Robopoll Project Accounting

[rp08orbust]

If there is a better way to post tables from Excel, please let me know.

I've used peoples' RPF usernames in sales descriptions (because I think it's important for people to establish reputations here). If I couldn't figure yours out, then I used your initials from the PayPal transaction. If you requested anonymity for a particular transaction, I gave you a customer number.



Balances
PayPal: 995.12
Amazon: 95.00
CallFire: 9.07
Dynamic Interactive: -6.34
RP Phone Numbers: 0
NeoSpeech (Words): 251

Transaction Account Date Type Description Amount $ Other Quantity
1 CallFire 6/27/2011 Misc. Credit Opening 0.00 0
2 CallFire 6/27/2011 Misc. Credit New Account Demo Credit 0.70 0
3 CallFire 6/27/2011 Expense Calling charges -0.67 0
4 PayPal 6/27/2011 Misc. Credit Opening 0.00 0
5 CallFire 6/28/2011 Sale rp08orbust 10.00 -3
6 CallFire 6/28/2011 Expense Calling charges -0.26 0
7 CallFire 6/30/2011 Sale rp08orbust 100.00 -27
8 CallFire 6/30/2011 Misc. Credit Recharge bonus 10.00 0
9 CallFire 6/30/2011 Expense Calling charges -99.77 26
10 CallFire 7/1/2011 Transfer From PayPal (pay later) 100.00 0
11 PayPal 7/1/2011 Transfer To CallFire -100.00 0
12 CallFire 7/1/2011 Expense Calling charges -110.94 31
13 PayPal 7/2/2011 Sale tobefree 100.00 -27
14 PayPal 7/2/2011 Fee Transaction Fee (tobefree) -3.20 0
15 PayPal 7/3/2011 Sale XTreat 10.00 -3
16 PayPal 7/3/2011 Fee Transaction Fee (XTreat) -0.59 0
17 PayPal 7/4/2011 Sale J. V. 95.00 -31
18 PayPal 7/4/2011 Fee Transaction Fee (J. V.) -4.01 0
19 PayPal 7/4/2011 Sale L. B. 95.00 -36
20 PayPal 7/4/2011 Fee Transaction Fee (L. B.) -4.01 0
21 Dynamic Interactive 7/6/2011 Misc. Credit Opening 0.00 0
22 Dynamic Interactive 7/6/2011 Transfer From PayPal 150.00 0
23 PayPal 7/6/2011 Transfer To Dynamic Interactive -150.00 0
24 NeoSpeech 7/6/2011 Misc. Credit Opening 0.00 0
25 PayPal 7/6/2011 Expense NeoSpeech 520 Words -25.00 0
26 NeoSpeech 7/6/2011 Misc. Credit 520 Words 0.00 520
27 NeoSpeech 7/6/2011 Misc Debit Words 0.00 -98
28 Dynamic Interactive 7/6/2011 Expense Calling charges -34.20 18
29 PayPal 7/7/2011 Sale IDefendThePlatform 200.00 -95
30 PayPal 7/7/2011 Transfer To Dynamic Interactive -210.00 0
31 Dynamic Interactive 7/7/2011 Transfer From PayPal 210.00 0
32 Dynamic Interactive 7/7/2011 Expense Calling charges -38.78 10
33 Dynamic Interactive 7/7/2011 Expense Calling charges -32.13 7
34 Dynamic Interactive 7/7/2011 Expense Calling charges -19.39 5
35 PayPal 7/8/2011 Sale C. C. 20.12 -12
36 PayPal 7/8/2011 Sale J. V. 150.00 -86
37 NeoSpeech 7/8/2011 Misc. Debit 171 Words 0.00 -171
38 Dynamic Interactive 7/8/2011 Expense Calling charges -99.93 54
39 Dynamic Interactive 7/8/2011 Expense Calling charges -139.44 56
40 Dynamic Interactive 7/8/2011 Expense Misc. Calling charges 7/6 to 7/8 -0.36 0
41 PayPal 7/9/2011 Sale Customer # 10001 500.00 -288
42 PayPal 7/9/2011 Sale harikaried 100.00 0
43 PayPal 7/9/2011 Fee Transaction Fee (harikaried) -3.20 0
44 PayPal 7/9/2011 Sale Bergie Bergeron 25.00 -14
45 Amazon 7/10/2011 Misc. Credit Opening 0.00 0
46 Amazon 7/10/2011 Sale harikaried 5.00 -3
47 PayPal 7/10/2011 Sale Refund (harikaried) -100.00 0
48 PayPal 7/10/2011 Fee Transaction Fee Refund (harikaried) 2.90 0
49 PayPal 7/10/2011 Sale RonPaul101.com 10.00 -6
50 Amazon 7/10/2011 Sale harikaried 100.00 -58
51 PayPal 7/11/2011 Transfer To Dynamic Interactive -698.01 0
52 Dynamic Interactive 7/11/2011 Transfer From PayPal 698.01 0
53 Dynamic Interactive 7/11/2011 Expense Calling charges -528.96 305
54 PayPal 7/11/2011 Sale RonPaul101.com 15.00 -8
55 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale parocks 25.00 -14
56 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale J. V. 200.00 -115
57 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale L. M. B. 50.00 -29
58 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale zerosdontcount 20.12 -11
59 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale Woodrow 10.00 -5
60 PayPal 7/12/2011 Sale J. V. 150.00 -87
61 PayPal 7/12/2011 Transfer To Dynamic Interactive -495.00 0
62 Dynamic Interactive 7/12/2011 Transfer From PayPal 495.00 0
63 Amazon 7/12/2011 Transfer To Dynamic Interactive -105.00 0
64 Dynamic Interactive 7/12/2011 Transfer From Amazon 105.00 0
65 Dynamic Interactive 7/12/2011 Expense Calling charges -772.63 446
66 Dynamic Interactive 7/13/2011 Sale tobefree 600.00 -312
67 Dynamic Interactive 7/13/2011 Expense Calling charges -598.54 312
68 PayPal 7/13/2011 Sale (Pending) netwalker 10.00 0
69 PayPal 7/13/2011 Sale (Pending) J. C. 1,000.00 0
70 Amazon 7/14/2011 Sale (Pending) harikaried 95.00 0

Purchase Ron Paul Phone Lists

I am currently selling phone numbers of those who identified themselves as Ron Paul supporters in robopolls for $2 each. These phone numbers are excellent for calling to find Ron Paul supporters interested in attending the Ames straw poll on August 13.

If you want to purchase these phone numbers, you can make a payment directly to my PayPal account, r gear y iii at gmail dot com. If you describe it as a Personal Transfer from your PayPal balance or bank account, PayPal charges no fee (DO NOT describe it as payment for a good or service). Do not describe it as a purchase or else I could be charged an international transaction fee. If you cannot pay me without incurring a fee to you or myself, then consider using Amazon Payments to make the payment (my account email address is the same as my PayPal email address): https://payments.amazon.com/sdui/sdui/index.htm . In your PayPal or Amazon Payment note, please indicate your RPF username; otherwise I will use your initials in the public robopoll project accounting unless you request to be anonymous.

Each list of phone numbers you purchase is guaranteed to be unique from any other list I sell (i.e., the same phone number will not be sold more than once). Once I have conducted the robopolls necessary to fill your order, I will send the list of phone numbers as an attached Excel file to the email address of your choice (e.g., your own, Steve's, etc). You are welcome to share your lists with others.

[realtonygoodwin]

Thank you for transparency!

[trey4sports]

great job dude!

[harikaried]

When does paypal charge a fee? Seems to be a percentage of some sort? Did you look into the Amazon payments? There's no fees and you can link it to your bank account or use as Amazon gift credit.

Edit: Oh and Amazon payments allows payments through credit cards with no fees either for this year.

[parocks]

more great work

[rp08orbust]

When does paypal charge a fee? Seems to be a percentage of some sort? Did you look into the Amazon payments? There's no fees and you can link it to your bank account or use as Amazon gift credit.

PayPal does not charge a fee if you transfer from either your existing PayPal balance or from your bank. If you transfer via your credit card, PayPal will charge a fee. They should warn you that a fee will be charged and give you the option of having the recipient pay it or you pay it (I think it defaults to the recipient paying it).

I've been too busy to look into Amazon.

[harikaried]

Fyi, I ask about the Paypal fee because I paid using my bank account, and in your other posts, you mention there *shouldn't* be a fee when using a bank account.


Amount: $100.00 USD
Sent on: July 9, 2011
Payment method: Bank account

[steph3n]

Fyi, I ask about the Paypal fee because I paid using my bank account, and in your other posts, you mention there *shouldn't* be a fee when using a bank account.

That is only when transferring to or from your own bank account, anytime you send money to someone else a transaction fee occurs regardless of the source. (unless they are running a targeted promo at the time.)

The % taken varies by the account type and reputation over time, among other factors.

[rp08orbust]

Fyi, I ask about the Paypal fee because I paid using my bank account, and in your other posts, you mention there *shouldn't* be a fee when using a bank account.

Hmmm. Did you perhaps describe the transaction as a payment for goods or something? As I recall, there are fees for international sales. I believe PayPal knows I'm in Australia, even though I have my PayPal account linked to US bank accounts and credit cards.

[rp08orbust]

That is only when transferring to or from your own bank account, anytime you send money to someone else a transaction fee occurs regardless of the source. (unless they are running a targeted promo at the time.)

This is incorrect. Instant transfers from your bank account are free. Transfers of money from existing PayPal balances are also free. Combining the two in one step is still free.

[steph3n]

This is incorrect. Instant transfers from your bank account are free.

I have never had this to occur, I have ALWAYS been charged if someone sent me money, if from CC, instant bank transfer, echeck, anything. I have been with paypal for over 10 years now.

[rp08orbust]

I have never had this to occur, I have ALWAYS been charged if someone sent me money, if from CC, instant bank transfer, echeck, anything. I have been with paypal for over 10 years now.

I've had a PayPal account since the late 1990s and have never been charged unless someone bought something from me on ebay or paid me from a credit card. Maybe we have slightly different types of accounts.

[harikaried]

As I recall, there are fees for international sales. I believe PayPal knows I'm in AustraliaAh, that's probably part of why you don't want to set up an Amazon payments account?

[rp08orbust]

Ah, that's probably part of why you don't want to set up an Amazon payments account?

I just set one up. I had to call up Bank of America and temporarily change my address back to my mother's US address before my credit card could be verified (the form would not accept an Australian address).

[Johncjackson]

I've been using Paypal for 11 years. There has always been a fee ( most accounts are 2.9% + a per transaction fee of 30 cents, I believe) to receive money, regardless of the source ( balance, bank, card), unless the sender elects to pay it. I have a U.S. business account.

[svobody]

Gift payment, guys. You have to send money as a gift to avoid fees. It's an option when selecting payment type.

[angelatc]

Paypal always charges a fee, and people don't like to use Amazon payments. (If you get people to send you "gifts" Paypal will shut you down for lying.)

I hate Paypal with a passion, but if you don't use it, people won't donate. It's ok to offer Amazon as a Paypal alternative, but if you stop taking Paypal, your donations will also drop off.

[rp08orbust]

I just called PayPal and asked about each purchase that incurred a transaction fee. In every case, the customer described the purchase as a payment for goods or services.

I can refund payments upon request, allowing customers to resend their payments without fees. You will get refunded the full amount of your payment and my account will be deducted the net amount plus $0.30, which is non-refundable. I've gone ahead and refunded harikaried his $100 payment.

[rp08orbust]

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[RonPaul101.com]

I just called PayPal and asked about each donation that incurred a transaction fee. In every case, the donor described the donation as a payment for goods or services.

I can refund donations upon request, allowing donors to resend their donations without fees. You will get refunded the full amount of your donation and my account will be deducted the net amount plus $0.30, which is non-refundable. I've gone ahead and refunded harikaried his $100 donation.

I'm new to this particular thread; is there an email or chip in to donate to for this project?

[rp08orbust]

I'm new to this particular thread; is there an email or chip in to donate to for this project?

I've added purchasing instructions to the top post.

[angelatc]

I described the nature of the transaction to the PayPal customer service rep (a donation for a volunteer political campaign project) and she said that "Personal Transfer" was appropriate.

Knock yourself out then. But I can absolutely assure you that the Paypal rep is wrong. Also, even though you just told them you're collecting for a project using a personal account. don't be surprised to find your account suspended and you locked out of the access to your funds once their computer flags you for suspicious behavior.

[rp08orbust]

Knock yourself out then. But I can absolutely assure you that the Paypal rep is wrong. Also, even though you just told them you're collecting for a project using a personal account. don't be surprised to find your account suspended and you locked out of the access to your funds once their computer flags you for suspicious behavior.

My wife just confirmed what you say. I've withdrawn the entire balance to my bank account (though I guess it isn't really safe until it reaches my bank account in 3-4 business days). I guess as long as I keep withdrawing each payment I receive immediately, there isn't a huge risk if PayPal decides to shut me down.

[RonPaul101.com]

I've added donation instructions to the top post.

Can you let me know if you just got this?

Date:
Jul 10, 2011
Time:
16:23:22 PDT
Status:
Completed

Subject:

You've got money!
Note:

Donation for Robopolling, from ronpaul101.com
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance
Funding Source:
$10.00 USD - PayPal Account

[rp08orbust]

Can you let me know if you just got this?

Date:
Jul 10, 2011
Time:
16:23:22 PDT
Status:
Completed

Subject:

You've got money!
Note:

Donation for Robopolling, from ronpaul101.com
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance
Funding Source:
$10.00 USD - PayPal Account

Got it, thank you!

[angelatc]

My wife just confirmed what you say. I've withdrawn the entire balance to my bank account (though I guess it isn't really safe until it reaches my bank account in 3-4 business days). I guess as long as I keep withdrawing each donation immediately, there isn't a huge risk if PayPal decides to shut me down.

Yep. Leaving your money in there is a dangerous game. They will eventually discover that you're not up to anything nefarious, of course, but that process can take 3 months.

[rp08orbust]

It will take 5-7 business days for Amazon to verify my bank account with microdeposits. Hopefully the expired California drivers license that I provided will not be a problem (I think I gave it to my bank when I opened the account the last time I was in the US).

[harikaried]

I resent the money through Amazon payments. Fyi, I notice there's two separate $1000 limits for sending and receiving credit card payments. But I sent it with existing credits I had in my account. (Sending from a bank account through Amazon is unlimited for sender and receiver.)

[rp08orbust]

Updated with $355 in cash. I'll wait until I have $600 cash before making another deposit at Dynamic Interactive so that I get the 14% discount on call charges. Can we get it by 5pm Pacific so I can have another big day? (305 Ron Paul supporters identified yesterday.)

[Eric21ND]

Updated with $355 in cash. I'll wait until I have $600 cash before making another deposit at Dynamic Interactive so that I get the 14% discount on call charges. Can we get it by 5pm Pacific so I can have another big day? (305 Ron Paul supporters identified yesterday.)
It's amazing to me your effort doesn't have $3000+ instead of $355...what you're doing could very well win us the Ames Straw Poll and make Dr. Paul the frontrunner for the first time ever.

[rp08orbust]

It's amazing to me your effort doesn't have $3000+ instead of $355...what you're doing could very well win us the Ames Straw Poll and make Dr. Paul the frontrunner for the first time ever.

It has $355 cash on hand. I've raised and spent much more than that. But yeah, I'm surprised there aren't more buyers.

[zerosdontcount]

Donate people! BUMP

[cdc482]

Seriously people. I've given 10% of my weekly paycheck so far, and I will give more when I have it. Who wants Ron Paul to win Ames?

[cdc482]

If 5 people donate $20, I'll donate another $20 and post the transaction. I will do this up to two times. Post your confirmations.

[specsaregood]

It has $355 cash on hand. I've raised and spent much more than that. But yeah, I'm surprised there aren't more donors.

Weren't you just saying the other day you think people that hadn't maxed out to the official campaign and were eligible to donate to the official campaign to donate to the them instead? if so, why the surprise?

[rp08orbust]

Weren't you just saying the other day you think people that hadn't maxed out to the official campaign and were eligible to donate to the official campaign to donate to the them instead? if so, why the surprise?

I would have thought the news of this project's success would spread a bit more than it has and bring more maxed-out donors out of lurking.

[specsaregood]

I would have thought the news of this project's success would spread a bit more than it has and bring more maxed-out donors out of lurking.

i think those guys are far and few between. the economy is in the tank. :(

has any posts about this ended up on the dailypaul?

[JamesButabi]

Im very impressed with the project. Trying to conjure up some funds for you dude.

[harikaried]

For those with credit cards, you can send money to rgearyiii through Amazon payments without any fees/charges.

[Slutter McGee]

gonna send 50 your way after work. good job.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[woodrow]

Did you get my $10? Did I do it correctly? Keep up the good work!

[rp08orbust]

I've updated the accounting to include all purchases so far today as well as Slutter McGee's $50 pledge. We have $485.12 with about an hour to get to $600 before 5pm Pacific.

[cdc482]

bump

[cdc482]

da bump

[ForLibertyFight]

bump

[harikaried]

We have $485.12 with about an hour to get to $600 before 5pm Pacific.Any particular reason for that deadline? What's wrong with Wednesday evening calling? You mentioned getting a lot of return calls with responses already that are going to be unanswered for now. Wouldn't it make more sense to figure out how to capture those responses before calling thousands more people?

[rp08orbust]

Any particular reason for that deadline? What's wrong with Wednesday evening calling? You mentioned getting a lot of return calls with responses already that are going to be unanswered for now. Wouldn't it make more sense to figure out how to capture those responses before calling thousands more people?

I can't add calling credit after Dynamic Interactive closes at 5pm. There's nothing wrong with Wednesday evening polling, but there are only so many days between now and the straw poll--I want to cram as much robopolling in before then as possible.

The return text messages and voicemails are mostly "Do not call". (The voicemail says to reply with a text message stating either your preferred presidential candidate or "do not call".)

[harikaried]

The return text messages and voicemails are mostly "Do not call"I wonder if the message could be better presented to get a higher response rate. Sure, some people just don't want to be bothered (perhaps at that particular time?). But any idea how many people stop in the middle?

Various ideas:
- state upfront how long the call will be
- let people pick a better time to respond or maybe something like "if you prefer to text your answers, call back to get instructions" (or if possible, text the number for instructions?)

[rp08orbust]

gonna send 50 your way after work. good job.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Unless your initials are L. M. B., whose payment I believe I received before this post, I haven't received your payment.

I went ahead and made a $600 purchase at Interactive Dynamics anyway using my credit card and withdrew everything that was in my PayPal and Amazon accounts, which was a total of $585.12. I don't actually have a negative PayPal balance. The $-14.88 indicates that the project's share of my PayPal balance will be $50 - $14.88 once I do receive your payment.

[Slutter McGee]

Unless your initials are L. M. B., whose donation I believe I received before this post, I haven't received your donation.

I went ahead and made a $600 purchase at Interactive Dynamics anyway using my credit card and withdrew everything that was in my PayPal and Amazon accounts, which was a total of $585.12. I don't actually have a negative PayPal balance. The $-14.88 indicates that the project's share of my PayPal balance will be $50 - $14.88 once I do receive your donation.

Yeah. I already posted in another post, that I am having issues with Pay Pal. It wont accept my debit card and I refuse to use credit cards. Once I figure this crap out you will get your donation.

Slutter McGee

[zerosdontcount]

Hook it up to your bank account, should do the trick.