We've been fooled ...again...

[JK/SEA]

Anyone watching C-SPAN house voting now?...it appears we have PLENTY of money for defense and Pentagon projects...wait..they just voted to defund military marching bands...thank God...we can all sleep better tonight now. What a farce.

The Kucinich/ Amash bill coming up.....

[Vessol]

Omg they voted to defund marching bands!? They must hate america and freedom! Omg they are letting the terrorists win!

[acptulsa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zydAs5bRW1U

[JK/SEA]

Kucinich/ Amash bill narrowly defeated. I'd explain the bill, but it was only about some stupid shit like war or something. No big deal.

[flightlesskiwi]

thanks for the update. not around a tv today.

in regard to the amendment getting defeated, i'm gonna pull a Virginia Beach no-no: @#$%!!

on a side note, thought yall would enjoy a little knowledge expansion (source is Wiki):
The U.S. Air Force Band is part of the U.S. Air Force Bands Program, [4] which consists of 10 stateside bands, [5] 4 overseas active-duty bands, [6] and 11 Air National Guard bands. [

[flightlesskiwi]

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/07/07/house-narrowly-reject-defunding-of-libya-war/


A broader bipartisan amendment from Reps. Amash (R – MI) and Kucinich (D – OH) narrowly failed, with a vote of, 199-229. That amendment would have barred the use of any funds for the war in any capacity. This vote was overwhelmingly opposed by Democrats, but saw a split among Republicans.

Still, the Cole (R – OK) Amendment, a less ambitious version, managed to pass, which prohibits any funding for equipment, training or advice related to the Libya War in the bill. The amendment was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans, but few Democrats. The vote was 225-201.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/08/c_13972193.htm


The measures voted in the House were amendments in a 649- billion-dollar defense budget that is to go into effect on Oct. 1. The chamber first voted 229-199 to reject an amendment that would prohibit the use of defense dollars to continue U.S. participation in the NATO-led mission in Libya.

The House then voted 225-201 to adopt another amendment in the budget forbidding the Pentagon from providing military equipment, training, advice or support to the Libyan rebels.

politics politics.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Omg they voted to defund marching bands!? They must hate america and freedom! Omg they are letting the terrorists win!What a circus...

I watched Senior Democrat on the House appropriations committee, Norm Dicks (D-WA) debate some republican about cuts in Iraq and Afghanistan for 5 minutes. Dicks was against any cuts in the wars... then the republican came back and stated the cuts are to the annual DOD budget, not to the war budgets in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Then Dicks quickly tried to recover and stated... no shit, "Well, that's even worse!"

Absolutely incredible these prostitutes on Capital Hill. Checkout this gem of a pic at the bottom with DOD secretary Robert Gates... surprise surprise. :rolleyes: Further research reveals: http://www.house.gov/dicks/search6th.shtml

$5 Billion in Defense Contractor Business 2000-2010
http://www.house.gov/dicks/images/WA06_110sm.gif


Pierce County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/pierce_county_wa_washington.asp) ---------- 792 --- 14,104 = $2,388,060,752
Thurston County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/thurston_county_wa_washington.asp) ------- 199 --- 1,196 = $1,705,394,467
Kitsap County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/kitsap_county_wa_washington.asp)----------- 391 --- 9,508 = $1,889,736,670
Mason County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/mason_county_wa_washington.asp) ------------ 32 ---- 177 = $19,372,810
Grays Harbor County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/grays_harbor_county_wa_washington.asp) ---- 36 ---- 299 = $60,487,954
Clallam County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/clallam_county_wa_washington.asp) ----------- 39 ---- 220 = $13,882,592
Jefferson County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/jefferson_county_wa_washington.asp) --------- 44 ---- 683 = $340,457,871

26187 -- # of Defense Contract Awards
1533 --- # of Defense Contractors
$4.9 Billion in DOD expenditures

Obey, Dicks and Gates planning the big steal from the taxpayers
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gates+Mullen+Testify+Defense+Department+Budget+LHw aBagNgMxl.jpg

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

What a circus...

I watched Senior Democrat on the House appropriations committee, Norm Dicks (D-WA) debate some republican about cuts in Iraq and Afghanistan for 5 minutes. Dicks was against any cuts in the wars... then the republican came back and stated the cuts are to the annual DOD budget, not to the war budgets in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Then Dicks quickly tried to recover and stated... no shit, "Well, that's even worse!"

Absolutely incredible these prostitutes on Capital Hill gem a pic at the bottom with DOD secretary Robert Gates... surprise surprise. :rolleyes: Further research reveals: http://www.house.gov/dicks/search6th.shtml

$5 Billion in Defense Contractor Business 2000-2010
http://www.house.gov/dicks/images/WA06_110sm.gif


Pierce County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/pierce_county_wa_washington.asp) ---------- 792 --- 14,104 = $2,388,060,752
Thurston County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/thurston_county_wa_washington.asp) ------- 199 --- 1,196 = $1,705,394,467
Kitsap County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/kitsap_county_wa_washington.asp)----------- 391 --- 9,508 = $1,889,736,670
Mason County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/mason_county_wa_washington.asp) ------------ 32 ---- 177 = $19,372,810
Grays Harbor County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/grays_harbor_county_wa_washington.asp) ---- 36 ---- 299 = $60,487,954
Clallam County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/clallam_county_wa_washington.asp) ----------- 39 ---- 220 = $13,882,592
Jefferson County WA (http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/jefferson_county_wa_washington.asp) --------- 44 ---- 683 = $340,457,871

26187 -- # of Defense Contract Awards
1533 --- # of Defense Contractors
$4.9 Billion in DOD expenditures

Obey, Dicks and Gates planning the big steal from the taxpayers
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gates+Mullen+Testify+Defense+Department+Budget+LHw aBagNgMxl.jpg

Great picture of the huddling bastards! My! They even look like they are hunkered over to steal money from the American people!

[ssantoro]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/603/thievesk.jpg

[oyarde]

Anyone watching C-SPAN house voting now?...it appears we have PLENTY of money for defense and Pentagon projects...wait..they just voted to defund military marching bands...thank God...we can all sleep better tonight now. What a farce.

The Kucinich/ Amash bill coming up.....

Seriously , do they still even have more than one of those ??

[oyarde]

thanks for the update. not around a tv today.

in regard to the amendment getting defeated, i'm gonna pull a Virginia Beach no-no: @#$%!!

on a side note, thought yall would enjoy a little knowledge expansion (source is Wiki):
The U.S. Air Force Band is part of the U.S. Air Force Bands Program, [4] which consists of 10 stateside bands, [5] 4 overseas active-duty bands, [6] and 11 Air National Guard bands. [

Air Force has all of that ? What for ? Seems very excessive ....

[acptulsa]

Oh, well. The people want peace, so we had better take it out on John Phillips Souza.

Meanwhile, for those who think we're doing no real good here, may I point out how incredibly bizarre it is to hear tell of Democrats arguing for war funding, and Republicans against the stuff? This isn't unprecedented, mind you--just unheard of in the last three quarters of a century or nearly so.

Damned good job, people! Keep up the pressure!


Air Force has all of that ? What for ? Seems very excessive ....

At least battleships have enough room for their bands on deck. Where do you put the band on an F-16?

[flightlesskiwi]

Air Force has all of that ? What for ? Seems very excessive ....

bingo!

i only pointed out what i know. a few months ago an article ran in air force times. it was about how the af was planning on making the members of these various bands actually have to PCS (permanent change of station-- ie move from one assignment to another which generally means moving from one base to another). the members of the bands FREAKED out. they were livid. hostile. insanely so. their defense: "we are members of a band! a creative force!! you just canNOT take a tuba player from one band and move him to another band and expect us to mesh well when you supply us with a new tuba player. bands don't work that way."

talk about an entitlement attitude. i nearly choked when i read the article. how many people do you know that earns from 50 to 100k playing a #@^ tuba. oh, yeah, add personal and family medical benefits and job security?

[DamianTV]

Its one thing to actually be fooled, its totally another when you know exactly what is going on and are powerless by yourself to do anything about it.

[UWDude]

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gates+Mullen+Testify+Defense+Department+Budget+LHw aBagNgMxl.jpg

I lived in this pig's district most of my life. During the Bremerton Armed Forces Parade of 2004 or 2005, I went with a couple of friends to cheer the Iraq Veterans Against the War, who were, predictably placed second to last, right behind the used car dealers, real estate firms, and Lawyer firms. Norm Dicks, the enormous dick that he is, waddled his way through the route riding in an Army jeep (although he never served).

The next year, one of them was banned from the Armed Forces Day Parade, because the parade was, quote "not supposed to be about politics." end quote.

Who do you think it was banned from the armed forces day parade for being too political? The group whose entire list of members had served as veterans in foreign wars... ...or fat Dicks tubbing around in an Army Jeep covered in election signs like he had ever even worn a uniform?

Just remember kids, this is a free country.

[DamianTV]

That's right! Free Country! They printed up some money and bought it from us. And since fiat paper money is worthless, they essencially got it from us "FOR FREE"!

[vita3]

911 turned out to be a hell of a multiplier for this Nations military industrial complex. Still wish in my heart that Dr.Paul would have answered Carl Camerons with more questions about WTC7, etc..

[acptulsa]

911 turned out to be a hell of a multiplier for this Nations military industrial complex. Still wish in my heart that Dr.Paul would have answered Carl Camerons with more questions about WTC7, etc..

Tell you what let's do. Let's concentrate on getting him elected, then see what he declassifies. Sound like a plan?

[vita3]

Sorry acptulsa, Ron's answer to that question was stunning & empty & certainly did not help him win that election.

..All he had to do was put some resonable doubt into the facts of that day, but he dismissed any resonable discussion.

If he takes on the 911 issue, (which is the heart of our endless wars & corrupt foreign policy) i will help him get elected 100%.. right now I'm chuging away @ 10%. ;)

[acptulsa]

If he takes on the 911 issue, (which is the heart of our endless wars & corrupt foreign policy) i will help him get elected 100%.. right now I'm chuging away @ 10%. ;)

Oh? You've heard some candidate besides Ron Paul call for another and more proper investigation? He's the only one I've heard say anything of the sort. All the rest seem stuck on some variation of Dubya's 'Yer with us or yer with the terrists.'

[oyarde]

Ron has my vote , again...

[Tinnuhana]

Wow! Does that mean III MEF won't have a band anymore? They could have car washes like all the other bands.