GOP Leader McConnell proposes giving Obama new power for automatic debt limit increase

[sailingaway]

Bluegrass Bulletin ***BREAKING NEWS*** GOP Leader McConnell proposes giving Obama new power for automatic debt limit increase

http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com/2011/07/breaking-news-gop-leader-mcconnell-proposes-giving-obama-new-power-for-automatic-debt-limit-increase.html

[TCE]

What an effing idiot. Period. Why would anyone want to give up any leverage they may have? He has sunk to a new level or idiocy.

[Agorism]

nice catch.
Front page?

[Cowlesy]

Annnnnnnnd the knife sinks deep in all our backs.

Boehner is on board.

Cantor is on board.

And we continue whistling past the graveyard.

[BamaAla]

Why can't Mitch just stick to important conservative causes like attacking gun rights? This guy has to go!

[specsaregood]

What an effing idiot. Period. Why would anyone want to give up any leverage they may have?
Because the ultimate aphrodisiac to a politician is pushing responsibility and potential blame onto somebody else. Plus, they want the next republican president to have the power as well.

[Cowlesy]

Because the ultimate aphrodisiac to a politician is pushing responsibility and potential blame onto somebody else. Plus, they want the next republican president to have the power as well.

That is the plan. McConnell thinks he's doing us a favor, "Look guys, we can say *he* raised the debt ceiling!" Meanwhile, he's giving the President a ridiculous amount of new power it appears.

What a punt. They should take Obama to the mats on this. Obama gets his wars, gets his Healthcare plans, and when (R)'s ask for $2T of spending cuts over the next 10 YEARS....we cave.

Spineless jellyfish.

[Anti Federalist]

Annnnnnnnd the knife sinks deep in all our backs.

Boehner is on board.

Cantor is on board.

And we continue whistling past the graveyard.

Fucking right, two timing, back stabbing, treacherous, traitorous, piece of shit, muthafuckers!!!!

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[Pro-Life Libertarian]

I think you guys are missing the brilliance in this plan.

[Sola_Fide]

I think you guys are missing the brilliance in this plan.

Help me see the brilliance here...

[Pro-Life Libertarian]

Help me see the brilliance here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-to-obama-you-want-debt-ceiling-raised-then-raise-it-yourself/2011/03/03/gIQAwkp5AI_blog.html

Obama will have to raise it at his own peril. The Republicans will have no political risk whatsoever. The debt is extremely unpopular.

[brushfire]

Right up there with backing Rand. Mitch is clearly out of touch with his constituency. I agree with the notion that his a$$ needs to be canned.

[JoshLowry]

Two days prior to McConnell making an ass out of himself, Kentucky.com runs a piece that tied Rand and McConnell as new best friends.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/10/1806667/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-forge.html

Their timing is impeccable.

[CaseyJones]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-to-obama-you-want-debt-ceiling-raised-then-raise-it-yourself/2011/03/03/gIQAwkp5AI_blog.html

Obama will have to raise it at his own peril. The Republicans will have no political risk whatsoever. The debt is extremely unpopular.

I am against any increase of power to the executive

[Cowlesy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-to-obama-you-want-debt-ceiling-raised-then-raise-it-yourself/2011/03/03/gIQAwkp5AI_blog.html

Obama will have to raise it at his own peril. The Republicans will have no political risk whatsoever. The debt is extremely unpopular.

We just gave the President unilateral power to increase the nation's debt. It's a complete abrogation of the legislative's check on the executive effectively given that there is no way no how you'd ever get 2/3's of the Senate to ever block him.

Don't be played for a fool.

[Sola_Fide]

We just gave the President unilateral power to increase the nation's debt. It's a complete abrogation of the legislative's check on the executive effectively given that there is no way no how you'd ever get 2/3's of the Senate to ever block him.

Don't be played for a fool.

+1

This is just more back-door tyranny.

[Johnnybags]

Lets face it, they are one in the same, every special interest wants a devalued dollar to keep the status quo. Between this and the FED teeing up Qe3 today one can see it will be raised soon and the FED will be qe3'ing until they qe4.. Nothing gets solved until the crisis of dollar dropping hits biblical proportions. How to pay bills you cannot pay and will not tax is the inflation tax whereby they can blame speculators or droughts or oil supply disruption. They are all criminals.

[Humanae Libertas]

RINOs gonna RINO, anything new I missed? :)

[brushfire]

Two days prior to McConnell making an ass out of himself, Kentucky.com runs a piece that tied Rand and McConnell as new best friends.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/10/1806667/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-forge.html

Their timing is impeccable.

Its enough to pi$$ you off, isn't it...?

[josh b]

We were getting too cozy with the Republicans again anyways. Incentives are pretty much the same for all politicians when they have the means and the right to loot from the populace. It's a near miracle that people like Ron Paul manage to get anywhere in the political arena. The Republicans are just taking advantage of people's temporary anti government streak.

[Brad Zink]

It's time to run someone against McConnell:

Thomas Massie:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/16132_224274670760_216223395760_4537961_1030998_n. jpg

Marcus Carey:
http://cmsimg.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=AB&Date=20110102&Category=NEWS0103&ArtNo=101030311&Ref=V4&MaxW=300&Border=0

Any other suggestions?

[sailingaway]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-to-obama-you-want-debt-ceiling-raised-then-raise-it-yourself/2011/03/03/gIQAwkp5AI_blog.html

Obama will have to raise it at his own peril. The Republicans will have no political risk whatsoever. The debt is extremely unpopular.

giving more power to an imperial presidency is less popular.

[specsaregood]

I think you guys are missing the brilliance in this plan.

You are correct, it is billiant in terms of political schemes...well brilliant is a stretch as it is rather obvious.

But it is absolutely disgusting in terms of reigning in government.

[sailingaway]

Two days prior to McConnell making an ass out of himself, Kentucky.com runs a piece that tied Rand and McConnell as new best friends.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/10/1806667/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-forge.html

Their timing is impeccable.

Personally, I got the impression from that article that Rand wouldn't be caught dead getting a beer with McConnel in true 'off time'. Maybe that wasn't what it was meant to convey....

[sailingaway]

It's time to run someone against McConnell:

Thomas Massie:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/16132_224274670760_216223395760_4537961_1030998_n. jpg

Marcus Carey:
http://cmsimg.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=AB&Date=20110102&Category=NEWS0103&ArtNo=101030311&Ref=V4&MaxW=300&Border=0

Any other suggestions?

I wonder if Carey would do it? And I'd want a little more info on him, but I think he's a steady guy.

Massie might be too young. I defer to those in Kentucky, however.

[JoshLowry]

got the impression from that article that Rand wouldn't be caught dead getting a beer with McConnel in true 'off time'I know it's a propaganda for the left site, but the commenters didn't seem to get that impression.

[Sola_Fide]

Phil Moffett for Senate?

http://kentuckyelection.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Moffett.jpg

[sailingaway]

I know it's a propaganda for the left site, but the commenters didn't seem to get that impression.



In the meantime, McConnell and Paul's relationship remains a work in progress.

"We have a friendship," Paul said. "I'm not saying we go out and get beers or anything. But we're friends."

If they don't want to read, that's one thing, but if they can't, that's sad. This was the least he could say.


Phil Moffett for Senate?

http://kentuckyelection.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Moffett.jpg

Your senator, but I wasn't excited by that guy, personally.

[JoshLowry]

True, reading would help. I don't see the Lexington-Herald Leader (Kentucky.com) ever spinning anything positive for Rand.

Moffet isn't exactly a torchbearer for liberty.

[Sola_Fide]

If they don't want to read, that's one thing, but if they can't, that's sad. This was the least he could say.



Your senator, but I wasn't excited by that guy, personally.

What if Phil ran a tight campaign this time?

[sailingaway]

What if Phil ran a tight campaign this time?

It was HIM that wasn't exciting, not his campaign. To me, anyhow. Not having Adams would have to be a plus, though.

[JoshLowry]

I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for Moffett over Williams if I lived there. I might (not sure, because I don't know Moffett's integrity level, and without a record, that would be my big touchstone.) I just don't see anything to excite people in other states above all the other races in all the other states. When people donate out of state, it tends to be for someone you really want to succeed, not just someone who out of two candidates would have better local effect. The bit about his role in Ron's race as governor was the first thing I've seen to stir my interest.

There it is.

[angelatc]

Back to the subject - I hear that McCOnnell's phone's are swamped.

[sailingaway]

Back to the subject - I hear that McCOnnell's phone's are swamped.

good.

[Napoleon's Shadow]

We just gave the President unilateral power to increase the nation's debt. It's a complete abrogation of the legislative's check on the executive effectively given that there is no way no how you'd ever get 2/3's of the Senate to ever block him.

Don't be played for a fool.
PLL is actually correct. Through the political lens this is indeed brilliant because it puts Obama on the spot.

However we of course know it that's why Congress never votes on war anymore, and lets the President make all of the hard choices. They don't want to fear reelection.


Constitutionally and philosophically it is of course out of bounds

[Johnnybags]

LOL, Flicking thru the tube and Lawrence Odonnell, the communist is thrilled with Mitch and is laughing his balls off at his fake Bravado, we have been duped again. Clearly all Boehner and Mitch think about is reelection.

[headhawg7]

Lets face it, they are one in the same, every special interest wants a devalued dollar to keep the status quo. Between this and the FED teeing up Qe3 today one can see it will be raised soon and the FED will be qe3'ing until they qe4.. Nothing gets solved until the crisis of dollar dropping hits biblical proportions. How to pay bills you cannot pay and will not tax is the inflation tax whereby they can blame speculators or droughts or oil supply disruption. They are all criminals.

This is a great post. I would rep you but I have to spread some around first.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The article says it all... protecting Republicans from having to vote on the Debt Ceiling. Frigin Coward Jellyfish! All they're worried about is their own jobs and party. The People come last. This has to wake up the most ignorant of Americans

http://www.ditchmitchky.com/

I have but one request before Mitch McConnell is voted out, could you on the Senate Floor say... "Because Pepperidge Farm Remembers!"

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04:52 pm
July 12, 2011
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Senate Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell and other GOP Senate leaders speak to journalists on Tuesday.


In a proposal that appears to be mostly about finding a way to raise the debt ceiling while protecting his fellow congressional Republicans from having to vote to do so, Sen. Mitch McConnell has suggested a way in which Congress could effectively give President Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling.
But it would also seem meant to potentially put Obama on the defensive by having him take the political heat for raising the debt ceiling. Repeated polls have found a majority of Americans opposed to a higher debt ceiling.
McConnell, the Senate's top Republican, is proposing a legislative maneuver that would give lawmakers the opportunity to reject a debt-ceiling increase.
Under McConnell's plan, a "resolution of disapproval" to boost the debt-limit by $2.5 trillion would be introduced in both chambers with a majority of lawmakers voting for the resolution. In other words, they would have the chance to vote against any increase.
Obama would then veto the resolution, a veto Congress would be unable to override with the required two-thirds majority in both the House and Senate. That would allow the U.S. to legally go beyond its $14.3 trillion debt ceiling and avoid a widely feared, first-ever general default by the U.S. government on its obligations.
A passage from a Politico article (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58801.html#ixzz1RvNNI53A) provides a sense of why senior Senate Republicans like the idea:
"It gives the president 100 percent of the responsibility for increasing the debt limit if he chooses not to have any spending reductions," Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the Republican Conference chairman, told reporters Tuesday.
How the plan will sit with House Republicans is unclear. But it offers an escape valve for those in the Senate GOP who fear that if the current crisis persists they will be forced to accept some tax revenue increases as part of any settlement.
Worth noting is that Congress generally guards its prerogatives jealously, stoutly resisting yielding this kind of power to a president.
The very fact that Senate Republicans are putting forward such a proposal could be read as a sign of their mounting anxiety about a possible default as the Aug. 2 deadline approaches.
It also suggests how much political gamesmanship is involved if Senate Republicans are now willing to hand over such power to Obama.
It appears to be a case of accepting a short-term loss if the long-term gain is to increase Obama's chances of being a one-term president. McConnell has said publicly that a one-term Obama is his goal.
It's not just about putting pressure on the president, of course, but on congressional Democrats.
McConnell's proposal would require several votes as the debt-ceiling would be increased in stages. That would mean congressional Democrats would have to go on record more than once with votes to increase the limit, if they decided to rally round their president. In short, it would a Republican political ad makers dream.

[Agorism]

Rand needs to filibuster. The "deal" just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

[Romulus]

Does anyone think Obama really cares about taking 'heat' for raising the ceiling? Seriously?

He will own that call all day long. So what.

Spineless hacks are just trying to squirm out of a tight spot to try and save face.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ler's just cut all the bullshit and crown Obama King! It will be a brilliant political move...