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qh4dotcom
06-06-2011, 01:26 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110605/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_paying_with_pennies

Kludge
06-06-2011, 01:29 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?296828-Man-Charged-for-paying-with-Pennies

oyarde
06-06-2011, 10:47 AM
How is that disorderly / What is the fine for that ? It can be paid in pennies as well ??

Jim Casey
06-06-2011, 10:57 AM
Now there's a money bomb.

oyarde
06-06-2011, 11:19 AM
Now there's a money bomb.

Yes

oyarde
06-06-2011, 11:20 AM
I just went through a jar of pennies last week , found one 1935 wheat cent , not much reward for the effort , but did have some beverages while I was searching ...

Grubb556
06-06-2011, 01:33 PM
Well, at least the pennies, made out of metal, will retain some value unlike those fiat dollars.

youngbuck
06-06-2011, 09:50 PM
Disorderly conduct is like a blank check given to cops. They like to charge people with it when they didn't really do anything wrong, but they feel like being their usual dick selves.

Carehn
06-06-2011, 09:58 PM
Well, at least the pennies, made out of metal, will retain some value unlike those fiat dollars.

Just zinc after 82. The old ones are worth a bit more and are quickly vanishing like silver dimes.

I guess we are on the zinc standard now.

notsure
06-07-2011, 12:06 AM
I just went through a jar of pennies last week , found one 1935 wheat cent , not much reward for the effort , but did have some beverages while I was searching ...

For that guy's sake, I hoped he checked those pennies first. I found a 1923 penny worth a couple of dollars.

oyarde
06-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Just zinc after 82. The old ones are worth a bit more and are quickly vanishing like silver dimes.

I guess we are on the zinc standard now.

The content of pennies before that is worth about three cents ea

oyarde
06-07-2011, 10:55 AM
For that guy's sake, I hoped he checked those pennies first. I found a 1923 penny worth a couple of dollars.

I have a collection I have worked on since I was a kid . I have 1878 through 1958 except three coins .With duplicates of 1932 through 1958 . After 1931 , not worth much , but many prior to that are worth more than a few bucks. through

AndrewD
06-07-2011, 11:00 AM
I have a collection I have worked on since I was a kid . I have 1878 through 1958 except three coins . After 1931 , not worth much , but many prior to that are worth more than a few bucks.

Careful what you do with those. You ever try to cash them in, or even get caught trying to deposit them into a safety deposit box and you might get brought up on some kind of "money laundering" charges. That's how ridiculous things seem to be these days. /facepalm

AGRP
06-07-2011, 11:04 AM
The federal reserve should be cited for disorderly conduct for debasing the value of pennies.

acptulsa
06-07-2011, 11:05 AM
So, there has now been so much inflation that the lowest denomination of genuine legal tender is considered 'disorderly'.

Well, the answer is obvious. He should sue the Fed for devaluing the dollar to this point and make them pay his disorderly conduct fine.


Edit. AGRP, I posted, looked up and got double vision. And you beat me, too...

oyarde
06-07-2011, 11:09 AM
The Fed paying the fine , chuckle ...

oyarde
06-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Careful what you do with those. You ever try to cash them in, or even get caught trying to deposit them into a safety deposit box and you might get brought up on some kind of "money laundering" charges. That's how ridiculous things seem to be these days. /facepalm

Not even sure what it is worth , if I had an 1877 , a 1908 Indian S , a 1909 Indian S and a 1909 VDB S Lincoln I am sure it would be worth more than $2300 . Figured I would just leave it to my youngest son . I probably have $500 in it and a lifetime of looking through change. Something to keep me entertained in the brutal winter after hunting season is over ...

oyarde
06-07-2011, 11:48 AM
14000 pennies pays the fine , he should make sure they are made after 1982 , that way he is not over paying :)

Pericles
06-07-2011, 02:08 PM
So much for being legal tender for all debts public and private.

ctb619
06-07-2011, 02:18 PM
There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

freshjiva
06-07-2011, 03:11 PM
There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

That only means that private entities can choose to refuse to accept certain coins or Federal Reserve Notes, as long as they accept some other FRN. The legal tender laws, however, do forbid you from using anything other than FRNs to honor debts or other contractual obligations, which are 99% of all transactions.

aGameOfThrones
06-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Comment from the site.



There was similar story a number of years ago....a man paid $5000.00 in pennies to his ex wife. A dump truck full of pennies dumped them in her driveway. The court sided with the man i do believe.....legal tender.


Damn!

James Madison
06-07-2011, 03:52 PM
I would pay the fine in pennies.

oyarde
06-08-2011, 10:37 AM
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

My local gas station has a sign up about not accepting bills larger than a twenty . I always ask if they have enough change and all I have is a fifty or a hundred before pumping , normally after a recent trip to the bank ( they give 3 cents off a gallon for paying cash ). They have always taken the large bill.

oyarde
06-08-2011, 10:38 AM
The content of pennies before that is worth about three cents ea

If they are pre 1959 , generally are worth at least 8 cents.

MelissaWV
06-08-2011, 10:47 AM
My local gas station has a sign up about not accepting bills larger than a twenty . I always ask if they have enough change and all I have is a fifty or a hundred before pumping , normally after a recent trip to the bank ( they give 3 cents off a gallon for paying cash ). They have always taken the large bill.

That's just crazy talk. You mean you were considerate? You talked to those awful cashier people?

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Seriously, and once again, this is the way to go. Before you go dumping a massive pile of pennies onto some cashier's desk, maybe you should consider why you feel the need to be such a total jackass. One can suppose that 2,500 pennies did not all neatly stay on the counter. At best, this made a huge mess and delayed everyone else. That, however, shouldn't merit the police coming into it.

People seem to think this is cute. He was paying a medical bill. The staff alleges he "demanded" they count the pennies. This was at a clinic. Most clinics are not prepared to take large quantities of change, and anyone with a bit of common sense would know that. The guy was this upset over what's likely a copay spelled out by his insurance company. Somehow this is a rallying cry for freedom? No.

Someone coming into an office and being an utter jerk, not to mention dropping change everywhere at a clinic, is not some hero. The fact he was arrested will now make this guy seem infinitely more legit than he has any business being. I cringe that so many of you think this is a good idea.

oyarde
06-08-2011, 10:53 AM
That's just crazy talk. You mean you were considerate? You talked to those awful cashier people?

* * *

Seriously, and once again, this is the way to go. Before you go dumping a massive pile of pennies onto some cashier's desk, maybe you should consider why you feel the need to be such a total jackass. One can suppose that 2,500 pennies did not all neatly stay on the counter. At best, this made a huge mess and delayed everyone else. That, however, shouldn't merit the police coming into it.

People seem to think this is cute. He was paying a medical bill. The staff alleges he "demanded" they count the pennies. This was at a clinic. Most clinics are not prepared to take large quantities of change, and anyone with a bit of common sense would know that. The guy was this upset over what's likely a copay spelled out by his insurance company. Somehow this is a rallying cry for freedom? No.

Someone coming into an office and being an utter jerk, not to mention dropping change everywhere at a clinic, is not some hero. The fact he was arrested will now make this guy seem infinitely more legit than he has any business being. I cringe that so many of you think this is a good idea.

Oh yes , I am quite at home with the ordinary people as I am one as well :) . They pump gas too , there is still a full service island , I pump my own. And yeah , I would not do what this guy did , but he should not be arrested or fined for it.

oyarde
06-09-2011, 11:35 AM
For that guy's sake, I hoped he checked those pennies first. I found a 1923 penny worth a couple of dollars.

The 1922 D & 1924 D are worth much more than a couple bucks , you were close .

oyarde
06-14-2011, 11:36 AM
I sold a set of Indian cents 1888 to 1909 , less the two San Francisco mint coins for about $31 the other day . I paid about thirty for them some time ago . It had six that were older that I kept , only one of those was really in good condition , ( 1887) , but I basically got them for free. I kind of wished I had kept the 1907 , I graded it conservatively at Very Fine , it was a beautiful coin.

oyarde
06-14-2011, 11:43 AM
Earlier this week , I was fooling around with my Buffalo nickel collection . I have one done 1913 - 1938 except the 1913 S type ll , (no way I am buying one of those ). If I can come up with one more 1921 S , I will have another done 1916 - 1938 . I think I am selling the second one Wed.

oyarde
06-16-2011, 09:48 AM
Wed. , I sold 51 different Buffalo nickels for 178.35 , I had paid $55 for 62 of them 5 or 6 years ago . I have my other Buffalo collection complete except one coin. I am so easily entertained....

oyarde
06-16-2011, 10:05 AM
And my favorite part . no taxes on my gain :)

oyarde
06-16-2011, 10:10 AM
For that guy's sake, I hoped he checked those pennies first. I found a 1923 penny worth a couple of dollars.

What you want to find is the 1914 D or 1931 S , I looked at a 1931 S yesterday priced at $92 . I need one more , but hate to pay that.

oyarde
06-16-2011, 10:57 AM
I cannot believe I have not been flamed for not paying taxes on my " spare change " sales :)

oyarde
06-17-2011, 10:16 AM
I think I have made about a $900 profit this year selling some coins , that comes to 56 cases of beer and some change :)

oyarde
06-20-2011, 11:01 AM
Two of most prized pennies are a 1909 S and 1914 D.

oyarde
06-21-2011, 10:33 AM
1943 pennies are made of steel.

oyarde
06-22-2011, 10:46 AM
I probably should have just bought that 1931 s , I will end up doing it eventually anyway.....

oyarde
06-24-2011, 10:29 AM
I went through a jar of change last night , not too fruitful , found one 1950 D wheat cent .

oyarde
07-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Came up with a silver Canadian dime out of pocket change.