Think Progress hatin' on the John Birch Society

[FrankRep]

Think Progress hatin' on the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).


John Birch Society Celebrates Koch Family For Their Role In Founding The Hate Group (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/242334/john-birch-society-celebrates-koch/)


Think Progress
June 10, 2011


Think Progress turns lying into a sport.


"The Koch-funded Birchers held numerous rallies during the ’60s claiming integration would lead to a “mongrelization” of the races."

:rolleyes: Complete fiction.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/l_d0537d93332e4a9d9684f8bbd7f5cef3.jpg (http://www.jbs.org/)


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American Entrepreneurs series


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/07aJune/2711-historykoch-ap.jpg



Fred C. Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was not only an outstanding pioneer in the petroleum industry, but a staunch anti-Communist and American patriot.


Fred Koch: Oil Man Against Communism (http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/7771-fred-koch-oil-man-against-communism)


Charles Scaliger | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
10 June 2011

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Related Article:

Robert Welch: An Americanist Entrepreneur (http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/7444-robert-welch-an-americanist-entrepreneur)

Before John Birch Society founder Robert Welch began his political activism, he was an industrious candy maker, prospering through perseverance and ingenuity.

[realtonygoodwin]

Honestly, this forum is pretty much the only place I have heard people refer to the JBS in a positive way.

[FrankRep]

Honestly, this forum is pretty much the only place I have heard people refer to the JBS in a positive way.

Ron Paul endorses (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?132355-Congressman-Ron-Paul-endorses-The-John-Birch-Society) the John Birch Society.


Ron Paul at the 50th Anniversary of the John Birch Society


http://www.vimeo.com/19602654


Ron Paul Addresses John Birch Society (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/409)

Brian Farmer | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
08 October 2008


Dr. Ron Paul, Texas congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate, was the featured speaker Saturday evening, October 4 on the final day of the John Birch Society's 50th Anniversary Celebration. The topic of his keynote address was "Restoring the Republic: Lessons From a Presidential Campaign," in which he lectured the audience on how our republic can be restored with groups such as the John Birch Society (JBS) and his own Campaign for Liberty leading the way.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Honestly, this forum is pretty much the only place I have heard people refer to the JBS in a positive way.

Doesn't surprise me. They have been a much slandered group throughout the years.

[Cutlerzzz]

It's ironic that Johnson, Roosevelt, and most of their other icons from the era stood so strongly in favor of segregation before 1964.

[CapitalistJerk]

It's ironic that Johnson, Roosevelt, and most of their other icons from the era stood so strongly in favor of segregation before 1964.

Nothing wrong with segregation, as long as it is voluntary.

I believe that an integrated society has done more harm than good, so if segregation was their stance, I say more power to them.

[realtonygoodwin]

Ron Paul endorses (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?132355-Congressman-Ron-Paul-endorses-The-John-Birch-Society) the John Birch Society.


Ron Paul at the 50th Anniversary of the John Birch Society



http://www.vimeo.com/19602654


Ron Paul Addresses John Birch Society (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/409)

Brian Farmer | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
08 October 2008


Dr. Ron Paul, Texas congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate, was the featured speaker Saturday evening, October 4 on the final day of the John Birch Society's 50th Anniversary Celebration. The topic of his keynote address was "Restoring the Republic: Lessons From a Presidential Campaign," in which he lectured the audience on how our republic can be restored with groups such as the John Birch Society (JBS) and his own Campaign for Liberty leading the way.

Right, and I know of a lot of people who reject Ron Paul because of that. (That isn't the only thing, but it is perceived as a negative by them.)

[ChaosControl]

Think Regress is a worthless site, don't bother giving them traffic.

[FrankRep]

Right, and I know of a lot of people who reject Ron Paul because of that. (That isn't the only thing, but it is perceived as a negative by them.)

The funny thing is that Ron Paul is a Congressman today because of the John Birch Society.


Ron Paul: "[Larry McDonald] was the most principled man in Congress."
- The Philadelphia Inquirer

Ron Paul on Congressman Larry McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald), the President of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).



Ron Paul went to Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat, for advice on running for Congress. McDonald said, "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant." This made Ron Paul become a Republican.


Video: Ron Paul explains... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ--ju7Vxk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQQ--ju7Vxk

[AuH20]

JBS has a startling record of accuracy. That's the dirty little secret.

[amy31416]

The only negative association I have with the JBS is Frank.

[MJU1983]

Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Young Turks, and Media Matters all scare me. I hope they don't have too much influence over today's youth.

[FrankRep]

Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Young Turks, and Media Matters all scare me. I hope they don't have too much influence over today's youth.
Was Obama elected president? Yep, they have influence.

[Cutlerzzz]

Nothing wrong with segregation, as long as it is voluntary.

I believe that an integrated society has done more harm than good, so if segregation was their stance, I say more power to them.

I disagree with everything you just said...You do realize that segregation was NOT voluntary, don't you?

[Travlyr]

The John Birch Society was established in 1958. The silver certificate was redeemable until 1968. Nixon broke all ties of the gold standard from the dollar in 1971. Since that time, inflation has stolen great wealth from the people, the educational system has been losing ground, the police state has expanded, and perpetual wars have been fought even if not declared.

I don't blame the John Birch Society. Nonetheless, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

They are very good at telling us what the globalists plan next, but their record of protecting the constitutional republic shows their ineffectiveness has allowed a continual expansion of the Empire worldwide.

Waging another war is in order. War #12? Leading the fight and winning the war against the tyranny of the central banks would redeem the society, imo, if they so choose to lead the fight.

[FrankRep]

They are very good at telling us what the globalists plan next, but their record of protecting the constitutional republic shows their ineffectiveness has allowed a continual expansion of the Empire worldwide.

Fighting Billionaire International Bankers bent on World Domination is a challenge. What can I say?

[Travlyr]

Fighting Billionaire International Bankers bent on World Domination is a challenge. What can I say?

Let's bring in some Trillionaires from Zimbabwe to buy them off. It is the fight for freedom.

[Zatch]

Honestly, this forum is pretty much the only place I have heard people refer to the JBS in a positive way.

Same here.

[Pericles]

JBS has a startling record of accuracy. That's the dirty little secret.

That ^

[Travlyr]

JBS has a startling record of accuracy. That's the dirty little secret.

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?

[Pericles]

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?

Its like keeping elephants out of Central Park. We don't know how much worse it would be without their efforts.

[FrankRep]

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?
These attacks on the JBS aren't really fair you know. (You didn't stop the new world order, you suck.) Wait, what?

[AuH20]

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?

I agree with you, but Buckley and the NRO essentially buried them publicly.

[libertybrewcity]

thinkprogress is always hatin

[FrankRep]

I agree with you, but Buckley and the NRO essentially buried them publicly.
The Republican elites (Buckley/Neocons) and the Mass Media Declared War on the John Birch Society.
The JBS was smeared with every dirty lie possible. Ron Paul started to receive the same treatment so you know what I'm talking about.

[NewRightLibertarian]

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?

Extend that F in effectiveness over to Ron Paul if you're going to give it to the Birch Society. He's been in the government for the past 30+ years and the Constitution has collapsed while he's been serving. So by your logic, he deserves an F as well.

[FrankRep]

Extend that F in effectiveness over to Ron Paul if you're going to give it to the Birch Society. He's been in the government for the past 30+ years and the Constitution has collapsed while he's been serving. So by your logic, he deserves an F as well.

Yeah.

Plus I say again: "Fighting Billionaire International Bankers bent on World Domination is a challenge. What can I say?"

[Travlyr]

Extend that F in effectiveness over to Ron Paul if you're going to give it to the Birch Society. He's been in the government for the past 30+ years and the Constitution has collapsed while he's been serving. So by your logic, he deserves an F as well.

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!

[Travlyr]

Yeah.

Plus I say again: "Fighting Billionaire International Bankers bent on World Domination is a challenge. What can I say?"

Failure is no excuse. What have they won?

[heavenlyboy34]

The only negative association I have with the JBS is Frank.
+99999999 JBS does some good things on occasion (like publishing Dr Woods' work), but it seems Frank picks out the cookier things they publish and spams the boards with them relentlessly.

[FrankRep]

So they get an A+ for reporting and an F for effectiveness?

The Effectiveness of The John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/962-from-the-ceo/6041-ceo-april-2010-the-effectiveness-of-the-john-birch-society)


Arthur R. Thompson, JBS CEO
April 2010


After the initial paragraphs that follow, we present a partial listing of campaigns and events that demonstrate the effectiveness of The John Birch Society. Some of these victories resulted from the singular efforts of our organization. Others were achieved in cooperation with friendly groups and associations. In a few of these cases, the JBS started the campaigns and others climbed aboard the bandwagon. And, it has not been unusual that the work of the JBS organization/members was downplayed or completely ignored while others received the credit.

While this may appear to be umbrage, one has to remember how the Society is organized, the services we provide, coupled with the outreach capabilities of our membership with staff coordination on a national scale which is not duplicated by any other organization.

We have a “Comparison of Organizational Services and Programs” chart that tells an important story. It is available as a PDF download ( http://files.meetup.com/684064/JBSComparisonChart%202010.pdf ) that anyone can obtain to get a very good picture of how The John Birch Society far outpaces all other groups in the services and tools we provide. The chart clearly demonstrates to people you are trying to convince to join our organization just what our capabilities are. This chart is intended to show our capabilities, not to downplay the worth of any other organization. Its single page, however, demonstrates that we possess an array of capabilities that others simply do not have in total.

No better example of the success of our work on a national scale (with others participating) exists in the campaign to stop the North American Union (NAU). While other groups combated the threat posed by efforts to create the NAU with pronouncements, articles, and meetings, these activities generally amounted to preaching to the choir. Only the JBS spent the time, energy, and money to carry the message with our outreach capabilities to literally millions of opinion molders all across America.

During the several months of that particular campaign, we undertook massive literature distribution, DVD production and distribution, Internet postings to millions, appearances by speakers at Society-arranged events and other programs, radio and television interviews, and the placing of the special issue of The New American in the hands of all state legislators and members of the U.S. Congress. Then, the follow-up campaign with elected officials added weight to that impressive distribution. Further, we can only guess at the effect created by all of our chapters who worked quietly on their own during this campaign.

The result is that the drive to merge our nation with Canada and Mexico in a planned North American Union has been slowed considerably.


There are three basic reasons why the many victories our Society has achieved have not been credited to us.


1. Some battles have been completely off the radar screen of conservatives let alone the average American. These campaigns have been waged without anyone noticing either the danger or the fight. An example would be the UN’s Earth Charter (below).

2. The John Birch Society has always concentrated more on our mission and has hardly ever focused on taking credit for our victories, either nationally or locally. In addition, we have traditionally done a poor job of branding the Society and for 45 years, allowed others to do so. Therefore, many Americans have been unaware that we even exist let alone that we should be recognized for the efforts we have expended. One example is that while others hold dinners and rallies to talk to one another and gain publicity in the process, our members carry out their efforts in group and individual outreach sessions conducted in homes, businesses, and meeting rooms in order to educate and activate others. JBS has always been busy building awareness among the ill-informed and not focusing on those who are already in the fight. These activities do not generate publicity. The philosophy of the Society has always been to put our efforts and our resources into the fight, not toot our own horn.

3. The Insider-controlled media has always pointed to other organizations as the leaders of the conservative/constitutional movement. This has consistently kept people from involvement in the JBS because they weren’t aware of our existence. Part of this process has been to make others look responsible for campaigns and victories simply because they have shared head-table status with Republican leaders, even Council on Foreign Relations members, at public events.

As all of us generally do our JBS work without fanfare, even our members don’t appreciate the scope of the influence and the effectiveness of the overall JBS campaigns. Members see only their individual efforts. Because these individual or chapter efforts have not always been at a level even they would have preferred, they assume this to be the case all across the country.

Also, members have not been able to see from their local vantage point the national results that have come about through the efforts of thousands of virtually anonymous volunteers working in concerted effort on the same issue at the same time all across the country. Not being able to see the accumulated effect of these efforts, large and small, has even led some members to believe the media when told that others have achieved the goal. The media subtly gives the impression that Americans should actually join these other outfits!


However, all of the following accomplishments, and many more, amount to a story in themselves. Each not only shows that a goal was achieved; each helps to demonstrate that activity is what gets the job done, not just awareness of a problem. Since our purpose here is only to outline our results, the various means taken to achieve each goal must be left to another time.


The Committee Against Summit Entanglements.

Through this ad hoc committee in the early days of the Society, the JBS delayed the providing of dignity to the USSR during the Eisenhower administration, something Richard Nixon accomplished for Communist China in the 1970s. Eisenhower cancelled his scheduled trip to Russia as a result of our work. This program was one of the main reasons that communists and Insiders launched their smear attack on the JBS.

Support Your Local Police.

This effort prevented the nationalization of local police departments and various other forms of federal government regulation of our local police. It led to the federal agency known as the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) being abolished. Support Your Local “Whatever” then became a widely used slogan adopted by others because of the acceptance of our “Support Your Local Police” slogan. Our committees also led to the defeat of communist-inspired police review boards which were designed to hamper local police departments by destroying morale and impeding their work in countering crime and terrorism.

“Innocents Defiled.”

The JBS produced one of the first, if not the first, visual aids targeting the crime of abortion. This filmstrip was widely shown and aided in the launching of the pro-life movement.

MOTOREDE.

Our Movement to Restore Decency, MOTOREDE, was launched to stem the decline of moral standards in our country and to expose the involvement of communists promoting the turn away from traditional values. MOTOREDE was especially effective in alerting many to the danger of drug use and the harm being done to young people through inserting sex education instruction in the schools. The deterioration of community morality always leads to tyranny and this is the reason communists (some of whom were part of the Sex Information and Education Council of the United States, SIECUS) promote liberal attitudes toward morality. Our efforts stimulated the movement that became known as the Christian Right, which was started locally by many of our members. Some JBS members became prominent leaders and organizers in this work.

Black American Speakers.

Several courageous black American JBS members helped bring an end to the violence and strife of the 1960s and 1970s. The work of such heroic individuals as Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, Freeman Yearling and others, plus the writing of George Schuyler, brought a truly American message to large audiences especially in the South. Numerous demonstrations and their planned riots were canceled when the truth about the communist influence behind these operations was provided to Americans of all races.

Racially-inspired Programs Exposed.

The Society thwarted communist plans to radicalize selected groups such as the American Indian Movement and the Chicano Movements led by Cesar Chavez and Reies Tijerina.

Stop Aiding Communists.

During the Vietnam War, members gathered millions of signatures on a petition to Congress calling for an end to all aid and trade with communist nations who were supplying the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong.

Equal Rights Amendment Killed.

The truly dangerous Equal Rights Amendment was stopped cold after the JBS got involved in what was originally thought to be such a bizarre proposal that it wouldn’t attract any attention. Speakers, reprints, and visits with state legislators in key states pointed out that it had next to nothing to do with the rights of women and plenty to do with building federal power over every American. Our effort turned the tide away from passage.

Constitutional Convention Blocked.

Continual calls for a Con-Con were met with reprints, videos, speakers, and personal visits to state legislators. Not only were calls blocked in some states, already passed calls for a Con-Con were wiped away in over a dozen other states when the dangers inherent in a Con-Con were made clear.

Tax Reform Immediately (TRIM).

For thirty years our TRIM committees throughout the nation exposed the actual voting records of members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Many elected officials found themselves run out of office as a result of the distribution of millions of these “report cards.” The effort proved that an informed electorate will make better choices on Election Day. We are now undertaking a transition from the production of printed TRIM report cards to online report cards for congressmen that can be accessed through the “Legislative Action” section of our website at JBS.org.

Profiles of Leftist Senators.

As a result of widespread distribution of articles showing their record in office published by JBS publications, liberal U.S. Senators in Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, Idaho, North Carolina, and other states were defeated at the polls. Once again, the decision by local citizens to inform the electorate made the difference.

Targeting Small States and Areas.

Experiments in Idaho and other areas have shown that, with sufficient staff coverage to build a sizable JBS organization, change in the voting patterns of the citizens can be achieved. These efforts lead to the eventual election of more constitutionally-minded people at all levels.

Immigration Problem.

Our 1988 video entitled “Out of Control” was the first to awaken citizens to the enormous illegal immigration problem before most Americans knew that there even was a problem.

Combating Terrorism.

With JBS member and U.S. Congressman Lawrence P. McDonald leading the way, such videos as “No Place to Hide” were produced. This particular program was the first to show the communist creation and nurturing of all terrorist groups around the world. It also showed that no terrorist organization operates without state sponsorship.

Muslim Terrorism Exposed.

Our more recent exposure of so-called Muslim terrorism again shows not only state-sponsorship, but also that the Russian government and its FSB has trained and armed Muslim surrogates.

Exposing Conspiracy.

JBS has always exposed the fact that a conspiracy to enslave mankind is at the root of most of our nation’s and the world’s problems. The first major thrust in this campaign was the distribution of over six million copies of the book None Dare Call It Conspiracy authored by JBS writer Gary Allen. Continued success in this regard, based on studies issued by the University of Virginia and others, indicates that nearly half of America’s citizens believe that our nation faces a conspiracy. The campaign has been so successful, that in order to sabotage the effort, we are witnessing absurd “conspiracy theories” being injected into the thinking of Americans to discredit the idea of conspiracy itself.

The Y2K Scare.

Through a timely article in The New American magazine, JBS members calmed fears about a Y2K computerized meltdown on New Years Day 2000. Many who criticized us for saying that there would be no major problem then now criticize us for not promoting other bizarre initiatives designed to marginalize conservatives. Indeed, many of our successes have been in stopping the spread of false rumors designed to discredit the entire conservative movement. Who can forget the completely fraudulent threat of black helicopters?

The UN’s Earth Charter.

Singlehandedly, JBS members stopped plans to inject the pagan Earth Charter into communities and schools. Radical one-worlders actually had a program underway aimed to make environmentalism a religion that worshipped Mother Earth. It was stopped with a single article in The New American and timely distribution of its reprints.

Get US out! of the United Nations.

Our decades-old campaign to have the U.S. withdraw from the UN has helped a majority of Americans to be opposed to continued U.S. membership in the world body. Millions of pieces of literature, videos, DVDs, and speakers, radio/TV interviews, billboards, etc., led to this development. Prior to the Obama phenomenon, congressional support for withdrawal had steadily been increasing.

Impeachment of President Clinton.

Many Americans wanted Clinton impeached, but it wasn’t until the JBS gave the initiative real organization that the goal became a reality. Such luminaries as the Washington Post grudgingly recognized the work of the JBS in this campaign. Because we organized the effort under what were called ACTION Committees, few realized that we were the driving force. When Hillary Clinton talked about “the vast right wing conspiracy,” she was certainly pointing to The John Birch Society for she knew who mounted such a successful effort. She did not want to identify us by name since doing so would have given us credit.

Free Trade Area of the Americas.

Singlehandedly, our Society stopped the implementation of the so-called Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA). President George W. Bush had stated numerous times that he intended to push the measure through Congress starting in January 2005. The U.S. was to be one of 34 nations in the Western Hemisphere tied into an arrangement similar to the European Union. And the United Nations was to be the ultimate beneficiary. But, because of JBS efforts, President Bush never even delivered his subversive plan to Congress. The program continues under a different name without U.S. involvement in Latin America under communist leadership.

North American Union.

JBS helped form a coalition to oppose the North American Union (NAU) and the Security and Prosperity Partnership that was created to bring the NAU about by 2010. The NAU would have abolished the borders separating our nation from Canada and Mexico, integrated banking, environmental, trade, and healthcare regulations, built a common “defense,” spurred immigration into the U.S., and much more. These plans have been set back drastically.

DVD Circulation.

Hundreds of thousands of our DVDs are now in circulation. “Overview of America” has been viewed through a variety of means by millions of Americans. The innovation of the Internet has widened the viewership of our videos.

Internet Reach.

Our Internet exposure is now at or near the level of key organizations and publications of the Insiders — and it is growing. We measure this by the number of unique visitors to our sites, not page views by repeat visitors. We continue to double our reach online each year and we have plans to continue carrying this growth forward. Furthermore, tens of thousands of Americans use the “Legislative Action” section of our JBS.org website to send email and otherwise contact their elected officials in support of, or in opposition to, legislation at both the federal and state level.

Stressing Constitution, not Conservatism.

JBS insisted that the standard for Americans was the U.S. Constitution which is defined, not a shifting “conservatism” that wasn’t defined. With William F. Buckley leading conservatives to accept leftist, internationalist and un-American views and policies, championing the U.S. Constitution became ever more important. If the Constitution were fully enforced, the federal government would be 20 percent its size and 20 percent its cost.

Overall Influence.


* Though not measurable, our overall influence is considerable. Anyone who counts the number of mentions of our Society in both the print and electronic media through interviews and appearances of our members on radio and TV, and who then considers our growing membership among state legislators, our thousands of members working within their own spheres of influence, and literally millions of contacts through our literature, DVDs and internet sites each year, knows that The John Birch Society has influence — and knows it is growing.

* Our members’ involvement in other organizations has influenced tens of millions. We can think of five members alone where this statement is true.

* The current level of concern over, and love of, the Constitution is due in large part to our membership’s influence over the past 50 years.

* Perhaps the most important element in the continuing growth in JBS influence has been the distribution of hundreds of millions of pieces of literature, reprints, books, videos, DVDs and other media over 50 years. There is little question that without this information and education, the American people — indeed the entire planet — would now be living in tyranny.

Keep in mind that all we do in print, video, and online supports an agenda implemented by members in a coordinated fashion through local chapters all over America. No other organization on our side of the battle can make this statement. This concerted action enhances the effect of our work by ten- to one hundred-fold.

Recent attacks to malign or marginalize the JBS, such as the effort undertaken by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, are indications of our success and that we are on the right track. We come under attack because of our successes, not our failures, and by how much we influence the American people.

The John Birch Society is unique. Enemies don’t know exactly how to blunt our effectiveness. All JBS members should keep in mind what Founder Robert Welch stated at the close of his marathon message when the Society was launched, “All we must build and use, to win, is sufficient understanding.” Nothing has changed about this strategy. What has definitely changed is the way the American people are receiving our message with gratitude and a willingness to help.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/962-from-the-ceo/6041-ceo-april-2010-the-effectiveness-of-the-john-birch-society

[heavenlyboy34]

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!

RP is also more effective than the entire GOP apparatus. ;) :D

[Travlyr]

RP is also more effective than the entire GOP apparatus. ;) :D

+ rep

For sure!

[NewRightLibertarian]

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!

Ron Paul's run for president has not resulted in constitutional government. In fact, the government is crazier, bigger and more evil than ever! Dr. Paul has clearly 'failed' by your expectations.

[Travlyr]

Ron Paul's run for president has not resulted in constitutional government. In fact, the government is crazier, bigger and more evil than ever! Dr. Paul has clearly 'failed' by your expectations.

No. Sorry Friend. Ron Paul has woke-up the world.

[heavenlyboy34]

"
Support Your Local Police.

This effort prevented the nationalization of local police departments and various other forms of federal government regulation of our local police. It led to the federal agency known as the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) being abolished. Support Your Local “Whatever” then became a widely used slogan adopted by others because of the acceptance of our “Support Your Local Police” slogan. Our committees also led to the defeat of communist-inspired police review boards which were designed to hamper local police departments by destroying morale and impeding their work in countering crime and terrorism."

I wouldn't consider this^^ an "achievement". Government police (even local ones) are neither Constitutional nor conducive to liberty.

[FrankRep]

"
Support Your Local Police.

This effort prevented the nationalization of local police departments and various other forms of federal government regulation of our local police. It led to the federal agency known as the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) being abolished. Support Your Local “Whatever” then became a widely used slogan adopted by others because of the acceptance of our “Support Your Local Police” slogan. Our committees also led to the defeat of communist-inspired police review boards which were designed to hamper local police departments by destroying morale and impeding their work in countering crime and terrorism."

I wouldn't consider this^^ an "achievement". Government police (even local ones) are neither Constitutional nor conducive to liberty.

Local police are Constitutional.* The John Birch Society helped stop the Federalization of the Police.


*Under the 10th Amendment, a State can have a police force.

[Travlyr]

The Effectiveness of The John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/962-from-the-ceo/6041-ceo-april-2010-the-effectiveness-of-the-john-birch-society)

Where is stopping the Income Tax, or putting a stop to the Counterfeiting Cabal?

[heavenlyboy34]

Local police are Constitutional. The John Birch Society helped stop the Federalization of the Police.
Incorrect.

(http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm)ARE COPS CONSTITUTIONAL? (http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm)
Roger Roots*
ABSTRACT
Police work is often lionized by jurists and scholars who claim to employ "textualist" and "originalist" methods of constitutional interpretation. Yet professional police were unknown to the United States in 1789, and first appeared in America almost a half-century after the Constitution's ratification. The Framers contemplated law enforcement as the duty of mostly private citizens, along with a few constables and sheriffs who could be called upon when necessary. This article marshals extensive historical and legal evidence to show that modern policing is in many ways inconsistent with the original intent of America's founding documents. The author argues that the growth of modern policing has substantially empowered the state in a way the Framers would regard as abhorrent to their foremost principles.
PART I
INTRODUCTION...................................... ..........................686
THE CONSTITUTIONAL TEXT.............................................. 688
PRIVATE PROSECUTORS....................................... .............689
LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A UNIVERSAL................................692
POLICE AS SOCIAL WORKERS........................................... ..695
THE WAR ON CRIME............................................. .............696
THE DEVELOPMENT OF DISTINCTIONS................................698
RESISTING ARREST............................................ ................701
THE SAFETY OF THE POLICE PROFESSION............................711
PROFESSIONALISM?.................................. ........................713
DNA EVIDENCE ILLUSTRATES FALLIBILITY OF POLICE........716
COPS NOT COST-EFFECTIVE DETERRENT.............................721
PART II
POLICE AS A STANDING ARMY...........................................722
THE SECOND AMENDMENT........725
THE THIRD AMENDMENT......................................... ..........727
THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT ALONE...........................................72 8
THE FOURTH AMENDMENT......................................... .......729
WARRANTS A FLOOR, NOT A CEILING.................................733
PRIVATE PERSONS AND THE FOURTH AMENDMENT..............734
ORIGINALISTS CALL FOR CIVIL DAMAGES...........................739
DEVELOPMENT OF IMMUNITIES........................................ ..743
THE LOSS OF PROBABLE CAUSE, AND THE ONSET OF PROBABLE SUSPICION......................................... .......744
POLICE AND THE "AUTOMOBILE EXCEPTION"......................745
ONE EXCEPTION: THE EXCLUSIONARY RULE?......................747
THE FIFTH AMENDMENT......................................... ...........751
DUE PROCESS........................................... ........................752
ENTRAPMENT........................................ ...........................754
CONCLUSION...................................757

[FrankRep]

Incorrect.
If you hate local cops, you'd really really really hate Federal cops.

[heavenlyboy34]

If you hate local cops, you'd really really really hate Federal cops.
I agree. Here in Maricopa county the police have already been militarized and carry out many Federal laws. Have a look at Sheriff Joe's tank :eek:
http://www.desertlivingtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Arpaio.jpg

[Travlyr]

If JBS will not support the constitutional principles, then perhaps that is why they have been ineffective for so long. The Income Tax is a Marxist doctrine.

[acptulsa]

Nothing wrong with segregation, as long as it is voluntary.

I believe that an integrated society has done more harm than good, so if segregation was their stance, I say more power to them.

Charmed.

Uh, their stance was decidedly not for voluntary segregation. We have had voluntary segregation to a degree since, but since not everyone volunteers for the same grand scheme, it has had it's rough edges. Which are probably the 'problems' you refer to.

But you know what? I'll take those problems over tyranny any day.

[Travlyr]

I know Ron Paul supports the John Birch Society.

My question is ... will the John Birch Society help him restore the constitutional principles? Time will tell.

[acptulsa]

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!

Hold on there, bucko. You think this movement was built on nothing? You haven't noticed that a few of us graybeards around here have been spoonfeeding you youngsters with The Real History for the last four years? You think we'd be where we are if no foundation had already been laid for you more enlightened youthful sophisticates to build on?

This recent explosion didn't just ignite in a vacuum. Give us voices shouting in the wilderness some credit. I see a lot of disrespect for LibertyEagle, be she in a good mood or not, but without her kind maintaining the information--and the faith--all this while, you kids would still be trying to seperate the shinola from the $#!+.

[LibertyEagle]

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!

What you fail to realize is that if it wasn't for people like who are in the JBS, our country would have fallen LONG ago.

[FrankRep]

Not true. JBS was established in 1958. 50 years of failure. The world didn't wake up until Ron Paul's run for president last election. Ron Paul is more effective than an entire organization!
You don't know your history. 50 years of fighting has created a Ron Paul.

Ron Paul agrees.

Ron Paul at the 50th Anniversary of the John Birch Society
http://vimeo.com/19602654

Ron Paul endorses the John Birch Society
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?132355-Congressman-Ron-Paul-endorses-The-John-Birch-Society

[BuddyRey]

I don't identify with ThinkProgress or the John Birch Society, so I really can't say I have a dog in this fight.

[Travlyr]

Hold on there, bucko. You think this movement was built on nothing? You haven't noticed that a few of us graybeards around here have been spoonfeeding you youngsters with The Real History for the last four years? You think we'd be where we are if no foundation had already been laid for you more enlightened youthful sophisticates to build on?

This recent explosion didn't just ignite in a vacuum. Give us voices shouting in the wilderness some credit. I see a lot of disrespect for LibertyEagle, be she in a good mood or not, but without her kind maintaining the information--and the faith--all this while, you kids would still be trying to seperate the shinola from the $#!+.

I have no disrespect for LE. I do have my disagreements, nonetheless.

I may have a few gray hairs myself there brother, but what I can say is if JBS had been publicizing Ron Paul's message since 1958, we wouldn't be where we are today. The John Birch Society knew that the Federal Reserve was an institution funding both sides of the wars since its inception, and stealing wealth from the people while enriching the elite.

Even today when you read JBS articles, there is no constant call for a return to honest sound money. It is time for them to either shit or get off the pot.

[Travlyr]

What you fail to realize is that if it wasn't for people like who are in the JBS, our country would have fallen LONG ago.

I know a lot more about history than you may think. JBS is not the problem, but it is time for them to help us win our freedoms back instead of simply reporting what the globalists want us to hear.

[specsaregood]

I know Ron Paul supports the John Birch Society.
My question is ... will the John Birch Society help him restore the constitutional principles? Time will tell.

All of the hardest core, most outgoing, knock on doors, outreach Ron Paul supporters in my area are all JBS members. And I say this as a non-member. They put most to shame, seriously.

[Travlyr]

All of the hardest core, most outgoing, knock on doors, outreach Ron Paul supporters in my area are all JBS members. And I say this as a non-member. They put most to shame, seriously.

Then why is Alex Jones more effective?

[TheDrakeMan]

Every liberty-oriented organization will be criticized heavily by the media. Groups like JBS are no different. The fact that Lefties, like Maddow, don't even let them present their views, while viciously attacking them, is disturbing.

[acptulsa]

I may have a few gray hairs myself there brother, but what I can say is if JBS had been publicizing Ron Paul's message since 1958, we wouldn't be where we are today. The John Birch Society knew that the Federal Reserve was an institution funding both sides of the wars since its inception, and stealing wealth from the people while enriching the elite.

Well if you have even a few gray hairs, then you should know that the big acceleration has been recent. Lawson v. Kalendar was handed down as recently as the Burger Court, and until Sandra Day O'Connor retired sane Supreme Court rulings were the rule rather than the exception. And people still understood Constitutional principles as late as the seventies and eighties.

Oh, yes, the seeds were being laid at the time, and the history curriculum was going straight to hell. But if they had had their way, it could and would have happened sooner. But it didn't. We made them work for it back then.

I don't think you realize how much they've been working to steamroll the tyranny. That's what has been waking people up. They actually incrementalized us at the time. And people like Birchers slowed that incrementalism down to a crawl. Why do you think they came in for such disinformation and vitriol? Because they were worthless? Not.


Then why is Alex Jones more effective?

The flipping 'net, son. Ever crank a mimeograph machine?

[specsaregood]

Then why is Alex Jones more effective?

I wouldnt say he is. Hell last campaign the AJ fans stumbled into the meetups wild-eyed with no idea what to do. The JBS people took their hand and showed them how to be activists. How to get booths at events and hand out materials and talk to people, how to print out voter lists along with maps and go door to door. They worked together in my area, no problem.

[FrankRep]

Even today when you read JBS articles, there is no constant call for a return to honest sound money. It is time for them to either shit or get off the pot.

The John Birch Society is anti-Federal Reserve and Pro-Sound Money. They're Completely Constant.


Utah Legalizes Gold and Silver Currency
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/7581-utah-legalizes-gold-and-silver-currency

Forbes: Return to Gold Standard Within Five Years
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/7465-forbes-return-to-gold-standard-within-five-years

Fed Up with the Fed?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/thomas-sowell/7339-fed-up-with-the-fed

Bernanke Press Conference Proclaims Inflation Not a Problem
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors-mainmenu-46/7288-bernanke-press-conference-proclaims-inflation-not-a-problem

Mending Our Monetary Maladies
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/7258-mending-our-monetary-maladies

Fed on the Ropes? Bernanke to Hold Press Conferences
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/7210-federal-reserve-on-the-ropes-bernanke-decides-to-hold-press-conferences

Rep. Paul Plans Hearing on Fed’s Foreign Bailouts
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/6976-rep-paul-plans-hearing-on-feds-foreign-bailouts

Fed Showered Money On Foreign Banks
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/6946-documents-fed-showered-money-on-foreign-banks

Tenn. Joins States Considering Alternate Currency Legislation
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/6880-tennessee-joins-states-considering-alternate-currency-legislation

Beck Interviews Griffin, Exposes Fed
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/6850-beck-interviews-griffin-exposes-fed

Thomas Woods: On the Fed, Nullification, and Rollback
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6796-thomas-woods-on-the-fed-nullification-and-rollback

Ron and Rand Paul Introduce “Audit the Fed” Legislation
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/6100-ron-and-rand-paul-introduce-audit-the-fed-legislation

Fed Uses Accounting Gimmick to Hide Losses
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/6015-fed-uses-accounting-gimmick-to-hide-losses

Virginia Considers Dollar Collapse, Gold Currency
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/5951-virginia-considers-dollar-collapse-gold-currency

Bernanke's Christmas Present: Chairman Ron Paul
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/5465-bernankes-christmas-present-charman-paul

Fed Data Reveals Trillions in Bailouts to Big Foreign Banks
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors-mainmenu-46/5371-fed-data-reveals-trillions-in-bailouts-to-big-foreign-banks

Ben Bernanke’s Worst Nightmare: Chairman Ron Paul
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/5104-ben-bernankes-worst-nightmare-chairman-ron-paul

Ron Paul Calls for Audit of U.S. Gold Reserves
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/4424-ron-paul-calls-for-audit-of-us-gold-reserves

Banks, Analysts Warn of Massive Money Printing Ahead
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/3919-banks-analysts-warn-of-massive-money-printing-ahead

Alternative Currencies
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/3738-alternative-currencies

Fed Manipulations in the Crosshairs
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/3731-fed-manipulations-in-the-crosshairs

Time to Audit the Fed
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/3611-time-to-audit-the-fed

Ron Paul: Auditing the Fed is Responsibility of Congress
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/3543-ron-paul-auditing-the-fed-is-responsibility-of-congress

Austrian Economics Rising
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/3323-austrian-economics-rising

"Bankster" Cabal Conspiracy Going Mainstream?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/2867-qbanksterq-cabal-conspiracy-going-mainstream

The Fed: Forever Blowing Bubbles
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/2735-the-fed-forever-blowing-bubbles

Ron Paul Calls for Competition in Money
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors-mainmenu-46/2534-ron-paul-calls-for-competition-in-money

Bernanke Attacks Ron Paul's Audit the Fed Bill
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/2422-bernanke-attacks-ron-pauls-audit-the-fed-bill

Ron Paul on "End the Fed"
http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/chip-wood/2417-ron-paul-on-qend-the-fedq

Federal Reserve Has Become a Focal Point of Public Anger
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/2406-federal-reserve-has-become-a-focal-point-of-public-anger

Ron Paul's Audit the Fed Bill Advances
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors-mainmenu-46/2365-ron-pauls-audit-the-fed-bill-advances

A Review of "End the Fed" by Ron Paul
http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/books/1860-a-review-of-end-the-fed-by-ron-paul

Ad infinitum ...

[heavenlyboy34]

Every liberty-oriented organization will be criticized heavily by the media. Groups like JBS are no different. The fact that Lefties, like Maddow, don't even let them present their views, while viciously attacking them, is disturbing.

True. JBS gets hammered on neocon radio in Phoenix(particularly KFYI), same as RP and anyone that challenges the GOP establishment.

[acptulsa]

True. JBS gets hammered on neocon radio in Phoenix(particularly KFYI), same as RP and anyone that challenges the establishment.

Fixed that for you. There is only The Establishment. The Establishment that Goldwater made a career in by fighting tooth and nail. And Ron Paul too.

And regarless of how much antipathy you may have toward our Constitution, The Establishment hates it more.

[Carehn]

You know to this day i don't know all that much about the JBS. I know a guy working for them and he seemed down with the times. I'v come across the JBS a bunch and never looked into it, though everything I know about them seems to be alright with me. I do think it may get a little religious for myself but in a way i can live with.

[Travlyr]

I wouldnt say he is. Hell last campaign the AJ fans stumbled into the meetups wild-eyed with no idea what to do. The JBS people took their hand and showed them how to be activists. How to get booths at events and hand out materials and talk to people, how to print out voter lists along with maps and go door to door. They worked together in my area, no problem.

Alex Jones is exposing the Bilderbergers.

[LibertyEagle]

"
Support Your Local Police.

This effort prevented the nationalization of local police departments and various other forms of federal government regulation of our local police. It led to the federal agency known as the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) being abolished. Support Your Local “Whatever” then became a widely used slogan adopted by others because of the acceptance of our “Support Your Local Police” slogan. Our committees also led to the defeat of communist-inspired police review boards which were designed to hamper local police departments by destroying morale and impeding their work in countering crime and terrorism."

I wouldn't consider this^^ an "achievement". Government police (even local ones) are neither Constitutional nor conducive to liberty.

I asked my Mother about this once and she told me that they reason they did that was because there was a deep concern that what would end up happening is that a national police force would be established. So, they wanted to do what they could to keep this function at the local level, where they could have much more control over their actions and their leadership. Thus, Support Your Local Police.

Unfortunately, the JBS foresaw what ended up happening. :(

[Carehn]

I wouldnt say he is. Hell last campaign the AJ fans stumbled into the meetups wild-eyed with no idea what to do. The JBS people took their hand and showed them how to be activists. How to get booths at events and hand out materials and talk to people, how to print out voter lists along with maps and go door to door. They worked together in my area, no problem.

Come to think of it thats kinda what happened in my neck of the woods... Dunt Dunt DAHHH!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk-J4aHH9Sk

[specsaregood]

Alex Jones is exposing the Bilderbergers.

I'm pretty sure the JBS has been doing that for years too. That's pretty lightweight.
Find somebody with a decade plus of copies of the new american magazine and it will blow your mind at the stuff they were exposing before anybody ever knew about AJ.
http://www.google.com/#&q=site:www.thenewamerican.com+bilderberg

[BamaAla]

I never knew a lot about JBS until I came to this forum (as a lurker in 2008.) Frank's postings prompted me to look into their organization; fast forward to today and I'm a paid member of only two groups and one of them is JBS.

I may not agree with them on every issue, but I don't agree with Ron Paul on every issue; however, I think they are one of the best of the best.

[Travlyr]

I do see JBS as allied with us now. Thanks folks.

[FrankRep]

I asked my Mother about this once and she told me that they reason they did that was because there was a deep concern that what would end up happening is that a national police force would be established. So, they wanted to do what they could to keep this function at the local level, where they could have much more control over their actions and their leadership. Thus, Support Your Local Police.

Unfortunately, the JBS foresaw what ended up happening. :(


http://fp.users.fast.net/InfoQuest/images/SYLP_2.jpg


For over 40 years The John Birch Society has supported the often unsung and heroic efforts of America's local police.

The Society launched the "Support Your Local Police" program and slogan (which became nationally recognized through automobile decals) in 1963. The on-going campaign is designed to counter dangerous law enforcement proposals that often arise during civil unrest and after incidences such as the arrest of Rodney King. Through its spokesmen, programs, and printed information, The John Birch Society invites citizens everywhere to discover why the healthy existence of local law enforcement is critical to maintaining American freedom.


Recommended Reading

What Can Be Done (http://web.archive.org/web/20021012103420/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/10-07-2002/vo18no20_lastword.htm) - October 7, 2002
The answer to terrorism lies not in granting Gestapo-like police powers to the federal government but in restoring legitimate internal security measures.

Local Police Under Siege (http://web.archive.org/web/20000815225355/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no10/vo14no10_police.htm) - May 11, 1998
The local police officer is in danger of extinction - not from the violence and turmoil he faces daily on the streets - but at the hands of the federal government that wants his job

Erasing the "Thin Blue Line" (http://web.archive.org/web/20011130213239/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/09-24-2001/vo17no20_enforcement.htm) - September 24, 2001
Often accused of racism and frequently facing federal probes into their conduct, police across the nation are pulling out of minority neighborhoods.

Police, Race & Cincinnati's Riots (http://web.archive.org/web/20010613024422/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/05-21-2001/vo17no11_police.htm) - May 21, 2001
by Robert W. Lee - The independence of America's local police is being threatened by a double-team attack of revolutionary thugs on the street and scheming politicians at the federal level.

Propagandizing the Police (http://web.archive.org/web/20000817085759/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/11-08-99/vo15no23_police.htm) - November 8, 1999
Leftist "watchdogs" posing as experts on extremism are advising police agencies in "preemptive" law enforcement. The resulting dragnet will increasingly target law-abiding gun owners, pro-lifers, home schoolers, and other foes of the total state.

What the Sheriff Said (http://web.archive.org/web/20001030133950/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/11-08-99/vo15no23_sheriff.htm) - November 8, 1999
A scourge of immorality is responsible for the crime and violence we see in our society. The solution is for our nation to return to God.

From KGB to American Cop (http://web.archive.org/web/20000204154831/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1996/vo12no26/vo12no26_kgb.htm) - December 23, 1996
As an agent of the Soviet KGB, Emin Gadzhiyev was a sworn enemy of the United States. Now he is training to be a policeman here.

[FrankRep]

..

[Travlyr]

For over 40 years The John Birch Society has supported the often unsung and heroic efforts of America's local police.

The Society launched the "Support Your Local Police" program and slogan (which became nationally recognized through automobile decals) in 1963. The on-going campaign is designed to counter dangerous law enforcement proposals that often arise during civil unrest and after incidences such as the arrest of Rodney King. Through its spokesmen, programs, and printed information, The John Birch Society invites citizens everywhere to discover why the healthy existence of local law enforcement is critical to maintaining American freedom.

So are they for freedom or against it? The police are not constitutional and have caused a lot of grief over the years.

:confused:

[FrankRep]

So are they for freedom or against it? The police are not constitutional and have caused a lot of grief over the years.

Local (state/county) police are Constitutional under the 10th Amendment. State Issue!

Federal Police are UnConstitutional.

[acptulsa]

So are they for freedom or against it? The police are not constitutional and have caused a lot of grief over the years.

:confused:

Hasn't the Department of Homeland Security convinced you yet that local police, though never perfect, beat the snot out of federal police? At least they are answerable to the people they serve. When you have federal police, or the federal government paying your police to jump through federal hoops, then you have to convince about twenty million voters to help you fix your local department. If your community has control of them, you just have to get the local crooks out of office in a local election.

[Carehn]

So are they for freedom or against it? The police are not constitutional and have caused a lot of grief over the years.

:confused:
I think they where trying to hold on to the idea of andy griffith. It would be a lot better then what we have now, but i see what your saying. Its like knowing the EPA is not constitutional but till willing to vote to have it controlled at a local level. I don't know though. They could be crazy statists.

[Travlyr]

I think they where trying to hold on to the idea of andy griffith. It would be a lot better then what we have now, but i see what your saying. Its like knowing the EPA is not constitutional but till willing to vote to have it controlled at a local level. I don't know though. They could be crazy statists.

Yeah, I could go for Andy Griffith style police. But what we have today is not good.

[Travlyr]

Hasn't the Department of Homeland Security convinced you yet that local police, though never perfect, beat the snot out of federal police? At least they are answerable to the people they serve. When you have federal police, or the federal government paying your police to jump through federal hoops, then you have to convince about twenty million voters to help you fix your local department. If your community has control of them, you just have to get the local crooks out of office in a local election.

And that is why I started out railing against JBS. They tried to stop the federal police... and failed. Patriot Act, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and on and on.

However, it seems that they might be onboard with the liberty movement in the last couple of years. I don't yet know. Still skeptic.

[specsaregood]

And that is why I started out railing against JBS. They tried to stop the federal police... and failed. Patriot Act, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and on and on.

However, it seems that they might be onboard with the liberty movement in the last couple of years. I don't yet know. Still skeptic.

LOL, by that standard every liberty minded person or organization has failed. YOU have failed. AJ has failed, the LP has failed, the CP has failed and thousands of others.

[FrankRep]

Where is stopping the Income Tax, or putting a stop to the Counterfeiting Cabal?

If JBS will not support the constitutional principles, then perhaps that is why they have been ineffective for so long. The Income Tax is a Marxist doctrine.

Here. Now chill out.

2011 - Fair Tax? Flat Tax? The Case for No Tax (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7681-fair-tax-flat-tax-the-case-for-no-tax)

Discussing Flat Tax v. Fair Tax is a time-waster; the solution is to greatly reduce the size, power, and cost of government itself, and have no taxes at all.

[Travlyr]

Here. Now chill out.

2011 - Fair Tax? Flat Tax? The Case for No Tax (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7681-fair-tax-flat-tax-the-case-for-no-tax)

Discussing Flat Tax v. Fair Tax is a time-waster; the solution is to greatly reduce the size, power, and cost of government itself, and have no taxes at all.

Chillin.

What is the JBS mission statement?

[FrankRep]

What is the JBS mission statement?

John Birch Society - About (http://www.jbs.org/about)

John Birch Society - Core Principles (http://www.jbs.org/core-principles)

Mission


To bring about less government, more responsibility, and -- with God's help -- a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles.


What is The John Birch Society? (1965)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg6ixwmcMcc

[NewRightLibertarian]

This is an eerily prophetic speech from the JBS founder in the 1970s:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GBW9rdGeEI

[FrankRep]

This is an eerily prophetic speech from the JBS founder in the 1970s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GBW9rdGeEI

Robert Welch originally said that in 1958! The second part of the speech was in 1974.

[emazur]

And that is why I started out railing against JBS. They tried to stop the federal police... and failed. Patriot Act, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, and on and on.

However, it seems that they might be onboard with the liberty movement in the last couple of years. I don't yet know. Still skeptic.

It's not just the last couple years, they've been onboard a looong time. And they are effective - they are very involved in the 9/12 Project and Tea Party, making great strides to educate people on the issues. When Sheriff Mack came to my town to deliver a speech, it was a JBS local branch member who gave the introduction and there were a lot of 9/12ers and Tea Partiers there as well as Campaign for Liberty. Remember the Glenn Beck episode with G. Edward Griffin (who is also a JBS member and has been recommending them for years)? Remember that Beck said people were constantly hounding him to read Creature from Jekyll Island? I have no doubt that the JBS can be thanked for that.

Their magazine, The New American, is excellent and well researched and well cited. I like it better than their website which often has 'rightwing freakout of the day' articles that blame everything wrong under the sun on atheists, gays, and Muslims.

[FrankRep]

1959 - The John Birch Society: The Original Tea Party Movement


http://johnbirchsocietyvolunteers.netboots.net/sites/johnbirchsocietyvolunteers.netboots.net/files/imagecache/original/images/Jim_Capo/BirchTeaParty1959.png

[BamaAla]

It's not just the last couple years, they've been onboard a looong time. And they are effective - they are very involved in the 9/12 Project and Tea Party, making great strides to educate people on the issues. When Sheriff Mack came to my town to deliver a speech, it was a JBS local branch member who gave the introduction and there were a lot of 9/12ers and Tea Partiers there as well as Campaign for Liberty. Remember the Glenn Beck episode with G. Edward Griffin (who is also a JBS member and has been recommending them for years)? Remember that Beck said people were constantly hounding him to read Creature from Jekyll Island? I have no doubt that the JBS can be thanked for that.

Their magazine, The New American, is excellent and well researched and well cited. I like it better than their website which often has 'rightwing freakout of the day' articles that blame everything wrong under the sun on atheists, gays, and Muslims.


Solid! I agree; their magazine is top notch. The recent issue with the write up on "Operation Gun Runner" was magnificent.

[FrankRep]

Solid! I agree; their magazine is top notch. The recent issue with the write up on "Operation Gun Runner" was magnificent.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/08aMay/2711-cs-gun.jpg (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/tna/subscriptions/1-year-standard-subscription.html)


In Project Gunrunner, the ATF purposely allowed over a thousand guns, perhaps many thousands, to be sold to Mexico drug cartels.

Project Gunrunner (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/7599-project-gunrunner)

[LibertyEagle]

I know a lot more about history than you may think. JBS is not the problem, but it is time for them to help us win our freedoms back instead of simply reporting what the globalists want us to hear.

Help US? They have been fighting this battle before you were an itch in your Daddy's pants. It's nice to finally see you waking the hell up and joining the party.

[heavenlyboy34]

Local (state/county) police are Constitutional under the 10th Amendment. State Issue!

Federal Police are UnConstitutional.
False. Re-read post 39 on this thread. Government police are an affront to liberty. You're right about Fed-cops, though.

[FrankRep]

False. Re-read post 39 on this thread. You're right about Fed-cops, though.
Has Ron Paul called for the Abolishment of the Police Force (not the ATF)? I seriously doubt it.

[heavenlyboy34]

Has Ron Paul called for the Abolishment of the Police Force (not the ATF)? I seriously doubt it.
Appealing to authority doesn't impress me. ;) RP is a constitutionalist. It goes without saying that the police would have to be eliminated if the Constitution were implemented. (everything that isn't in the Constititution must go)

[LibertyEagle]

His point was that local police forces are not unconstitutional and they are not.

The Constitution guarantees a republican form of government for each state. It does not dictate their every decision. Remember the notion that one size does not fit all? Perhaps if we get that far, you will find a state whose people choose not to have police.

[Anti Federalist]

Has Ron Paul called for the Abolishment of the Police Force (not the ATF)? I seriously doubt it.

His statements seem to indicate that if those local forces are militarized and under Fed Control, then yes, they are dangerous and not to be tolerated:


Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.

[Captain America]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PAJJ5eRvQw

[FrankRep]

His statements seem to indicate that if those local forces are militarized and under Fed Control, then yes, they are dangerous and not to be tolerated:
Yes, Federal Police = UnConstitutional.

Show me where Ron Paul wants to abolish the Local (State/County) Police.

[FrankRep]

Does Ron Paul want to abolish the Local (State/County) Police?

[acptulsa]

Does Ron Paul want to abolish the Local (State/County) Police?

It has been my observation that Ron Paul is in federal office, and running for another federal office, figures there's enough to worry about on the federal level, and believes in the Tenth Amendment to such a degree that a federal officer shouldn't even try to influence the state/local level debate.

[FrankRep]

Daily Kos Joins the Hate..

John Birch Society thanks the Koch family (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/11/984197/-John-Birch-Society-thanks-the-Koch-family)

Daily Kos
Jun 11, 2011



I have something of a personal grudge against the John Birch society. When my father got out of the Navy after 20+ years he went to school and got a degree in education, specializing in government and anthropology. He was eventually hired to teach government at a high school in a small town in California.

The reason the job was available was that the John Birch society had managed to take 3 of the 5 seats on the school board, and had fired the previous government teacher as a pinko of some sort.

When Dad came in and began teaching US Government in a more or less factual manner, using a text that compared and contrasted the US system with the Soviet system, the JB board members decided it was time for a repeat. The community fought back. I was a small child at the time, but the climax of that battle was told to me several times as it was rather epic.

Board meeting takes place. Subject: fire Dad, or not. Room is packed. Tensions are running high. And just before the meeting starts ...

[Travlyr]

Help US? They have been fighting this battle before you were an itch in your Daddy's pants. It's nice to finally see you waking the hell up and joining the party.

Yes, help us. Inflammatory statements are not necessary, LE. I was looking for this information in the 60's, 70's, and started finding some of it in the 80's. The John Birch Society was not being presented on ABC, CBS, NBC, or, on radio, in my schools, or neighborhood. The first time I saw the video of Robert Welch making his 1958 speech was on YouTube a few years ago.

Larry McDonald seems honorable. John McManus may be honorable as well. But Robert Welch's antics did not provide the JBS with honorable credibility from the start.

The John Birch Society was co-opted from the beginning and even today JBS stinks to high heaven with Hegelian dialectic for discerning minds.

Eustace Mullins: (http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm)
JBS was setup by Nelson Rockefeller. I knew two people at the original meeting. They needed a right-wing, anti-communist organization. NR decided that Robert Welch was the man to run JBS, so he arranged for the sale of Welch's Candy Co. (where Robert Welch had been working for his brother John) to Nabisco (which was a Rockefeller controlled company) at a highly inflated price and Welch was given an income to run the John Birch Society.

Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because he had a revolving fund at Chase Manhattan Bank, and whenever Welch needed a quarter million dollars to meet the payroll, he'd go to CMB and withdraw the money.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8NQvMTtQ6Q

Note: FrankRep, before you go discrediting Eustace and Revilo, again, by claiming they are racist anti-Semites know this. There is only one of two reasons for you to keep doing that.

You haven't read Eustace's "The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" so you don't know what you are talking about.
Or, you are well aware of what you are doing.

Timeline Facts:

Eustace wrote "Mullins on The Federal Reserve" (1952) the first nationally distributed book to expose the Jekyll Island conspiracy.
JBS established in 1958 -- knew the truth -- but did not publish the truth for 18 years.
Eustace worked to expose the conspiracy within JBS from the start but was continually ignored and demonized by the powers-that-be.
Gary Allen's book, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" finally, finally published in (JBS, 1976)


It was not until Ron Paul ran for president and I read his books that finally led me to the truth about the central banking counterfeiting cabal and their tyrannical control.

So no, LE. I will not be joining the John Birch Society until I am certain that they have joined us. I will know that for a fact when they consistently, and persistently, call for ending the counterfeiting cabal controlling us and stop discrediting people in the liberty movement. Perhaps they now are doing that. Time will tell.

[Travlyr]

That's what I thought, FrankRep. You know exactly what you are doing.

Edit: This comment may no longer make sense in the conversation because the moderator deleted FrankRep's post above it as it was libelous against me and in violation of forum rules of conduct.

[FrankRep]

JBS was setup by Nelson Rockefeller.

Listen up.... Again...


Nelson Rockefeller's Nabisco Company bought James O. Welch's Candy Company. James O. Welch is Robert Welch's brother.


Saying that Nelson Rockefeller funded or setup the John Birch Society is a complete lie.

Here's the story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Welch,_Jr.


Robert Welch decided to manufacture candy as a way to earn a living, describing it as "the one field in which it seemed least impossible to get started without either capital or experience." He founded the Oxford Candy Company in Brooklyn, New York, which was a one-man operation until he hired his brother James to assist him. James Welch left to start his own candy company in 1925.
...

The Oxford Candy Company went out of business during the Great Depression, but his brother's company, the James O. Welch Company, survived, and Robert was hired by his brother. The company began making caramel lollipops, renamed Sugar Daddies, and Welch developed other well known candies such as Sugar Babies, Junior Mints, and Pom Poms. Welch retired a wealthy man in 1956.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/01/us/james-o-welch-dies-at-79-founder-of-candy-company.html


In 1963 the National Biscuit Company, now Nabisco Brands Inc., bought Mr. Welch's company. Mr. Welch was a director of Nabisco from 1963 until his retirement in 1978. His son, James O. Welch Jr., of Short Hills, N.J., is president of Nabisco.

[Travlyr]

Wikipedia and New York Times, Frank? Seriously? That is your source for truth?

Look, I like some of the things that the John Birch Society exposes. But I am a good conspiracy theorist ... always questioning everything I'm told. Hegelian Dialect is an effective obfuscation technique of the truth. I see a lot of it in the New American.

[LibertyEagle]

That's what I thought, FrankRep. You know exactly what you are doing.

What are you talking about? He has shown you over and over again, that you are incorrect about Revillo and Mullins with regard to their anti-semitism. They were. It is just a fact.

That doesn't mean Mullins' book about the Federal Reserve was bad. But, I certainly can understand why the JBS had to distance themselves from him. Look at his other books, man! Why is that so hard for you to understand? Since they were gaining such inroads with the American public, there was a huge effort to undermine and slander them. They had to be very careful who they were seen to associate with. I recall them being very picky about who they let join the JBS. There was a strict code of ethics and if you broke it, they would kick you out. They were extremely principled.

You are also wrong about the founding of the JBS, but I will leave that to Frank to tell you about. :)

[FrankRep]

Wikipedia and New York Times, Frank? Seriously? That is your source for truth?

Look, I like some of the things that the John Birch Society exposes. But I am a good conspiracy theorist ... always questioning everything I'm told. Hegelian Dialect is an effective obfuscation technique of the truth. I see a lot of it in the New American.

Your attacks on the John Birch Society are unfounded and baseless. I question if you have any interest in the truth.

[Travlyr]

What are you talking about? He has shown you over and over again, that you are incorrect about Revillo and Mullins with regard to their anti-semitism. They were. It is just a fact.

That doesn't mean Mullins' book about the Federal Reserve was bad. But, I certainly can understand why the JBS had to distance themselves from him. Look at his other books, man! Why is that so hard for you to understand? Since they were gaining such inroads with the American public, there was a huge effort to undermine and slander them. They had to be very careful who they were seen to associate with. I recall them being very picky about who they let join the JBS. There was a strict code of ethics and if you broke it, they would kick you out. They were extremely principled.

You are also wrong about the founding of the JBS, but I will leave that to Frank to tell you about. :)
Re-read "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins and show me where he is anti-Semitic, racist, or a liar, please.

[LibertyEagle]

Wikipedia and New York Times, Frank? Seriously? That is your source for truth?

Look, I like some of the things that the John Birch Society exposes. But I am a good conspiracy theorist ... always questioning everything I'm told. Hegelian Dialect is an effective obfuscation technique of the truth. I see a lot of it in the New American.

That's fine, but before making another post smearing the JBS, perhaps you could utilize your self-professed expertise as a conspiracy theorist to fact-check your information a bit more. ;)

[LibertyEagle]

Re-read "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins and show me where he is anti-Semitic, racist, or a liar, please.

I am talking about his other books. Did you see the titles of them?

I like his book on the Federal Reserve, but I did find it much harder to read than the one by Griffins, though. But, it was only Mullins' who had the direct connection to Ezra Pound. So, I think very interested parties should read both of them.

[Travlyr]

I'm not smearing the JBS. I'm pointing to facts. Negate the facts that I pointed out.

[Travlyr]

I am talking about his other books. Did you see the titles of them?

I'm talking about the book he wrote in the 40's before he was trashed by the powers in charge.

[FrankRep]

Re-read "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins and show me where he is anti-Semitic, racist, or a liar, please.

Listen Up.... Again....


Eustace Mullins wrote anti-Jewish stuff. Just look:

Eustace Mullins > Books and Pamphlets and other works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins#Works)


- Mullins' New History of the Jews, The International Institute of Jewish Studies

- Boycott: The Jewish Weapon
- The Holocaust Explained
- Jesse Jackson And The Jews'', corner-stapled report, 7 pages
- Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
- Jewish War Against The Western World

[Travlyr]

Listen Up.... Again....


Eustace Mullins wrote anti-Jewish stuff. Just look:

Eustace Mullins > Books and Pamphlets and other works (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins#Works)


- Mullins' New History of the Jews, The International Institute of Jewish Studies

- Boycott: The Jewish Weapon
- The Holocaust Explained
- Jesse Jackson And The Jews'', corner-stapled report, 7 pages
- Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
- Jewish War Against The Western World

All after "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" was ignored by nearly everyone that had opportunity to help him.

Have you read "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins, Frank?

[FrankRep]

All after "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" was ignored by nearly everyone that had opportunity to help him.

Have you read "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins, Frank?

The John Birch Society rejected Eustace Mullins and Revilo Oliver's anti-Jewish viewpoints.

Get Over It!

[Travlyr]

The John Birch Society rejected Eustace Mullins and Revilo Oliver's anti-Jewish viewpoints.

Not really the whole truth now is it? Rejected, yes. Over anti-Jewish viewpoints, no.

[FrankRep]

Not really the whole truth now is it? Rejected, yes. Over anti-Jewish viewpoints, no.
Mullins/Oliver claim the Jews control the world and they deny the Holocaust. The JBS doesn't want to be associated with that.

Think about it logically.

[Travlyr]

Mullins/Oliver claim the Jews control the world and they deny the Holocaust. The JBS doesn't want to be associated with that.

Think about it logically.

Logically, none of that was a primary issue in 1958, and none of it was present in "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" either.

[FrankRep]

Logically, none of that was a primary issue in 1958, and none of it was present in "The Secrets of The Federal Reserve" either.
Mullins/Oliver claim the Jews control the world and they deny the Holocaust.

THEY ARE WRONG.

[Travlyr]

Not all Jews are of Jewish faith.

The Rothschild Dynasty co-opted the Jewish religion in order to cover their dastardly deeds. That's what Mullins was referring to... not all Jews.

[LibertyEagle]

Not all Jews are of Jewish faith.

The Rothschild Dynasty co-opted the Jewish religion in order to cover their dastardly deeds. That's what Mullins was referring to... not all Jews.

I agree about Rothschild, but how do you explain these other works by Mullins?


- Mullins' New History of the Jews, The International Institute of Jewish Studies

- Boycott: The Jewish Weapon
- The Holocaust Explained
- Jesse Jackson And The Jews'', corner-stapled report, 7 pages
- Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
- Jewish War Against The Western World

[FrankRep]

Not all Jews are of Jewish faith.

The Rothschild Dynasty co-opted the Jewish religion in order to cover their dastardly deeds. That's what Mullins was referring to... not all Jews.

The Truth finally comes out, Travlyr. You feel that the Rothschilds control the Jewish Religion and, through that, the Rothschilds/Jews control the world.

You Hate the John Birch Society because they reject your viewpoint on the Jews, therefore, they're evil and secretly controlled as well.

[Travlyr]

I agree about Rothschild, but how do you explain these other works by Mullins?

Nobody is perfect, and I don't explain those.

I just know that Eustace Mullins is the premier authority on how and why the international central banks took control of governments worldwide, perpetuate wars for profit, debase currency for wealth transference from the people to the elite, and control societies.

[Travlyr]

The Truth finally comes out, Travlyr. You feel that the Rothschilds control the Jewish Religion and, through that, the Rothschilds/Jews control the world.

You Hate the John Birch Society because they reject your viewpoint on the Jews, therefore, they're evil and secretly controlled as well.

That's not really what I said, now is it?

[FrankRep]

Nobody is perfect, and I don't explain those.

I just know that Eustace Mullins is the premier authority on how and why the international central banks took control of governments worldwide, perpetuate wars for profit, debase currency for wealth transference from the people to the elite, and control societies.

Again....

Mullins/Oliver claim the Jews control the world and they deny the Holocaust. The JBS doesn't want to be associated with that.

[FrankRep]

That's not really what I said, now is it?


The Rothschild Dynasty co-opted the Jewish religion in order to cover their dastardly deeds.

That is what you said. "The Rothschilds co-opted the Jewish religion"

[Travlyr]

That is what you said. "The Rothschilds co-opted the Jewish religion"

No, they ducked under the cover of the Jewish faith in order to hide their deeds.

[LibertyEagle]

No, they ducked under the cover of the Jewish faith in order to hide their deeds.

What deeds?

[FrankRep]

No, they ducked under the cover of the Jewish faith in order to hide their deeds.

Wait, explain these writings by Eustace Mullins again:


- Mullins' New History of the Jews, The International Institute of Jewish Studies

- Boycott: The Jewish Weapon
- The Holocaust Explained
- Jesse Jackson And The Jews'', corner-stapled report, 7 pages
- Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
- Jewish War Against The Western World

[Travlyr]

What deeds?

Instituting the central bank in America. Paul Warburg, Max Warburg, et. al. and their shenanigans.

[LibertyEagle]

Instituting the central bank in America. Paul Warburg, Max Warburg, et. al. and their shenanigans.

Gotcha.

[heavenlyboy34]

Wait, explain these writings by Eustace Mullins again:


- Mullins' New History of the Jews, The International Institute of Jewish Studies

- Boycott: The Jewish Weapon
- The Holocaust Explained
- Jesse Jackson And The Jews'', corner-stapled report, 7 pages
- Jewish TV: Sick, Sick, Sick
- Jewish War Against The Western World
I haven't read these books, and am not very familiar with Mullins' work-but he could be referring to Jewish zionism rather than Jews in general. Perhaps a Mullins expert in here could clarify?

[Dreamofunity]

JBS has some good positions; however, there are also issues I completely disagree with them on, so much so that I choose to ignore JBS all together and instead find information on the good positions from other organizations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbKjhj5RNo

I personally am turned off by most of what I hear from John McManus in that video. He can hold those positions all he wants, and I'm glad he holds property rights above his other feelings ("it's not our decision whether GOProud are here", etc) however I'd rather just get anti-fed arguments from a different organization.

[FrankRep]

Bombshell: The John Birch Society is a Constitutionalist, Conservative organization!



JBS has some good positions; however, there are also issues I completely disagree with them on, so much so that I choose to ignore JBS all together and instead find information on the good positions from other organizations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbKjhj5RNo

I personally am turned off by most of what I hear from John McManus in that video. He can hold those positions all he wants, and I'm glad he holds property rights above his other feelings ("it's not our decision whether GOProud are here", etc) however I'd rather just get anti-fed arguments from a different organization.

[doodle]

Where does JBS stand on Iraq invasion, US tax payers military and financial aid to Israel/mideast oppressors, enhanced gropings of Americans daughters and sons at airports/trains stations by Obama agencies?

Same question for "Think Progress".

[FrankRep]

Where does JBS stand on Iraq invasion, US tax payers military and financial aid to Israel/mideast oppressors, enhanced gropings of Americans daughters and sons at airports/trains stations by Obama agencies?

Same question for "Think Progress".

The John Birch Society:

- Against the Iraq Invasion
- Against ALL Foreign Aid
- Against Patriot Act/Homeland Security
- Against the TSA

[lester1/2jr]

I believe that an integrated society has done more harm than good, so if segregation was their stance, I say more power to them.

uhh... kind of proving their point aren't you?

[Travlyr]

Other than Eustace Mullins saying that Revilo Oliver was a friend of his, I know nothing about the works Dr. Oliver.

It makes no sense for me to promote somebody that I know nothing about. Someday, I may read up on Dr. Revilo Oliver to find out what he had to say. Until then I am not promoting whatever it is that he said or did.

This is just another example of FrankRep lying to discredit someone in the liberty movement.

[FrankRep]

Just for clarification. FrankRep is a liar. This post is a total bullshit lie.

Other than Eustace Mullins saying that Revilo Oliver was a friend of his, I know nothing about the works Dr. Oliver.

Eustace Mullins says Revilo Oliver told him all this information about the John Birch Society.

Check your sources, dude!


An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins (http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm)


Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because ....

[Travlyr]

I am still not promoting somebody I know nothing about.

[FrankRep]

I am still not promoting somebody I know nothing about.

Read a little bit...


An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins (http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm)


Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because ....

[Travlyr]

I am not promoting one of the founders of the John Birch Society because I have not yet read anything he wrote. If I ever do read some of Revilo Oliver's works, at that time I will determine if I chose to promote him.

Until then, you are a liar misrepresenting my position, FrankRep.

[FrankRep]

Until then, you are a liar misrepresenting my position, FrankRep.
No, Eustace Mullins and Revilo Oliver are liars. You quoted them and I busted you for it.

[Travlyr]

No, Eustace Mullins and Revilo Oliver are liars. You quoted them and I busted you for it.

By saying that I promote somebody that I don't promote?

I do not promote Revilo Oliver's works whatever they are.

I do promote Eustace Mullins and his works. If Eustace Mullins is lying about Nelson Rockefeller funding the John Birch Society, then refute that. But don't go around the world telling lies about me.

[FrankRep]

If Eustace Mullins is lying about Nelson Rockefeller funding the John Birch Society, then refute that. But don't go around the world telling lies about me.

Eustace Mullins is Quoting Revilo Oliver.

Read a little bit...


An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins (http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm)


Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because ....

[Travlyr]

And then you posted an entire page with a picture of a book I've never seen saying that I promote the author of "The Jewish Strategy"

And I do not promote that. That is a lie, FrankRep. Travlyr does not promote Revilo Oliver.

[FrankRep]

And then you posted an entire page with a picture of a book I've never seen saying that I promote the author of "The Jewish Strategy"

And I do not promote that. That is a lie, FrankRep. Travlyr does not promote Revilo Oliver.

Eustace Mullins Quoted Revilo Oliver to attack the John Birch Society. You Opened That Door.

[Travlyr]

FrankRep -

You are in violation of forum rules of conduct.


Code of Ethics: Site members are expected to uphold an ethic standard as follows:

+ Be honest and truthful.
+ Respect others life, liberty and property.
+ Respect others copyrights and intellectual property, per legal standards.
+ Work to promote a peaceful, freedom loving, compassionate society.
+ Operate within established morally sound laws.

I do not support Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy" because I have not read it and do not know anything about it. You posted that I do support it which is a lie in violation of forum rules.

You are violating the be honest and truthful rule, and you are guilty of libel by misrepresenting my position which is in violation of established morally sound laws.

[FrankRep]

I do not support Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy" because I have not read it and do not know anything about it. You posted that I do support it which is a lie in violation of forum rules.

Listen... Again....

Eustace Mullins Quoted Revilo Oliver to attack the John Birch Society.


Your Source -->

An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins (http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm)


Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because ....

[Travlyr]

Edit that post, take that post down, and quit lying about me.

[LibertyEagle]

Edit that post, take that post down, and quit lying about me.

To be fair, you did include a quote by Mullins where he referenced Revillo's beliefs about the JBS and you presented it as evidence.


"Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because he had a revolving fund at Chase Manhattan Bank, and whenever Welch needed a quarter million dollars to meet the payroll, he'd go to CMB and withdraw the money.


By saying that I promote somebody that I don't promote?

I do not promote Revilo Oliver's works whatever they are.

But, you did post his opinion of the JBS, which is the source that Mullins espoused for his beliefs.


I do promote Eustace Mullins and his works. If Eustace Mullins is lying about Nelson Rockefeller funding the John Birch Society, then refute that. But don't go around the world telling lies about me.
Again, Mullins got his information from Revillo; Mullins was quoting REVILLO's so-called facts about Rockefeller. And yes, THAT, you were promoting and presenting as fact in this very thread.

[Travlyr]

What does Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy" say?

Does he hate the Jews? Or does he like the Jews? I am indifferent.

Posting that I support "The Jewish Strategy" is not true; which is a lie which makes FrankRep guilty of libel until it is removed.

[LibertyEagle]

What does Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy" say?

Does he hate the Jews? Or does he like the Jews? I am indifferent.

Posting that I support "The Jewish Strategy" is not true; which is a lie which makes FrankRep guilty of libel until it is removed.

Personally, I didn't read the book. But, yeah, if he said you supported the book, that isn't fair. Where did he say that? All I saw was him saying you promoted the MAN who wrote the book.

[Travlyr]

Post removed. Thank you.

[FrankRep]

FrankRep -

You are in violation of forum rules of conduct.



I do not support Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy" because I have not read it and do not know anything about it. You posted that I do support it which is a lie in violation of forum rules.

You are violating the be honest and truthful rule, and you are guilty of libel by misrepresenting my position which is in violation of established morally sound laws.


Personally, I didn't read the book. But, yeah, if he said you supported the book, that isn't fair. Where did he say that? All I saw was him saying you promoted the MAN who wrote the book.

I Never said Travlyr supported Revilo Oliver's book "The Jewish Strategy."

I said Revilo Oliver wrote the book "The Jewish Strategy" and Travlyr is quoting Revilo Oliver through Eustace Mullins.

[FrankRep]

The so called Nelson Rockefeller / Nabisco Company / John Birch Society / Robert Welch Connection.


Listen up.... Again...


Nelson Rockefeller's Nabisco Company bought James O. Welch's Candy Company. James O. Welch is Robert Welch's brother.


Saying that Nelson Rockefeller funded or setup the John Birch Society is a complete lie.

Here's the story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Welch,_Jr.


Robert Welch decided to manufacture candy as a way to earn a living, describing it as "the one field in which it seemed least impossible to get started without either capital or experience." He founded the Oxford Candy Company in Brooklyn, New York, which was a one-man operation until he hired his brother James to assist him. James Welch left to start his own candy company in 1925.
...

The Oxford Candy Company went out of business during the Great Depression, but his brother's company, the James O. Welch Company, survived, and Robert was hired by his brother. The company began making caramel lollipops, renamed Sugar Daddies, and Welch developed other well known candies such as Sugar Babies, Junior Mints, and Pom Poms. Welch retired a wealthy man in 1956.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/01/us/james-o-welch-dies-at-79-founder-of-candy-company.html


In 1963 the National Biscuit Company, now Nabisco Brands Inc., bought Mr. Welch's company. Mr. Welch was a director of Nabisco from 1963 until his retirement in 1978. His son, James O. Welch Jr., of Short Hills, N.J., is president of Nabisco.