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liberty2897
06-12-2011, 01:15 AM
First off, I would like to say that I am a new Ron Paul supporter. I was just in time to contribute to the June 5th money bomb. The thing that finally made me take a look at Ron Paul for the first time was seeing the exchange between Harry Reid and Rand Paul, followed by Obama signing the Patriot Act with his "auto-pen". I was completely pissed. That was the last straw. Since then I have been trying to educate myself on politics. I have always found the terms left/right, conservative / liberal very confusing in relation to what republicans, democrats, and libertarians really stand for. I think I am finally starting to get it. Please take a look at the linked document and comment. I'm looking for constructive criticism here, but feel free to say whatever is on your mind. Note that this is a really rough document right now. The arguments need to be expanded and polished. I just want to see if I'm headed in the right direction.
Quit_Thinking_Left_and_Right.pdf (http://wikisend.com/download/258628/Quit_Thinking_Left_and_Right.pdf)

emazur
06-12-2011, 02:23 AM
Welcome aboard. You're correct - left and right, liberal and conservative can be very confusing. 'Conservative' is typically thought to mean one who wants to limit government. But also one who often is resistant to change. I want to limit government but hate the status quo. If I told you I was a live-and-let live believing, world-music listening vegetarian atheist who spends more time on the bicycle than in the car (which I am) many might think I'm some sort of far left progressive-hippie. If I told you I'd never done a drug in my life, scarcely drink, oppose casual sex, appreciate modesty, think waaay too many people overvalue nonsensical entertainment, support individual responsibility, and want a strictly limited government (again, all true) you'd think I was a far right conservative. Someone like me would have no place on left liberal, right conservative scale. And the fact that the liberal Democrats in practice don't actually value social tolerance (except on a couple issues), and conservative Republicans actually vastly increase the size of government while simultaneously you hear from liberal political numbskulls like Thom Hartmann that Republicans have moved "so far to the right" over the years only makes things more confusing.

The chart you have in there - I don't much care for it. I don't think fascism in theory or in practice really involves more economic freedom and less social freedom, and I don't believe socialism in practice doesn't involve more social freedom. I like the Nolan Chart better. The John Birch Society also has a pretty nice economic spectrum that correctly points out that things like socialism and fascism are really big government ideologies that restrict your freedom, while Constitutionalism involves less government in all areas of your life and based on an ideology of freedom.

While on the subject of charts, I'm not quite sure of what you were doing in figure six with the red/white/blue zones and the green area (though I assume you mean we are now in the bottom-left, and should be aiming to shift to the upper right).

Another criticism: "Replace
Medicare with single-payer health care system or just get rid of it all together." Ron Paul would never advocate a single-payer health system, and hardly anyone here would either.

For someone who says they are a new Ron Paul supporter, it sounds to me like you'd learned quite a lot. To learn more, might I suggest the Ron Paul 2012 article linked in my signature?