View Full Version : Bachmann and Paul voted NO on Cut Cap and Balance bill...
wgadget
07-20-2011, 06:40 AM
Interesting, interesting.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-2012-hopefuls-among-9-republicans-vo
ChrisDixon
07-20-2011, 09:49 AM
It would be wise to reach out to Bachmann supporters to strike common ground. It doesn't hurt to do so. We, as a grassroots, need to start being friendly with the opposition. We will need them if Ron gets the nomination.
Even better scenario? If we're friendly, they might listen to us more about Ron. Consider this common ground a bridge. Build it and walk it, we're going to need it to win the primary.
Sola_Fide
07-20-2011, 09:56 AM
I have no problem saying she did the right thing here.
Sola_Fide
07-20-2011, 09:58 AM
I got the strange feeling when I saw the layout of that article that whoever wrote it was trying to convey a message of a Bachmann/Paul ticket...
sailingaway
07-20-2011, 09:58 AM
Yeah, she has been following his votes since the tea party rioted about raising the debt ceiling after she already voted for one of the 'compromise' short term budget extensions. Mind you, she voted for the Ryan plan which would require raising the debt ceiling for 20 years, so she is posturing, not coming from principle, but her supporters, absolutely should be with the guy who means it. Ron never ever voted to raise the debt ceiling.
PastaRocket848
07-20-2011, 10:00 AM
I wonder if she pays licensing fees to Dr. Paul for her platform.
sailingaway
07-20-2011, 10:00 AM
I got the strange feeling when I saw the layout of that article that whoever wrote it was trying to convey a message of a Bachmann/Paul ticket...
No they are trying to paint her with his fiscal credentials, and she hasn't earned them. She did attend his meetings to vote against TARP and did vote against that. She isn't McCain, fiscally, but she'd have gone with the cut cap and balance plan just as she did with the Ryan plan, if she hadn't been running for President, I am certain of it. They are basically the same thing.
I wonder if she pays licensing fees to Dr. Paul for her platform.
This.
Sola_Fide
07-20-2011, 10:13 AM
Yeah makes more sense...
Tarzan
07-20-2011, 10:21 AM
I think her vote was simple a political choice... not based on principals (she is still running for president, right?)
Sounds like she saw the 'Conviction' spot and somebody held her feet to the fire... wonder who that somebody might be??? :)
Napoleon's Shadow
07-20-2011, 10:35 AM
I have no problem saying she did the right thing here.
There is an old saying in political activism... "if you don't have anything bad to say about a politician, then don't say anything at all" :cool:
LibertyEagle
07-20-2011, 10:38 AM
I wonder if she pays licensing fees to Dr. Paul for her platform.
Oh now, that was good. heh
mczerone
07-20-2011, 11:20 AM
FTA:
Bachmann did call the bill "a step in the right direction."
Here's where she loses credibility with me. This bill was, as RP said, a continuation of the status quo. It is a step in the same direction as TARP and all the bailouts and QEx's, it's just authorizing smaller steps.
A "step in the right direction" would be to say:
"We (the govt) have run out of money. The American people can't be taxed anymore, and so we need to cut troop deployment by x%, to cut spending on the drug war by y%, to cut spending by the TSA by z%, to cut all subsidies to all industries by w%, and to generally and sincerely reassess which federal programs are really worth their costs and are authorized by the Constitution.
These cuts must be surgical and decided carefully with leaders in the industries, but its time for D.C. to realize that it has become the wealthiest region in the nation not through genuine productive capacity, but because it always pays itself first and steals from the rest of America whenever D.C. needs new toys. Until the median of America has an economy which compares to and exceeds that of the 100 sq. miles surrounding D.C., the federal govt. cannot again expand its spending.
That would be a starting step in the right direction.
sailingaway
07-20-2011, 11:26 AM
FTA:
Here's where she loses credibility with me. This bill was, as RP said, a continuation of the status quo. It is a step in the same direction as TARP and all the bailouts and QEx's, it's just authorizing smaller steps.
A "step in the right direction" would be to say:
That would be a starting step in the right direction.
Did you see Ron's statement on it? It was epic.
Which is why this morning it was linked at Drudge, left column. Might still be there.
wgadget
07-20-2011, 04:35 PM
there is an old saying in political activism... "if you don't have anything bad to say about a politician, then don't say anything at all" :cool:
lol
Paul Or Nothing II
07-21-2011, 02:19 AM
I wonder if she pays licensing fees to Dr. Paul for her platform.
The worst thing is that she's using Ron's platform better then he ever has, something Ron could learn from. Of course, she's saying/doing what she is with her political interest in mind rather than doing so for the sake of principles but she's touching people & connecting with them & turning up solid numbers & unfortunately, that's what Ron has been unable to do, he hasn't been able to sell himself the way he should to connect with the regular people. Hopefully, we'll be seeing more improvement from him on this front.
mport1
07-21-2011, 03:26 AM
I think her vote was simple a political choice... not based on principals (she is still running for president, right?)
Bingo. She is definitely not a principled libertarian.
MarcNY
07-21-2011, 04:08 AM
Lets hope that the supporters this time around register republican.
libertyisntdead
07-21-2011, 02:08 PM
"Paul also opposes provisions in the bill that permit exceptions to spending caps to fight the war on terror. "Since this war is undeclared, has no definite enemies, no clear objectives, and no metric to determine victory, it is by definition endless. Congress will never balance the budget until we reject the concept of endless wars."
He really is the only candidate to call bullshit on Washington.
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