Should Ron Paul sign that stupid Family Ledger Pledge?

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I see that he is "considering" it?

Should he sign that shit?

If he does, I understand why (It's Iowa, I know I know).

[COpatriot]

I don't see the point. Most fundies will be sour towards him regardless. Not really sure what this would accomplish.

[LatinsforPaul]

Ron Paul has NEVER sacrificed his principles for votes. ;)

[TheeJoeGlass]

If he does, I'm out. How could he justify that?

[COpatriot]

Ron Paul has NEVER sacrificed his principles for votes. ;)

And then there's that too.

[specsaregood]

If he does, I'm out. How could he justify that?

Indeed, it seems he would be pledging to violate the constitution at the very least.

[TheeJoeGlass]

Indeed, it seems he would be pledging to violate the constitution at the very least.

I think it was a mistake for him to sign the anti-abortion pledge. Not because of the issue, but because these "pledges" are stupid.

[Thomas]

he should just sign it

[specsaregood]

I think it was a mistake for him to sign the anti-abortion pledge. Not because of the issue, but because these "pledges" are stupid.

Fair enough; but signing that one didn't require pledging to violate the 1st amendment and blatantly overstep the constraints of the executive office.

[dannno]

he should just sign it

No way, he would be called out by the media as a flip flopper and he wouldn't be able to explain his position on it at all.

[acptulsa]

You mean that prelude to neutering the 'net? What kind of fool or tool do you think the man is?

Ain't happening.

[TheViper]

I see that he is "considering" it?

Should he sign that shit?

If he does, I understand why (It's Iowa, I know I know).
You see this where? This is so against his Libertarian principles it's not even worth entertaining the notion he'd sign it.

[sailingaway]

Absolutely not.

He already said clearly he would not support a Constitutional amendment to ban states deciding to have gay marriage, he thinks that determinition belongs between a church and the individuals involved, but should be at the state level over the federal level. He also does not think the federal government has jurisdiction over internet porn.

They are now saying he is 'considering it' but that is nonsense. A reporter asked someone not affiliated with his campaign, from what I can tell, who deflected by saying it was still being considered. But Ron hasn't been shy about his feelings on this, he discussed it at both presidential debates this year, in fact. I'm sure the person who said he was 'considering it' meant well, but they are only giving out a squishy image of a guy who isn't squishy on the issues, at all. And now other media is taking it up. It is aggravating.

[acptulsa]

And now other media is taking it up. It is aggravating.

Just a ploy to get him to come out against it, which they hope will cost him evangelical votes. You know, the pharisee vote. But we can prevent this. We all know he won't, so we can let those who would be pissed if he did not to worry. And he can say and do nothing. Problem averted.

[specsaregood]

The actual "vow"



The Candidate Vow:
Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I
the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow* to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only
between one man and one woman. I vow* to do so through my:
 Personal fidelity to my spouse.8
 Respect for the marital bonds of others.9
 Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or
justices.10
 Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage – faithful monogamy between one man and one
woman – through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous,
polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.11
 Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives,
greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less
addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy. 12
 Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and
extended “second chance” or “cooling-off” periods for those seeking a “quickie divorce.” 13
 Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.14
 Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as
between one man and one woman in all of the United States. 15
 Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy – our next generation of American children –
from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution,
infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.16
 Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel,
especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or
intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of
military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement
or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles.17
 Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.18
 Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial
health and security. 19
 Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA‟s $14.3 trillion
public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget.20
 Fierce defense of the First Amendment‟s rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech21, especially against the
intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their
adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy.
The Vow of Civic, Religious, Lay, Business, and Social Leaders:
We the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow* that no U.S. Presidential primary candidate – nor any primary candidate for the U. S.
House, Senate, Governor, state or municipal office – will, in his or her public capacity, benefit from any substantial form of aid,
support, endorsement, contribution, independent expenditure, or affirmation from any of us without first affirming this Marriage
Vow. Furthermore, to uphold and advance the natural Institution of Marriage, we ourselves also hereby vow* our own fidelity to
this Declaration and especially, to our spouses.
So help us God.
* NOTE: Or, “solemnly attest”. Each signatory signs only in his or her individual capacity as an American citizen and current or potential leader;
affiliations herein are for identification purposes only and do not necessarily imply formal embrace of this vow or the sentiments herein by any
institution or organization.

http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.9.11-1.pdf

[COpatriot]

The actual "vow"



http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.9.11-1.pdf

WOOOW! Gotta love it when the ass-backward, moral crusading Jesus Police make a call to arms.

[Badger Paul]

So you don't mind if states and localities legalize heroin or prostitution but you do want the federal government to ban all pornography?

Is there something I'm missing here?

Hopefully someone will remind RP this pledge is bad news and I think signing it will backfire on Bachmann.

Get the government out of marriage. That's what we need to do. You know who said this? Ron Paul.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

The actual "vow"



http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.9.11-1.pdf

Geezus

[silentshout]

Why are these same people so freaked out over Islam and sharia, even to include it in a pledge that I am sure many a mullah would agree with. Islamic fundamentalists would pretty much love that pledge. Makes my head hurt.

I sincerely hope he won't sign this. It's pretty bad.

[Badger Paul]

"Why are these same people so freaked out over Islam and sharia, even to include it in a pledge that I am sure many a mullah would agree with. Islamic fundamentalists would pretty much love that pledge. Makes my head hurt."

Exactly.

[Ricky201]

I have a hard time believing that he would sign this thing...

[Brian4Liberty]

No.

[Feeding the Abscess]

If he signs, there will be a mass defection.