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Cowlesy
07-22-2011, 10:14 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705

Sounds like it was really bad. Very sad to hear :(

sailingaway
07-22-2011, 10:20 AM
Yeah.

Anti Federalist
07-22-2011, 10:21 AM
Well, now the Norwegians get to join the surveillance state.

pcosmar
07-22-2011, 10:28 AM
Amazingly few casualties for the apparent blast.

The usual conclusions are being jumped to (or promoted).

Seems there have been shots fired as well (nearby),,reportedly by someone in a police uniform.

Anti Federalist
07-22-2011, 10:32 AM
Amazingly few casualties for the apparent blast.

The usual conclusions are being jumped to (or promoted).

Seems there have been shots fired as well (nearby),,reportedly by someone in a police uniform.

If the government, by the end of the day, trots out the scruffy "perp line" of the "usual suspects", and claims to have it all figured out, I'd say it was safe to call bullshit at that point.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 10:33 AM
The shots fired were allegedly at a political youth summer camp for social democrats, and yes - apparently the shooter wore a police uniform.

Edit: So not in the general area of the explosion/explosions.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 10:36 AM
The camp is being held on an isolated island, police are responding to the situation, apparently.

CoreyBowen999
07-22-2011, 10:38 AM
Hope for the best for the people of Oslo..

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 10:43 AM
One eye witness account:

"On the ferry going to the island the person in question identified himself as a police officer doing a routine check in response to apparent terror attack in Oslo."

"Suddenly we heard a lot of shooting, people were running - trying to hide, and we were told to leave the island."

"Some of the young people are trying to swim to the mainland in panic, but it's a long way to the mainland.."

Cowlesy
07-22-2011, 10:43 AM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/nbqKG8i7jyoOtkrqcv5_6Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTUxMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/327f4a3b590eaf10f30e6a70670061f9.jpg

terrible :(

moderate libertarian
07-22-2011, 10:46 AM
Could this be related to Libya? Their leader had recently made threats against Europe.

Norway to quit Libya operation by August
Friday, June 10, 2011
By BJOERN H. AMLAND, Associated Press

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norway will scale down its fighter jet contribution in Libya from six to four planes and withdraw completely from the NATO-led operation by Aug. 1, the government said Friday.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/norway-quit-libya-operation-august


Clinton slams Gaddafi threat to attack Europe
MADRID/TRIPOLI, July 2 | Sat Jul 2, 2011 7:08pm EDT

MADRID/TRIPOLI, July 2 (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stepped up Western calls on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to quit, brushing off his threat to attack Europeans in their homes and offices.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/02/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110702

daviddee
07-22-2011, 10:47 AM
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angelatc
07-22-2011, 10:47 AM
There's really no good reason not to believe it isn't the usual suspects. Norway has been fighting radical Islamic terror ever since the cartoons were printed a few years back. And recently there have been some high profile terror trials in their courts, too.

(This is why Washington wants terrorists tried in tribunals far away from the general populace. Not a decision I always agree with, but it's certainly not a decision that doesn't have some merit.)

Nate-ForLiberty
07-22-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm really sick of seeing this kind of shit.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 10:50 AM
Ignoring the circumstances... I do admire out of the box thinking.
:(

ravedown
07-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Could this be related to Libya? Their leader had recently made threats against Europe.

Norway to quit Libya operation by August
Friday, June 10, 2011
By BJOERN H. AMLAND, Associated Press

Libyan rebel fighters Omar Hussein, left, and Aaron Isa, right, stand guard under a rebel flag at the southern front line of the city of Misrata, Libya Thursday, June 9, 2011. On Wednesday pro-Gadhafi forces renewed their shelling near the western city of Misrata, killing 10 rebel fighters and on Thursday NATO airstrikes rattled the Libyan capital with clusters of bombing runs believed to have targeted the outskirts of Tripoli. (AP Photo/Luis Hidalgo)
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norway will scale down its fighter jet contribution in Libya from six to four planes and withdraw completely from the NATO-led operation by Aug. 1, the government said Friday.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/norway-quit-libya-operation-august

i think making this connection is probably a stretch...this would be hugely damaging to the rebels cause in Libya in that they get all of their funding and intel from UN (american) and by admitting responsibility, would prove that we're in fact funding terrorists.
i noticed lew rockwell made the same inference...but it doesn't make sense strategically. unless these rebels are reaaaaally stupid.

Rothbardian Girl
07-22-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm really sick of seeing this kind of shit.
Agreed wholeheartedly. It's always innocent people who pay for the actions of their governments.

moderate libertarian
07-22-2011, 10:58 AM
Not rebels, Gaddafi had made threat to attack Europe. However Norway was going to end its Libyan mission next week.

Nirvikalpa
07-22-2011, 11:00 AM
I'm really sick of seeing this kind of shit.

How both sad and true :(

Danke
07-22-2011, 11:01 AM
I suspect the French are behind it. Norwegians are making progress in Tour de France.

ds21089
07-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Not rebels, Gaddafi had made threat to attack Europe. However Norway was going to end its Libyan mission next week.

So then perhaps this will be blamed on Gaddafi in an attempt to justify not ending their presence there.. or perhaps by people who want them to stay there fighting? There's a ton of countries attacking Gaddafi. I highly doubt they'd go after the one that was planning on stopping. Gaddafi doesn't want a war.. if he sees a country is going to step out and have no part of it, he will be happy about that - less terrorists for him to face. So for him to do this makes no sense. My money is on somebody who wants to punish Norway for planning to remove their presence there. (hell probably somebody from the US, UK, or France) "Oh look what Gaddafi did. See, he is a monster. All of Europe must unite to take this beast down! Now is not the time to retreat - no rest until this tyrant is defeated" *sigh*

ravedown
07-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Not rebels, Gaddafi had made threat to attack Europe. However Norway was going to end its Libyan mission next week.

well if gaddafi claims responsibility...then NATO will have what it needs to decimate tripoli and obama gets what he wants. possible false flag?

Nirvikalpa
07-22-2011, 11:10 AM
EMS is very busy, that's for sure. I am seeing a lot of head injuries... :(

JackieDan
07-22-2011, 11:13 AM
Well.. Americans kill hundreds of civilians each day in foreign lands, and Norway has been sucking your feet since 9/11. This is sad, but it wasn't unexpected. They tried to do this in Sweden as well, but the bomber failed. Somehow, the more terrorist attack civilians the more encouraged the united states and it's military machine gets, and the same goes to all civilian deaths caused by NATO encourages the terrorists.. So this is basically a war that is never going to end.. Why? Because you have people benefiting from it and that's why it keeps going on without any strategy of winning.

They are laughing at you while you die and sacrifice you liberty for security.

Unelected
07-22-2011, 11:15 AM
Let's not jump to conclusions here. It was likely just a couple of CIA agents on PCP.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:18 AM
Apparently they've caught the shooter, should give some answers.

Anti Federalist
07-22-2011, 11:18 AM
well if gaddafi claims responsibility...then NATO will have what it needs to decimate tripoli and obama gets what he wants. possible false flag?

Bingo.

Radical Libyan Islamists attack the one country that was going to stop bombing them????

Bullshit all around.

My default position is skepticism of anything that government will say about this.

falconplayer11
07-22-2011, 11:18 AM
I HATE the way that conservatives jump so quickly to blame the attack on Muslims. Fox News.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:22 AM
There have been constant threats against Norway for years, as recently as a month ago a new book containing the controversial Muhammad cartoons was published leading to outrage amongst radical Muslims. That's what's being discussed on Danish TV atm.

SamuraisWisdom
07-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Agreed wholeheartedly. It's always innocent people who pay for the actions of their governments.

But that doesn't excuse the people who decided to retaliate by killing civilians instead of attacking that particular government.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:31 AM
Latest reports say that several people were killed during the shooting at the political camp on the island of Utøja, many more wounded.

ClayTrainor
07-22-2011, 11:32 AM
Very sad :(

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:34 AM
The extensive destruction in Oslo points to several explosive devices having been set off, but it is too early to say for sure according to Norwegian police.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:36 AM
There are still dead bodies in the buildings, according to police.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:42 AM
Latest eyewitness reports from the shooting claim that the shooter looked to be Norwegian of appearance.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:52 AM
These eyewitness reports are heartbreaking :-/

"I was talking to my daughter on the phone, she was very frightened - suddenly I could hear her screaming, and the phone went dead. We haven't been able to get a hold of her since" the distraught mother of one of the young people gathered at the political camp told our reporter on the scene.

pcosmar
07-22-2011, 11:54 AM
Latest eyewitness reports from the shooting claim that the shooter looked to be Norwegian of appearance.

Perhaps not Muslim extremists. perhaps Norwegian "extremists".

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 11:55 AM
Right-wing extremism which is allegedly on the rise in Europe is now being brought into the discussion regarding who could have been behind this attack...

EDIT: according to danish TV

pcosmar
07-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Right-wing extremism which is allegedly on the rise in Europe is now being brought into the discussion regarding who could have been behind this attack...

EDIT: according to danish TV

I think the GWOT is pissing a lot of people off. Not just Muslims. And repression and a police state will create "extremists" (dissent)

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 12:01 PM
I think the GWOT is pissing a lot of people off. Not just Muslims. And repression and a police state will create "extremists" (dissent)

That's not dissent, that's just bloody murder, though.

pcosmar
07-22-2011, 12:14 PM
That's not dissent, that's just bloody murder, though.

There is always dissent before violence. (at least politically motivated violence)
Usually because the dissent is ignored, and abuse continues.

I am not really familiar with that area,,,but the sudden "Blame Muslims" has me questioning.
I have seen some National Socialist groups, and there may be some others that are taking it to the next level.

I would not discount a government sponsored event to effect policy.
Too soon to jump to any conclusions.

Pericles
07-22-2011, 12:31 PM
Too soon to jump to any conclusions.

So, I'm not. When I get some more info, I'll walk to a conclusion.

ronpaulhawaii
07-22-2011, 12:53 PM
some pictures

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-638965

quite the blast

pulp8721
07-22-2011, 01:39 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1&hp



A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.

Norway is a member of the NATO alliance and has a small fighting contingent in Afghanistan. It was one of several countries named by Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al Qaeda, as potential targets for attack. In 2006, Norwegian newspapers reprinted Danish cartoons that angered Muslims by lampooning Muhammad. Norway has also historically been a frequent participant in peacekeeping missions and a host for diplomatic talks, including the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestinians. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of the Norwegian Parliament.

Muslim leaders in Norway swiftly condemned the attacks. “This is our homeland, this is my homeland; I condemn these attacks and the Islamic Council of Norway condemns these attacks, whoever is behind them,” said Mehtab Afsar, secretary general of the Islamic Council of Norway.

Someone say "blowback"?

Fredom101
07-22-2011, 01:43 PM
This is ALL the responsibility of government itself. Why even look beyond that? Government created this problem. The nation-state must go. This is what we get with setting up a society around the threat of violence. This problem will never be solved if we go on thinking that if we can just get the "right people" to manage the centralized violence, we will have utopia. Nonsense. This all comes down to philosophy. Having the central planning philosophy means power to the so-called authorities, and these are the results. :(

JK/SEA
07-22-2011, 01:56 PM
Oslo building nearly empty due to holiday?...read this on the Info wars site....wtf?...

Nastynate
07-22-2011, 01:59 PM
Who do you think they'll blame it on. Anarchists or Muslims? Take your pick.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 05:00 PM
Latest news reports say that this is apparently the result of one mans actions, as the man arrested for the shooting at the political camp has also been placed on the scene of the bombing.

moonshineplease
07-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Some Frizzy haired analyst just popped up on NBC News talking about how it may have been either right wing radicals, anarchists, or jihadists. Everyone got that? Cause that's what the people are being told about it thus far.:rolleyes:

NewRightLibertarian
07-22-2011, 05:02 PM
Some Frizzy haired analyst just popped up on NBC News talking about how it may have been either right wing radicals, anarchists, or jihadists. Everyone got that? Cause that's what the people are being told about it thus far.:rolleyes:

The media: "It's (everyone the government wants to demonize)." Thanks for the hard-hitting analysis. How can anyone believe this shit anymore?

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 05:03 PM
The bomb was apparently hidden in a brown van, and was probably constructed using fertilizer. Apparently the man set off the bomb, and used the confusion to carry out the attack at the political camp on an island near Oslo immediately after.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 05:04 PM
The man is in custody, so that should provide some more answers at least.

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 05:06 PM
To be honest, most indications point to right-wing nut-case at the moment :-/

moonshineplease
07-22-2011, 05:09 PM
The media: "It's (everyone the government wants to demonize)." Thanks for the hard-hitting analysis. How can anyone believe this shit anymore?

Exactly. I mean, my parents are addicted to that NBC nightly news with Brian Williams (CFR psyops media personality guy) crap. Millions of people take what NBC says as testament. People must be seeing through it, because they are definitely ramping it up.

Chieppa1
07-22-2011, 05:18 PM
So, we sure it was Muslims and blowback?:

Norway to recognise Palestine if peace talks fail
(http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011/01/20/norway-to-recognise-palestine-if-peace-talks-fail/)

"Norway’s foreign minister has announced that the country will be among the first to recognise a Palestinian state if negotiations with Israel fail to make headway by September. A nine-month deadline has been set by the Palestinians for proclaiming independence, which would also coincide with the completion of Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s two-year effort to set up the basic institutions of a state."

Jonas Gahr Store: - The occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitisk.tv2.no%2Fnyheter%2Fst%25C3 %25B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%25E2%2580%2593-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%25C3%25B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na%2F)

I call the Muslim extermist angle bullshit. And I usually don't go the conspiracy route.

pcosmar
07-22-2011, 05:46 PM
I call the Muslim extermist angle bullshit.

Pretty much,,yup.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2011/0722/Norway-attacks-Details-emerge-about-Utoya-camp-shooting

Police arrested the gunman who opened fire about 5 p.m. on campers, killing at least 10. “We can confirm that a person is arrested, and we believe that he has had dealings with both events,” said Sveinung Sponheim, Norway's national police chief.

Knut Storberget, the country’s justice minister, said police were still investigating the man’s background but confirmed that he was a Norwegian national.

Norwegian Radio cited a witness who said the gunman spoke Norwegian and described him as tall and blonde. Mr. Storberget said it was unclear if the man was acting alone.

Then like most of the rest of the media they go into a long analysis of why it is Muslim extremists. They do make a connection to the OKC False Flag event.
Coverage of this is curious.

edit,
Seems Forbes is calling it Homegrown Terror. And saying the guy acted alone. (really?)
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/22/general-eu-norway-explosion_8580199.html

CasualApathy
07-22-2011, 05:55 PM
Apparently the guy was a freemason.

http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00686/frimurer_686238d.jpg

edit - source: http://translate.google.dk/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fekstrabladet.dk%2Fnyheder%2Fkrigogk atastrofer%2Farticle1590709.ece

Chieppa1
07-22-2011, 05:58 PM
He's on FB. Of course his profile is shady. Why do these guys make it so easy to think "conspiracy"? :_

Anti Federalist
07-22-2011, 06:25 PM
Pretty much,,yup.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2011/0722/Norway-attacks-Details-emerge-about-Utoya-camp-shooting



Then like most of the rest of the media they go into a long analysis of why it is Muslim extremists. They do make a connection to the OKC False Flag event.
Coverage of this is curious.

edit,
Seems Forbes is calling it Homegrown Terror. And saying the guy acted alone. (really?)
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/22/general-eu-norway-explosion_8580199.html

The old "home grown terrorist" angle.

Interesting.

mac_hine
07-22-2011, 06:48 PM
I am not really familiar with that area,,,but the sudden "Blame Muslims" has me questioning.

Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target...

Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood. http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?ID=229906&R=R1...

Norway has excluded Isareli investments.http://sociofonia.org/pipermail/trpalestina_sociofonia.org/2010-August/000147.html

Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism http://www.haaretz.com/news/lieberman-accuses-norway-of-promoting-anti-semitism-1.282524...

Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=16834

Edit: It also turns out that the summer camp where the shootings took place had just concluded a pro-Palestinian rally the day before http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitisk.tv2.no%2Fnyheter%2Fst%25C3 %25B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%25E2%2580%2593-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%25C3%25B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na%2F

See Washington's Blog for more info. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/

Chieppa1
07-22-2011, 07:10 PM
Just imagine if he was a suicide bomber......

moderate libertarian
07-22-2011, 07:20 PM
Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target...

Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood. http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?ID=229906&R=R1...

Norway has excluded Isareli investments.http://sociofonia.org/pipermail/trpalestina_sociofonia.org/2010-August/000147.html

Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism http://www.haaretz.com/news/lieberman-accuses-norway-of-promoting-anti-semitism-1.282524...

Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=16834

Edit: It also turns out that the summer camp where the shootings took place had just concluded a pro-Palestinian rally the day before http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitisk.tv2.no%2Fnyheter%2Fst%25C3 %25B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%25E2%2580%2593-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%25C3%25B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na%2F

See Washington's Blog for more info. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/

When I read this news on Examiner earlier, strange conspiracy theories and comments were being made about this angle by posters there. But all speculation till facts come out.

marc1888
07-22-2011, 07:30 PM
Apparently he is an anti muslim christian zionist. The kids on the island were left wingers and pro palestinian and were advocating a boycott of Israel. Here is an article from yesterday about them http://politisk.tv2.no/nyheter/st%C3%B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%E2%80%93-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%C3%B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/

amy31416
07-22-2011, 08:22 PM
Apparently he is an anti muslim christian zionist. The kids on the island were left wingers and pro palestinian and were advocating a boycott of Israel. Here is an article from yesterday about them http://politisk.tv2.no/nyheter/st%C3%B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%E2%80%93-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%C3%B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/

From the article:


Sammen med NRK-korrespondent Sidsel Wold og Norsk Folkehjelps Kirsten Belck-Olsen, diskuterte utenriksministeren den fastlåste situasjonen mellom Israel og de palestinske selvstyremyndighetene.

Ahh, now it all makes perfect sense!

Anti Federalist
07-22-2011, 08:36 PM
Lew nails it.

No matter what or who or why, the state will justify killing many times more than those who died today, in "revenge" of what-have-you, while tightening the noose of the police state around us all.


War in Norway

Posted by Lew Rockwell on July 22, 2011 01:35 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/91900.html

Normally, graphic photos of war victims and destroyed property are banned by the US state-run media. When acts of war—and what is terrorism but war?—are useful to the US and its allies in their wars, we see and hear all about them. Yet this horror is what the Pentagon commits many times, every day, in 6 or 7 different countries, and no one seems to care.

I do not know who murdered all these Norwegian children and adults, God rest their souls, but I do know this: their deaths will be used as an excuse to kill many, many more children and adults, and to fasten the screws of the police state even more deeply into Europeans and us.

Zippyjuan
07-22-2011, 08:37 PM
Death toll at the kids camp now said to be 80. English background on him according to FOX: http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpps/news/details-emerge-about-norway-terror-suspect-dpgonc-20110722-kh_14255246

moderate libertarian
07-22-2011, 08:59 PM
Apparently he is an anti muslim christian zionist. The kids on the island were left wingers and pro palestinian and were advocating a boycott of Israel. Here is an article from yesterday about them http://politisk.tv2.no/nyheter/st%C3%B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%E2%80%93-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%C3%B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/

I know I speculated earlier too about Libyan connection but again earlier reports and assumptions are not always right. Just replied to your post.

If this is same camp, that would be interesting piece of news. However we should be careful in assuming till initial reports are confirmed as they are often wrong. Earlier it was blamed on "helpers of global jihad" by NYT and Drudge. Now soon after name of suspect was released, many people on twiiter are pointing fingers at Israel.

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com/


But all speculations till facts come out.

BucksforPaul
07-23-2011, 01:00 AM
There's really no good reason not to believe it isn't the usual suspects. Norway has been fighting radical Islamic terror ever since the cartoons were printed a few years back. And recently there have been some high profile terror trials in their courts, too.

(This is why Washington wants terrorists tried in tribunals far away from the general populace. Not a decision I always agree with, but it's certainly not a decision that doesn't have some merit.)

Wrong as usual since this terrorist seems to be a Christian. Talk about jumping to conclusions.

ClayTrainor
07-23-2011, 01:04 AM
Lew nails it.

No matter what or who or why, the state will justify killing many times more than those who died today, in "revenge" of what-have-you, while tightening the noose of the police state around us all.


War in Norway

Posted by Lew Rockwell on July 22, 2011 01:35 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/91900.html

Normally, graphic photos of war victims and destroyed property are banned by the US state-run media. When acts of war—and what is terrorism but war?—are useful to the US and its allies in their wars, we see and hear all about them. Yet this horror is what the Pentagon commits many times, every day, in 6 or 7 different countries, and no one seems to care.

I do not know who murdered all these Norwegian children and adults, God rest their souls, but I do know this: their deaths will be used as an excuse to kill many, many more children and adults, and to fasten the screws of the police state even more deeply into Europeans and us.

Summed up to perfection.

BucksforPaul
07-23-2011, 01:09 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=1&hp


A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism.


So what is this bullshit and are we going to ignore this blatant lie?

GreenCardSeeker
07-23-2011, 03:57 AM
I've been reading the writings of this man now, the ones found on Islam-hating document.no (http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/).

He apparently hates Islam and Palestine, loves the state of Israel, wants to ban all "hate ideologies," which according to him consist of Nazism, Communism and Islam. He distances himself from ethnocentrism and is sad when Norwegians embrace their ethnic identity in the face of violence by foreigners. In spite of using the name "cultural conservative" for himself, he distances himself from homophobia and wants to welcome gay activists to his movement. He hates people referring to Israel as a racist state, and he states that since the enemy has no moral integrity, his movement can't have any either. To quote him: "They've set the rules, we only follow them."

In spite of this, now he's referred to as a nationalist in media over here, in spite of distancing himself from it in his own words, never calling himself a nationalist, and killing 91 of his own countrymen.

And can you believe he now risks a maximum of 21 years in prison for this massacre? And will probably be out in 15 or so.

Cowlesy
07-23-2011, 05:24 AM
Apparently he is an anti muslim christian zionist. The kids on the island were left wingers and pro palestinian and were advocating a boycott of Israel. Here is an article from yesterday about them http://politisk.tv2.no/nyheter/st%C3%B8re-om-israel-palestina-konflikten-%E2%80%93-okkupasjonen-ma-opph%C3%B8re-muren-ma-rives-og-det-ma-skje-na/

Well now how are Geert Wilders and the Jihadi hunters going to leverage this if the guy 1.) was anti-Palestine 2.) was not a nationalist.

amy31416
07-23-2011, 05:37 AM
Well now how are Geert Wilders and the Jihadi hunters going to leverage this if the guy 1.) was anti-Palestine 2.) was not a nationalist.

I don't know what Geert Wilders will do, but I do know that our media here will exploit the "right wing" aspect (and ignore his anti-Palestine/non-nationalist views) to further demonize Tea Party types here.

A Son of Liberty
07-23-2011, 05:38 AM
Peace and prayers to friends and family.

The editorials and commentary on this shall prove interesting to observe, no doubt.

I'm particularly interested to hear what Beck will have to say...

GreenCardSeeker
07-23-2011, 05:41 AM
Well now how are Geert Wilders and the Jihadi hunters going to leverage this if the guy 1.) was anti-Palestine 2.) was not a nationalist.

Funny thing is that he was a big fan of Geert Wilders and talked quite a bit about him, Robert Spencer and similar people, who he viewed as his brothers-in-arms. It's also rumoured that this man might have been the blogger Fjordman for at least some period too.

Todd
07-23-2011, 05:49 AM
If the government, by the end of the day, trots out the scruffy "perp line" of the "usual suspects", and claims to have it all figured out, I'd say it was safe to call bullshit at that point.

Well get ready to call it. The story 's gone from home grown al qaeda to right wing extremist in 24 hours.

GreenCardSeeker
07-23-2011, 08:14 AM
I made a brief translated compilation of his political comments available now on http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shooter-and.html .

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 08:16 AM
A lone nut.
All the "security"in the world will not stop a lone nut. EVER.

But that won't stop them from infringing on the whole world to exert their "controls".

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 08:20 AM
A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism.

I wonder how much money they make for being consistently wrong?

ExPatPaki
07-23-2011, 09:32 AM
So am I, like, not supposed to judge all Christian Zionists by the action of this one guy?

If this guy was a Muslim, you can bet the media would be calling this 'Norway's 9/11'

LibForestPaul
07-23-2011, 09:38 AM
To be honest, most indications point to right-wing nut-case at the moment :-/

As opposed to the constant statist-nuts running the show?

wannaberocker
07-23-2011, 09:42 AM
So am I, like, not supposed to judge all Christian Zionists by the action of this one guy?

If this guy was a Muslim, you can bet the media would be calling this 'Norway's 9/11'


Actually if this guy were a muslim they wouldnt even call him a terrorist.

angelatc
07-23-2011, 09:45 AM
Wrong as usual since this terrorist seems to be a Christian. Talk about jumping to conclusions.

I'm wasn't wrong. I didn't say that it was Muslim terrorists. I said it made sense to suspect them.

There was no reason not to initially suspect Muslim terrorists. Like it or not, most of the world's terrorism currently stems from radical Islam.

angelatc
07-23-2011, 09:46 AM
So am I, like, not supposed to judge all Christian Zionists by the action of this one guy?

If this guy was a Muslim, you can bet the media would be calling this 'Norway's 9/11'

That's an excellent observation.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 09:56 AM
So am I, like, not supposed to judge all Christian Zionists by the action of this one guy?

If this guy was a Muslim, you can bet the media would be calling this 'Norway's 9/11'

Actually the "christian Zionists" are just as misinformed and manipulated as the "Islamic radicals".

I am not so interested in this guys public writings as much as who was whispering in his ear.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 10:01 AM
As opposed to the constant statist-nuts running the show?

I was just saying what it looks like, and it has been pretty much confirmed now anyway. The man is a cold blooded killer, his ideology doesn't change that one way or the other. Anyone who kills to promote an ideology is a sick and dangerous individual, simple as that.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 10:16 AM
I was just saying what it looks like, and it has been pretty much confirmed now anyway. The man is a cold blooded killer, his ideology doesn't change that one way or the other. Anyone who kills to promote an ideology is a sick and dangerous individual, simple as that.

What about those that are merely programed to do so? (blame the programers)

Was this guy using any psycho programing medications? was he under the "care" of any professionals?

I have more questions than I am finding logical answers to.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 10:31 AM
What about those that are merely programed to do so? (blame the programers)

Was this guy using any psycho programing medications? was he under the "care" of any professionals?

I have more questions than I am finding logical answers to.

It's too early to really say what motivated him, and I understand your skepticism, but I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that these are the actions of a twisted individual with no respect for human life. They have always existed, sadly.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 10:36 AM
It's too early to really say what motivated him, and I understand your skepticism, but I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that these are the actions of a twisted individual with no respect for human life. They have always existed, sadly.

No one does something without a reason and a purpose. Something to gain.

This man had nothing to gain.

Someone did.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 10:38 AM
No one does something without a reason and a purpose. Something to gain.

This man had nothing to gain.

Someone did.

I don't believe that. Serial killers can murder people in cold blood just for the attention.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 10:43 AM
I don't believe that. Serial killers can murder people in cold blood just for the attention.

nope.
they do it for personal gratification. And avoid getting caught or exposing themselves.

This does not fit that profile.

sparebulb
07-23-2011, 10:46 AM
It will be interesting to see where the public opinion goes with this. The average citizen may be wary of following curious orders from a man dressed in a police costume. The worst part about this event is that, while heavily controlled, Norway was one of the most gun-friendly nations in Europe. From the conspiratorial mindset, the event may have been chosen to happen in Norway to hasten the UN gun-grabbing agenda.

BlackTerrel
07-23-2011, 10:47 AM
This is incredibly sad. These pictures are horrific. Person or people who did this are not human.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 10:48 AM
nope.
they do it for personal gratification. And avoid getting caught or exposing themselves.

This does not fit that profile.

That's what I said, they enjoy the attention... some don't actually enjoy the act of killing itself, others do. Like I said, it's too early to say what motivated him for sure, but looking at him, reading his facebook and twitter, it's pretty clear to me at least that this is a sick man who felt justified to do what he did.

BlackTerrel
07-23-2011, 10:48 AM
So am I, like, not supposed to judge all Christian Zionists by the action of this one guy?

If this guy was a Muslim, you can bet the media would be calling this 'Norway's 9/11'

If he was Muslim everyone here would be saying "false flag" or "blowback". I guess none of that now.

wannaberocker
07-23-2011, 10:53 AM
The UK daily Mail called him a Neo Nazi and the AP called him "Pro Israel". Now how many Neo Nazi's are pro Israel ? Something tells me the guy could simply have been nuts (but its pure speculation on my part).

Chieppa1
07-23-2011, 10:54 AM
If he was Muslim everyone here would be saying "false flag" or "blowback". I guess none of that now.

Oh, I'm sure we can twist it to Israeli Mossad....

amy31416
07-23-2011, 10:55 AM
If he was Muslim everyone here would be saying "false flag" or "blowback". I guess none of that now.

And you'd be saying "I told you so! Muslims suck!"

For the record, yes, I would try to figure out motivation--which does often involve "blowback." Why would it bother you if it's not applicable here? I'm still curious about this guy's motivations.

klamath
07-23-2011, 10:56 AM
That's what I said, they enjoy the attention... some don't actually enjoy the act of killing itself, others do. Like I said, it's too early to say what motivated him for sure, but looking at him, reading his facebook and twitter, it's pretty clear to me at least that this is a sick man who felt justified to do what he did.

Another +1 to you. It is a very dangerous trend when people work themselves into the political justification for violence and it happens all the time.

Cowlesy
07-23-2011, 10:59 AM
The guy shot what appears to be now 85 KIDS at that Island.

I don't think there is a hell hot enough for this guy.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 11:01 AM
If he was Muslim everyone here would be saying "false flag" or "blowback". I guess none of that now.

Either you haven't read the thread or you are ignoring several posts to that effect.

Both of those have been mentioned.
I favor False Flag. but am still looking for more information.

I personally do not believe this guy acted alone, and suspect he was programed to do this.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2011, 11:03 AM
Another +1 to you. It is a very dangerous trend when people work themselves into the political justification for violence and it happens all the time.

Yup, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, just to name a few.

Our drones and missiles kill as many people every day.

ExPatPaki
07-23-2011, 11:03 AM
If he was Muslim everyone here would be saying "false flag" or "blowback". I guess none of that now.

Blowback would make sense to intelligent people. But since you are not intelligent based on your posting history, you would make a post like that.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 11:06 AM
A thing that really infuriates me about our justice system over here is the fact that this piece of **** is facing a maximum penalty of just 21 years in prison for what he did. :-/

klamath
07-23-2011, 11:07 AM
....and some people look at the wars their county is involved in and figure the best way to help it is to kill some innocent citizens in their own country. That makes it even and all better.

Danke
07-23-2011, 11:09 AM
A thing that really infuriates me about our justice system over here is the fact that this piece of **** is facing a maximum penalty of just 21 years in prison for what he did. :-/

wut?

Echoes
07-23-2011, 11:10 AM
Isnt it highly 'coincidental' this came out days after DHS released that vid warning us of white terrorists. It's early but somethng doesnt smell right, the same kind of feeling i had when i first heard the Bin Ladin death fable. Wait and see, i guess.

BlackTerrel
07-23-2011, 11:10 AM
Either you haven't read the thread or you are ignoring several posts to that effect.

Both of those have been mentioned.
I favor False Flag. but am still looking for more information.

I personally do not believe this guy acted alone, and suspect he was programed to do this.

People have said "blowback" due to Norway supporting Palestine and favoring Muslim immigration?

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 11:14 AM
wut?

http://translate.google.dk/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr.dk%2FNyheder%2FUdland%2F2011 %2F07%2F23%2F090312.htm

He is charged with two counts of committing terrorism, which carries a maximum penalty of 21 years. *sigh*

BlackTerrel
07-23-2011, 11:15 AM
http://translate.google.dk/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr.dk%2FNyheder%2FUdland%2F2011 %2F07%2F23%2F090312.htm

He is charged with two counts of committing terrorism, which carries a maximum penalty of 21 years. *sigh*

If he did it. This dude should be shot and be done with it.

GreenCardSeeker
07-23-2011, 11:15 AM
wut?

Scandinavian justice systems are insane, 21 years is the maximum possible sentence in the Norwegian system, and I guess he'll be released on parole before that too.

In Sweden, an army man named Mattias Flink shot up seven people with his service rifle back in 1994, after his girlfriend was breaking up with him. He's being released in a couple of years, and he gets a full day of unsupervised furlough a month. It looks like he'll have served about three years for every person he killed.

But from the looks of it, this man will serve mere months for every casualty.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 11:17 AM
Scandinavian justice has a strong belief in rehabilitation, basically no one is considered a lost cause *sigh*

Edit: If he wants to, they'll even help him get an education while he is in there. :-/

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 11:17 AM
I started watching this when it was first posted by Cowlesy,.

I went immediately to some live feeds from the area,,,and what struck me first was the scene.
The dust had not settled, the blast had just happened. There were media, both news crews and citizens filming for some time and NO emergency response. No Police to be seen , No fire or ambulance. many folks wandering in the scenes before the first sirens could be heard.

The total absence of police struck me first. In a city that had just conducted terrorism drills. In an area of the city with high level government offices.

That was curious.

Chieppa1
07-23-2011, 11:21 AM
Supposedly Oslo always has a small police presence.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 11:23 AM
Supposedly Oslo always has a small police presence.

True, there's just way fewer cops in general compared to the US.

Danke
07-23-2011, 11:26 AM
Scandinavian justice systems are insane, 21 years is the maximum possible sentence in the Norwegian system, and I guess he'll be released on parole before that too.

In Sweden, an army man named Mattias Flink shot up seven people with his service rifle back in 1994, after his girlfriend was breaking up with him. He's being released in a couple of years, and he gets a full day of unsupervised furlough a month. It looks like he'll have served about three years for every person he killed.

But from the looks of it, this man will serve mere months for every casualty.

Sounds like the victims' families need to take a trip on the Orient Express in 21 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_on_the_Orient_Express

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 11:40 AM
True, there's just way fewer cops in general compared to the US.

Compared with the US police state perhaps.

http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/oslo-police.jpg

http://www.impactlab.net/2008/03/08/crime-rate-in-oslo-is-four-times-that-of-nyc/

But a bit of Google search beyond present headlines show a bit more.

http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2009/m01/x166192249107064676_6.jpg

http://zelikow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/oslo_police_mobile_terror_unit_1_575.png?w=575&h=431
http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/more-demonstrations-for-peace-in-oslo/

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 11:49 AM
Compared with the US police state perhaps.

http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/oslo-police.jpg

http://www.impactlab.net/2008/03/08/crime-rate-in-oslo-is-four-times-that-of-nyc/

But a bit of Google search beyond present headlines show a bit more.

http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2009/m01/x166192249107064676_6.jpg

http://zelikow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/oslo_police_mobile_terror_unit_1_575.png?w=575&h=431
http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/more-demonstrations-for-peace-in-oslo/

Yeah, lol - every time we have a riot or protest in Denmark, they have to call in police from all around the country to handle it xD

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Yeah, lol - every time we have a riot or protest in Denmark, they have to call in police from all around the country to handle it xD

Yeah,, funny.
I was able to find a lot of photos of "Oslo Police" in seconds searching. Vehicles en-mass, Riot gear and machine guns. All the stuff you would expect from a well equipped Police State.
I have even heard that they conducted training exercises just days before this event.

And yet there was a noticeable absence when actually needed.

This I find curious.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 12:14 PM
Yeah,, funny.
I was able to find a lot of photos of "Oslo Police" in seconds searching. Vehicles en-mass, Riot gear and machine guns. All the stuff you would expect from a well equipped Police State.
I have even heard that they conducted training exercises just days before this event.

And yet there was a noticeable absence when actually needed.

This I find curious.

They responded within minutes to the bombing though, like 3-4 minutes max. That's pretty normal. It took them 40 minutes to respond to the shooting at the political camp, and 90 minutes in total before they stopped the shooter, that's kinda slow (especially the 50 minutes where they didn't move in to stop him), but they will have been under orders to wait for the special forces police i figure.

Norway doesn't have swat teams on stand-by and ready to move out within minutes the same way you do in the US, and all of their initial attention would have been focused on the bombing.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 12:47 PM
Norway doesn't have swat teams on stand-by and ready to move out within minutes the same way you do in the US, and all of their initial attention would have been focused on the bombing.

Perhaps,
But I am having no problem finding information on Police Patrol boats. And some very nice high speed ones as well.
though the focus seems to be preventing recreational alcohol use.

QueenB4Liberty
07-23-2011, 12:50 PM
I started watching this when it was first posted by Cowlesy,.

I went immediately to some live feeds from the area,,,and what struck me first was the scene.
The dust had not settled, the blast had just happened. There were media, both news crews and citizens filming for some time and NO emergency response. No Police to be seen , No fire or ambulance. many folks wandering in the scenes before the first sirens could be heard.

The total absence of police struck me first. In a city that had just conducted terrorism drills. In an area of the city with high level government offices.

That was curious.


They conducted terrorism bombing drills days before? Source?

Kind of reminds of me how our country was doing terrorism drills of planes flying into buildings on the morning of 9/11.

Those poor children. :(

A. Havnes
07-23-2011, 12:53 PM
Scandinavian justice has a strong belief in rehabilitation, basically no one is considered a lost cause *sigh*

Edit: If he wants to, they'll even help him get an education while he is in there. :-/

I tend to agree with them, except that there needs to be some justice served, not just rehabilitation.

Lucille
07-23-2011, 12:54 PM
Yup, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, just to name a few.

Our drones and missiles kill as many people every day.

The logic of neocon rage (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/07/horror-of-neocons.html)


So, it's evil for Saudis to kill Americans, it's evil for Norwegians to kill Norwegians and nominal Norwegians, but it is a moral imperative for Americans to kill Iraqis and Iranians. Got it? Let's compare the bodycount to date:

9/11: 2,996 deaths. VISCERAL RAGE!
Oslo: 92 deaths. DEPTHLESS AND SATANIC EVIL!
Iraq: 135,369 deaths. NOT ENOUGH DEAD SUNNIS! (1)
Iran: ???? deaths. SAVE ISRAEL FROM AMALEK! (2)

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 01:12 PM
They conducted terrorism bombing drills days before? Source?

Kind of reminds of me how our country was doing terrorism drills of planes flying into buildings on the morning of 9/11.

Those poor children. :(
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/22/oslo-police-conducted-bombing-exercise-days-before-terrorist-blast
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread731545/pg1

jonhowe
07-23-2011, 01:31 PM
Either you haven't read the thread or you are ignoring several posts to that effect.

Both of those have been mentioned.
I favor False Flag. but am still looking for more information.

I personally do not believe this guy acted alone, and suspect he was programed to do this.


Not everything is a conspiracy... There are truly evil/twisted people in this world. You're automatically assuming that this was a false flag attack, and then desperately searching for evidence to back up your baseless assumption. This is not the right way to conduct ANY search for truth. Start with a blank slate and analyze the evidence, THEN come to a conclusion.

You have the whole thing backward.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Not everything is a conspiracy... There are truly evil/twisted people in this world. You're automatically assuming that this was a false flag attack, and then desperately searching for evidence to back up your baseless assumption. This is not the right way to conduct ANY search for truth. Start with a blank slate and analyze the evidence, THEN come to a conclusion.

You have the whole thing backward.
I am not "automatically" assuming anything.

I am following the information,,and ignoring the deliberate attempts by media to shape opinion.
I started watching this from the beginning, and was the first one to post here about the shootings.

I called the "Muslim connection" bullshit from the start. I also question the spoon fed and recently created Facebook and Twitter information.
I question the obvious lack of police response.

In short,, I question everything. But I have no doubts about an increased Police State and an expanded War on Liberty.

moderate libertarian
07-23-2011, 01:50 PM
The UK daily Mail called him a Neo Nazi and the AP called him "Pro Israel". Now how many Neo Nazi's are pro Israel ? Something tells me the guy could simply have been nuts (but its pure speculation on my part).

Such claims/speculations seemed strange to me too when first read news reports from US and Europe on this. Things are starting to become a bit clearer than before now although new "facts" could come out later still. But if latest reports have some basis that alleged terrorist who murdered over 90 innocent people had wanted to create a group like controversial British EDL, then such seemingly contradictory mindset could be plausible ( EDL claims to be pro-Israel and has also been accused of promoting Neo Nazi type messages). But the guy was a nut indeed who turned out to be a violent terrorist nut.


Security Analysis: Norway's Terror Attacks

He discussed plans to build a media presence of cultural conservatives and set up a Norwegian equivalent of the English Defence League but to avoid being tagged as racist.

"We have selected the Vienna school of thought as the ideological basis. This implies opposition to multiculturalism and Islamisation (on cultural grounds). All ideological arguments based on anti-racism," he allegedly wrote.

Hardly an ultra-violent manifesto.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/NORWAY-Sky-Security-Editor-Sam-Kiley-Analyses-The-Norway-Terror-Attacks/Article/201107416036154?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_16036154_NORWAY_Sky_Security_Editor_Sa m_Kiley_Analyses_The_Norway_Terror_Attacks

Youth camp where shhoting attack took place held pro Palestinian rally day before. Norway's foreign minister Jonas Gahr Store had visited the camp and in photo below is seen with youth camp leader Eskil Pedersen who survived the terror attack:

Støre: - Palestinerne er i stand til å styre egen stat

http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2011/07/21/1311267382157_327.jpg
UTØYA: Utenriksminister Jonas Gahr Støre (t.v.) og AUF-leder Eskil Pedersen, med et «Boikott Israel»-flagg i bakgrunnen, på AUFs sommerleir på Utøya

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10097135

EDL is same group that was invited to New York for anti mosque protests by Robert Spencer and folks. They claim they are not racist and pro Israel.

http://www.libertiesalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/EDL-and-Rabbi-500.jpg

http://www.libertiesalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/EDL-NY-500.jpg

But others have different views.

Not In Our Name - Jews Against the EDL

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41591_154699991233294_1588354_n.jpg

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Not-In-Our-Name-Jews-Against-the-EDL/154699991233294


These connections are less speculative than yesterday but still based on very early reporting.

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 02:07 PM
Perhaps,
But I am having no problem finding information on Police Patrol boats. And some very nice high speed ones as well.
though the focus seems to be preventing recreational alcohol use.

The police were probably scared to move in, fearing for their own safety :-/

It wouldn't surprise me sadly...

CasualApathy
07-23-2011, 02:10 PM
I tend to agree with them, except that there needs to be some justice served, not just rehabilitation.

I do as well, in most cases. I certainly wouldn't prefer the crime factories some US prisons seem to have turned into, and in many cases your legal system seems a bit backwards, but in cases like this I wish the bastard would be facing the full force an fury of the American legal system.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 02:14 PM
I do as well, in most cases. I certainly wouldn't prefer the crime factories some US prisons seem to have turned into, and in many cases your legal system seems a bit backwards, but in cases like this I wish the bastard would be facing the full force an fury of the American legal system.
I would prefer a full and extensive investigation (doubts) and then turning him over to grieving relatives.

moderate libertarian
07-23-2011, 05:07 PM
I would prefer a full and extensive investigation (doubts) and then turning him over to grieving relatives.

He deserves the justice that will come his way.

VG has published his photos. This photo with advanced weapons may explain how he may have been able to murder 90 children and other people.

http://static04.vg.no/drfront/images/2011-07/23/88-98b88918-9b1830ae.jpeg

http://www.vg.no/

Anti Federalist
07-23-2011, 05:20 PM
^^^^^^^


I don't know that that is an "advanced weapon".

Looks to me like maybe a Mini-30.

Of which I have two.

But it's safe to say the Norwegians can kiss away any gun rights they may have had before this.

ClayTrainor
07-23-2011, 05:22 PM
^^^^^^^


I don't know that that is an "advanced weapon".

Looks to me like maybe a Mini-30.

Of which I have two.

But it's safe to say the Norwegians can kiss away any gun rights they may have had before this.

If you're referring to the pic on the rightside of post #132, To me, that looks like an M14 with some attachments. But, I speak strictly from videogame knowledge.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 05:48 PM
He deserves the justice that will come his way.

VG has published his photos.

And you have verified these photos? Examined them for any Photo-manipulation?
(they look pretty doctored to me,,without close examination)
I am rather curious about his recent online activity.
Why would a fiercely Nationalist publish a Facebook and twitter accounts in English? (not his native tongue)

I am thinking there is quite a bit of fabrication going on.

moderate libertarian
07-23-2011, 05:56 PM
Nope I have not verified these photos and was taking on face value as these are on frontpage of VG, their news office is just bloicks from terror attack site in Oslo.
But I'm in general cautious in reading news reports and realize that "facts" can change later.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2011, 05:57 PM
If you're referring to the pic on the rightside of post #132, To me, that looks like an M14 with some attachments. But, I speak strictly from videogame knowledge.

http://ultimak.com/main/MainSextet.jpg

Hard to tell with the shit hanging off it, but it looks like it does not have the gas cyclider under the barrel and has curved magazine and no flash suppressor.

The Ruger Mini design is Garand knockoff anyways, they are practically sister designs.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 06:01 PM
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Hard to tell with the shit hanging off it, but it looks like it does not have the gas cyclider under the barrel and has curved magazine and no flash suppressor.

Looks about as real as this.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs36/i/2008/250/7/f/Photoshop_Gun_III_by_BeBop953.jpg

take a close look at the hand on the fore-grip.
It would be nice to see the original Photos these were made from.

moderate libertarian
07-23-2011, 06:05 PM
By the way pcosmar , I don't disagree that news fabrication is not uncommon in media but if you have some ideas on such a news fabrication that you can share, might help understand where you were coming from on this issue.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 06:18 PM
By the way pcosmar , I don't disagree that news fabrication is not uncommon in media but if you have some ideas on such a news fabrication that you can share, might help understand where you were coming from on this issue.

Well aside from those "photos" being cut from any background,, they look faked. i would need the actual images to be sure (rather than the copy /paste from the paper) The hand on the rifle looks wrong and the rifle itself looks fake (at least the gadgets)

the uniform head could be a simple copy/paste. especially with any background missing.

And I have made other concerns with this whole story known in several threads.

Cowlesy
07-23-2011, 06:20 PM
And here ya go...

http://i.imgur.com/1rlkn.png

Anti Federalist
07-23-2011, 06:26 PM
^^^^^^^^^^

Well, that didn't take long now, did it?

MIAC justified.

squarepusher
07-23-2011, 06:27 PM
This guy was bat *** nuts.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384#comment_page=3

Cowlesy
07-23-2011, 06:30 PM
^^^^^^^^^^

Well, that didn't take long now, did it?

MIAC justified.

Notice they got "Right Wing Extremist" in there along with "gun-loving, highly religious."

The NY Times cannot let a good crisis go to waste. Loughner was a lefty psychopath, and I don't pin that on other left-heads. I bet the NY Times grumbles a little bit it wasn't a bunch of muslim children so they could call him a racist too, but since he gunned down a bunch of nordic kids, that dog won't hunt.

But the Times still has guns, religion, and right-wing. So that'll suffice to work on putting the hurt on their enemies. They could care less the guy slaughtered kids.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2011, 06:35 PM
Notice they got "Right Wing Extremist" in there along with "gun-loving, highly religious."

The NY Times cannot let a good crisis go to waste. Loughner was a lefty psychopath, and I don't pin that on other left-heads. I bet the NY Times grumbles a little bit it wasn't a bunch of muslim children so they could call him a racist too, but since he gunned down a bunch of nordic kids, that dog won't hunt.

But the Times still has guns, religion, and right-wing. So that'll suffice to work on putting the hurt on their enemies. They could care less the guy slaughtered kids.

Of course not, have you ever seen one of these mass shootings happen that the statists and gun grabbers weren't dancing in the victim's blood within 24 hours.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but he was "pro Israel" so the anti semitic dog won't hunt either.

pcosmar
07-23-2011, 06:38 PM
This guy was bat *** nuts.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384#comment_page=3

:rolleyes:
That would be the Facebook page that was just recently created along with a Twitter account with ONLY one tweet. (in English)

From a Fiercely Nationalistic Norwegian. (in English) not in his native tongue.

and you believe that is not fabricated,, why???

Matthew Zak
07-23-2011, 06:44 PM
Now we know why they "tied up the osama loose end". Just like global warming, I mean climate change... terror is no longer al-qiada, it's everyone.

In chess terms: Check.

Cowlesy
07-23-2011, 06:46 PM
Of course not, have you ever seen one of these mass shootings happen that the statists and gun grabbers weren't dancing in the victim's blood within 24 hours.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but he was "pro Israel" so the anti semitic dog won't hunt either.

I see they were trying to tie this guy to the Jihad bogey-couple of Pam Geller and Robert Spencer. I don't agree with them on much especially with foreign policy and their demagoguery, but it's just as unfair to stick this guy with them. I see people like the Little Green Footballs guy doing it to them.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/norway-shooter-a-charles-johnson-fan.html

Lone nut-jobs are lone nut-jobs.

squarepusher
07-23-2011, 07:34 PM
No matter what argument is made demonizing 'gun-loving' people, if a single person on that island had a gun, it would have been over in likely less than 5 minutes. Nothing can be said to detract from this gaping flaw in logic.

V3n
12-20-2012, 10:29 AM
Flashback Norway

Wikipedia:


Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈɑn:əʂ ˈbeːrɪŋ ˈbrɛiviːk]; born 13 February 1979) is the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks. In a sequential bombing and mass shooting on 22 July 2011, he bombed government buildings in Oslo, resulting in eight deaths, then carried out a mass shooting at a camp of the Workers' Youth League (AUF) of the Labour Party on the island of Utøya, where he killed 69 people, mostly teenagers. He was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism in August 2012.

Also from Wikipedia - "Gun Politics in Norway": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

It looks like these attacks happened in 2011 - but gun laws haven't been updated since 2009 ? It also looks like Assault Weapons were banned in 2009, but that didn't do anything to stop this. What was Norway's response? Did they have any kind of knee-jerk "ban everything and take them all away!" response that we see in this country?

I think there's got to be some kind of statement here, some kind of parallel - something we can say about stopping the knee-jerk reactions that always result in taking away our Liberty. Here's a similar circumstance to our own - much worse actually - and the populace didn't seem to flip completely bonkers. What can be said?