View Full Version : New National GOP PPP Poll, RP at 9% (leads with Independents)
TheState
07-19-2011, 08:22 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_0719.pdf
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rockandrollsouls
07-19-2011, 09:05 AM
A bit odd Cain is still so high and Perry is where he's at...still, though, we are in striking distance of everyone.
Canderson
07-19-2011, 09:07 AM
sad that we dont pick up at all when palins out
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 09:10 AM
Thanks, I couldn't find the independent info. It says Bachmann does well with them too, but I'm betting THAT statistic craters when she is vetted.
Well, dang, Perry is higher than Ron, but the media has been pretending he is someone special, and most don't know him, really. They are 'told' he is teaparty, which is nonsense, given he is a globalist. It is frustrating how people THINK they know Ron so don't reexamine him, and every loser that is unknown and gets into the race, like Perry, gets this bump.
And look at the other numbers, they still are testing Pawlenty favorability yet not Ron's. They are mad at Ron or us, or whatever, and I note they are just under where they said they would poll Ron head to head against Obama. One percentage point is easy enough to manipulate within the context of 'generally acceptable' options in ways to poll. And given Ron polls MUCH better against Obama than Perry, and given PPP is a Dem polling company, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they used the leeway available within the accepted polling models. Even just tweaking male to female ratio could do that.
Whatever, polls are only worth so much. Ron is a contender, if not a frontrunner, in this poll.
Havax
07-19-2011, 09:15 AM
If Palin endorsed Ron it would be a pivotal moment. She endorsed Rand!
eleganz
07-19-2011, 09:16 AM
sad that we dont pick up at all when palins out
Not really strange at all to me, Palin is riding the dumb vote, hard.
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 09:17 AM
If Palin endorsed Ron it would be a pivotal moment. She endorsed Rand!
Against Grayson, when Rand had been double digits ahead for months. There are a lot of 'teaparty' candidates, even Perry is pretending to be one, and she endorsed PERRY, didn't she? Why she'd endorse a globalist, I do not know, unless just 'against' Hutchison. However, while it would certainly be nice, I'm not holding my breath for that unless Ron clearly takes the lead.
PastaRocket848
07-19-2011, 09:17 AM
yeah.... palin picks the low-hanging fruit with her "team amurrikah" BS. every time i see a palin sticker on a car i just can't help but wonder if the person could name 3 sitting house members.
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 09:20 AM
yeah.... palin picks the low-hanging fruit with her "team amurrikah" BS. every time i see a palin sticker on a car i just can't help but wonder if the person could name 3 sitting house members.
I don't know. Maybe she thought Medina couldn't win at that point and was making a statement against TARP. No reason to insult people.
CUnknown
07-19-2011, 10:22 AM
This is a great poll for us, imo, because you can't call someone who leads with independents unelectable. Those days are over.
georgiaboy
07-19-2011, 10:26 AM
solid results. We're miles ahead of where we were in 2007.
These kinds of numbers will cause the casual observer to want to take a closer look.
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 10:33 AM
What was Ron's percentage in the last PPP national poll, does anyone remember?
tsai3904
07-19-2011, 10:34 AM
What was Ron's percentage in the last PPP national poll, does anyone remember?
National (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/06/romney-leads-as-gop-prioritizes.html)
6/9 - 6/12
544 usual Republican primary voters
+/-4.2%
With Palin:
Romney 22%
Cain 17%
Palin 15%
Gingrich 9%
Pawlenty 9%
Bachmann 8%
Paul 7%
Huntsman 1%
Without Palin:
Romney 27%
Cain 20%
Bachmann 13%
Gingrich 12%
Pawlenty 10%
Paul 6%
Huntsman 3%
freshjiva
07-19-2011, 10:36 AM
yeah.... palin picks the low-hanging fruit with her "team amurrikah" BS. every time i see a palin sticker on a car i just can't help but wonder if the person could name 3 sitting house members.
Who cares about 3 sitting House members. I'd wonder if they've read any of Jefferson's or Madison's writings on foreign policy, sound money, and civil liberties.
The default answer is no, because if they have, they'd be supporting only one candidate in this race.
Who cares about 3 sitting House members. I'd wonder if they've read any of Jefferson's or Madison's writings on foreign policy, sound money, and civil liberties.
The default answer is no, because if they have, they'd be supporting only one candidate in this race.
I just wonder if they can read anything at all.
hillbilly123069
07-19-2011, 11:14 AM
I hope all keep in mind the degree of deception the ruling factors went to falsify these results last election. Bachmann now a confirmed pill popper, she's out of the race in short order.
hillbilly123069
07-19-2011, 11:15 AM
I think its just totally amazing how Ron Paul went from 50-80 approval to 7% overnight. Fool you twice, shame on you.
Remember these???
http://rp12.us/what
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 11:16 AM
National (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/06/romney-leads-as-gop-prioritizes.html)
6/9 - 6/12
544 usual Republican primary voters
+/-4.2%
With Palin:
Romney 22%
Cain 17%
Palin 15%
Gingrich 9%
Pawlenty 9%
Bachmann 8%
Paul 7%
Huntsman 1%
Without Palin:
Romney 27%
Cain 20%
Bachmann 13%
Gingrich 12%
Pawlenty 10%
Paul 6%
Huntsman 3%
Well, at least we're on the way up as the flavors of the week are found to taste not so great.
Feeding the Abscess
07-19-2011, 11:51 AM
Yet more evidence that there is no overlap between Palin and Paul voters.
afwjam
07-19-2011, 11:55 AM
Mark my words, Ron Paul will only go up in every single poll from now on.
jmdrake
07-19-2011, 12:05 PM
sad that we dont pick up at all when palins out
Bachmann picks most of the Palin voters. I'm surprised Cain didn't pick more up. But what this tells you is something I've known all along. The folks who are for Ron are for Ron and the folks who aren't...well aren't. That's why all of the "Let's not antagonize supporters of so and so" nonsense is just that, nonsense. We didn't pick up voters from candidates who dropped out last go round and we won't this time either. We have to show up our own base, get our own folks out to the polls, and fight like hell for the undecideds. That means making sure that the undecideds know that all of the other candidates suck eggs and why. It also means making sure people understand why our current foreign policy is destroying us just as surely as our runaway domestic spending. It also means bring more independents and disgruntled dems into the fold. We don't have a conventional candidate. We need to quit thinking like we do.
RP Supporter
07-19-2011, 12:45 PM
Comparing the last poll and this one, Cain's on his way out. His fundraising was awful, and he's no longer the flavor of the month. I expect him to continue to decline until he's around 5% or so.
These numbers are pretty good for Ron. It seems like everyone is now admitting that a Paul win in Ames is at least possible. IMHO it will be us or Bachmann. Pawlenty is talked about, but he's been a non starter so far and I can't see that changing. Perry would be tough, but him entering the race so late and without the infrastructure other candidates have built up means I think the time for him has really past.
Also, compare the ARG polls. They almost always have Paul around 2-4%. This might seem bad, but the one poll they had him in double digits in was Iowa. Since I think we can all agree that Ron's doing better then a measly 4 percent, the fact that they show him so high in Iowa while so low elsewhere may indicate that his support is even higher in Iowa then they have shown. Add in that it's a caucus, which are notoriously hard to poll and depend on dedicated supporters showing up, and I think we're in a good spot right now.
IndianaPolitico
07-19-2011, 12:45 PM
We are gaining on them! I think we would of given ANYTHING to see his numbers like this 4 years ago. And with the new ad campaign starting in 3 states, and Ames on the way, it looks even better!
trey4sports
07-19-2011, 12:52 PM
were moving in the right direction, and its nice to see we're not peaking too early but my concern is that when its time to kick shit into overdrive and peak like a mofo' that we actually do it.
Feeding the Abscess
07-19-2011, 01:08 PM
Bachmann picks most of the Palin voters. I'm surprised Cain didn't pick more up. But what this tells you is something I've known all along. The folks who are for Ron are for Ron and the folks who aren't...well aren't. That's why all of the "Let's not antagonize supporters of so and so" nonsense is just that, nonsense. We didn't pick up voters from candidates who dropped out last go round and we won't this time either. We have to show up our own base, get our own folks out to the polls, and fight like hell for the undecideds. That means making sure that the undecideds know that all of the other candidates suck eggs and why. It also means making sure people understand why our current foreign policy is destroying us just as surely as our runaway domestic spending. It also means bring more independents and disgruntled dems into the fold. We don't have a conventional candidate. We need to quit thinking like we do.
I agree. Sucking to the losers opposing Paul in the Republican race could also have the impact of turning off independent and liberal supporters.
PastaRocket848
07-19-2011, 01:12 PM
i fully believe that anyone who would call themself a "supporter" of any other candidate is highly unlikely to come over to our side. people who actively support mainstream establishment republicans are not our target audience.
speciallyblend
07-19-2011, 01:42 PM
If Palin endorsed Ron it would be a pivotal moment. She endorsed Rand!
if that happens, i will be a palin fan hehe:) i would even throw in free snowboard lessons to the palin family!!
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