View Full Version : Which Grassroots PACs to donate to?
harikaried
07-19-2011, 12:18 AM
I'm in the process of creating postcards to send out to Ron Paul 2012 PCC donors that have maxed out the $2500 to ask if they have any more money to spare towards grassroots efforts.
Which PACs would be good for them to donate towards? I'm assuming most of them probably don't want to spend the time/effort to track down every grassroots project and determine which ones are good or not.
Doing a quick search around here, I've seen mentions of..
- Make Schiff Happen PAC
- Violet Victory PAC
- Freedom & Prosperity PAC
- RAND PAC
Does anyone know what they've done so far? What are they doing towards the Iowa Straw Poll?
Other PACs would probably be Campaign for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty.
Eric21ND
07-19-2011, 12:25 AM
Donate to the robo polling for Iowa. They are identifying RP supporters and giving their findings over to the campaign to follow up on and churn out the vote for the Ames straw poll. Nothing is more important at this juncture.
Esoteric
07-19-2011, 12:31 AM
rp2012.org.. i believe it's being run in conjunction with John Dennis' pac (freedom & prosperity). Also, I don't think money sent to schiff's pac will do anything at all to help this election cycle. I'd take him right off that list.
btw, what does violet victory mean?
AlexAmore
07-19-2011, 12:36 AM
I just want to further emphasize taking Schiff off. He's not a bad guy as far as I know, however. I don't know what violet victory is but I think purple is the color for homosexuals. So if thats not what it is, I would encourage a name change lol. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
harikaried
07-19-2011, 10:28 AM
So what have Freedom & Prosperity PAC and RAND PAC done towards this election so far?
I think I'll just refer to YAL getting students ready in Iowa for the Ames Straw Poll as well as C4L getting LPAC 2011 ready.
tsai3904
07-19-2011, 10:31 AM
So what have Freedom & Prosperity PAC and RAND PAC done towards this election so far?
RAND PAC was formed in March and probably doesn't have many funds. It will file its quarterly report on 7/31.
Ron Paul has a PAC:
http://www.libertypac.com/
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 10:34 AM
http://www.alcpac.com is RPFs member AdamT's (producer of HighTide, For Liberty, the Twin Cities Billboard project, and winner of the CNN Debate grassroots commercial contest). I believe will be used for grassroots commercials like they did last cycle. His PAC has also donated to every candidate I have ever helped...
erowe1
07-19-2011, 10:43 AM
Ron Paul has a PAC:
http://www.libertypac.com/
Yep. I'd recommend keeping it simple, and just mentioning this one.
Whatever PACs you recommend, you want to do your due diligence and make sure they're not just good causes, but also run by trustworthy people who know what they're doing.
harikaried
07-19-2011, 10:50 AM
Ron Paul has a PAC: http://www.libertypac.com/
Oh right. I haven't gotten an email from them since April 22. The last post on their website is April 19.
Is it still worth it to donate to that PAC? I want to point people to ones that have done stuff and have more planned.
So far that seems to be just C4L and YAL?
erowe1
07-19-2011, 10:51 AM
So far that seems to be just C4L and YAL?
Those aren't PACs. Do you want to broaden it out to educational non-profits, and not just PACs?
harikaried
07-19-2011, 10:54 AM
Although Liberty PAC is the only committee according to the FEC that has the same Treasurer as "RON PAUL 2012 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE INC." and "COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT RON PAUL":
PYEATT, LORI
harikaried
07-19-2011, 10:58 AM
Those aren't PACs. Do you want to broaden it out to educational non-profits, and not just PACs?
Oh I see that they're 501(c)(4)s. So there's no FEC limits to how much can be donated? Although the non-profit cannot donate towards a candidate?
Even if it was a PAC, a maxed PCC donor's money couldn't be used by the PAC towards the PCC? Although, wouldn't the PAC just use someone else's donation towards the PCC?
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 11:01 AM
Oh right. I haven't gotten an email from them since April 22. The last post on their website is April 19.
Is it still worth it to donate to that PAC? I want to point people to ones that have done stuff and have more planned.
So far that seems to be just C4L and YAL?
Wondering if you just missed the post about www.alcpac.com,... I do see that he should update the website... He certainly has one of the better trackrecords for getting stuff done
www.libertyPAC.com certainly has a good track record as well. I'm not sure how much they can/will spend in the presidential race, but know they donate to liberty candidates.
VioletVictoryPAC is new and being run by a couple members here; Rick Williams and Christopher David. They are working on a larger project with Year of Youth/etc.. I hope the PAC takes off... I think we need lots of PACs...
YAL and C4L cannot spend money on the campaigns but may do things like the surveys/etc...
erowe1
07-19-2011, 11:06 AM
Oh I see that they're 501(c)(4)s. So there's no FEC limits to how much can be donated? Although the non-profit cannot donate towards a candidate?
Even if it was a PAC, a maxed PCC donor's money couldn't be used by the PAC towards the PCC? Although, wouldn't the PAC just use someone donation towards the PCC?
You're correct on your first 2 questions. I'm not sure what the right answer is to your next 2. Also note that, after Citizens United, a for-profit corporation can spend any amount on political speech endorsing candidates. I'm not sure if there exist any such corporations for what you're interested in, but the door's open for them at least. Then there are 527 organizations, like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, that can run ads against candidates, but not for them (I think), that people could make unlimited donations to (I think).
And I didn't mean there was anything wrong with encouraging donations to educational groups. I think that's great. And if that were what you wanted to recommend to people, I could think of some other good ones.
Cowlesy
07-19-2011, 11:09 AM
http://www.alcpac.com is RPFs member AdamT's (producer of HighTide, For Liberty, the Twin Cities Billboard project, and winner of the CNN Debate grassroots commercial contest). I believe will be used for grassroots commercials like they did last cycle. His PAC has also donated to every candidate I have ever helped...
+1 AdamT's PAC is one of the few PACs where I've felt you really get a bang for your buck. On several occasions, like ronpaulhawaii mentioned, I have seen nice size donations to candidates' committees. That is highly indicative that they do not burn excess funds for unnecessary or frivolous operating expenses. Good guys, good use of capital.
And if you don't want to go that direction, I always first recommend to the campaign.
harikaried
07-19-2011, 11:14 AM
http://www.alcpac.com is RPFs member AdamT's (producer of HighTide, For Liberty, the Twin Cities Billboard project, and winner of the CNN Debate grassroots commercial contest)Sounds good, but it hasn't been active for a while. I'll probably send out more postcards in later months as well, and if the American Liberty Coalition PAC is active then, I can point it out.
Danke
07-19-2011, 11:26 AM
Here is a good group of folks: http://www.mnlg.org/
enoch150
07-19-2011, 11:41 AM
I don't think money sent to schiff's pac will do anything at all to help this election cycle. I'd take him right off that list.
The treasurer for Schiff's Pac (admittedly a Gary Johnson guy) told me it is planning on being active for this election cycle. The biggest obstacle will be establishing potential electability. But Schiff was known as a big Ron Paul supporter back in 2007/2008, to the point of repeatedly hyping Paul on tv and sending emails to his client base encouraging them to donate to Paul, so I think Schiff will look for any excuse to justify Paul's electability so his Pac can contribute.
If you've never read Peter Schiff's endorsement of Ron Paul, asking his clients to send Ron Paul money, here it is. He put his business on the line doing something like this. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?33212-Endorsement-from-Peter-Schiff-Pres-Euro-Pacific-Capital
And a compilation video of Schiff going on tv back in 07/08 promoting Ron Paul over and over again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqnrD5NjJ-Q
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 11:42 AM
Sounds good, but it hasn't been active for a while. I'll probably send out more postcards in later months as well, and if the American Liberty Coalition PAC is active then, I can point it out.
Yeah, I hear you that he needs to update his website, but he is quite active.
Just got finished with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR4WYqabTxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR4WYqabTxU
and you can read the main thread for that project here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?285512-Re-cutting-quot-FOR-LIBERTY-quot-to-be-used-as-a-RP-R3V-2012-campaign-tool-View-within
and just launched a great looking site for it here:
http://www.ronpaulfilm.com/
They are now working on this project:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?300696-Grassroots-TV-ads-for-Iowa-It-s-on
which I imagine he will be funding through his PAC
I'll send him a link to this thread...
sailingaway
07-19-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm in the process of creating postcards to send out to Ron Paul 2012 PCC donors that have maxed out the $2500 to ask if they have any more money to spare towards grassroots efforts.
Which PACs would be good for them to donate towards? I'm assuming most of them probably don't want to spend the time/effort to track down every grassroots project and determine which ones are good or not.
Doing a quick search around here, I've seen mentions of..
- Make Schiff Happen PAC
- Violet Victory PAC
- Freedom & Prosperity PAC
- RAND PAC
Does anyone know what they've done so far? What are they doing towards the Iowa Straw Poll?
Other PACs would probably be Campaign for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty.
LibertyFilms or whatever, AdamT's PAC they do high quality stuff (like For Liberty and High Tide and the billboards in Minneapolis during the RNC last time) and they are putting together ads
oops, I see they've already been mentioned. Well, I agree. Some of the others suggested are generic 'liberty' pacs not specifically to help Ron's campaign, it sounds like:
+1 AdamT's PAC is one of the few PACs where I've felt you really get a bang for your buck. On several occasions, like ronpaulhawaii mentioned, I have seen nice size donations to candidates' committees. That is highly indicative that they do not burn excess funds for unnecessary or frivolous operating expenses. Good guys, good use of capital.
And if you don't want to go that direction, I always first recommend to the campaign.
AdamT
07-19-2011, 12:16 PM
My PAC is still active, I actually need to update the homepage...been busy. Been sitting and waiting for projects to come along. Then it will jump back to life. Actually working on a billboard here in WI here a local guy donated the sign space. So yeah, it's still active.....and waiting :)
RonPaul101.com
07-19-2011, 12:30 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question but, is "Liberty PAC" and "Campaign for Liberty" the same organization, or run by the same guys?
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 12:35 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question but, is "Liberty PAC" and "Campaign for Liberty" the same organization, or run by the same guys?
No, these are different types of organizations all together and are headed up by different people, until you get to Ron Paul himself (although he doesn't "run" them...)
harikaried
07-19-2011, 12:46 PM
My PAC is still activeSounds good. Is any funding being put towards RonPaulFilms and For Liberty (re-cut)?
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 12:47 PM
My PAC is still active, I actually need to update the homepage...been busy. Been sitting and waiting for projects to come along. Then it will jump back to life. Actually working on a billboard here in WI here a local guy donated the sign space. So yeah, it's still active.....and waiting :)
Chris, is that a WordPress site? I bet twitter and rss feeds, from your various active projects/threads, would be enough to show the avg Joe that ALCPAC is alive and well.
And maybe a "2012 Welcome" message on the homepage rather than the CPAC 2010 project... Maybe start a new thread to get some help updating?
Methinks we need lots more PACs...
RonPaul101.com
07-19-2011, 12:51 PM
No, these are different types of organizations all together and are headed up by different people, until you get to Ron Paul himself (although he doesn't "run" them...)
Okay, thanks. I have in the past donated to Liberty PAC, and I am going to the Campaign for Liberty event in Reno, NV this September which raises money for them, so I wanted to know if these organizations actually support Ron Paul's campaign as they seemingly do...? Or did I just waste money on one or both of these?
ronpaulhawaii
07-19-2011, 12:59 PM
Okay, thanks. I have in the past donated to Liberty PAC, and I am going to the Campaign for Liberty event in Reno, NV this September which raises money for them, so I wanted to know if these organizations actually support Ron Paul's campaign as they seemingly do...? Or did I just waste money on one or both of these?
Certainly not a waste of money. LibertyPAC funded RP's pre-announce activities and helps in other ways. C4L helps as well, on more the education/lobbying side, which helps Ron's credibilty. So yes, they support Ron, just not the PCC directly, (although LibertyPAC may be able to donate the standard $5k, I'm no lawyer...)
harikaried
07-19-2011, 01:09 PM
LibertyPAC helped out Ron Paul for CPAC, but that was in February before he announced the exploratory committee. They've given the full $5000 to re-elect Ron Paul for congressional runs in the past.
Just checking, donating towards Ron Paul for congress won't be any help as the money would need to be refunded when transferred to the PCC?
Edit: I guess you can't donate to it anymore anyway: http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/html/onlineform.html
AdamT
07-19-2011, 01:55 PM
Chris, is that a WordPress site? I bet twitter and rss feeds, from your various active projects/threads, would be enough to show the avg Joe that ALCPAC is alive and well.
And maybe a "2012 Welcome" message on the homepage rather than the CPAC 2010 project... Maybe start a new thread to get some help updating?
Methinks we need lots more PACs...
Yes Wordpress. I will get it updated soon, the CPAC brochures will move to the Archive page. I've only used the PAC when there has been actual projects going on, and some leftover funds I donated to some candidates.
Handling a lot of small donations is a lot of book keeping work for the FEC reports, so I try to only take on projects I want to do.
Revolution Super PAC:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?304146-Ron-Paul-Supporters-Form-Super-PAC
scrosnoe
07-20-2011, 09:37 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?304146-Ron-Paul-Supporters-Form-Super-PAC
sorry Bern just saw your post LOL
but we may need a PAC for each state operation if that is possible for more local projects -- or can that be done as sub projects of a superpac?
harikaried
07-20-2011, 09:48 AM
How does AdamT's ALCPAC relate to ronpaulfilm.com as opposed to the revolution superpac whose board includes..
* Chris Rye, director/producer, For Liberty, a Ron Paul grassroots feature documentary
* Corey Kealiher, director/producer, For Liberty, a Ron Paul grassroots feature documentary
Christopher David
07-20-2011, 10:51 AM
VioletVictoryPAC is new and being run by a couple members here; Rick Williams and Christopher David. They are working on a larger project with Year of Youth/etc.. I hope the PAC takes off... I think we need lots of PACs...
Hey folks, and thanks Michael.
We've got a lot of plans for Violet Victory PAC, many of which deal with other 2012 liberty candidates.
We do have a plan to support Ron Paul all set up and ready to go - just add money. Read details here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?300188-New-grassroots-PAC-launches-Operation-Iowa-Air-Support-Help-Needed
If anyone's got any suggestions for other ways to spend PAC money, we're all ears. And if anyone wants more information about our plans before supporting our efforts, feel free to shoot me a PM.
AdamT
07-20-2011, 11:02 AM
How does AdamT's ALCPAC relate to ronpaulfilm.com as opposed to the revolution superpac whose board includes..
* Chris Rye, director/producer, For Liberty, a Ron Paul grassroots feature documentary
* Corey Kealiher, director/producer, For Liberty, a Ron Paul grassroots feature documentary
3 separate entities.
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