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DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 05:52 AM
They are trying to make US look crazy - - they can't do it to RP anymore, and we're a lot easier to attack :) lol ....

but I HATE being called a nerd! DUDE! And I'll tell you why. If I wasn't into RP, I'd look at this article and be like, "what? what lamers". Seriously. I am a bit shallow. But really, most of America is.

They're trying to seperate us from 'mainstream' society, instead of calling RP a 'kook', they're calling us 'kooks'. If TIME wrote a hitpeice on RP calling him out, wouldn't we be out in full force? They're effectively doing the same thing... calling his 'movement' 'nerds who like star wars'. I've never even SEEN star wars!!!!!

So... should we write emails in full force? Or just be happy with what we get ( I vote emails )

literatim
11-01-2007, 05:54 AM
I definitely believe everyone should email them. They outright lied when they said Ron Paul didn't believe he could win.

rs3515
11-01-2007, 05:54 AM
You know what though? As bad as the article may seem, it is actually more positive than some of the previous Time Magazine posts. They are getting better, albeit slowly. :)

Pride
11-01-2007, 05:58 AM
Said it once, said it a million times, the media is controlled. Just Google it and see for yourself.

A large part of the mainstream media will never support Ron Paul.

Emailing these people will do no good. In my honest opinion, they are the enemy that we have to fight if we are going to win. Wake up and realize that these biased attacks will not stop.

me3
11-01-2007, 05:59 AM
You know what though? As bad as the article may seem, it is actually more positive than some of the previous Time Magazine posts. They are getting better, albeit slowly. :)
We're winning. Tha attacks are starting to water down.

@OP, Now is not the time to relent on fund raising and activism. Email, letter or comment bombing is in our past. Work for the future!

Sematary
11-01-2007, 06:00 AM
The tone of the MSM will change when RP raises 12 mil this quarter - gets 2 mil on Nov 5 and wins NH

Oh - and don't forget the impact that the Philly Rally will have as well.

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 06:01 AM
They call people who donate on Nov. 5th 'anarchists'

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 06:04 AM
I just got done reading the entire article, but seriously, they just perverted our entire movement

Pride
11-01-2007, 06:07 AM
I just got done reading the entire article, but seriously, they just perverted our entire movement

It's a disgusting article, an attack against Ron Paul. They are smearing us in an effort to discredit us. They even said that Ron Paul himself believes he won't win, which is a load of crap.

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 06:09 AM
Saying "most people who support Ron Paul would be the ones who say ' fuck you, washington' ", calling us 'anarchists, nerds', calling Ron Paul a 'nerd', .... instead of writing about the creativity and passion, they spin it into some type of description of spite and weirdness which is the main support base of this movement..... fuck TIME

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 06:25 AM
"Paul's fans... are entranced by a man who responds to surprising information with "Wowee" and a jaw-dropped smile not often seen apart from 5-year-old boys and Muppets. "

KewlRonduderules
11-01-2007, 06:37 AM
People if you email them, be NICE and PRODUCTIVE. Cursing and being demeaning will not help us. It will add to their unfounded idea that we are fringe.

wgadget
11-01-2007, 06:40 AM
Feel sorry for them. If all they can do is resort to mocking RP's supporters, they're feeling a little queasy.

Their bias is pretty transparent, and people aren't as stupid as they'd like to think.

Get out there and show the world what a RP supporter REALLY looks like, and be sure to have a few slim jims in hand.

: )

FrankRep
11-01-2007, 06:51 AM
They call people who donate on Nov. 5th 'anarchists'

Don't let the media control you. Chill out.

Bradley in DC
11-01-2007, 06:57 AM
Every article that isn't a rave isn't necessarily a hit piece.

Lots of people were exposed to Dr. Paul for the first time thanks to Time. They'll Google him, next thing you know, they go to a Meetup....

We need to spread his message and improve his name ID!

troyd1
11-01-2007, 06:58 AM
The majority of msm is cradle to grave socialists that fear having to do anything for themselves and Ron Paul's message is personal responsibility. He really scares them! Heaven for bid having to take care of themselves!

LibertyEagle
11-01-2007, 07:08 AM
They are trying to make US look crazy - - they can't do it to RP anymore, and we're a lot easier to attack :) lol ....



Stop it, DJ! If you do this, it will only reinforce what they are saying!!

I understand that you're mad, but this is not the right thing to do. At least wait until you cool off a little.

CasualApathy
11-01-2007, 07:14 AM
They are trying to make US look crazy - - they can't do it to RP anymore, and we're a lot easier to attack :) lol ....

but I HATE being called a nerd! DUDE! And I'll tell you why. If I wasn't into RP, I'd look at this article and be like, "what? what lamers". Seriously. I am a bit shallow. But really, most of America is.

They're trying to seperate us from 'mainstream' society, instead of calling RP a 'kook', they're calling us 'kooks'. If TIME wrote a hitpeice on RP calling him out, wouldn't we be out in full force? They're effectively doing the same thing... calling his 'movement' 'nerds who like star wars'. I've never even SEEN star wars!!!!!

So... should we write emails in full force? Or just be happy with what we get ( I vote emails )

Wait a minute ...

You've never seen Star Wars?! :eek:

deedles
11-01-2007, 07:15 AM
Eh... what a load of hogwash. Doesn't anyone here remember all the recent polls about the distrust of the MSM by the public.

Everytime these attacks come, it seems to backfire and send even more people to the message of liberty!

This is what they do when they want to shift the conversation from the specifics... they find someone to marginalize in hopes that the average American will not want to be associated with that.

Just remember, when we are out in public talking to people, to ALWAYS, ALWAYS conduct ourselves in a pleasant, mature manner. Now more than ever.

runningdiz
11-01-2007, 07:27 AM
Grow up people all other candidates get attacked, its normal. The more popular Ron gets the more articles like this we will see. So why act like the sky is falling?

Bradley in DC
11-01-2007, 07:34 AM
I just got done reading the entire article, but seriously, they just perverted our entire movement

They don't have that kind of control over our movement. Only we can pervert it.

stevedasbach
11-01-2007, 07:34 AM
Folks, that was NOT a negative article. Please don't email TIME over this -- all you will accomplish is to convince them that Ron Paul supporters are crazy and discourage them from running any more articles about Dr. Paul.

constituent
11-01-2007, 07:37 AM
seriously.... better stuff going on.

it'd be great if some of our professional friends our there who are representative
of the investors, ceos, cfos, doctors, lawyers, etc. sent them e-mail AFTER the 5th
explaining that they are not nerds, geeks, anarchists on down the line and why they
chose to donate to dr. paul on the fifth.

now, that will make a difference. any glue huffing, game playing, dipshit w/ a keyboard
and a blistering sense of self-righteous indignation writing the first thing that pops into
their head (think was it reduen in the last thread??? sorry if i'm mixing you up w/ someone else) again, for the six hundredth time this month, would be a bad idea.

ladyliberty
11-01-2007, 07:45 AM
They know a piece like this is great for increasing their viewers and advertising ratings! Do not go to that webnsite, do not email them , do not allow them to make any more MONEY from our anger and disgust!

I-G-N-O-R-E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember from now on. we only support POSITIVE articles about the campaign!!!!

The only behavior we can change is our own....

Bradley in DC
11-01-2007, 07:46 AM
Saying "most people who support Ron Paul would be the ones who say ' fuck you, washington' "..... fuck TIME

Don't confirm it to them. Relax, take a chill pill.

I realize you don't see it now, but this article HELPS us more than it hurts. ;)

Pete Kay
11-01-2007, 07:54 AM
They tried to say it's a nerd movement but look at the picture - no nerds there. Maybe one. They are full of crap.

I didn't realize how bad the propaganda was until I talked to my dad about Ron Paul. His first response to hearing me was to say, "Ron Paul is a nutcase." I asked him why. He then said he's just a fringe candidate and that there's no way he could win. He actually supports Giulliani! He didn't even really have any good reasons for saying what he said. I told him that there was no way that red state America was going to vote for a cross dressing adulter who supports abortion. He then said that he'd rather vote for a drag queen than a nutjob. My dad watches Billo. I don't know why I even tried. It's obvious that so many people buy into the media crap. It really pisses me off.

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 07:59 AM
They don't have that kind of control over our movement. Only we can pervert it.

no, their article was a perversion of what we stand for


Main Entry:
1per·vert Listen to the pronunciation of 1pervert
Pronunciation:
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Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French purvertir, pervertir, from Latin pervertere to overturn, corrupt, pervert, from per- thoroughly + vertere to turn — more at per-, worth
Date:
14th century

1 a: to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right : corrupt b: to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted : misdirect2 a: to divert to a wrong end or purpose : misuse b: to twist the meaning or sense of : misinterpret

Vaughn
11-01-2007, 08:00 AM
If you do email be polite. It was definitively below Time to run such a piece, i mean equating all of his supported to "nerds", its so childish.

Valene
11-01-2007, 08:01 AM
Joel Stein openly admits he hates America on his website. He believes it was a mistake to have invaded Iraq. You have to research the writers of these pieces and what their views are, before you go off the deep end. That was as much of an "I Love Ron Paul" that he could get published, plus he's no dummy and knows he will get attention by some negativity.

framecut
11-01-2007, 08:05 AM
Should we email bomb TIME?

Oh, that's real Dale Carnegie of you.

Nothing like proving Time Magazine's point.

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 08:07 AM
Oh, that's real Dale Carnegie of you.

Nothing like proving Time Magazine's point.

Eh, who died and made you perfect

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 08:07 AM
might as well move this to hot topics too

framecut
11-01-2007, 08:10 AM
Remember from now on. we only support POSITIVE articles about the campaign!!!!


Alright, this is bullshit.

You realize you're turning a political cause into a freakin' RELIGION?

It's like when Al Gore mentioned "the debate in the scientific community is over.", I realized he turned what was junk science into a secularized RELIGION.

What I love about Dr. Paul is simple: HE WELCOMES DEBATE.

angelatc
11-01-2007, 08:10 AM
It's not that big of a deal. The only two politicians I've seen mentioned lately are Hillary & Ron Paul. Bad press is better than no press.

Snowfire
11-01-2007, 08:12 AM
Joel Stein openly admits he hates America on his website. He believes it was a mistake to have invaded Iraq. You have to research the writers of these pieces and what their views are, before you go off the deep end. That was as much of an "I Love Ron Paul" that he could get published, plus he's no dummy and knows he will get attention by some negativity.

A very good point, Valene.

"Consider the source", as they say. :D

It's been interesting to watch the progression, however. First, it was "Ron Paul supporters don't exist," then, "They're nutcases," then, "They're racists," then, "They're spam-bot scripters,".

Sounds awful, but "They're nerds" IS a slight improvement.

I wonder what the next label will be...?

.

Bruehound
11-01-2007, 08:17 AM
At least we were portrayed as Hiter Youth.

More importantly the fact they included that quote asking when Bernacke would stop cutting interest rates when gold hits $1000; they are unknowingly planting the seeds of a prophet.

syborius
11-01-2007, 08:18 AM
Saying "most people who support Ron Paul would be the ones who say ' fuck you, washington' ", calling us 'anarchists, nerds', calling Ron Paul a 'nerd', .... instead of writing about the creativity and passion, they spin it into some type of description of spite and weirdness which is the main support base of this movement..... fuck TIME

I concur with that. this article needs a strong rebuke, and Time should apologize

syborius
11-01-2007, 08:20 AM
It's not that big of a deal. The only two politicians I've seen mentioned lately are Hillary & Ron Paul. Bad press is better than no press.

imnot sure I agree, its good for publicity but not winning an election. People read this and just think, yeah, that wacky ron paul, and his wacky supporters, growing like some weed for no apparent reason.. Its time frank luntz gets a piece of our collective mind as well...

paulitics
11-01-2007, 08:21 AM
No, why are we so surprised that this happenned? Why are we surprised when they mention Guy Falkes one time in an article?

Snowfire
11-01-2007, 08:26 AM
this article needs a strong rebuke, and Time should apologize

Then take the "time" to write them. ;) I woudn't hold my breath for an apology, however.

My only concern is that when journalists visit this forum, they'll see the title of this thread and think, "Ah! so they do collectively get together to bombard our e-mail accounts!" When in reality, most of the angry letters will be from independent supporters who don't even come here.


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huchahucha
11-01-2007, 08:27 AM
They call people who donate on Nov. 5th 'anarchists'

Question: How many anarchists does it take to ORGANIZE a pledge drive?

huchahucha
11-01-2007, 08:33 AM
Question: How many anarchists does it take to ORGANIZE a pledge drive?

HA! If you are going to mail bomb them, you should just ask that question and nothing else. That would be hilarious - thousands of emails from supposed anarchists that uniformly say the exact same thing...

priceless.

jgmaynard
11-01-2007, 08:47 AM
This piece was way positive for such a large, mainstream media outlet. They are getting better. We don't want to scare them off, just let them get to know us and the doctor better, and their reporting will get better.

JM

ladyliberty
11-01-2007, 08:48 AM
Alright, this is bullshit.

You realize you're turning a political cause into a freakin' RELIGION?

It's like when Al Gore mentioned "the debate in the scientific community is over.", I realized he turned what was junk science into a secularized RELIGION.

What I love about Dr. Paul is simple: HE WELCOMES DEBATE.

Not religion it is Behavioral Science - pure and simple Operant Conditioning. A response to such articles = reinforcement; no response = extinction of the behavior. We respond only to POSITIVE articles, then they will start printing more positive articles. We only reinforce the behavior that we want to continue and we extinguish the behavior we want to eliminate. Simple, but not always easy!

EXTINCTION

Just as responses can be strengthened by reinforcement, so can they be weakened by extinctionÄarranging things so that no reinforcer follows the Withholding reinforcement for the behavior. Once a response is on extinction, however, it is important that no occurrence of a learned response exceptions to the extinction operations occur. If exceptions do occur, the re eventually make it disappear sponse is being intermittently- reinforced and being made more resistant to extinction. Extinction is easy enough to accomplish in the experimental laboratory. One merely flips a switch to the off position and matters are automatically arranged so that a response previously reinforced, bar pressing for example, now has no consequences. When this happens, a behavior being extinguished declines in strength more or less regularly until finally it ceases to occur altogether.
This simple procedure of withholding reinforcement for a response we wish to weaken is, in the everyday world, terribly difficult to accomplish. For example, suppose a father accompanied by his young son is visiting a friend. Nothing much happens until the child starts to say, "Let's go, Dad." Dad decides to put this behavior on extinction. But, commonly, after hearing "Let's go, Dad," half a dozen times, father loses his patience and reacts. His reaction, "We'll go when I'm ready if you don't mind," is a consequence for the behavior and will more than likely maintain it. The "off switch" is not working. And when the "off switch" works only intermittently, we are producing a response which is more difficult to extinguish than if it had been reinforced every time it occurred.

REINFORCEMENT OR REWARD

A reinforcer increases the probability that a behavior it follows will be repeated
A central concept of operant conditioning is that any given behavior is dependent upon the consequences of that behavior. If these consequences make the behavior more likely to occur in the future, they are called reinforcers. It is important to notice what this statement says and also what it does not say. It does not say, for example, that reinforcement is the same thing as reward, or that reinforcement is something that makes the subject feel good. It does not say that a reinforcement is something that enhances the subject's self-esteem. It does say only that a reinforcer increases the frequency of the response it follows.
An overwhelming reason for noting these properties carefully is to avoid equating reinforcement with reward. There is no guarantee that rewards will be reinforcing. Rewards often come much too late, long after the important behavior has occurred. For example, a boy may be awarded a new baseball bat for getting a certain number of hits during the season. Such a reward will not in itself affect anyone's hitting skills; it merely acknowledges that, somehow, the boy has already become a good hitter. As we shall see in the following pages, a reinforcer must always follow immediately the behavior that is to be affected by it. The actual reinforcers for good hitting are probably the sight of the ball going over the fence, and the cheering of teammates. With an animal, there is no problem about furnishing the reinforcer. One simply deprives the animal of something, say food, and then uses whatever was withheld as a reinforcer.

Brian Bailey
11-01-2007, 09:00 AM
Question: How many anarchists does it take to ORGANIZE a pledge drive?

I like that.

Syren123
11-01-2007, 09:02 AM
Why bother mailbombing TIME? Other than to say "Please cancel my subscription IMMEDIATELY, refrain from ever defiling my home with your toxic rag again and I will never support any of your advertisers from this day forward," they don't give a damn what any of us thinks about their obvious propaganda trash posing as journalism.

me3
11-01-2007, 09:03 AM
They are trying to make US look crazy - - they can't do it to RP anymore, and we're a lot easier to attack :) lol ....
You're helping them make you look crazy by posting profanity in thread titles, and starting threads about email bombing.

Look in the mirror. WWRPD?

mrchubbs
11-01-2007, 09:09 AM
I enjoyed the article. Thought is was good. Sure he put out the general attitude of "crazy" in there, but he did say it was a "subset" of his supporters.

I cringed a bit when he said that Ron Paul doesn't think he can win, but overall I didn't find the article bad.

Or maybe I'm desensitized to the "crazy" label since I've seen it so much.

DjLoTi
11-01-2007, 09:15 AM
You're helping them make you look crazy by posting profanity in thread titles, and starting threads about email bombing.

Look in the mirror. WWRPD?

oh.. yea sorry i should be perfect.

erowe1
11-01-2007, 09:17 AM
We should never ever email bomb anybody. It's stupid. And it doesn't help us. Ever.

me3
11-01-2007, 09:22 AM
oh.. yea sorry i should be perfect.
There are a lot of people on here just waiting for another reactionary thread to start, to get all worked up and arguing with each other.

It helps to take a little time, calm down and not post when emotions are running high.