Is Fire11 a Troll?

[Yieu]

Fire11 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?29443-Fire11) has returned yet again, now under the username 'Bear-Bear (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?31096-Bear-Bear)'.

Our forum has been under attack by Fire11 for a few months now. He creates dozens of new usernames on this forum (which all get banned) and floods the boards with threads filled with false and misleading information, including statistics and numbers he makes up, and appears to be quite bigoted because he would like to see 1-2 billion people die 'so that animals can eat,' and he appears to have a racial bias against those in the Indian subcontinent.

Simple question, so that he can see whether or not the members of this forum want him here, so that we can give him constructive feedback:

Is Fire11 a troll?

[Vessol]

he has taught me many important things: such as that we speak slang english, that we must be wary of porn stars in line, and that india must ban all non food growing

[Yieu]

It is possible he might be worse than just an ordinary troll. Due to the fact that he posts violent, bigoted, and misleading information, he could be controlled opposition / agent provocateur. He could be gathering information to use later to harm the movement or Dr. Paul's campaign.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Poll: is Yieu feeding the troll?

[trey4sports]

I dont believe in trolls.

[Yieu]

Poll: is Yieu feeding the troll?

I normally try to stay out of trolls' business, and I dislike calling individuals out. But if we do not give him this feedback, he might mistakenly think we want him here. He even said in another thread:


I start excellent discussion threads and people reply to me with excellent answers and posts. I am helping world good people for free (no money).

He believes he is doing us a service by returning with new username after new username after we ban him over and over. And he thinks we should be grateful that he isn't charging us for doing so. So perhaps he might voluntarily go away if he learns that he is not wanted here.

I even made the poll public (I normally prefer non-public polls), so that he can see all the usernames of well-established forum members that do not want him here.

[lynnf]

I dont believe in trolls.


but they believe in YOU -- and they know where you live, on the internets, at least

[Acala]

He is special. That's what people say about him. And he will be president if only people will listen to him. I don't think a troll could be president. Isn't that in the Constitution? So he must not be a troll.

[Yieu]

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[JoshLowry]

Looks like all his accounts are banned.

IP ban could be put into place, but it really does more harm imo.

[steph3n]

Looks like all his accounts are banned.

IP ban could be put into place, but it really does more harm imo.

just do some silly htaccess redirects for him them ;)

I am sure he wants to read wnd.com and onenewsnow every time he comes to RPF/LF
if that doesn't help send him to 4chan, they like his type.

[Yieu]

Looks like all his accounts are banned.

IP ban could be put into place, but it really does more harm imo.

Thanks. In the end this is your private property and you and Bryan have the last word, and that's what matters. I just wish he would get the picture and stop creating new accounts.

htaccess redirects would be funny. If you need htaccess tricks, PM me, I have a good source for them.

[enoch150]

What if I think he's a troll and don't care? I don't think anyone should be banned unless they're spamming or doing something illegal.

Controlled opposition / agents provocateur try to be the most well liked people and become the embodiment of the goals of the group. Then they seek out those in the group with minor disagreements and try to magnify those disagreements and splinter them off. They do this repeatedly until there are to few members left in the original group that it can't be effective. Either that or they encourage people to do something illegal. But what they don't do is make blatantly controversial comments.

[Yieu]

He is spamming. Creating new account after new account after each account gets banned, and flooding the forum with misleading and bigoted threads with fraudulent information is a form of spamming.

[KurtBoyer25L]

I can't even believe he turned out to be a real person. I thought it was some kind of autobot.

[chudrockz]

I can't even believe he turned out to be a real person. I thought it was some kind of autobot.

This. I remember reading awhile back his posts about killing off a couple billion folks, like the ones who like porn. His "thinking" was so disjointed I thought it was either a random computer generating sentences or a total schizophrenic.

[Praetorius]

I can't even believe he turned out to be a real person. I thought it was some kind of autobot.

I haven't been around much to see a lot of his stuff, but with what I'm reading here, wouldn't he be more along the lines of a decepticon?

[pcosmar]

He is spamming. Creating new account after new account after each account gets banned, and flooding the forum with misleading and bigoted threads with fraudulent information is a form of spamming.
I really wish people would read and consider before posting responses.
It puzzles me when I see pages of intelligent (or attempts at such) responses to really inane bullshit.

Just don't respond, , or if you absolutely have to, go for humorous or derogatory responses.
Make it entertaining at least.
he's doing it for lulz, so laugh at him.

[Yieu]

I really wish people would read and consider before posting responses.
It puzzles me when I see pages of intelligent (or attempts at such) responses to really inane bullshit.

Just don't respond, , or if you absolutely have to, go for humorous or derogatory responses.
Make it entertaining at least.
he's doing it for lulz, so laugh at him.

I tend to only enter his threads to point out it is a Fire11 thread to those responding and then report the threads to let the mods handle it (though there are sometimes some funny comments by those who also realize it is Fire11).

I only went as far as creating this thread this time because it almost looked like he might be allowed to stay longer, so I wanted to urge him to leave voluntarily by assuring him he was not wanted here. He drags the forum down and floods it with tons of irrelevant threads, causing a disruption... and tries to gather data on the members here that could be used to defame us.

He's banned again now, but if he comes back I might bump this thread.

[Cowlesy]

Yieu man you really get fired up over this one character ---- he's just a nutter who posts semi-coherent blather. Wouldn't get too worked up about him!

[malkusm]

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/the-troll-hunter-header.jpg

[Yieu]

Yieu man you really get fired up over this one character ---- he's just a nutter who posts semi-coherent blather. Wouldn't get too worked up about him!

Yeah... I just have a problem when people espouse eugenics (such as killing 1-2 billion people who he considers to be 'useless people'), because it is one of the harshest evils man is capable of, and he posts that stuff on our forum as if it is one of our beliefs! And he's racially bigoted too. He really drags the forum down. If all he did was ramble it wouldn't bother me as much, but support for eugenics and agent provocateur tactics got me hyped up over him. I should try to be bothered less, but I'll still report him and point him out when I see him.


http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/the-troll-hunter-header.jpg

Hahaha. :cool:

[Freedom 4 all]

He may be just stupid, rather than trolling deliberately.

[low preference guy]

what the heck is htaccess?

[steph3n]

what the heck is htaccess?

nerdy talk ;)

[low preference guy]

nerdy talk ;)

anyone wants to translate it for the noobz?

[pcosmar]

what the heck is htaccess?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Htaccess
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/htaccess.html

[specsaregood]

Yieu man you really get fired up over this one character ---- he's just a nutter who posts semi-coherent blather. Wouldn't get too worked up about him!

^unabashed troll lover. your kind should be banned.

[Yieu]

what the heck is htaccess?

A file called ".htaccess" on a website's root directory you can create and manipulate to add security to your website. There is a .htaccess blacklist that I use which blocks many malicious attacks, and it can also redirect particular IPs to other websites when they try to access your site (which is what was being suggested).

This is a good .htaccess blacklist (in beta): http://perishablepress.com/5g-firewall-beta/

This is an explanation of what each of the functions are in the previous version of that blacklist: http://perishablepress.com/press/2009/03/08/building-the-perishable-press-4g-blacklist/

I think it would be cool if RPFs used the 5G .htaccess blacklist, because it blocks unwanted and malicious traffic and makes a site more secure.

[low preference guy]

A file called ".htaccess" on a website's root directory you can create and manipulate to add security to your website. There is a .htaccess blacklist that I use which blocks many malicious attacks, and it can also redirect particular IPs to other websites when they try to access your site (which is what was being suggested).

thanks. scarcity doesn't let me +rep.

i think it's very rude. if somebody is bad enough to deserve being redirected, i think an outright IP ban is preferable.

[Yieu]

thanks. scarcity doesn't let me +rep.

Aww. Well for a more in-depth explanation, the last link I edited into that post explains it really well, but gets pretty technical.

[malkusm]

thanks. scarcity doesn't let me +rep.

i think it's very rude. if somebody is bad enough to deserve being redirected, i think an outright IP ban is preferable.

He's using a proxy. The only way to IP ban would be to ban the whole range, in which case, he'd probably just use a different proxy.

[low preference guy]

He's using a proxy. The only way to IP ban would be to ban the whole range, in which case, he'd probably just use a different proxy.

but the same is true for a htaccess redirection, right? he could avoid it with a proxy.

[Yieu]

He's using a proxy. The only way to IP ban would be to ban the whole range, in which case, he'd probably just use a different proxy.

Yeah, and the fact that he resorts to using a proxy in order to post is proof that he is aware we don't want him here. So I don't get why he doesn't grock the message and just leave.

[Yieu]

but the same is true for a htaccess redirection, right? he could avoid it with a proxy.

Yes, he could. But then you can ban many known proxy IPs (it won't be perfect) and make it harder for him to find a good proxy. And you can also block/redirect most known proxy request types, essentially blocking most proxies from being used, but I doubt there is a solution to block 100% of proxies.

An IP ban could be done through the forum software, and .htaccess can also "IP ban" by redirecting an IP or range of IPs to a 404 page cannot be found error (or any error message you want the person to see, including a custom error page if you decide to create one).

But .htaccess can be used for so much more than that, too. It can block site attacks by not allowing certain characters in the URL bar and deny certain types of requests and other neat security features. It's really quite handy.

[pcosmar]

An IP ban could be done through the forum software, and .htaccess can also "IP ban" by redirecting an IP or range of IPs to a 404 page cannot be found error (or any error message you want the person to see, including a custom error page if you decide to create one).


http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/60-really-cool-and-creative-error-404-pages/

Perhaps a special page for Banned Trolls.

[heavenlyboy34]

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/60-really-cool-and-creative-error-404-pages/

Perhaps a special page for Banned Trolls.
lolz!! I especially liked this one:
http://media02.hongkiat.com/error_404_01/larknews.jpg

[Yieu]

Bumping because he returned.

[sailingaway]

As?

[ctb619]

As?
alaskaman

Three terrible threads on the first page.

[Southron]

As?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296044-No-Job-in-the-World-is-Safe-for-Next-7-years

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?298966-No-Job-in-the-World-is-Safe-for-Next-7-years

Coincidence?

[Sentient Void]

Wow, I must not be as active as some of you. I don't recall a single post by this guy.

I remember an annoying ruthless pointless troll we had here that got banned... he was an 'Absurdist'.... glad he's gone. Forget his name though, haha.

[heavenlyboy34]

Wow, I must not be as active as some of you. I don't recall a single post by this guy.

I remember an annoying ruthless pointless troll we had here that got banned... he was an 'Absurdist'.... glad he's gone. Forget his name though, haha.
You're very lucky in that regard! ;)

[brandon]

I don't think he's a troll, just semi retarded. I like him because he makes me feel smart, lets keep around.

[sailingaway]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296044-No-Job-in-the-World-is-Safe-for-Next-7-years

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?298966-No-Job-in-the-World-is-Safe-for-Next-7-years

Coincidence?

LOL!

Clearly a coincidence.

[sailingaway]

I don't think he's a troll, just semi retarded. I like him because he makes me feel smart, lets keep around.

I think he's funny sometimes. I don't think retarded is quite right, some of his retorts are very clever in a warped sort of way, but he's something, that's for sure.

[oyarde]

I ENJOY TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT . What I really want to know is where he is from.

[sailingaway]

Well, he's banned. I don't mind the exercise in logic, and he's very imaginative coming up with responses, but essentially advocating genocide by implication bothers people, which is a good thing.

[Golding]

He's most likely a troll, but who cares? I don't think he needs to be banned. Just send his threads to Hot Topics so people can enjoy a good laugh. That way you can also spare the IP of his neighbors.

[Andrew-Austin]

I remember from being a mod elsewhere before on a vbulletin forum.. There was a fate worse than banning we could resort to. Couldn't we make his posts invisible to everyone (except the mods)? He wouldn't know that his threads are invisible, he would just think that people were ignoring him. That would remove his presence, and keep him from creating another account.

[sailingaway]

I remember from being a mod elsewhere before on a vbulletin forum.. There was a fate worse than banning we could resort to. Couldn't we make his posts invisible to everyone (except the mods)? He wouldn't know that his threads are invisible, he would just think that people were ignoring him. That would remove his presence, and keep him from creating another account.

What a dandy idea. Usually I think we don't mind people coming back with a new identity so much so long as their new behavior is better, but this guy might be an exception. It's something to think about, if it is doable, in any event.

[Yieu]

He's most likely a troll, but who cares? I don't think he needs to be banned. Just send his threads to Hot Topics so people can enjoy a good laugh. That way you can also spare the IP of his neighbors.

The problem is, if left alone, he will create dozens of threads a day, clogging up 'New Posts' from having any useful discussion while he gets everyone to argue against his bigotry and desires for genocide. That is just too much.


I remember from being a mod elsewhere before on a vbulletin forum.. There was a fate worse than banning we could resort to. Couldn't we make his posts invisible to everyone (except the mods)? He wouldn't know that his threads are invisible, he would just think that people were ignoring him. That would remove his presence, and keep him from creating another account.

That would be nice. Although I hope he wouldn't catch on and just make another account, but if we can keep doing that to all of his accounts, maybe he'll get the picture? Or maybe he's not capable of understanding the disturbance he is causing here... or has a goal to disrupt. Either way, we need to figure out how to stop him from disrupting us.

[libertythor]

Or maybe he's not capable of understanding the disturbance he is causing here... or has a goal to disrupt. Either way, we need to figure out how to stop him from disrupting us.


I think that he knows exactly what he is doing.

[Aratus]

^the troll is back?^
i'm voting in the poll.

[acptulsa]

^the troll is back?^
i'm voting in the poll.

He popped up briefly last evening. Guess his pointed head got to missing losing at the game Whack-A-Troll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5hz8EnyaE

[oyarde]

Where is that guy from ?

[pcosmar]

Where is that guy from ?

The Internets.

[brandon]

The rumor is he's from GNAA

[Yieu]

Here he is again: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?34377-Richeconomy

[acptulsa]

What's in a name? A troll by any other name would still provide news from under the bridge.

[erowe1]

Of course. And he's a brilliant one.

[eduardo89]

Can't he be IP banned?

[acptulsa]

Can't he be IP banned?

Not without banning everyone who also prefers to use a proxy.

[oyarde]

It is possible he might be worse than just an ordinary troll. Due to the fact that he posts violent, bigoted, and misleading information, he could be controlled opposition / agent provocateur. He could be gathering information to use later to harm the movement or Dr. Paul's campaign. Nah , nobody will be able to make sense out of it .

[Aratus]

mayhap ten to twenty net*id!en!ti!ti!es are this posting entity
who mayhap thread~overlapper posts so as to be a throng?
there are themes, if a lone wolf insted of pack, our admin
hits a level of exasperations and then bans troll again?

[Expatriate]

Maybe we should just stick "Official RPF TrollBot" under his name and let him do what he does.

[John F Kennedy III]

thanks. scarcity doesn't let me +rep.

i think it's very rude. if somebody is bad enough to deserve being redirected, i think an outright IP ban is preferable.

Wait, LPG is banned?

[eduardo89]

Wait, LPG is banned?

Yes, there's a thread about how he can come back if he apologizes. I guess he hasnt..

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, he's a troll. I did enjoy my Fire11 impressions thread before it was prematurely aborted without just cause. :(

[Yieu]

Yes, he's a troll. I did enjoy my Fire11 impressions thread before it was prematurely aborted without just cause. :(

I enjoyed it too. :)

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes, he's a troll. I did enjoy my Fire11 impressions thread before it was prematurely aborted without just cause. :(

92% of Ron Paul followers on forum do not know what you speak of.

[heavenlyboy34]

92% of Ron Paul followers on forum do not know what you speak of. That 92% can enlighten themselves here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363758-best-Fire11-impression-gets-a-rep&p=4225195#post4225195)

[Yieu]

Someday, he'll be World President.

[row333au]

Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs


the Government's stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups." He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called "independent" credible voices to bolster the Government's messaging (on the ground that those who don't believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government).


Covert government propaganda is exactly what Sunstein craves. His mentality is indistinguishable from the Bush mindset that led to these abuses, and he hardly tries to claim otherwise. Indeed, he favorably cites both the covert Lincoln Park program as well as Paul Bremer's closing of Iraqi newspapers which published stories the U.S. Government disliked, and justifies them as arguably necessary to combat "false conspiracy theories" in Iraq -- the same goal Sunstein has for the U.S.


The Bush Pentagon employed teams of former Generals to pose as "independent analysts" in the media while secretly coordinating their talking points and messaging about wars and detention policies with the Pentagon. Bush officials secretly paid supposedly "independent" voices, such as Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher, to advocate pro-Bush policies while failing to disclose their contracts. In Iraq, the Bush Pentagon hired a company, Lincoln Park, which paid newspapers to plant pro-U.S. articles while pretending it came from Iraqi citizens.


the Obama administration has been making very large, undisclosed payments to MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber to provide consultation on the President's health care plan. With this lucrative arrangement in place, Gruber spent the entire year offering public justifications for Obama's health care plan, typically without disclosing these payments, and far worse, was repeatedly held out by the White House -- falsely -- as an "independent" or "objective" authority. Obama allies in the media constantly cited Gruber's analysis to support their defenses of the President's plan, and the White House, in turn, then cited those media reports as proof that their plan would succeed. This created an infinite "feedback loop" in favor of Obama's health care plan which -- unbeknownst to the public -- was all being generated by someone who was receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in secret from the administration (read this to see exactly how it worked).

.....advocates that the Government should pay what he calls "credible independent experts" to advocate on the Government's behalf, a policy he says would be more effective because people don't trust the Government itself and would only listen to people they believe are "independent."

http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/singleton/



Conspiracy Theories by Cass R. Sunstein (Harvard Law School), Adrian Vermeule (Harvard Law School)

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585



Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs

http://www.salon.com/2010/03/26/court_3/singleton/

[heavenlyboy34]

Someday, he'll be World President. and the 99% will worship him. And...


100 Billion useless people are eating and polluting. 60% of World's grain wasted by useless people.

Dolphins die because of useless people. People kill dolphins because needless pollution of useless people.

300 Million ants once died in a thunderstorm. People are saying: God wanted it, so 300 Million ants died in a thunderstorm.

An American friend once told me: Obama is evil, and people that vote for him will die in World War 3.

World War 3 will be for peace. Useless people are polluting mother planet and starving animals everywhere; 60% of baby zebras die before 2 weeks because people drive Cameros.
;) :D

[heavenlyboy34]

That 92% can enlighten themselves here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363758-best-Fire11-impression-gets-a-rep&p=4225195#post4225195) This thread I linked to here still cracks me up. :D

[Johnny Appleseed]

I enjoy all the colors of the rainbow I am untrollable

[Merc350]

later to harm the movement or Dr. Paul's campaign.
Fire11 supported Ron Paul before the campaign began.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Fire11 supported Ron Paul before the campaign began.

Considering your March 2012 registration, how would you know?

[Merc350]

Someday, he'll be World President.
Fire11 website has more information than $3 Trillion CEO

http://dangerousmother.com/

[Merc350]

Considering your March 2012 registration, how would you know?
Fire11 has atleast 1 million supporters worldwide and now he has a website. Read what people write for him on his website.