Herman Cain money bomb a major flop!

[Delegate2]

Yesterday the cain campign had a money bomb they had less than 1/2 of the pledges they asked for which was 2500.

The raised a whoppin 67k in 24 hours

The Cain people are trying to defend the failure here : h xxp://www.hermancainforums.com/index.php?topic=181.0

[sailingaway]

Most Online Today: 36. Most Online Ever: 36 (Today at 07:35:17 AM)

... might be part of their problem....

[CaptUSA]

How many of that 36 were people from this board checking out the flop?

[georgiaboy]

might wanna break the link.

[VBRonPaulFan]

wow, that is a pathetic money bomb.

[sailingaway]

I thought the same thing, but it was earlier in the day. I did check it out, but I went to the donation page. Ron didn't do all that much better yesterday, mind you he did far better the few days before that. But still, we really need to be concerned about our own fundraising. Bachmann is expected to transfer millions from her congressional account and 'isn't declaring' yet whether she will run for congress....

If Ron 'didn't declare' could people max out to his congressional campaign 'in addition' and then could they transfer it to the presidential campaign? I am not sure how that works, but Politico said MB was going to transfer funds.

[AGRP]

Get on the Cain Train!

[anaconda]

wow, that is a pathetic money bomb.

Cain's money bomb crushes Obama's December 2009 money bomb. Money bombs are not correlated to votes.

[newyearsrevolution08]

not really a money bomb but hey guys at least people are donating to what THEY believe or think is best for the country. They are doing just as we are. The only difference is, they haven't been completely made aware of how our current system whether republican OR democratic is COLLAPSING us.

We had our blockers on at some point to so lets stop pretending like we came out of our moms screaming "ron paul 2012 and liberty for all!"

lets give ALL americans the chance to vote FOR the constitution this go around. If they decide different then we will still take our country back one way or another.

Ron Paul or Bust

[sailingaway]

Cain's money bomb crushes Obama's December 2009 money bomb. Money bombs are not correlated to votes.

No, but it is correlated to how long a candidate can stay in a campaign if he can't raise money. And how good a campaign he can field. Which is why I suggest we concentrate more on RON's fundraising...

[olehounddog]

I thought a "moneybomb" was money in the bank, not pledges.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I thought a "moneybomb" was money in the bank, not pledges.

yeah he had more of an "I Owe You" bomb

LOL

[One Last Battle!]

I suspect a chunk of the posters there are unaffiliated Ron Paul trolls.

http://www.hermancainforums.com/index.php?topic=12.0


I don't support Ron Paul because

1) He opposed the TARP bailouts
2) He wants to abolish the federal reserve

Herman worked for the FED, so I support them. I'm not quite sure how they work, but I trust that herman knows what he's talking about.. Maybe I need to do more research but for now, if Herman says they're ok, I'm with him. Herman knows business, and he supported the bailouts, so I trust him on that.


Ron Paul is damn near insane. I haven't read any of his books, but I'll take fox new's word on this one.


Ron Paul's an idiot for wanting the FED shut down, who else will print all our money? Romney and Cain understand this issue more than anyone


On economics he is alright but on foreign policy he wants to just leave the world alone. We have to spread American democracy around world because there are terrorists who hate us for our freedoms.

etc

[newyearsrevolution08]

I suspect a chunk of the posters there are unaffiliated Ron Paul trolls.

That last one about terrorists who hate our freedoms IS a reason many republicans vote the way they do actually. It is either that OR the israel pitch.

it is so far fetched that people think that way but it is what it is. I think alot has to do with confused christian beliefs about israel and crossing that with a confusion produced by America and other governments making us THINK we need to do the so called christian thing and take care of EVERYONE in need.

that is at least one take on it

[angelatc]

Sailing Away asked, "If Ron 'didn't declare' could people max out to his congressional campaign 'in addition' and then could they transfer it to the presidential campaign?"

If you're asking what I think you're asking - can people max out to both campaigns, then let the Congressional campaign transfer the money over... no. Not in the same election cycle. Somebody who maxxed out in the 2010 election could donate the max to the 2012 campaign even if money leftover from 2010 was transferred over, though.

[AZKing]

I suspect a chunk of the posters there are unaffiliated Ron Paul trolls.

LOL, I was just about to post about that myself. Probably trolls, but it'd still be funny as hell if they weren't.

The other posts still make me laugh regardless. It's a good reminder that socon/neocon/"socialist agenda" hatin' people are still as ignorant as ever.


On economics he is alright but on foreign policy he wants to just leave the world alone. We have to spread American democracy around world because there are terrorists who hate us for our freedoms.

[LibertyEagle]

LOL, I was just about to post about that myself. Probably trolls, but it'd still be funny as hell if they weren't.

The other posts still make me laugh regardless. It's a good reminder that socon/neocon/"socialist agenda" hatin' people are still as ignorant as ever.

Cut it out! Stop insulting Republicans; especially the social-conservatives. These same people you are insulting here, are ones that Dr. Paul and the campaign have been working tirelessly in Iowa to bring over to liberty. Guess what? It is working.

The first rule of the grassroots must be to DO NO HARM to Dr. Paul's campaign.

[freshjiva]

67K may not be a lot, but it beats Pawlenty's $50K thriller.

[mello]

I personally feel that Ron Paul's big money bomb should be strategically placed.
My vote would be the day before Super Tuesday & it should be planned out
months in advance in order to maximize donations & to make the national news
right before Super Tuesday. It would be a marketing home run if we could raise
more than the 6+ million we accomplished in the last election. 10+ million
would be astounding and would be something the msm media couldn't ignore.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I personally feel that Ron Paul's big money bomb should be strategically placed.
My vote would be the day before Super Tuesday & it should be planned out
months in advance in order to maximize donations & to make the national news
right before Super Tuesday. It would be a marketing home run if we could raise
more than the 6+ million we accomplished in the last election. 10+ million
would be astounding and would be something the msm media couldn't ignore.

The problem with long extended planning like that is MANY will be saving versus DONATING NOW. I would rather ron paul get money NOW as we can get it to him versus us trying to save up and do some super duper donation day. Reason being, who actually KEEPS cash that they are saving OR do you spend it? Odds are you spend it else you would already be able to max out on ron paul.

We are bad at savings as a country in general so I say lets be American and spend our money as we get it but in this case donate it to ron pauls official campaign OR use it to wake the sheep around you.

[Cutlerzzz]

I suspect a chunk of the posters there are unaffiliated Ron Paul trolls.

http://www.hermancainforums.com/index.php?topic=12.0









etc
It has me wondering, could that approach be beneficial at times? I once tried to call Sean Hannity and was going to pretend to be a democrat who hates Ron Paul and claim he's insane for his economic beliefs, in order to get Hannity to defend Paul. I was not able to get throug however.

[Revolution9]

If you're asking what I think you're asking - can people max out to both campaigns, then let the Congressional campaign transfer the money over... no. Not in the same election cycle. Somebody who maxxed out in the 2010 election could donate the max to the 2012 campaign even if money leftover from 2010 was transferred over, though.

I haven't paid much attention till I came back here..was trying to contribute to the economies growth...but I recall a SCOTUS decision about campaign donations having no limit now. Is that correct and if not what is the limit? Same as 2008?

Rev9

[sailingaway]

I haven't paid much attention till I came back here..was trying to contribute to the economies growth...but I recall a SCOTUS decision about campaign donations having no limit now. Is that correct and if not what is the limit? Same as 2008?

Rev9

I do believe that only applies to corporations. Nice, huh?

But I didn't research it to know its limits, I just read about it when the decision was handed down.

[sailingaway]

If you're asking what I think you're asking - can people max out to both campaigns, then let the Congressional campaign transfer the money over... no. Not in the same election cycle. Somebody who maxxed out in the 2010 election could donate the max to the 2012 campaign even if money leftover from 2010 was transferred over, though.

thanks.

[dannno]

So wait...... this is actually a real forum :confused:

[Pro-Life Libertarian]

67K may not be a lot, but it beats Pawlenty's $50K thriller.

That has to be embarrassing for Pawlenty

[dannno]

Wow, I just found Josh's sole posting on that forum from last month :eek:

[dspectre]

Even though Herman Cain has very questionable attributes as a candidate, we shouldn't be putting down people who want to support their candidate. At least they are willing to get involved in the process to try to change things. That is far more then what most people are willing to do.

It's fine to question someone's ideas and positions, but we shouldn't personally attack people(do we like it when it is done to us?).

[Pro-Life Libertarian]

Even though Herman Cain has very questionable attributes as a candidate, we shouldn't be putting down people who want to support their candidate. At least they are willing to get involved in the process to try to change things. That is far more then what most people are willing to do.

It's fine to question someone's ideas and positions, but we shouldn't personally attack people(do we like it when it is done to us?).

I am a member of another conservative forum that got destroyed by that we call the "Troll Storm of 2008". Obama supporters won yet they felt the need to completely destroy the site. Hundreds of them began spamming. Took a while to remove all the trolls.

[sailingaway]

Super Tuesday is way too late. He needs to have people committed before then and needs the money to make that happen.

[Delegate2]

Ron is doing fine, it is still early in the campaign, I suspect he will raise plenty over the next 4 months or so, I wouldn't be too concerned at this point, but there is much work to be done.

[1836]

Idea: Herman Cain LOL bomb. Go post LOL on the Herman Cain forums.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Herman Cain Forums is a parody. Think 'Fred Thompson forum' circa 2007.

Wonder when the one for Bachmann will appear.

[musicmax]

Hermie can just call his buddies in Kansas City to print some $ up for him

[angrydragon]

Great for Cain, at least they're trying. If half of the fans on Ron's facebook page donated 10 dollars, that'll be a nice 2 million.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Hermie can just call his buddies in Kansas City to print some $ up for him Yeah, could of had his crone criminal friends at the FEDERAL RESERVE just print up $15 Million, then Cain could say his phony fundraising was more successful than Marchurian Mitt's FONY FUNDRAISERS.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Well once he drops o.ut where with his supporters go? I think we should have room in here for them. I know when hucks army got a spot here they hung out for a bit. If anything it would be fun to add an opposing forum section allowing other candidate supporters the ability to debate us.

what fun that could and would be.

[Delegate2]

That is a great idea, so long as the debate would remain not hostile, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[KCIndy]

If half of the fans on Ron's facebook page donated 10 dollars, that'll be a nice 2 million.


That's what's really bothering me. Dr. Paul has lots of people who are Facebook fans, Twitter followers and the like. And the Campaign for Liberty has.... how many members? And think of all the meet-up groups from '08.... I know there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of us who really appreciate Dr. Paul and are grateful for what he has done for the cause of liberty.

Unfortunately, gratitude is worth its weight in gold, as the old saying goes. :(

The make or break point of this campaign is going to come at some time within the next few months. The next couple of days, really. If Dr. Paul can't put up impressive fundraising numbers very early in the game, then we may as well throw in the towel.

So in short, I agree 100% with angrydragon. If only HALF of RP's facebook fans would kick in ten bucks, we would close the quarter with a bang. I know times are tough, but I can't imagine anyone who can't afford to toss in ten bucks. And we only need that from half the Facebook group.

What's wrong with people? Why can't everyone see the critical need to donate NOW????

[ctiger2]

What's wrong with people? Why can't everyone see the critical need to donate NOW????

Ron needs to have some inspirational moments in the debates. It's still early.

[AlexAmore]

How about a "You guys are adorable" Bomb?

Someone should start it off with a "That's adorable" in response to the money "dud".

Also notice how there isn't one post in the civil liberties section.

[anaconda]

No, but it is correlated to how long a candidate can stay in a campaign if he can't raise money. And how good a campaign he can field. Which is why I suggest we concentrate more on RON's fundraising...

You make an important point. And, I probably need to correct myself: Money bombs are a manifestation of Ron's grassroots fundraising. And Ron is unique among candidates for being able to raise unusually large sums from the grassroots small donor. So money bombs are certainly correlated to Ron's success and votes (of course along with all of his additional grassroots contributions on non money bomb days). But money bombs are nearly irrelevant to establishment candidates since they have little enthusiasm from the grassroots and receive most of their funding when it appears they are likely to get the nomination of their party. Think McCain in 2008. He was flying coach and carrying his own luggage in late 2007.

[Matthew Zak]

If you're asking what I think you're asking - can people max out to both campaigns, then let the Congressional campaign transfer the money over... no. Not in the same election cycle. Somebody who maxxed out in the 2010 election could donate the max to the 2012 campaign even if money leftover from 2010 was transferred over, though.

So if we had known that, and at the end of Ron's latest congressional office maxed out, he could have funneled those funds to the current presidential bid?

[PaulConventionWV]

I just had an idea that I'm sure has been brought up on here. Is there any way that those of us who were willing and had more than enough could provide those of us who can't max out with enough money with the promise that it would be donated to the campaign? I realize this is probably not a good idea over the internet because you don't really know where the money is going, but if you actually know someone in real life, it would be a good way to allow others to donate more money to Paul and drastically increasing his funds. It's not completely practical online, but I could see it being helpful. Just imagine if everyone of Paul's million or so supporters donated the max amount? They would be set for the primaries AND the general election!

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I just had an idea that I'm sure has been brought up on here. Is there any way that those of us who were willing and had more than enough could provide those of us who can't max out with enough money with the promise that it would be donated to the campaign? I realize this is probably not a good idea over the internet because you don't really know where the money is going, but if you actually know someone in real life, it would be a good way to allow others to donate more money to Paul and drastically increasing his funds. It's not completely practical online, but I could see it being helpful. Just imagine if everyone of Paul's million or so supporters donated the max amount? They would be set for the primaries AND the general election!

illegal.

[Kotin]

I just had an idea that I'm sure has been brought up on here. Is there any way that those of us who were willing and had more than enough could provide those of us who can't max out with enough money with the promise that it would be donated to the campaign? I realize this is probably not a good idea over the internet because you don't really know where the money is going, but if you actually know someone in real life, it would be a good way to allow others to donate more money to Paul and drastically increasing his funds. It's not completely practical online, but I could see it being helpful. Just imagine if everyone of Paul's million or so supporters donated the max amount? They would be set for the primaries AND the general election!

Please refrain from discussing carrying out illegal activities on this forum.

[BamaAla]

Your heart was in the right place Paul! +rep

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Your heart was in the right place Paul! +rep

true.

4 years ago I unwittingly suggested the same thing. :)

[Delegate2]

No you can't do that, violation of FEC regulations, it is some what of a safe guard to where billionaires can't give 100,000,000 the money to max donate to one candidate.

[PaulConventionWV]

Sorry, I had no idea. I didn't know the FEC was allowed to regulate money transactions between citizens...

[Airborn]

Herman Cain Forums is a parody. Think 'Fred Thompson forum' circa 2007.

Wonder when the one for Bachmann will appear.

Actually that is a real Herman Cain forum, but there are people there in disguise.. But was set up by HC supporters