House Rejects measure authorizing Libya mission

[bobbyw24]

(Reuters) - War-fatigued lawmakers in the House of Representatives took a symbolic swipe at President Barack Obama's Libya policy on Friday, rejecting a resolution that would have authorized his limited military intervention against Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi for a year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/24/us-usa-libya-idUSTRE75N4C820110624

[sailingaway]

There were two, do we know what happened to the other one?

[jmdrake]

Hurray! This has to be first post 9/11 war that the house officially disapproved of.

[Krugerrand]

With the handful of individuals that challenged going to war based on Lord Barry's birth certificate ... it's a shame that none (that I have heard of) challenge orders to go into Libya. Our troops should just flat out refuse.

[Seraphim]

Ron Paul and his supporters are making a SERIOUS difference.


Hurray! This has to be first post 9/11 war that the house officially disapproved of.

[sailingaway]

Hurray! This has to be first post 9/11 war that the house officially disapproved of.

There was another resolution that purportedly didn't approve spending for it but Ron said had exceptions for the exact things Obama is doing, so it really gives authorization while pretending not. I don't know what happened to it.

[Matt Collins]

Word is that the Dems are putting up a resolution on Libya which is really nothing more than just continuing the status quo. Ron will vote against this of course.


However Republican Representative Tom Rooney has introduced another resolution and is claiming it will stop the President's involvement in Libya. However this is untrue. This resolution says that 'we're not involved' but yet it supports the President's actions anyway. Ron will be voting against this too!


Ron discussed this on the Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch show yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eACE7nPLmNM#t=6m21s

[Matt Collins]

From another thread



Two videos:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=600159332


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYcHBD4dHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYcHBD4dHo

[tsai3904]

There was another resolution that purportedly didn't approve spending for it but Ron said had exceptions for the exact things Obama is doing, so it really gives authorization while pretending not. I don't know what happened to it.

It's being debated on the House floor right now.

[MozoVote]

It looks like the 2nd bill is failing too... if this one does not pass, then what? I suppose after the recess, the House takes up the Senate bill which basically authorizes what the president is doing?

I'm getting the impression that Obama has really entangled himself in a separation-of-powers mess, that the Congress will have difficulty extricating him from.

[flightlesskiwi]

With the handful of individuals that challenged going to war based on Lord Barry's birth certificate ... it's a shame that none (that I have heard of) challenge orders to go into Libya. Our troops should just flat out refuse.

good luck with that one. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?299494-A-debate-about-the-Constitution-amoungst-those-who-took-and-oath-to-uphold-it

[Jake Ralston]

What happens if both bills fail to pass?

[LibertyEagle]

There were two, do we know what happened to the other one?

Both failed.

[HOLLYWOOD]

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[Jake Ralston]

So the operations in Libya must cease immediately?

[aravoth]

one vote was to strip authorization, the other was to strip funding, Congress basically voted to deny authorization for Libya, then they voted to fund it.

[flightlesskiwi]

one vote was to strip authorization, the other was to strip funding, Congress basically voted to deny authorization for Libya, then they voted to fund it.

so, libya is unconstitutionally constitutional?

[olehounddog]

So the operations in Libya must cease immediately?

My understanding is nothing changes. But the last 1 would have given Obama premission to do certain things like surveilance, search and rescue, and a couple of more things I can't recall. Search and rescue for whom? Do we send in a company of infantry to rescue some trapped rebels?

[aravoth]

so, libya is unconstitutionally constitutional?

Exactly. They voted symbolically first, rejecting the authorization, which essentially meant nothing and will do nothing. Then, they voted against DE-FUNDING the operations in Libya.

Basically, they are saying, "we don't agree with it, but here's all the money you need to kill as many people as you can."

[specsaregood]

one vote was to strip authorization, the other was to strip funding, Congress basically voted to deny authorization for Libya, then they voted to fund it.

Not quite, the vote to "strip funding" had exemptions for all the stuff Obama is already doing. So actually the "strip funding" bill actually would allow funding it.

[Zippyjuan]

Political coverage. "I voted to end military action against Libya". "I voted to support our troops sent over to Libya". The situation on the ground remains unchanged.

[Jake Ralston]

So I take it we just witnessed a Dog and Pony Show on Capital Hill?

Why wouldn't they just make one black and white bill that either enables or destroys our participation in Libya?

[flightlesskiwi]

Not quite, the vote to "strip funding" had exemptions for all the stuff Obama is already doing. So actually the "strip funding" bill actually would allow funding it.


Exactly. They voted symbolically first, rejecting the authorization, which essentially meant nothing and will do nothing. Then, they voted against DE-FUNDING the operations in Libya.

Basically, they are saying, "we don't agree with it, but here's all the money you need to kill as many people as you can."


My understanding is nothing changes. But the last 1 would have given Obama premission to do certain things like surveilance, search and rescue, and a couple of more things I can't recall. Search and rescue for whom? Do we send in a company of infantry to rescue some trapped rebels?

this is like one big mind f*&k.

[jmdrake]

Not quite, the vote to "strip funding" had exemptions for all the stuff Obama is already doing. So actually the "strip funding" bill actually would allow funding it.

My head hurts!

[Golding]

I agree with the decision by the House (how rare is that to say, nowadays?). They refused to strip the spending at the cost of indirectly authorizing Obama's actions. They should have a better-written bill to strip spending, and vote on that one.

[specsaregood]

My head hurts!

It is quite simple. The cretins in congress want to support the MIC by allowing Obama to keep spending millions of dollars on bombs; but didn't want to risk the political capital of allowing Obama to send in troops. So they wanted to proactively defund any potential ground troops but allow the continuation of funding the bombs.

edit: its quite simple if you try to think like a dirty sellout douche, that is.

[aravoth]

this is like one big mind f*&k.

Nah, it's the US government, this is par for the course.

[sailingaway]

Both failed.

Excellent.

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edit, ok now I'm confused. Is Obama getting funding to do what he is doing, or not?

[flightlesskiwi]

Nah, it's the US government, this is par for the course.

hahaha!! the course with the title: mind f&*k the US populace.

[specsaregood]

Excellent.
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edit, ok now I'm confused. Is Obama getting funding to do what he is doing, or not?

Oh, poor silly mundane. You think Obama cares what the house does? He is gonna keep doing whatever his masters tell him to do.

[sailingaway]

Yeah, but the people are, I do believe, on the House's side.

[flightlesskiwi]

Yeah, but the people are, I do believe, on the House's side.

as the rejection of the 2 bills stand, the people are being hoodwinked.

we are being led to believe that the House has taken a firm stance against the Libya war when, in fact, they have done nothing of the sort. imo, they've only managed to confuse the matter even more.

[White Bear Lake]

Ron Paul needs to quickly release a serious defunding bill that isn't a TRAP like the one today was. He should be able to get support for it. Reps West, Chaffetz, and Bachmann all came out and essentially said the same things Paul said - the second bill today had too many loopholes so they had to vote against it.

[flightlesskiwi]

Ron Paul needs to quickly release a serious defunding bill that isn't a TRAP like the one today was. He should be able to get support for it. Reps West, Chaffetz, and Bachmann all came out and essentially said the same things Paul said - the second bill today had too many loopholes so they had to vote against it.

apparently, this has already been attempted:


Yes, all but Dennis Kucinich's H.R. 59 have been trick manipulating bills that leave loopholes like the following; continue to bomb, assassinate Qaddafi and his cabinet members, no troops on Libyan soil, but leaves an opening for CIA and other "alpha agencies" to fund/attack Libya or hired mercenaries like Blackwater/XE corporation to go in and attack. That's why it's called a limit spending bill, which is very misleading... the CIA operations are classified, so they can use billions to fund war in Libya and never have to disclose the spending. It does very little to limit funds in the Libyan War, it gives them a one year extension to continue what has been going on for the past 3 months.

2 weeks ago Brad Sherman's bill was voted on, the day before the Kucinich and Boehner bills were voted, Sherman's bill revealed that DHS (Department of Homeland Security) is funding Libyan attacks/war. DHS? SO you see they find loopholes and secondary means to funnel WAR funds.