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Maestro232
07-22-2011, 11:42 AM
RASMUSSEN SHOCK POLL: Barack Obama 41% Ron Paul 37%... developing...

wgadget
07-22-2011, 11:49 AM
I'm only shocked Ron Paul isn't polling higher than Obama.

hillertexas
07-22-2011, 11:55 AM
WOO hOOO!

Maestro232
07-22-2011, 11:55 AM
But compare to their report yesterday...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_obama_leads_perry_bachmann_by_single _digits

Paul's lead is within 4% vs. 5% for Perry 7% for Bachman.

PBrady
07-22-2011, 11:59 AM
Rasmussen is also skewed for Republicans, so I wouldn't take it too seriously. It should, however, plant the seed in the heads of GOP insiders that Ron Paul can outperform the others in the general.

specsaregood
07-22-2011, 11:59 AM
But compare to their report yesterday...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_obama_leads_perry_bachmann_by_single _digits

Paul's lead is within 4% vs. 5% for Perry 7% for Bachman.

Better yet compare it to the horse manure shoveled by foxnews yesterday:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/22/fox-news-poll-romney-perry-bachmann-top-2012-republican-picks/


Romney does best against the president and is the only GOP candidate to keep Obama’s edge to single digits. Obama tops Romney by 6 percentage points. In addition, Romney is the only Republican in these early matchups to top Obama among independents -- by 6 points.

KCIndy
07-22-2011, 12:00 PM
What can we say but......




WHOOT!!!

Maestro232
07-22-2011, 12:01 PM
Rasmussen is also skewed for Republicans, so I wouldn't take it too seriously. It should, however, plant the seed in the heads of GOP insiders that Ron Paul can outperform the others in the general.

I respectfully disagree...they give Romney 1% behind Obama. They love Romney and other RHINO's, not Paul. But we shall see... There are also polls given a generic republican the lead.

outspoken
07-22-2011, 12:06 PM
Once RP starts getting name recognition and people start reading what he's been up to and writing for the last 30 years things will hit a tipping point... I believe we are witnessing a rebirth of the philosophy of liberty. Even when the Constitution was written the vast majority if citizens didn't understand or respect it. I think we will see a line in the sand being drawn between those who get freedom and those who want to be slaves.

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 12:23 PM
I'm only shocked Ron Paul isn't polling higher than Obama.


Me too.

What I'm really glad about is that this is coming out as Perry's folks in Iowa are trying to convince Iowans that a win by Ron in the straw poll would make people stop paying attention to the poll. Yesterday's poll with Ron in third ahead of Perry and now this make that meme very odd.

So Ron is better than Perry in this (a recent PPP poll had Ron doing better against Obama than Perry, but that was just in Texas, I guess) and Ron does better against Obama than Bachmann.

Maestro232
07-22-2011, 12:40 PM
Congressman Ron Paul may be a long shot to win the Republican presidential nomination, but he runs competitively with President Obama right now.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Paul picking up 37% of the vote, while the president earns 41%. The Texas congressman joins Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry as candidates within hailing distance of the president at this time.

h xxp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_41_ron_paul_37

Maestro232
07-22-2011, 12:42 PM
The Paul numbers appear to be from the last week in June actually...strange they waited so long to break the story...

Napoleon's Shadow
07-22-2011, 12:59 PM
Here is the actual link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_41_ron_paul_37

Napoleon's Shadow
07-22-2011, 01:00 PM
The Paul numbers appear to be from the last week in June actually...strange they waited so long to break the story...
And doing it on a Friday too so that it doesn't get much attention.

Maestro232
07-22-2011, 01:07 PM
I'm getting tired of the media treatment of Paul. Imagine how well he'd be doing if he was one of their darlings.

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 02:16 PM
The Paul numbers appear to be from the last week in June actually...strange they waited so long to break the story...

That is odd. And I'm certain they meant to say that he polled second best against Obama after Romney and ahead of Perry, Bachmann and the rest....

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 02:17 PM
And doing it on a Friday too so that it doesn't get much attention.

But Drudge will help :p

mczerone
07-22-2011, 02:19 PM
Rasmussen is also skewed for Republicans, so I wouldn't take it too seriously. It should, however, plant the seed in the heads of GOP insiders that Ron Paul can outperform the others in the general.

But the "insider's insiders" don't care which party is elected, as long as its one of their men. I wouldn't put it past the GOP establishment to run someone certain to lose, because Obama is better, in their opinion, than an uncontrolled Ron Paul.

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 02:25 PM
Rasmussen is also skewed for Republicans, so I wouldn't take it too seriously. It should, however, plant the seed in the heads of GOP insiders that Ron Paul can outperform the others in the general.


The variation between DIFFERENT Republicans shouldn't be triggered by that. Also, the way Rasmussen 'skews' is that it uses a 'likely voter model' not just a 'registered voter' or 'adult' model most of the time, and other pollsters only do that when they are in zone of the election.

DrRP08
07-22-2011, 02:26 PM
the poll was also conducted June 26-27, 2011


Romney's was mid July. We've definitely gained at least a percentage point or two since then.

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 02:27 PM
the poll was also conducted June 26-27, 2011


Romney's was mid July. We've definitely gained at least a percentage point or two since then.

Yet they reported Romney's before reporting Ron's.

Romulus
07-22-2011, 02:31 PM
I'm getting tired of the media treatment of Paul. Imagine how well he'd be doing if he was one of their darlings.

This. It says a lot given how RP is treated. Those numbers are pretty good at this stage of the game.

libertybrewcity
07-22-2011, 02:45 PM
BAM! RP is owning American politics right now

specsaregood
07-22-2011, 02:48 PM
Yet they reported Romney's before reporting Ron's.

It is also before dr. pauls recent bump nationally. I think this bodes very well for us.

White Bear Lake
07-22-2011, 02:53 PM
I'm getting tired of the media treatment of Paul. Imagine how well he'd be doing if he was one of their darlings.



Well that's where Matt Drudge is invaluable.

ItsTime
07-22-2011, 08:24 PM
Ron Paul can win....... Say it with me!

Bruno
07-22-2011, 08:26 PM
Ron Paul can win....... Say it with me!

Ron Paul CAN win!!

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 08:29 PM
We know he can win. It is a matter of getting the media to admit it.

DamianTV
07-22-2011, 08:38 PM
I think we need a Pollster on our team...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

BlackTerrel
07-23-2011, 10:44 AM
what was the "shock" in this poll? Drudge uses a lot of hyperbole.

I think we basically know if Ron gets the nomination he'd have about a 50% chance of winning the whole thing. But that's step 2.

specsaregood
07-23-2011, 12:04 PM
I think we need a Pollster on our team...


Actually they hired a top notch/well respected polling firm recently.

sailingaway
07-23-2011, 01:14 PM
Drudge still has it up today which has to be intentional. Even if you've seen it you should really go back through drudge and check out the visual symmetry of the poll again....

http://drudgereport.com/

right hand column

sailingaway
07-23-2011, 01:16 PM
what was the "shock" in this poll? Drudge uses a lot of hyperbole.

I think we basically know if Ron gets the nomination he'd have about a 50% chance of winning the whole thing. But that's step 2.

Yeah, it makes it sound like the result is unexpected when other polls have had him polling as well or better. I think he was just trying to get their attention. I mean, unless they have short term memory problems, they shouldn't be all that shocked by now.