Nuclear: $0.08 and Coal: $0.06

[unitedusstand]

Cost per kilowatt hour of electricity. Source MIT:

Nuclear: $0.08

Coal: $0.06

Gas: $0.07

Projected $/megawatt hour of electricity in 2016

Conventional natural Gas: $75

Conventional Coal: $105

Wind: $102

Nuclear $125

Clean coal: $145

Solar PV: $210

Myth 1: Nuclear power is a cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

Fact 1: Nuclear energy is a very costly business.

Myth 2: The main issue surrounding Nuclear power is safety.

Fact 2: The cost is the main issue.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD40J45zjIM

[Dr.3D]

Well don't worry, emperor Obama is making it harder and harder to run a coal fired power plant in the United States and thus China is building hundreds of them to offset the difference. Now United States coal is being exported to run Chinese power plants while here in the U.S. we will be paying at least twice the price we used to pay per kilowatt hour.

Of course the excuse being used to shut down U.S. coal fired power plants is that coal is not environmentally friendly but apparently it is environmentally friendly in China.

[oyarde]

Coal is the most economically feasible where I live.

[jonhowe]

Until we run out of coal...

Or what we do have becomes much harder to get to...

Not in the near future, but it WILL happen eventually. Why not find/perfect the more sustainable technologies before it becomes an issue?


Just like I pay $.50 more for cage-free eggs, I'd be more than happy to pay a little more for nuclear-produced energy. Sadly, it's not currently an option to me.

[oyarde]

Until we run out of coal...

Or what we do have becomes much harder to get to...

Not in the near future, but it WILL happen eventually. Why not find/perfect the more sustainable technologies before it becomes an issue?


Just like I pay $.50 more for cage-free eggs, I'd be more than happy to pay a little more for nuclear-produced energy. Sadly, it's not currently an option to me.

Yeah , I can only buy my electric from one source. I can buy my own chickens though...

[Stary Hickory]

The wind "estimate" is quite funny. Wind is not efficient and not viable, and I don't see it being so by 2016 either.

[bwlibertyman]

I have no problem with people starting nuclear plants. Don't make me pay for it with subsidies or raised taxes. I guarantee noone will. There are way too many hoops to jump through and without the subsidies it is very very very unfeasable. It's not profitable without the subsidies. Nuclear is a fail.

[Seraphim]

Properly implemented wind and solar will help free human residences from the government/corporate powers that feed you the energy.

NO central grid is viable on wind or solar. Individual buildings and residential houses? You bet.

Wind and solar power are the individuals best friend. They are the enemy of the centrally condensed powers that be.


The wind "estimate" is quite funny. Wind is not efficient and not viable, and I don't see it being so by 2016 either.

[jonhowe]

Yeah , I can only buy my electric from one source. I can buy my own chickens though...

I'm not sure if I'm "allowed" to own chickens in Brooklyn. I'll have to look into that.



The wind "estimate" is quite funny. Wind is not efficient and not viable, and I don't see it being so by 2016 either.

Wind is viable for individuals and individual facilities, but not for the grid at large, I agree. I applaud companies that use it, though. Several of my favorite breweries, for example, rely exclusively or mostly on Wind and Solar power (Brooklyn, Stone, New Belgium). Good for those who wish to invest in it.

[oyarde]

I'm not sure if I'm "allowed" to own chickens in Brooklyn. I'll have to look into that.




Wind is viable for individuals and individual facilities, but not for the grid at large, I agree. I applaud companies that use it, though. Several of my favorite breweries, for example, rely exclusively or mostly on Wind and Solar power (Brooklyn, Stone, New Belgium). Good for those who wish to invest in it.

Yeah probably not . I am in a rural area though.

[Kludge]

What incentive do companies have to develop clean & renewable energy production facilities when they can't produce at comparable prices without decades and many hundreds of millions of dollars of research?

Government could fund this type of research.... or we could take pollution seriously and stop subsidizing unclean production by effectively giving them legal immunity to the health and environmental hazards we know they contribute to.

[pcosmar]

So why is this Troll thread still on the front page?
The others were moved to HT and locked.

[pcosmar]

nother question

Obvious troll is obvious. And is banned yet again. (How many times now?)

Why do people respond and bump these threads like they are a serious discussion?

[specsaregood]

So why is this Troll thread still on the front page?
The others were moved to HT and locked.

^shill for the nuclear power corporatocracy.

[pcosmar]

^shill for the nuclear power corporatocracy.

No, I was shilling for Quilting Porn. but that got locked.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?299903-United-States-of-Pornography&p=3356087&viewfull=1#post3356087

[specsaregood]

No, I was shilling for Quilting Porn. but that got locked.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?299903-United-States-of-Pornography&p=3356087&viewfull=1#post3356087

So you are bumping this troll thread because you find it so interesting?

[pcosmar]

So you are bumping this troll thread because you find it so interesting?

Nope, I was asking a pertinent question..
And am bumping now to make it somehow entertaining since it is still here
Why are you?

[Kludge]

Why are you?

That's really quite a deep question.

[specsaregood]

Why are you?
Exactly.

[kahless]

It never ceases to amaze me that we have people in these forums that are so willing to trade our freedom for the perpetual subservience that nuclear power requires.

Don't these people read the daily shit storm that comes out the nuclear power industry.

Radioactive Tritium Has Leaked From Three-Quarters Of U.S. Nuclear Plants: AP Investigation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/21/radioactive-tritium-leaks-us-nuclear-plants_n_881090.html

Nearly 50 U.S. Nuclear Power Plants Are Leaking Radioactive Tritium
http://gizmodo.com/5814212/nearly-50-us-nuclear-power-plants-are-leaking-tritium

[oyarde]

nother question

Obvious troll is obvious. And is banned yet again. (How many times now?)

Why do people respond and bump these threads like they are a serious discussion?

Cannot help myself , I am curious about where this guy is from , I guess , China or Pakistan. Based soley on the fact that he appears to not care much for India.

[Kelly.]

Cost per kilowatt hour of electricity. Source MIT:

Nuclear: $0.08

Coal: $0.06

Gas: $0.07

Projected $/megawatt hour of electricity in 2016

Conventional natural Gas: $75

Conventional Coal: $105

Wind: $102

Nuclear $125

Clean coal: $145

Solar PV: $210

Myth 1: Nuclear power is a cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

Fact 1: Nuclear energy is a very costly business.

Myth 2: The main issue surrounding Nuclear power is safety.

Fact 2: The cost is the main issue.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD40J45zjIM


i wonder what the prices are without government subsides...

[amy31416]

Cannot help myself , I am curious about where this guy is from , I guess , China or Pakistan. Based soley on the fact that he appears to not care much for India.

Oh yeah! I'd guess Pakistan, if only because a friend of mine who was (probably still is) a "Hindu" Indian, was always snubbed by this Pakistani woman we worked with. He couldn't believe that she'd let "old world" prejudices effect how she treated him, but I saw it with my own eyes. I didn't realize that the Chinese didn't like Indians either.