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RonPaulFanInGA
06-22-2011, 01:53 PM
http://debka.com/article/21051/


debkafile's military sources report that since 90 per cent of NATO's air strikes and operations for enforcing a no-fly zone come from bases and command centers in Italy, Rome's pullout badly jolts the entire war effort against the Libyan ruler Muammar Qaddafi.

France may decide to carry on its air strikes from the French aircraft carrier the Charles de Gaulle and Britain from its air bases in Cyprus. But the operation will be seriously hampered and its prospects of victory against the Qaddafi regime undermined. The only chance of success would depend on US President Barack Obama overruling the Italian decision and restoring the United States to full participation in the coalition's military assault by operations similar to its Tomahawk missile and air bombardment in the first two weeks of the campaign.

However, the White House, already facing overwhelming congressional opposition to any US military involvement in the Libya, would never get its expansion past this wall of resistance.

A Son of Liberty
06-22-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't know what their motivation is, but God bless them for it!

HOLLYWOOD
06-22-2011, 02:57 PM
Italy must of seen John McCain's and John Kerry's "Assassinate The Leader and His Family Members of a Sovereign Nation Act"

The game is up... there's a new world order being pushed by Washington DC, it's called "Allies of Evil". Italy's people don't want to be a part of this opression. I'd like to see Italy throw the US military out of their country, heck, almost 70% of population wants the U.S. military out of there country, but probably Daddy warbucks is paying off the Italian government off.

Maybe another "Economic Confessions of a Hitman" forced Italy's hand earlier this year. Or maybe the people's pitchforks and torches came out against the constant lies of NATO and the news on killing of innocent civilians/children. Remember, US corporate MSMedia censors this kind of news across the America/UK world what government desires.

I Knew something was up when Germany didn't want any part of the US led nonsense charade.

http://www.acus.org/natosource/italys-treaty-libya-may-impede-cooperation-nato-and-eu


http://www.acus.org/sites/all/themes/tac/images/natosource_header.jpg

Italy's treaty with Libya may impede cooperation with NATO and EU (http://www.acus.org/natosource/italys-treaty-libya-may-impede-cooperation-nato-and-eu)

Jorge Benitez (http://www.acus.org/users/jorge-benitez) | February 25, 2011 http://www.acus.org/files/images/getty%202%2025%2011%20Gaddhafi%20Berlusconi.previe w.jpg (http://www.acus.org/content/libyan-leader-muammar-gaddafi-italian-prime-minister-silvio-berlusconi-rome-august-30-2010)
From Christopher Emsden, the Wall Street Journal (http://blogs.wsj.com/source/2011/02/25/italys-unusual-friendship-treaty-with-libya/): As is well known, Italy and Libya signed a Treaty on Friendship in Benghazi in the summer of 2008, and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi rolled out the red carpet for [Col. Moammar] Gadhafi’s visit to Rome last year, even allowing the Libyan leader to openly proselytize a selected set of attractive young Italian hostesses. ...
But the Treaty has some articles that lawmakers may not have read closely enough. It explicitly forbids Italy from using any military force or trying “directly or indirectly” to interfere with the Libyan government and, importantly, it forbids Italy from, “allowing the use of its territory in any hostile act against Libya.”
So a bilateral treaty prevents Italy from participating in an EU or NATO-backed mission involving Libya.
NATO is mulling (http://www.acus.org/natosource/secgen-calls-emergency-nato-meeting-libya) possible participation in the enforcement of a no-fly zone over Libya, but Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen stressed Friday that a United Nations mandate (http://www.acus.org/natosource/nato-secgen-libya-nato-such-has-no-plans-intervene) would be needed. ...
Natalino Ronzitti, a scholar at Rome’s Institute of International Affairs, suggests that more unusual boilerplate in the Treaty may provide Italy with legal wiggle-room. The Treaty is not a non-aggression pact because it establishes that Libya not act outside of “international legality,” he notes.
That phrase is “unusual” for diplomatic documents, but is repeated in the last provision of the Treaty, Ronzitti notes. (photo: Getty (http://www.daylife.com/photo/05dV8Mxeib3xO))

Chester Copperpot
06-22-2011, 03:04 PM
Italy has now joined the Axis of Evil.

HOLLYWOOD
06-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Italy has now joined the Axis of Evil.Quick, breakout the other marionette to defends the U.S.... George Dubya Bush

Chester Copperpot
06-22-2011, 03:12 PM
Quick, breakout the other marionette to defends U.S.... George Dubya Bush

Theyre just going to have to go full all out propaganda now...

Lex Luthor has taken over Italy in a Coup and now joined the Legion of Doom

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/5/5c/Hall_of_Doom.jpg

flightlesskiwi
06-22-2011, 04:42 PM
Can't wait to hear what the warhawks have to say about this. Especially senator grahamcrackers.

Chester Copperpot
06-22-2011, 04:42 PM
Can't wait to hear what the warhawks have to say about this. Especially senator grahamcrackers.

lol

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-22-2011, 07:46 PM
Italy has now joined the Axis of Evil.

*rejoined :D

Michael Landon
06-22-2011, 08:56 PM
*rejoined :D

And it looks like Germany isn't far behind either.

- ML

nbhadja
06-22-2011, 09:03 PM
Amazing news. Hope this kills their chances for war on Libya and then Gaddafi goes through with his gold standard plan and fucks up the central bankers!

gerryb
06-22-2011, 10:37 PM
Is this a legitimate news source? I can't find confirmation on google news -- and the article references a date in the future..

puppetmaster
06-22-2011, 10:47 PM
yea Italy......a big FU you to obama...now if we could just do the same in the us....

eproxy100
06-22-2011, 10:54 PM
Is this a legitimate news source? I can't find confirmation on google news -- and the article references a date in the future..

Yeah, debka is a questionable source. But if you search on google news you will see that it's true.

gerryb
06-22-2011, 11:03 PM
Yeah, debka is a questionable source. But if you search on google news you will see that it's true.

All I'm finding is that a foreign minster is calling for the suspension -- not anything from Berlusconi etc.

Echoes
06-22-2011, 11:12 PM
Today, i am italian !

HOLLYWOOD
06-23-2011, 09:38 AM
There's more to it... Appears France wants Qaddafi and company, dead ASAP: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/06/201162210488135496.html

The GEM found: Egypt. the launching point for taking on Libya Sweet Crude and Nat Gas
The Egyptian diplomat, who played a central role in securing Arab support for NATO air strikesNotes:

Italy's foreign minister and the outgoing head of the Arab League have each called for a halt to hostilities in the war-torn North African country. Franco Frattini told members of parliament on Wednesday that the suspension of military operations in Libya was "essential" for immediate humanitarian aid, while Amr Moussa, the Arab League chief, called for a political solution to the crisis.

NATO will continue this mission because if we stop, countless more civilians could lose their lives, Rasmussen said. France expressed a different view, saying the military operations should be "intensified".
Gaddafi vows to resist NATO strikes
Libyan leader brands NATO "murderers" after civilian casualties lead Italy and the Arab League to press for ceasefire.

Last Modified: 22 Jun 2011 15:27
http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/6/20/20116204333339734_20.jpg
NATO acknowledged on Sunday that an air strike in Tripoli had killed several civilians [Reuters]

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has accused NATO of murder and said his regime has its "back to the wall", three days after a NATO air strike on a house in Tripoli killed civilians.
"We will resist and the battle will continue to the beyond, until you're wiped out. But we will not be finished," Gaddafi said in an audio tape broadcast on state television on Wednesday night.
"You said, 'we hit our targets with precision', you murderers ... One day we will respond to you likewise and your homes will be legitimate targets."
Gaddafi, who referred to the June 19 strike specifically, called the NATO campaign a "crusade" against a Muslim country.
"We will stay, we will resist and we will not give in. Strike with your missiles, two, three, 10 or 100 years," he said.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said there was no doubt that Gaddafi's men had "their backs against the wall."

(http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya) Clinton said Libya's opposition was making very clear progress on the ground in Libya.
Civilian deaths have raised serious misgivings about the UN-authorized NATO intervention in Libya among the most ardent supporters of the ongoing air campaign.

Italy's foreign minister and the outgoing head of the Arab League have each called for a halt to hostilities in the war-torn North African country.
Franco Frattini told members of parliament on Wednesday that the suspension of military operations in Libya was "essential" for immediate humanitarian aid, while Amr Moussa, the Arab League chief, called for a political solution to the crisis.
France expressed a different view, saying the military operations should be "intensified".
"Any pause in operations would risk allowing him to play for time and to reorganize. In the end, it would be the civilian population that would suffer from the smallest sign of weakness on our behalf," Bernard Valero, a French foreign ministry spokesman, said.

'Strikes to continue' <===:rolleyes:

On Wednesday night, NATO warplanes were believed to be bombing a government ammunition depot near the city of Zintan, according to Al Jazeera's James Bays, reporting from a vantage point dozens of kilometers from the front line.
Explosions could be heard every 30 to 40 seconds, he said.
"Everyone talks about stalemate in Libya, but actually quietly there's been some very steady progress here in the Nafousa Mountains in the western part of Libya," he said.
"Here, the opposition has very slowly pressed forward, they've taken villages, they've taken towns ... it appears that NATO realizes that."

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/imagecache/318/480/mritems/Images/2011/6/10/20116105811774580_20.jpg

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the NATO chief, said on Wednesday that the alliance would continue its operations in Libya.

"NATO will continue this mission because if we stop, countless more civilians could lose their lives," Rasmussen said in a video statement on the NATO website.
Rasmussen also addressed charges that NATO caused civilian deaths in recent air raids.
"Since the start of this mission we have conducted over 5,000 strikes sorties, and as our record shows we have taken utmost care to minimize the risk of civilian casualties and we continue to do that every day and every hour," he said.

"I deeply regret any loss of life in this conflict."
Moussa's 'misgivings'

In an interview (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/21/arab-league-chief-libya-air-strikes?INTCMP=SRCH) to Britain's Guardian newspaper published on Tuesday, Moussa, the outgoing head of the Arab League, said the time was ripe for a political solution in Libyan.

The Egyptian diplomat, who played a central role in securing Arab support for NATO air strikes, also voiced reservations about the bombing campaign after seeing civilian casualties.
"When I see children being killed, I must have misgivings. That's why I warned about the risk of civilian casualties," Moussa said.
Moussa said the military campaign would not produce a breakthrough. "You can't have a decisive ending. Now is the time to do whatever we can to reach a political solution," he said.
"That has to start with a genuine ceasefire under international supervision. Until the ceasefire, Gaddafi would remain in office ... Then there would be a move to a transitional period … to reach an understanding about the future of Libya."
Asked whether that meant a halt to the NATO air raids, he said: "A ceasefire is a ceasefire."
Moussa's sentiment was shared by the Italian foreign minister, who called for urgent humanitarian aid to be delivered to trapped residents in cities like Tripoli and Misurata.
He said the people in those areas faced a "dramatic" humanitarian situation and added that a suspension of hostilities would also avoid "consolidating a division of Libya" between east and west.

He said he hoped the European Council in Brussels on Thursday would highlight an end to the fighting in Libya as "a practical solution".
Frattini warned earlier this week that NATO's accidental killing of civilians in an air strike was endangering the alliance's credibility in the eyes of the world.
"With regard to NATO, it is fair to ask for increasingly detailed information on results as well as precise guidelines on the dramatic errors involving civilians," he said.
"This is clearly not part of NATO's mission."
Libya is a former Italian colony and Silvio Berlusconi's government had enjoyed close ties (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/02/2011221163030575441.html) with the government of Gaddafi.
Italy was initially cautious in its reaction to the crackdown by the Libyan leader but has since played a key role in the NATO-led military operation by offering the use of its air bases to conduct air raids.
NATO launched its air campaign in Libya to protect civilians from a brutal crackdown launched by Gaddafi's regime in response to an uprising against his four-decades long rule.

galantarie
06-23-2011, 10:44 AM
Frattini finally woke-up!--Either that or Italy was afraid of taking in the 5 million refugees remaining from the surviving population not murdered by NATO !