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alaskaman
06-16-2011, 10:08 AM
Wal-Mart averages 140 million shoppers weekly to its stores in the United States so that comes to 600 million shoppers monthly.

I think you can start a new wal-Mart with $40 Billion. So you can start 225 new Wal-Marts with $9 Trillion and create some 450 million new jobs since present Wal-Mart has 2 million employees. $180 Billion is the inflated market value of wal-Mart on stock exchanges.

600 million X 225 Wal-marts = 135000 million or 135000,000,000 shoppers in a month. Just add up the revenue from 225 wal-Marts.

Over 2.5 Million jobs have been lost since Obama took office. To put this into perspective, unemployment was only about 5% under George Bush. The latest unemployment rate is 9.1% but if you count those that gave up looking, it is much higher.

If George Bush, Clinton, or Reagan were president today we would probably be generating more than 500k jobs per month in the US, every month. But Obama has an anti-job agenda and last month only 54K jobs were created in the private sector in the US. Most of those were McDonald's jobs, to boot.

89% Say New Graduates Will Have Tough Time Finding a Job. yet Obama says he is happy with the recovery in the US?

Why did Obama give $9 Trillion bailouts to bankrupt companies instead of starting 225 new wal-Marts from $9 Trillion?

Obama and Obama administration should be impeached immediately.

I have just written, what $9 Trillion can do for world economy. You can start any company you want with $9 Trillion. Wal-Mart is just an example.

teacherone
06-16-2011, 10:11 AM
did Fire11 take english lessons or something?

acptulsa
06-16-2011, 10:14 AM
Few can afford to shop at the Wal Marts we have. No one here is going to support giving government money to Wal Mart. Wal Mart jobs are no better than McDonald's jobs so far as providing disposable income. Bush policies aren't different enough from Obama policies to even mention. And you don't get to impeach a president until he commits a crime.

Next?

oyarde
06-16-2011, 10:14 AM
did Fire11 take english lessons or something?

No way it is same , I actually could understand it :)

Ekrub
06-16-2011, 10:23 AM
Arguing over what type of socialism to use?

acptulsa
06-16-2011, 10:30 AM
Arguing over what type of socialism to use?

Nonsense. This is all public-private partnership talk.

Alias fascism.

Ekrub
06-16-2011, 10:37 AM
Okay, I thought he was saying the government should open up their own "brand" of wal marts.

dannno
06-16-2011, 10:39 AM
Clinton and Bush had the benefit of residing primarily over Keynesian bubbles, it has less to do with their policies as I imagine they all would have taken similar actions as Obama if they resided over the crashes. In fact Bush started the bailouts. Obama is just a convenient target.

...and this is why Ron Paul always talks about the Federal Reserve in the debates.

The End.

Elwar
06-16-2011, 10:46 AM
Wal-Mart averages 140 million shoppers weekly to its stores in the United States so that comes to 600 million shoppers monthly.

I think you can start a new wal-Mart with $40 Billion. So you can start 225 new Wal-Marts with $9 Trillion and create some 450 million new jobs since present Wal-Mart has 2 million employees. $180 Billion is the inflated market value of wal-Mart on stock exchanges.

600 million X 225 Wal-marts = 135000 million or 135000,000,000 shoppers in a month. Just add up the revenue from 225 wal-Marts.

Over 2.5 Million jobs have been lost since Obama took office. To put this into perspective, unemployment was only about 5% under George Bush. The latest unemployment rate is 9.1% but if you count those that gave up looking, it is much higher.

If George Bush, Clinton, or Reagan were president today we would probably be generating more than 500k jobs per month in the US, every month. But Obama has an anti-job agenda and last month only 54K jobs were created in the private sector in the US. Most of those were McDonald's jobs, to boot.

89% Say New Graduates Will Have Tough Time Finding a Job. yet Obama says he is happy with the recovery in the US?

Why did Obama give $9 Trillion bailouts to bankrupt companies instead of starting 225 new wal-Marts from $9 Trillion?

Obama and Obama administration should be impeached immediately.

I have just written, what $9 Trillion can do for world economy. You can start any company you want with $9 Trillion. Wal-Mart is just an example.

How are you going to get $9 trillion?

oyarde
06-16-2011, 10:47 AM
How are you going to get $9 trillion?

Yeah , really , I only need about three million :)

Tyr
06-16-2011, 11:30 AM
I think you can start a new wal-Mart with $40 Billion. So you can start 225 new Wal-Marts with $9 Trillion and create some 450 million new jobs since present Wal-Mart has 2 million employees. $180 Billion is the inflated market value of wal-Mart on stock exchanges.

600 million X 225 Wal-marts = 135000 million or 135000,000,000 shoppers in a month. Just add up the revenue from 225 wal-Marts.

Or how about the Government stops subsidizing the Walton Families monopoly in America, hmmm? How about the Waltons go fend for themselves without taxpayer money? Your little idea here has been done for over a decade now and is one of the causes of job shortages.


Over 2.5 Million jobs have been lost since Obama took office. To put this into perspective, unemployment was only about 5% under George Bush. The latest unemployment rate is 9.1% but if you count those that gave up looking, it is much higher.

I take it you forgot late 2000-2003, before he created a socialistic bubble and fake, temporary jobs.


If George Bush, Clinton, or Reagan were president today we would probably be generating more than 500k jobs per month in the US, every month.

Well we've already discussed Dubya, aside from incentivizing businesses in every possible way to outsource, and despite his encouraging of the jobs left to in source illegals, the supposed hobs he created were a temporary bubble. His socialistic policies created a bubble to get the economy to quickly pick up before reelections.

Clinton, ole Billy boy, the luckiest son of a bitch on the planet. Why do I say that? He was President at just the right time. The stars aligned in the 1990's. The stagflation of the 1970's and 1980's finally leveled itself out creating some jobs and the private sector had I.T. and computers starting to take off, creating jobs. It is too bad the Government didn't get out of the way and didn't make it beneficial for those new jobs to stay in America.

Reagan? Please, he created a depression nearly as bad as the current one and got his economic ideas from a movie he acted in. There isn't much to say on that, except The Gipper is the Godfather of the situation we're in.



Why did Obama give $9 Trillion bailouts to bankrupt companies instead of starting 225 new wal-Marts from $9 Trillion?

So let me get this straight, you would rather Obama would have instead of bailed out this company over here he instead bailed out this other company you like? A bailout is bad, no matter who the Government is handing money to and it is socialism no matter how you slice it.

Besides, wasn't the billions the Feds gave to the Waltons on top of the money corrupt local politicians handed them in the last decade enough? Again, let them try to survive and expand without the Government propping them up anymore.



I have just written, what $9 Trillion can do for world economy. You can start any company you want with $9 Trillion. Wal-Mart is just an example.

I'd rather the Government stay away from creating their own businesses on the taxpayers dime, thanks.

tangent4ronpaul
06-16-2011, 12:19 PM
Just a few points...

450 Million jobs... you do realize that the population of the country is 303 Million - right?

The entire word population is about 5 Billion - so you want 1 in 12 people working for Walmart?

600 Million shoppers a month? - so every man, woman and child shops at Walmart twice a month?

The US workforce is 180 Million and we supposedly have 10% unemployment, so 18 Million unemployment. - Looks like we need to start bussing in illegals if we are going to fill all those positions!

The gvmt is broke and caving under a 4.5 Trillion debt, so you want to tipple that? Better start printing money... wonder what that would do to prices / inflation...

-t

acptulsa
06-16-2011, 12:24 PM
You guys act like he should make sense. He's a Palin voter, for goodness sake.

Tyr
06-16-2011, 12:26 PM
You guys act like he should make sense. He's a Palin voter, for goodness sake.

Is he? I was under the impression he was a stockholder in Walmart after spamming this wacked out idea multiple times.

Zippyjuan
06-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Over 2.5 Million jobs have been lost since Obama took office. To put this into perspective, unemployment was only about 5% under George Bush. The latest unemployment rate is 9.1% but if you count those that gave up looking, it is much higher.

Actually, when Obama took office the unemployment rate was 8%- not five- to put things into perspective as you say. It did get as low as five percent under Bush but was up to eight by the time he left- an increase of 60%. The crisis occured on his watch. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000?data_tool=XGtable In 2008, Bush's last year in office, the US lost 2.5 million jobs. Losses continued but the rate of losses slowed under Obama. In 2010, the losses came to 529,000- a big number and more than would be desirable, but 20% of the number lost in Bush's final year.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-01-06/employers-in-2010-announced-fewest-u-s-job-cuts-in-13-years.html

Employers in 2010 Announced Fewest U.S. Job Cuts in 13 Years

January 06, 2011, 8:51 AM EST

By Courtney Schlisserman

Jan. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Employers in 2010 announced the fewest job cuts since 1997 as the U.S. economy recovered from the worst recession since the 1930s, a private survey showed.

There were 529,973 planned firings last year, down 59 percent from 2009 when job cuts reached a seven-year high, according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc. The Chicago-based outplacement firm said December firings dropped 29 percent from the same month a year earlier.



As for Walmart- they thrive on corporate welfare. They get cities to offer them free or below market lands and tax breaks with the promise of more jobs. They have people in their employment offices which help their employees sign up for welfare and food stamp programs. Most positions are part time and minimum wage. This would not be a good way to improve the economy. Dollars spent at WalMart are dollars not spent someplace else where people are more likely to be paid more (and pay more in taxes) and thus spend more money at other local businesses- supporting more jobs. Total tax revenues in an area tend to decline by two years after a new WalMart opens.

Tyr
06-16-2011, 02:22 PM
As for Walmart- they thrive on corporate welfare. They get cities to offer them free or below market lands and tax breaks with the promise of more jobs. They have people in their employment offices which help their employees sign up for welfare and food stamp programs. Most positions are part time and minimum wage. This would not be a good way to improve the economy. Dollars spent at WalMart are dollars not spent someplace else where people are more likely to be paid more (and pay more in taxes) and thus spend more money at other local businesses- supporting more jobs. Total tax revenues in an area tend to decline by two years after a new WalMart opens.


The Walmart dichtomy, Walmart gets Federal funds from their buddies in Congress, then they promise jobs to states for deals on X amount of Walmarts in that state. Once that is approved they hit up each city and many times walk off with massive tax breaks, free land to build on and a Gov't assisted leg up on the competition. Meanwhile the taxes on their competitors increase causing the cost of goods and services to increase resulting in that business, unable to compete with the business being paid to be there going under. As the saying goes, for every job Walmart "creates" that community loses three jobs and increases in cost of living.

flightlesskiwi
06-16-2011, 02:36 PM
Saw this in another post. Is this satire??

eduardo89
06-16-2011, 03:00 PM
I'm a little confused. The OP proposed creating 200+ more companies that are the same as Walmart? Wouldn't that just over-saturate the retail market, leading all of them to collapse?

alaskaman
06-16-2011, 05:13 PM
So let me get this straight, you would rather Obama would have instead of bailed out this company over here he instead bailed out this other company you like? A bailout is bad, no matter who the Government is handing money to and it is socialism no matter how you slice it.
If 50% of USA jobs would have been lost in 2008 due to financial crisis then 50% of USA jobs were safe. USA would not have shut down. There was no need bail-outs.

Financial crisis 2007 was God's gift to world people so that world high inflation was destroyed forever. Shut down of giant companies would have led to mass unemployment worldwide so less income means less consumption and less inflation. Excess and wasteful consumption leads to inflation.

All the inflated money and inflated assets would have be been back to ground level from financial crash. The world would have been cheaper place to live today. Less population means more resources and less inflation and more space and clean world.

Less world income means less cars and factories so less world pollution today and more Trees and animals.

Mass unemployment would have resulted in World War 3 which would have destroyed world prostitutes and pornography forever. Angry people would have killed world useless people so that useless people do not take away 'desperate food" from their families.

But Obama and world leaders messed up everything by donating $9 Trillion to $50 Trillion. Obama is working against God.

All of Obama's decisions result in negative for the USA economy and its citizens. God is angry with Obama.

Take back/Withdraw the multi-Trillions bailouts immediately.

The Bible do not lie, is the word of God. This world should give rise to the kingdom of Christ, the “cleaning” is painful, but Jesus will restore everything. Who want to go with Him? Repent and join to Christ that you will have living with the eternal God, righteous and loving, the Lord of all the law of life, of love and peace, the true Light.

Swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, -they break out; and blood toucheth blood.

For this shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowl of the heavens, yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away." (Hosea, 4:1-3)

Ash is rich with nutrients and helps in better growth of the forest. To provide ash to the forest, rotten and fallen woods and some good trees have to be burned. There cannot be ash without a fire and fire does not distinguish between anything and anybody.

acptulsa
06-16-2011, 05:22 PM
By God, it is! It is Charlie Chan!

Where you been, Fire11? Took you long enough to come up with another sock puppet. Did they ban you from the Sarah Palin forum or something?

Dude, sorry you're not making any more sense than before. We've got some great deals on tinfoil around here somewhere. That might cut down on the interference...


I'm a little confused. The OP proposed creating 200+ more companies that are the same as Walmart? Wouldn't that just over-saturate the retail market, leading all of them to collapse?

It's a simple matter of style. As in, making sense isn't Fire11's style. We could call it poetic license, I guess, if only he were the least bit poetic...

alaskaman
06-16-2011, 06:43 PM
600 Million shoppers a month? - so every man, woman and child shops at Walmart twice a month?
Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

Wal-Mart, which averages 140 million shoppers weekly to its stores in the United States, is considered a barometer of the health of the consumer and the economy. Wal-Mart's core shoppers are running out of money much faster than a year ago due to rising gasoline prices, and the retail giant is worried, CEO Mike Duke said Wednesday.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/27/news/companies/walmart_ceo_consumers_under_pressure/index.htm

Tyr
06-16-2011, 08:45 PM
If 50% of USA jobs would have been lost in 2008 due to financial crisis then 50% of USA jobs were safe. USA would not have shut down. There was no need bail-outs.

Financial crisis 2007 was God's gift to world people so that world high inflation was destroyed forever. Shut down of giant companies would have led to mass unemployment worldwide so less income means less consumption and less inflation. Excess and wasteful consumption leads to inflation.

All the inflated money and inflated assets would have be been back to ground level from financial crash. The world would have been cheaper place to live today. Less population means more resources and less inflation and more space and clean world.

Less world income means less cars and factories so less world pollution today and more Trees and animals.

Mass unemployment would have resulted in World War 3 which would have destroyed world prostitutes and pornography forever. Angry people would have killed world useless people so that useless people do not take away 'desperate food" from their families.

But Obama and world leaders messed up everything by donating $9 Trillion to $50 Trillion. Obama is working against God.

All of Obama's decisions result in negative for the USA economy and its citizens. God is angry with Obama.

Take back/Withdraw the multi-Trillions bailouts immediately.

The Bible do not lie, is the word of God. This world should give rise to the kingdom of Christ, the “cleaning” is painful, but Jesus will restore everything. Who want to go with Him? Repent and join to Christ that you will have living with the eternal God, righteous and loving, the Lord of all the law of life, of love and peace, the true Light.

Swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, -they break out; and blood toucheth blood.

For this shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowl of the heavens, yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away." (Hosea, 4:1-3)

Ash is rich with nutrients and helps in better growth of the forest. To provide ash to the forest, rotten and fallen woods and some good trees have to be burned. There cannot be ash without a fire and fire does not distinguish between anything and anybody.

None of the above has to do with what you quoted by me. You can keep the preaching to yourself, but I will answer some of the above anyways.



Shut down of giant companies would have led to mass unemployment worldwide so less income means less consumption and less inflation. Excess and wasteful consumption leads to inflation.

Mass unemployment worldwide? No, it would have meant temporary unemployment in the countries involved, followed by new business stepping into the failed corporations shoes and growing. Either way though, what you have stated above contradicts your pleas for a Wally World.


Mass unemployment would have resulted in World War 3 which would have destroyed world prostitutes and pornography forever. Angry people would have killed world useless people so that useless people do not take away 'desperate food" from their families.

You must be high. Well, i'll help you out. Return to the drawing board. You're off the rails. There wasn't a World War 3 awaiting, no mass unemployment, nor would have the oldest profession and her sister died. Unfortunately for some there are still people like me who enjoy the company of and movies featuring naked women with dirty thoughts on our minds. It isn't the oldest profession for nothing.

Btw, could you do me and everyone else a favor and learn to speak English? You are jumbling words together and making even less sense, not that your stream of randomness made much sense anyhow.