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Matthew Zak
06-20-2011, 09:52 PM
Chris No one is disagreeing with you about changing the current status of government but I dont want to have some religious nut job to do it. Especially if he is going to go overboard and fuck up our childrens future in the process. Reform yes. Ron Paul no.
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Matthew Ron Paul isn't a religious nut, man. He's religious, but many people are, especially 75 year olds. He isn't going to push his religion on anyone at all.
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Chris He is against separation of of church and state. The last thing I want is a religious agenda in my politics. How is that not pushing your religion on people?
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Matthew
Well he believes that our liberties come from "our creator", not the government. Whether you believe in god, or nature, or whatever, where do you want your liberties to come from? If the government grants them to you they can take them away.... Ron Paul wouldn't make any kind of federal legislation pushing anything religious on you -- in fact, he wants to get the government out of marriage and leave that up to churches. What he is trying to do is force the government to recognize that people have "god-given liberties that can not be taken away".See More
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Matthew I've been an atheist since I was 11 years old, and I've seen religious nut cases... Ron Paul is not a religious nut case at all.
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Chris Still not the change we need. The best piece of crap is still a piece of crap. Sorry but I like some of his ideas but he is to out there to ever get my vote
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Matthew What kind of change do you think we need?
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Chris end to the war, end to patriot act, less government monitoring, further health care reform, stream lining government programs, legalizing drugs and stop imprisoning our people, better programs to help people. Welfare reform.... God I could go on forever with the programs that need changing but you get the idea
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Matthew
Sounds to me like Ron Paul is your man!

On war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuCgC_Ntut0

Patriot Act: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIqtwwUcBk
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Government monitoring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNfXR6iX4TI

Drugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7Zp41fByE

Prisoners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xaka4fsECgs

etc...

VBRonPaulFan
06-20-2011, 09:59 PM
hahahaha that guy is so clueless. with 10 minutes of research he'd probably do a total 180 on what he thinks.

bkreigh
06-20-2011, 10:02 PM
Id like to see his response. Tell him to stop listening to the media and to do his own thinking.

thehungarian
06-20-2011, 10:03 PM
Does this cat watch Fox News?

BucksforPaul
06-20-2011, 11:00 PM
You did great! +rep

flightlesskiwi
06-20-2011, 11:02 PM
Chris end to the war, end to patriot act, less government monitoring, further health care reform, stream lining government programs, legalizing drugs and stop imprisoning our people, better programs to help people. Welfare reform.... God I could go on forever with the programs that need changing but you get the idea

sounds like he's listing chapters from Ron's latest book!! haha!

good job!

KCIndy
06-20-2011, 11:03 PM
Chris end to the war, end to patriot act, less government monitoring, further health care reform, stream lining government programs, legalizing drugs and stop imprisoning our people, better programs to help people. Welfare reform.... God I could go on forever with the programs that need changing but you get the idea

LOL!

Good grief, that's **exactly** Ron Paul!!! <<bangs head against wall>> why can't people see this????

But yeah, a definite +rep for your attempts to enlighten the poor chap.

Matthew Zak
06-20-2011, 11:07 PM
Yeah he has not said a thing since... I'm thinking he is in shock right now. Probably needs to sleep on it.

Luciconsort
06-20-2011, 11:16 PM
this guys gonna vote for the good Dr. in 2012... just a little patience and rational discourse saves the day again... imagine that.

cjm
06-21-2011, 12:36 AM
Matthew What kind of change do you think we need?

This is good here. My personal experience is that the Socratic method tends to work well on those that have a propaganda-induced, negative impression of Dr. Paul. Continue to show an interest in his needs/views, ask these sorts of questions, and let him arrive at the conclusion that Dr. Paul is the right candidate for him on his own.

When you ask the questions, you are not on the attack and you are a supportive friend or acquaintance. Since he is answering, he has to justify his positions and you have to justify nothing (you're merely asking questions). Just choose your questions wisely and if he's already predisposed to liberty, he can't help but start looking at Ron Paul seriously.

You want to be supportive, not combative. Good luck with this interaction and future ones as well.

BamaAla
06-21-2011, 12:39 AM
end to the war, end to patriot act, less government monitoring, further health care reform, stream lining government programs, legalizing drugs and stop imprisoning our people, better programs to help people. Welfare reform.... God I could go on forever with the programs that need changing but you get the idea
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Sounds to me like Ron Paul is your man!

On war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuCgC_Ntut0

Patriot Act: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIqtwwUcBk
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Government monitoring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNfXR6iX4TI

Drugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7Zp41fByE

Prisoners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xaka4fsECgs

etc...

I can't wait to see the response! Is this guy a good friend?

COpatriot
06-21-2011, 12:46 AM
Holy fuck that's incredible. I would rep you really hard if I wasn't on my blackberry.

But this is how it's always gonna be folks. We literally have to deprogram people one-by-one.

speciallyblend
06-21-2011, 12:49 AM
Holy fuck that's incredible. I would rep you really hard if I wasn't on my blackberry.

But this is how it's always gonna be folks. We literally have to deprogram people one-by-one.

we could learn from rand paul and kidnap them and force the aquabuddha on them until they see the light, jj:)

MJU1983
06-21-2011, 02:26 AM
There is no way "Chris" can come back from that list of concerns, which are all addressed by Dr Paul, and say he still isn't voting for him. If he does, well...god help us.