible incompetence,, or a deliberate non-response.

From what I am seeing, I suspect the later.
I have come to believe this whole event was deliberately staged.

As to the "Why",?
Not sure yet, but I believe and expanded "War on terror" should be expected.
It is possible that TPTB see a threat from the growing Nationalist movements in Europe, and a threat to the EU. Perhaps this is meant to neutralize that.

wannaberocker
07-24-2011, 01:36 PM
Also, false. The Turks contribute to more crime in Germany than any other ethnic group combined. And they isolate themselves. The problem is that they have failed to intigrate into society. Many Turks do not speak German at all in Germany. They are not required to wear face masks in Turkish schools, yet they do so in German schools. They demand the building of mosques with "giant voice" prayer systems that disturb the peace. They stick to themselves and do not contribute to society.

Am I speaking collectively? Yes. But the vast majority of Turks do exactly what I just lined out. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Germany and take note of what you see.

I think your misunderstanding my point. I actually agree with you on this issue. My reasoning is that europe has tried to encourage multiculturalism to an extent where they allow new immigrants not to adjust. There is no consiquence of not adjusting to the new country like learning the language or accepting its culture. Europe in a way has tried to bend over backwards for the new immigrants which has put the new immigrants in a position where they dont have to adopt the new culture.
I mean let me give you an example of how sometimes govt can promote new immigrants not to adopt there new country. A friend of mine moved to the USA from France in college. He spoke little english at the time, but he knew that he had to learn because otherwise he would have an extremly hard time getting a job or just doing everyday things. So he took english classes and now he speaks perfect english. Now compare that to another guy i know who moved here from mexico. He still speaks broken english after 7 years in the USA, why? Because he can get by without learning english. If he goes to a govt office, they have spanish speakers, if hes filling out a document the govt provides copies in spanish. In other words the govt is basically telling him "hey no need to learn english".

wannaberocker
07-24-2011, 01:40 PM
Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.
You have a point there. If someone is bombing your home, you naturally look for a safer envirnament. If the envirnament is a socialist country where you can be utterly unskilled and still get a govt assistance, well that is just the cherry on top for any refugee.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
07-24-2011, 01:42 PM
Islamic extremists bomb civilians = Blame Muslims!

White Christian extremists bombs civilians = Blame Muslims!!

US government bomb civilians = Blame Muslims!!

BlackTerrel
07-24-2011, 01:42 PM
I didn't say anything about the shooter. I mentioned gun control. The shooter was absolutely wrong, my intelligence has been insulted to even have to clarify that point.

Have you watched his video, the one removed from youtube? He was upset about Islam taking over Europe, and guess what, he is not alone.

He hates Muslims so he shot up a bunch of white people. Guy sounds like a lone idiot and needs to be shot - that's about it.

Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 01:43 PM
I think your misunderstanding my point. I actually agree with you on this issue. My reasoning is that europe has tried to encourage multiculturalism to an extent where they allow new immigrants not to adjust. There is no consiquence of not adjusting to the new country like learning the language or accepting its culture. Europe in a way has tried to bend over backwards for the new immigrants which has put the new immigrants in a position where they dont have to adopt the new culture.

Right, your right. And I believe this all to be tied into Political Correctness. Which in itself is a consuming disease which I reflected in the OP as the problem.


He hates Muslims so he shot up a bunch of white people. Guy sounds like a lone idiot and needs to be shot - that's about it.

Yup. Which is why this thread has nothing to do with the lunatic shooter. It has to do with Multiculturalism in Europe. The Norwegian shooting was his attempt to raise awareness, but to me it was nothing new as I have been following the crisis for some time.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 01:47 PM
Absolutely false.


Please back that up with some facts.
I just went searching for statistics, and they show that you are full of shit.

And Norway isn't even high on the list of European countries as a destination.
Arabs, Black Africans and Turks are about equal at 5 million each, but there are folks from many countries that make up "foreigners" in European countries.

perhaps anyone seen a non-white are all the same.
:rolleyes:

GreenCardSeeker
07-24-2011, 01:47 PM
There were several points made. I do not fully agree with the author,,but there are some points.
The guy was fiercely nationalistic. A Neo-Nazi from his prior writings. Nordic Pride.

He was not a nationalist or a neo-nazi. He didn't feel race or ethnicity mattered, and he didn't care for his own heritage at all. No word about inspiration by folk heroes or the struggles of his own people. He lamented that some of his people reacted to the immigration problems by becoming ethnocentric, he wanted them to join his anti-islamic crusade instead and leave ethnicity behind. These views are taken from his Norwegian writings.



The alleged "manifesto" was reportedly sent to Facebook friends.
There were NO Facebook friends.


He mentions in the manifesto how he's been actively fishing for e-mail accounts on Facebook, inviting people all the time on 2 separate accounts, to be able to do 100 invites a day. I guess he sent it through e-mail to those people.



It is possible that TPTB see a threat from the growing Nationalist movements in Europe, and a threat to the EU. Perhaps this is meant to neutralize that.

That's a possibility I guess, that he had other connections who enabled him to carry this out. Media over here is certainly extremely anti-nationalist, there's such a stigma to rejecting a multi-cultural / multi-ethnic society.

squarepusher
07-24-2011, 01:48 PM
The real underlying issue is, economy, jobs, etc... There are few jobs in Europe, and the immigrants are willing to work for less, while the entitled native citizens will not, which therefore brews resentment, etc...

If this Norway terrorist was serious, he would have tried to legislate anti-immigration laws, instead of shooting his own citizens ... ? I wont even try to make sense of it, because he is clearly crazy and a sick individual.

Jake Ralston
07-24-2011, 01:53 PM
Please back that up with some facts.
I just went searching for statistics, and they show that you are full of shit.

And Norway isn't even high on the list of European countries as a destination.
Arabs, Black Africans and Turks are about equal at 5 million each, but there are folks from many countries that make up "foreigners" in European countries.


Keep up the internet searches if you wish. I don't even know what your disagreeing on with me anyways. Have you been to Germany? Have you seen what I described first hand, as I have? Much of it is unreported in the name of Political Correctness. But, disagree as you wish, like they say ignorance is bliss.

Also, why are you isolating Norway in the multiculturalism issue? It affects Europe as a whole.

Cowlesy
07-24-2011, 01:54 PM
This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23/lone-nutt-party-freemason-cop-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

Until you can prove all that, I am going to stick with, "Shit happens." Maybe he wasn't a deranged psycho that setup facebook/twitter accounts so that he'd have a whole legacy for his story once he was finished with his massacre. Guy seemed pretty bright and if he wanted to make a point, everyone has all sorts of his stuff to read. Perhaps he, the cops and the gov't were all in on it. I guess since I cannot prove that, I am not going to pan that theory either.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 02:02 PM
Also, why are you isolating Norway in the multiculturalism issue? It affects Europe as a whole.

I'm not,,but this event was centered in Norway and of the many European countries it is not high of the list.
Luxembourg is. as the highest percentage of immigrants.

Though several states have Nazi groups that are making various levels of noise about the issue.

I rather think this event is meant to target them.

pcosmar
07-24-2011, 02:04 PM
Until you can prove all that,

Proving that against the weight of the media and the resources of governments is unlikely.

Though I think the effects will be clear enough shortly.

daviddee
07-25-2011, 12:06 AM
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KingRobbStark
07-25-2011, 12:57 AM
Western Europe != Europe.

People, if you are going to talk geography and politics please be specific.

Mindsets in Central and Eastern Europe are different than Western Europe.

You will note in the writing of the Norway shooter he specifically made a point of saying WESTERN Europe.

Central and Eastern Europe are A-OK.

Hate by geography. Understood.

UWDude
07-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Fighting immigration is as old as nationalism.

dannno
07-25-2011, 12:40 PM
Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.

Must spread reputation around before giving it to this user again.

libertygrl
07-25-2011, 01:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z1_2DMKqE8c

UWDude
07-25-2011, 01:17 PM
I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

dannno
07-25-2011, 01:26 PM
I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

If it was an inside job, what would you expect to see in the video that you didn't?

How much studying of the Seattle WTO Riots have you done?

UWDude
07-25-2011, 01:31 PM
If it was an inside job, what would you expect to see in the video that you didn't?

Eh? what video? I watched the Tarpley interview on the Norway attacks this morning. A lot of it has to do with I lost a lot of faith in Tarpley when he claimed the Arab spring was all CIA orchestrated. The interview relies mostly on Tarpley's patterning together a patchwork of evidence, and many of that tapestry is feeble at best.


How much studying of the Seattle WTO Riots have you done?

If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

libertygrl
07-25-2011, 01:43 PM
I know it sounds incredulous, but there does appear to be a continuing pattern here:

Ratcheting up a particular topic in the media, and then an "event" occurs regarding that same topic.

A government "drill" takes place either on the same day or same week of a terrorist attack happening.

Delay in military/law enforcement offensive response.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but after awhile it does start to look suspicious.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z1_2DMKqE8c

squarepusher
07-25-2011, 01:45 PM
I think a more apt title for this thread would be "Multiculturalism in Europe - The Norwegian Descent Into Madness"

NewRightLibertarian
07-25-2011, 02:14 PM
I know it sounds incredulous, but there does appear to be a continuing pattern here:

Ratcheting up a particular topic in the media, and then an "event" occurs regarding that same topic.

A government "drill" takes place either on the same day or same week of a terrorist attack happening.

Delay in military/law enforcement offensive response.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but after awhile it does start to look suspicious.

The federal government personally gains from every terror attack. Terror allows them to do whatever they want without any repercussions so they promote it as much as they possibly can. It's apart of their business plan.


I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

They're both big time 'everything is a conspiracy' kind of guys. The government is up to so much shady, secretive evilness that I think their analysis is worth considering.

dannno
07-25-2011, 02:19 PM
Eh? what video? I watched the Tarpley interview on the Norway attacks this morning. A lot of it has to do with I lost a lot of faith in Tarpley when he claimed the Arab spring was all CIA orchestrated. The interview relies mostly on Tarpley's patterning together a patchwork of evidence, and many of that tapestry is feeble at best.

Well you weren't here when that was all happening, but it's pretty clear that Arab spring was controlled by CIA. We had debates back and forth on the forum, and some people who argue against me and pcosmar and others will make the argument that the CIA doesn't control every little event and they are right.. they don't control every little event and they may have had little or nothing to do with the initial events that triggered it (the guy lighting himself on fire), but they certainly had the groundwork laid so that they could control what these events lead to.

I don't know which parts they orchestrated, and it doesn't mean that the people in those areas shouldn't rise up against their oppressive regimes, but what is the point in doing so when the CIA is going to control the outcome?

dannno
07-25-2011, 02:26 PM
If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

Wow, see, you and others completely misunderstand how these things work, you try to put words in our mouth about how these things go down but you haven't done enough research yourself and so you make all of these huge insinuations about what we "conspiracy theorists" believe without understanding the modus operandi of the establishment.

I'm sorry, but you're really just wrong on this one, with a very small portion of what you said being 'right'.. but you clearly haven't done much research on this topic at all. There is plenty of video evidence showing that police were protecting the anarchists. OF COURSE THE ANARCHISTS EXIST!! OF COURSE THEY WANT TO SMASH THINGS UP!! That misses the point entirely.. The point is, why were the police actively protecting them, why did they HELP MOVE THEM from one building to another building?

Why did the police allow the anarchists to destroy everything, then once they were gone, they shut down the streets and stomped out all the peaceful protesters? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG!!

The leaders of most of these commi-anarchist groups are government agents. They go out and recruit as many anarchists and legit anarchist groups as possible and help organize events for them to fuck up. Then the police arrange protection for them. This has been captured on film OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again at protests all around the world. This is plain and simple modus operandi.

pcosmar
07-25-2011, 04:00 PM
Absolutely false. First of all, the vast majority of Islamic immigrants are Turkish. Turkey is not only a NATO member, but also an ally of America. We have military bases and nuclear bombs in Turkey.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway
Turkey is #10 on the list.

The number of immigrants in Norway is currently approximately 552,000, which corresponds to 11.4% of the total population (2010)
You then went on about Germany (which is irrelevant to this situation) and most of Germany's immigrants are from Turkey but that is because they are very restrictive.

In 2007, 91.2% (75.0 million) of residents in Germany had German citizenship, while 81% of the population were Germans with no imigrant background and 19% were German citizents with immigrant background ( 15.3 million people) Of the remaining 8.8% (7.2 million), 1.7 million (2.1%) had Turkish, 0.5 million (0.6%) Italian and 0.4 million (0.5%) Polish citizenship.

I have heard a lot of Bullshit from several racist groups. There is another one that posts here from England. Calls himself a "repuplican" but is admittedly a Nationalist and a Socialist (NAZI)
As was the scumbag that went off in Norway.
Prior to his recreated persona on July 17,, he was affiliated with Neo-Nazi groups.
Now he is dressed up as a Christian Conservative.

He is the same kind of Aryan Scum I knew (and opposed) in Prison. Same rhetoric, Same style, Same stench.

UWDude
07-25-2011, 04:18 PM
so you make all of these huge insinuations about what we "conspiracy theorists" believe without understanding the modus operandi of the establishment.


I listen t plenty of Alex Jones. I understand it, I just do not buy into all of it. I have seen footage of police protecting anarchists, and seen footage of police posing as anarchist and being outed by the crowd. Using Agent provocateurs are a centuries old trick, so I know it happens.

So take a breath and relax. I don't have to believe everything to still be on the same team. ;) Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

dannno
07-25-2011, 04:33 PM
I listen t plenty of Alex Jones. I understand it, I just do not buy into all of it. I have seen footage of police protecting anarchists, and seen footage of police posing as anarchist and being outed by the crowd. Using Agent provocateurs are a centuries old trick, so I know it happens.

So take a breath and relax. I don't have to believe everything to still be on the same team. ;) Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

So then why did you say earlier:


If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

It seems to me you were insinuating that they could have done all of that on their own when they needed a police stand-down order and police protection.

I don't think every single thing that happen is a conspiracy, but I think it is a good thing to have a contingency of folks who are rightly observant and looking toward the conspiracy angle because of the fact that it is so prevalent.

lester1/2jr
07-25-2011, 04:44 PM
If europeans want more white people there the white people should have more children. Not having a massive welfare state would be a good idea as well just in general.