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Anti Federalist
06-20-2011, 11:35 AM
The money quote:


“But these are the people that are supposed to be protecting us — they’re not supposed to be terrifying us,” she said. “The amount of force that was used was outrageous.”




Answers remain elusive in Davis ICE raid

http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/answers-remain-elusive-in-davis-ice-raid/

A Davis woman whose Oak Avenue rental home was raided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents — an incident she said terrified the residents — continues to pursue answers regarding the agency’s actions that spring morning.

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Linda Clark looks at damage caused to a door at her rental property in Davis, which was raided last month by officers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Sue Cockrell/Enterprise photo

In an op-ed piece that was published in The Enterprise last month, Linda Clark wrote that agents burst into the home shortly after 6 a.m. April 26 seeking evidence related to a child pornography website allegedly viewed at the house more than a year ago — long before the current residents, including Clark’s grandson and several visiting UC Davis scholars, lived there.

“I don’t have a quibble with them searching, or what they’re searching for,” Clark said last week at her home, which sits next door to the rental property.

“But these are the people that are supposed to be protecting us — they’re not supposed to be terrifying us,” she said. “The amount of force that was used was outrageous.”

Clark has since filed a formal complaint with ICE, a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

ICE’s public affairs office released a statement this week through Rep. Mike Thompson’s office confirming that its agents served a federal search warrant “in conjunction with an ongoing criminal investigation involving child pornography.”

“Because that investigation is continuing, we are not at liberty to disclose further details about the case at this time. However, ICE is aware of allegations made by the property owner regarding agents’ actions during that enforcement operation,” the statement says.

“ICE takes all allegations of officer misconduct seriously. The circumstances surrounding this enforcement action are currently under review by ICE’s Office of Professional Responsibility.”

Clark’s grandson, 19-year-old Tylor Murray-Clark, said anywhere from eight to a dozen ICE agents cuffed, searched and interrogated the residents, some of whom had a limited grasp of English, for several hours.

“The whole situation was ridiculously out of proportion,” Murray-Clark said. The Sacramento City College student said the agents verbally informed him of the search warrant as they cuffed him, but didn’t show him the document until the residents had been questioned.

A female Vietnamese scholar who was several months pregnant suffered a miscarriage three days later, according to Clark, and the roommates were left shaken and nervous.

In addition to the use of force, Clark questions the federal agency’s execution of the warrant — which was valid until May 9 — just a day after it was signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Edmund F. Brennan.

“They had ample time to research who was (living) in the house,” Clark said.

The incident led to a meeting last month among UCD and ICE officials, as well as a representative of the Vietnamese Consulate.

“ICE agreed to coordinate with UC Davis police about future ICE actions in the city of Davis in order to avoid disturbing individuals who are not the focus of their investigation,” UCD spokesman Andy Fell said.

The Yolo County chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union also may weigh in.

Natalie Wormeli, the chapter’s president, said the ACLU hopes to meet with representatives of ICE or Homeland Security “and let them know of the community’s concerns.”

“We want to know what their procedures are and if they were properly followed,” Wormeli said. “Certainly, the Fourth Amendment issues concern us.”

Davis city officials, meanwhile, say there is little they can do in response to the incident.

“The reports of what occurred are very disturbing and disappointing. That any visitor to our community or citizen would be treated in this way is patently unnecessary,” Mayor Joe Krovoza said. “This is, however, a matter of federal law enforcement’s action. Neither the city or the state has a role here.”

However, Krovoza said the city has offered the services of its ombudsman, Bob Aaronson, to assist Clark or her tenants “to help them understand the appropriate ways that a complaint against the agents or ICE might be pursued. I don’t see more of a role for the city at this time, but we will continue to monitor the issue.”

Davis Police Chief Landy Black agreed that the city is unlikely to get involved in the matter. He said while ICE notified his agency several days in advance of their plans to search the Oak Avenue home, local police were not asked to assist.

“We were aware of it, as is the normal protocol,” Black said. “The federal government has ultimate authority — it supersedes and exceeds ours.”

Clark, meanwhile, continues to wait for answers. She said she’s prepared to keep fighting until she gets them.

“If people don’t complain, nothing happens,” she said. “So I’m screaming at whoever I can get to listen.”

Krugerrand
06-20-2011, 11:44 AM
Where she's gone wrong:

A Davis woman whose Oak Avenue rental home was raided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents — an incident she said terrified the residents — continues to pursue answers regarding the agency’s actions that spring morning.

Mundanes are not entitled to answers.

Davis needs a new Police Chief.

Davis Police Chief Landy Black agreed that the city is unlikely to get involved in the matter. He said while ICE notified his agency several days in advance of their plans to search the Oak Avenue home, local police were not asked to assist.

“We were aware of it, as is the normal protocol,” Black said. “The federal government has ultimate authority — it supersedes and exceeds ours.”

HOLLYWOOD
06-20-2011, 11:52 AM
Damn I'm going to get into the business of making external battering-ram proof doors for the American home.

"YES, shop at Liberty Doors... where tyranny is stopped... until you can run for cover, lock and load!"

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With every full prophylactic home package purchase, receive 100 yards of razor wire...FREE! :)

flightlesskiwi
06-20-2011, 11:53 AM
“I don’t have a quibble with them searching, or what they’re searching for,” Clark said last week at her home, which sits next door to the rental property.

“But these are the people that are supposed to be protecting us — they’re not supposed to be terrifying us,” she said. “The amount of force that was used was outrageous.”

that right there's funny, if you ask me. "i don't have nothin' to hide, so come on in, just please don't bust the door down."

now, tie this to the story of the falsely accused man who got his arm ripped open by a police dog. guess the DHS doesn't have to perform any sort of reasonable detective work, either.

Krugerrand
06-20-2011, 11:56 AM
Damn I'm going to get into the business of making external battering-ram proof doors for the American home.

"YES, shop at Liberty Doors... where tyranny is stopped... until you can run for cover, lock and load!"

Coming Soon.... Liberty windows, garage doors, safe rooms, and bunkers.

With every full prophylactic home package purchase, receive 100 yards of razor wire...FREE! :)

Sadly, if you're most interested in your own profits, you'll do better selling the battering rams.

Brian4Liberty
06-20-2011, 12:10 PM
People need to be fired.

And at the top of the list of government budget to cut are the SWAT teams that every agency seems to have. Talk about duplication of "services". And what the hell does this have to do with Immigration? Is the Department of Education SWAT team out raiding houses looking for illegal immigrants in some sort of random swapping of duties in the Federal government? Next thing you know the IRS SWAT team will be kicking in doors and killing people in drug raids. Maybe ATF can conduct IRS audits too.

Romulus
06-20-2011, 12:16 PM
What bothers me... ICE agents who can barely speak English.... say what???!

Anti Federalist
06-20-2011, 12:23 PM
What bothers me... ICE agents who can barely speak English.... say what???!

I think the writer meant the victims of the raid had limited grasp of English:



Clark’s grandson, 19-year-old Tylor Murray-Clark, said anywhere from eight to a dozen ICE agents cuffed, searched and interrogated the residents, some of whom had a limited grasp of English, for several hours.

Romulus
06-20-2011, 12:37 PM
Yes you're right... I skimmed too fast on that one..

AGRP
06-20-2011, 12:44 PM
When will ICE break down the doors of the Pentagon?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPIvCwYZrdw

Krugerrand
06-20-2011, 12:53 PM
When will ICE break down the doors of the Pentagon?


Perhaps you missed this when I quoted it. I'll post it so you can re-read until you obey.

Davis Police Chief Landy Black agreed that the city is unlikely to get involved in the matter. He said while ICE notified his agency several days in advance of their plans to search the Oak Avenue home, local police were not asked to assist.

“We were aware of it, as is the normal protocol,” Black said. “The federal government has ultimate authority — it supersedes and exceeds ours.”

Pericles
06-20-2011, 01:08 PM
“But these are the people that are supposed to be protecting us — they’re not supposed to be terrifying us,” she said. “The amount of force that was used was outrageous.”

"It is better for a Prince to be feared than to be loved." Niccolo Machiavelli

She forgot the first lesson of politics.

flightlesskiwi
06-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Perhaps you missed this when I quoted it. I'll post it so you can re-read until you obey.

“The federal government has ultimate authority — it supersedes and exceeds ours.”

can you imagine Sheriff Mack ever saying these words?? *shudder*

Anti Federalist
06-20-2011, 02:11 PM
can you imagine Sheriff Mack ever saying these words?? *shudder*

No.

It's as foreign an idea or thought as Ron Paul sending pictures of his johnson to young women.

Jake Ralston
06-20-2011, 02:24 PM
@Anti-Fed:

Where is your signature picture from? Is it real life or a movie? Is there a story behind it?

cjm
06-20-2011, 02:42 PM
...seeking evidence related to a child pornography website allegedly viewed at the house more than a year ago...

Knowing the feds, it was probably a UC Davis student looking at the album art for Houses of the Holy on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Houses-Holy-Led-Zeppelin/dp/B000002J0B).

Note this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread31067/pg1

Anti Federalist
06-20-2011, 03:19 PM
@Anti-Fed:

Where is your signature picture from? Is it real life or a movie? Is there a story behind it?

That's a good question that I've had asked many times.

It's real life AFAIK, but to tell the honest truth, I know very little about the photo.

The last time I looked into it closely, it was at an Eastern European soccer riot that the photo was taken, as near as I could figure out.

But even that may not be right, as the uniform of the cop wasn't right for the place it was supposedly taken in.

So bottom line is: I'm not sure.

Which is maybe as it should be.

To me it just indicates a classic pose of a citizen, any citizen, unprotected and determined, looking right into the eyes of a uniformed, protected, armored enforcer, who can't return the look.

Jake Ralston
06-20-2011, 04:43 PM
To me it just indicates a classic pose of a citizen, any citizen, unprotected and determined, looking right into the eyes of a uniformed, protected, armored enforcer, who can't return the look.

--The enforcer seems to have a look of insecurity. Perhaps even guilt. But he's just following orders. He's too afraid speak out against his powers.

--The mundane is standing on principle. He's defending everything that he loves. Unwavering, he will fight to the death to protect his family and liberty.

That's what I see in the picture.

flightlesskiwi
06-20-2011, 05:45 PM
To me it just indicates a classic pose of a citizen, any citizen, unprotected and determined, looking right into the eyes of a uniformed, protected, armored enforcer, who can't return the look.

sans psychopaths, i figure it would be nearly impossible to look someone in the eyes when you're whole life is based upon a lie.

Anti Federalist
06-20-2011, 07:32 PM
--The enforcer seems to have a look of insecurity. Perhaps even guilt. But he's just following orders. He's too afraid speak out against his powers.

--The mundane is standing on principle. He's defending everything that he loves. Unwavering, he will fight to the death to protect his family and liberty.

That's what I see in the picture.

I'd give you a rep if I wasn't out of ammo.

That's exactly what I see in it as well, and exactly the impression I want to transmit to people.

It may turn out that, in real life, none of that is correct, but regardless, it's still a powerful image.