Two HUGE MSNBC stories to share

[crhoades]

Perhaps the two best articles that I've read recently. All on the heels of the Leno showing tonight. Time to email everyone!

Ron Paul's Iowa dreams becoming more real
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21516892/

The people powering the Paul phenomenon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21521415/

[kylejack]

"The Constitution mandates a policy of non-intervention."

This wasn't a direct quote of him, so I'm wondering if it was a mischaracterization of what he said. Anyway, I don't think its true.

[steph3n]

the quote would be correct if it said "the founders suggested" or "the founders advocated"

because that is true and he has said it numerous times :)

[maxmerkel]

2 fine pieces of journalism :)

they deserve nothing less than the pulitzer !

[margomaps]

Wow, those articles were excellent. Thank you very much sir.

I rated them both 5 out of 5. I encourage everyone else to do the same, because I believe the rating affects the placement and duration of the article.

[amakris]

Thank you. Great stories worthy of our traffic and a few ad clicks.

[goldenequity]

Thanks for these crhoades... Powerful stuff.

this 2nd article includes an incredible statement by a local Pastor
who seems to "repent" for getting sucked into the NeoCon trappings...
Dumped Huckabee after just listening to ONE single Ron Paul speech.
send out RP DVD's immediately to every Pastor could be one answer

The people powering the Paul phenomenon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21521415/

[kylejack]

And by the way, these are some pretty big names in these articles. Huge political names.

[moonbat]

Overall I thought the articles were good but I didn't like this quote in the first one:

“There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."

[kylejack]

Overall I thought the articles were good but I didn't like this quote in the first one:

“There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."
Its a common sentiment, though. Bill Maher also said this, among others.

[Alien11]

Overall I thought the articles were good but I didn't like this quote in the first one:

“There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."

I agree that was dirty jab in an otherwise nice comprehensive piece about the issues Ron advocates. I also like the fact that they put in transition period that Ron talks about to phase out Social Security but protecting those that rely on it.

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

Excellent!!!!!!!!!
Excellent!!!!!!!!!
Excellent!!!!!!!!!
Excellent!!!!!!!!!

[NinjaPirate]

Thanks for these articles. The negativity on these forums has been getting to me lately, and these reads really helped out my morale about the campaign!

[JS4Pat]

From the MSNBC Article

The only place where Paul got a less than friendly reception this past weekend in Iowa was the Iowa Republican Party’s Reagan Dinner Saturday night.
I am about ready to say SCREW the GOP Establishment. The amount of energy I have to expend on these thick headed neocon morons is just not worth it!

I have been traveling to my surrounding counties GOP REC Meetings and delivering a targeted positive conservative message about Ron Paul along with an explanation of how this movement is the key to growing their membership - and for the most part they sit on their hands or roll their eyes.

We will win DESPITE them - certainly not BECAUSE of them.

[crhoades]

Thanks for these articles. The negativity on these forums has been getting to me lately, and these reads really helped out my morale about the campaign!

I feel your pain...

[Dorfsmith]

Wow, those articles were excellent. Thank you very much sir.

I rated them both 5 out of 5. I encourage everyone else to do the same, because I believe the rating affects the placement and duration of the article.

Same here. Fantastic articles.

[tsopranos]

Overall I thought the articles were good but I didn't like this quote in the first one:

“There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."

I saw this too.

My response...He has ALWAYS been telling the truth, and he continually gets re-elected as a Congressman because of it. 10 terms in Congress is no small feat.

[mkrfctr]

Overall I thought the articles were good but I didn't like this quote in the first one:

“There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."

Doug Bishop, the treasurer of Jasper County in central Iowa and a staunch supporter of Democrat John Edwards for president, said, “There are a lot of people (in Iowa) looking at Ron Paul because he knows he’s not going to win, so he’s not scared to tell the truth."

Bishop added, "He’s throwing it right out there: get us out of Iraq, take care of America first, let’s take care of home before worrying about spending billions and billions of dollars overseas. And that message is resonating throughout the Midwest.”

It's a quote from a person interviewed, not the article writer, perfectly valid to put in an article as an opposing viewpoint or color commentary from a man on the street type thing.
Edit: looks like you realized it was a quote, but it's still valid, and come on the tone of both was incredibly even and accurate, those are two A to A+ articles right there.

[Ridiculous]

Can people please not use the term "New World Order" when interviewed about Paul? It just feeds the tinfoil hat perception. Don't even mention the word conspiracy. The press is looking for quotes with those types of words in them to use from supporters. They want to make it seem like we are all Alex Jones fans....


"For Ivers the enemies are “global socialism, the New World Order, empire building… The neo-cons, the elitists who are promoting global socialism” and who say, “We’re smarter and wiser than the masses.”
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He added, “This is not a conspiracy: the Bilderbergers meet, the G-8 meets” to plan an agenda of globalism. (The Bilberbergers is a secretive informal group of U.S. and European government officials and business executives who meet annually.)"

[kylejack]

Can people please not use the term "New World Order" when interviewed about Paul? It just feeds the tinfoil hat perception. Don't even mention the word conspiracy. The press is looking for quotes with those types of words in them to use from supporters. They want to make it seem like we are all Alex Jones fans....
Take it up with George Senior.

[WillInMiami]

I think that some of you that are praising those articles are missing a very important, subtle attack on Ron Paul.

One of the articles played up the fact that democrats like Ron Paul. The writer knows that one of the easiest ways to make a republican turn up his/her nose is to attach the "liberal" lable to a candidate. The writer also knows that Ron Paul is trying to win the Republican nomination. It's as simple as 2+2.

The same article also sublty highlighted the fact that Ron Paul wants to cut off support for Israel. Hmmm, could it be that he is trying to give more credence to the "anti-semite" smear that's starting to build steam?

[maxmerkel]

I think that some of you that are praising those articles are missing a very important, subtle attack on Ron Paul.

One of the articles played up the fact that democrats like Ron Paul. The writer knows that one of the easiest ways to make a republican turn up his/her nose is to attach the "liberal" lable to a candidate. The writer also knows that Ron Paul is trying to win the Republican nomination. It's as simple as 2+2.

The same article also sublty highlighted the fact that Ron Paul wants to cut off support for Israel. Hmmm, could it be that he is trying to give more credence to the "anti-semite" smear that's starting to build steam?

there is certainly nothing wrong about highlighting ron pauls positions.

i think most people see it as a positive thing that RP also appeals to liberals - this will enhance his chances against hillary.

[margomaps]

I think that some of you that are praising those articles are missing a very important, subtle attack on Ron Paul.

One of the articles played up the fact that democrats like Ron Paul. The writer knows that one of the easiest ways to make a republican turn up his/her nose is to attach the "liberal" lable to a candidate. The writer also knows that Ron Paul is trying to win the Republican nomination. It's as simple as 2+2.

The same article also sublty highlighted the fact that Ron Paul wants to cut off support for Israel. Hmmm, could it be that he is trying to give more credence to the "anti-semite" smear that's starting to build steam?

1) Writing about the facts -- the job of a journalist -- is not a 'subtle attack'. The fact is that a fair number of Democrats like Ron Paul. The journalist reported on it. Nothing to see here.

2) Dr. Paul has repeatedly said Israel would be better off without our interference in the middle east. Journalists are free to report on this, and they should. Nothing to see here.

[WillInMiami]

1) Writing about the facts -- the job of a journalist -- is not a 'subtle attack'. The fact is that a fair number of Democrats like Ron Paul. The journalist reported on it. Nothing to see here.

2) Dr. Paul has repeatedly said Israel would be better off without our interference in the middle east. Journalists are free to report on this, and they should. Nothing to see here.

You guys think what you want. If you want to believe that MSNBC isn't a liberal machine that would like nothing more than to undermine the most conservative candidate running for President, be my guest...

[mavtek]

My Favorite quote by far!

"Hartman supported Bush four years ago and explained, “Up until the last six months I had not allowed myself to imagine that we’d been let down by Bush.” As for Iraq, “I don’t think we were prepared to understand that culture and to work with that culture.”

He said he now feels “humble and I feel kind of bad that I haven’t done a better job of being faithful to Ron Paul’s kind of integrity.”

Changing minds, but are we changing them fast enough!

[mkrfctr]

And I think some of you shoot great publicity in the mouth by over analyzing a wee bit too much.

I challenge you to write what you think is a non-slanted article on Ron; we'll post it to the forum, and we'll get back at least 30 things that could be seen as slights or "attacks" etc etc.

If you have any political position you're going to have people who disagree. You want the impossible.

Edit: Will perhaps you should read each article as it is produced, you know, by individual reporters, who are you know, individual living breathing human beings. They are not all cogs in a giant Borg like entity who march in lock-step. Or perhaps that kills your wet-dreams.

[fcofer]

You guys think what you want. If you want to believe that MSNBC isn't a liberal machine that would like nothing more than to undermine the most conservative candidate running for President, be my guest...

That may or may not be so, but I don't think that they are undermining him in this article.

I agree with margomaps about the specific issues you raised - it appears that the journalist is merely pointing out Ron Paul's positions. Sure, some people might be horrified at the idea of cutting off the massive subsidies to Israel. But if they research Paul later, they'll find it out and be horrified then.

On the other hand, there are many true conservatives, who are intensely bothered by our government's policy of spending billions around the globe, who have never heard of Ron Paul. When they read the article, they'll be on the road to being the type of true, unconvertible Ron Paul supporters that most of us have become. :)

[Question_Authority]

I printed out both articles and will be handing them out to people I know who are not yet convinced.

[Badger Paul]

Both were good articles and I think both articles point out objectively where we really stand in Iowa.

Right now Mitt's got the party brass and the average party hack locked up. He's been in the state the longest, he's spent the most money, he's got nearly all the GOP politicians endorsements. So he'll probably win the state, but since everyone expects him to, it won't count for much and he may underperform like he did in the Straw Poll. Republicans sort of like but they're not passionate for him.

Huckabee will throw everything he's got into Iowa because its the only state where he has a large base of support right now which he hopes will translate to broader support in other states. But it will leave him with little else to compete with nationwide. I think his support is or will passionate enough to finish at least second.

That leaves everyone else with varying degrees of support and organization in Iowa. I think RP has a better on-ground organization than Guiliani, McCain and Thompson, who all have name recognition and money for ads but very little on-ground support that will make sure people will get to the caucuses Jan. 3. Tancredo, I'm sure has good on-ground support in Iowa, but no money for ads and a weak national standing which will hold down potential turnout. Hunter is a non-factor.

So with more national TV exposure, more ads and more appearances in Iowa, Ron Paul can finish at least as high as third or a close fourth, which would be good a springboard into states like Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada and South Carolina where he can do even better.

[Original_Intent]

My Favorite quote by far!

"Hartman supported Bush four years ago and explained, “Up until the last six months I had not allowed myself to imagine that we’d been let down by Bush.” As for Iraq, “I don’t think we were prepared to understand that culture and to work with that culture.”

He said he now feels “humble and I feel kind of bad that I haven’t done a better job of being faithful to Ron Paul’s kind of integrity.”

Changing minds, but are we changing them fast enough!

That was the strongest point of the article for me as well. To hear a pastor say he felt bad about "not being faithful to Ron Paul's kind of integrity" is huge.

He also stated that he has been a Huckabee supporter who is now strongly leaning towards Paul. If we get the "Values Voters" to abandon Huckabee and let go of their bloodlust in the Middle East, that is going to be HUGE!

[JMann]

These aren't campaign pieces they may not contain the wording you would like to see but very fair articles coming from an operation as unprofessional as MSNBC.

[American]

I really like the second article, it talks about some of the religious people supporting RP and some other very rational people. I also like how they mention some of them were supporting Mike Huckleberry and now they are leaning real strongly towards Ron Paul.

I think they are great articles.

[runderwo]

"The Constitution mandates a policy of non-intervention."

This wasn't a direct quote of him, so I'm wondering if it was a mischaracterization of what he said. Anyway, I don't think its true.

It is true in that it mandates a declaration of war before any military action. Paul calls himself non-interventionist but he isn't against declaring war when it's necessary.

[Brian Bailey]

"Trippi added, “This kind of candidacy can be surprisingly strong in a caucus state particularly if it stays just below the radar.”

Drew Ivers, Paul’s Iowa campaign chairman, used that same phrase in addressing the Paul rally in Des Moines Saturday.

Ivers asked for show of hands on how many members of the audience were registered Republicans. Seeing that about half weren’t, Ivers told them they were “under the radar — which is exactly where I want to be.”"

Emphasis is my own.

So, about those scientific telephone polls of registered Republicans...

[RonPaulStreetTeam]

awesome.
added both to my website! Thanks!

http://ronpaulstreetteam.com/

[klamath]

Integrity, integrity integrity, commitment, commitment, commitment is the theme that kept coming up. He won't say anything to get elected. I don't care about all the little side issues and how they may be misconstrued. It pretty much stated what RP stands for. If we have to sugar coat all his issues and try and spin them to be what we think the average "people" want to hear we are no better that the rest of the lying politicians. Honestly if the American people don't agree with RP's positions I personally don't want to send a honorable man into the hell of the presidency with no public support. I would rather he went home and enjoyed his grandkids.

[Adamsa]

*sexes MSNBC

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

"The Constitution mandates a policy of non-intervention."

This wasn't a direct quote of him, so I'm wondering if it was a mischaracterization of what he said. Anyway, I don't think its true.

Well, it kind of DOES. The Constitution says that any powers not explicitly delegated to the federal government are denied to it. (10th Ammendment)

The Constitution doesn't authorize the federal government to use taxpayer dollars to throw foreign aid money at countries all over the world, the Constitution doesn't authorize the President to use our military for any mission of importance without a formal Congressional declaration of war, the Constitution doesn't authorize the CIA let alone any governmental agency whose purpose is to go around overthrowing foreign leaders and messing around in other sovereign countries' business, and the Constitution definitely doesn't authorize the federal government to allow American troops to serve under foreign commanders guided by an unelected foreign body to enforce nebulous "police actions" or "peacekeeping missions" around the world that have no bearing on our national security.

I'd say the Constitution pretty much mandates a non-interventionist foreign policy. :P


Edit: Those are great articles by the way. lol!

[austin356]

Whoever is saying these are subtle "attack articles" are flat out insane. These articles were as pro-Paul as MSNBC could make them without it being a love fest.


I dont want "favorability" from the media. I dont want the media to favor anyone except by distinct editorials; For then I become hypocritical when I complain about them favoring RG, and HC. What I want out of mainstream reporting is respect and non-distortion, both of which these articles achieved IMO.

If these are attack articles then Alex Jones is a minion of the Central Bank working to bring about World Government.

[NewEnd]

Those were excellent... finally, two articles from MSM without any negativity that I could see.

Be sure and rate them after reading!