Newsweek Cover Features Mitt Romney "Mormon for President"

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/06/05/newsweek-cover-focuses-mitt-romney-being-mormon

http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2011/06/04/img-nwk-cover-110613-issue_195939165348.jpg

[JWZguy]

Politics are depressing sometimes.

[Brian4Liberty]

The media loves their red herrings...

[libertybrewcity]

"how the outsider faith creates winners": family connections and money

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

That Newsweek cover is creepy–and I say this as a Mormon. Has anybody read the article?

[BlackTerrel]

Haven't read the article but I don't think the topic itself is a red herring.

24% of Americans say they would not vote a Mormon for president. That's a big stumbling block.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/some-americans-reluctant-vote-mormon-72yearold-presidential-candidates.aspx

[Brian4Liberty]

Haven't read the article but I don't think the topic itself is a red herring.

24% of Americans say they would not vote a Mormon for president. That's a big stumbling block.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/some-americans-reluctant-vote-mormon-72yearold-presidential-candidates.aspx

It is a distraction from real issues. That is the definition of a red herring. And it's an attempt to incite prejudice and discrimination.

And look at what you said, let's just slightly modify that:


24% of Americans say they would not vote a Mormon Black Man for president. That's a big stumbling block.


Would that be a valid criticism of Herman Cain? Does it have to do with positions or any real issues? Should that be a news story?

What if the cover of Newsweek said: "The Black Moment" and "Herman Cain, Black Man for President". Are those issues we should judge our presidential candidate on, or are they distractions meant to divide and conquer?

Yes, people might discuss it, but it shouldn't be taken seriously. What's next, a Newsweek cover story on how overweight people are sometimes discriminated against, with a title of "Mike Huckabee, Fat Man for President".

[Hotchney]

Naw self-selection. The kind of people who self-select to become dedicated mormons frequently have traits that allow for success in other areas. Kind of like Judaism. They're both very strict clubs.

[rp08orbust]

I bet 24% would say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.

[sailingaway]

So Morman is the new Black?

Morman isn't an issue with me (I'd just prefer my president be very clear that he HIMSELF is not God) but neither was black and black was BLATANTLY used to try to guilt people into voting a particular way, last time. And to imply that anything negative said had that as a root cause. Is this going to be another election by guilt?

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edit... and... about that cover....

....do you think Mr. Glee Club had any idea it would make him look like such a moron?

[BlackTerrel]

It is a distraction from real issues. That is the definition of a red herring. And it's an attempt to incite prejudice and discrimination.

Clearly it IS an issue for 1/4 of the US populace. Reporting on it doesn't incite prejudice - if anything it helps to educate.


And look at what you said, let's just slightly modify that:

24% of Americans say they would not vote a Black Man for president.

If that were the case that would be a big story. Except it's not. Same link. 5% say they wouldn't vote a black man President.


I bet 24% would say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.

Same link. 4% say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.

To say that Romney's religion would not hurt his chances with voters is being incredibly naive.

[YumYum]

Naw self-selection. The kind of people who self-select to become dedicated mormons frequently have traits that allow for success in other areas. Kind of like Judaism. There both very strict clubs.

I don't know very much about Mormons. Is there anything in their belief system that could possibly influence Romney's policy decisions that would be detrimental to our country? If not, I don't know what the big deal would be about being a Mormon President. I will say this: I have known some very decent Mormons; surely they could give us someone more principled than Mitt Romney to run for President. Donny Osmond would be a better pick than him. :)

[goRPaul]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UbuTHA7t5n0/TewAJrT_mwI/AAAAAAAAAFk/JcgX5zVS2Fs/30308_cartoon_main.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/The_Book_of_Mormon_poster.jpg

[iGGz]

Gayest Cover Ever

[kah13176]

I don't know very much about Mormons. Is there anything in their belief system that could possibly influence Romney's policy decisions that would be detrimental to our country? If not, I don't know what the big deal would be about being a Mormon President. I will say this: I have known some very decent Mormons; surely they could give us someone more principled than Mitt Romney to run for President. Donny Osmond would be a better pick than him. :)

I know around 10 Mormons in real life. All of them are very socially conservative, not only personally, but also wanting to impose it upon others through legislation. I know this isn't true for 100% of them out there, as I know there are quite a few that also support Ron Paul, but this social conservativism does seem to apply to the vast majority (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Romney could be like this underneath all his flip-flops.

I could give a shit less if we had a Mormon whatever in government, so long as they didn't also want to force their believes upon me using violence.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

I don't know very much about Mormons. Is there anything in their belief system that could possibly influence Romney's policy decisions that would be detrimental to our country? If not, I don't know what the big deal would be about being a Mormon President. I will say this: I have known some very decent Mormons; surely they could give us someone more principled than Mitt Romney to run for President. Donny Osmond would be a better pick than him. :)

Mormons can be inclined to any sort of political party. However, the philosophy of strict constitutionalism can be supported by statements from Latter-day Saint church leaders. The following YouTube video, (5 min.) was used to promote Ron Paul in 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cESC0RaVnM

Study the LDS view of the Constitution

This video is mainly for an LDS audience, since it contains quotes from past and present church leaders. All of these quotes supports the platform of Ron Paul and his desire to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[PaulConventionWV]

I liked this part:
"Leftists exploit race, religion and everything else while crying racism, Islamophobia, sexism, etc whenever conservatives criticize the actions of liberals. They have cornered the market on hypocrisy."

Also, I, for one, thought the cover was very appropriate. Romney deserves to be ridiculed. I cannot say I am impartial to Mormons because, in my opinion, some things they believe are just crazy. If you know anything about the religion, then you know this. I don't mean for this to offend anybody. I know there are some mormons on here, but suffice it to say that it will never make sense to me, no matter how hard anyone tries. I wouldn't have a problem voting for one if they were a liberty candidate amongst a bunch of neocon christians, though. Impostors are the worst. I can't say I would be completely impartial if I knew about it, however, but I really don't have to be as an individual. It's a moral condition for me. I don't engage in groupthink in terms of physiological differences, such as skin color or gender, however.

EDIT: In any case, I don't condone taking anyone's rights away via legislation or otherwise.

[sailingaway]

I don't know very much about Mormons. Is there anything in their belief system that could possibly influence Romney's policy decisions that would be detrimental to our country? If not, I don't know what the big deal would be about being a Mormon President. I will say this: I have known some very decent Mormons; surely they could give us someone more principled than Mitt Romney to run for President. Donny Osmond would be a better pick than him. :)

A lot of Mormans really like Ron from what I've seen on the web. I saw some seriously discussing his late 'The Last Nail' speech, saying their Church folks (forget the term they used) should be giving warnings like that. There were a bunch in my high school. They woouldn't date anyone else because everyone else is damned and it would be depressing being married to someone who was damned, or something like that, but they were very, VERY nice people. Principled too, the ones I knew. I think they'd like Ron.

Did you know Mormans teach to not only store goods for themselves for when society breaks down, but to store extra for sharing with others?

As I said, nice people.

[iamse7en]

Mormonism has taught me to support candidates who are truly dedicated to the constitution in the tradition of our founding fathers. So the only presidential candidate who fits that criteria is Ron Paul.

[lynnf]

I bet 24% would say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.


Didn't keep Kennedy from being elected --

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2832741&page=1


'In a Gallup poll in 1940, 31 percent of Americans said they wouldn't vote for a "generally well-qualified" candidate from their party who happened to be Catholic. That held, at a lower 21 or 22 percent, across the mid-50s. In May 1960, 21 percent still said they wouldn't vote for a Catholic; 71 percent said they would.'

[cindy25]

I don't see the GOP base supporting a Mormon (that eliminates Romney, Huntsman) anyone with 3 wives (Newt, Rudy)

assuming Palin does not run the final 3 should be Romney, Paul, and Bachmann.
if the final 2 are Romney and Paul, the Bachmann people vote Paul
if the final 2 are Paul and Bachmann the Romney people vote Paul

[doodle]

24% of Americans say they would not vote a Mormon for president. That's a big stumbling block.


He won't get elected not because he is mormon but because he is a moron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhKwbrd8yE

I would support Obama over him.

[BlackTerrel]

Mormonism has taught me to support candidates who are truly dedicated to the constitution in the tradition of our founding fathers. So the only presidential candidate who fits that criteria is Ron Paul.

I gave too much rep. But +1

[The Dark Knight]

I am Mormon and I support Ron Paul, so do a number of others in my local church.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Quoting selections from LDS Church leader Ezra Taft Benson's 1968 treatise, "The Proper Role of Government (http://www.zionsbest.com/proper_role.html)," may be useful.

Key points:


Government Should Be Based Upon Sound Principles
The Correct Role Of Government
The Most Important Function Of Government
The Real Meaning of the Separation of Church and State
The Source of Governmental Power
Natural Rights
The Proper Function of Government
The Powers of a Proper Government
The Constitution of the United States
The Value of Local Government
Things the Government Should Not Do
The Dividing Line between Proper and Improper Government
The Nature of Legal Plunder
Government Cannot Create Wealth
The Basic Error of Marxism
The Real Cause of American Prosperity
A Formula for Prosperity
An Example of the Consequences of Disregarding These Principles
The Power of True Liberty from Improper Governmental Interference
But What about the Needy?
The Better Way
What Is Wrong With A "Little" Socialism?
Three Reasons Americans Need Not Fall for Socialist Deceptions
How Can Present Socialistic Trends Be Reversed?
Summary Thus Far
15 Principles Which Make for Good and Proper Government
All Right-Thinking Americans Should Now Take Their Stand


Each of the subsections is only a few paragraphs long. Adam Smith and Bastiat get mentions along the way.

[anaconda]

Politics are depressing sometimes.

Is this Newsweek cover for real? Mitt can't be too pleased with this. This is so shameless that it might backfire in his favor. Kind of like when Jack Conway challenged Rand's "faith." Having said that, this could be planned controlled disinfo actually meant to work in Mitt's favor. i.e. take on the Mormon issue straight up and crush it.

[anaconda]

Clearly it IS an issue for 1/4 of the US populace. Reporting on it doesn't incite prejudice - if anything it helps to educate.



If that were the case that would be a big story. Except it's not. Same link. 5% say they wouldn't vote a black man President.



Same link. 4% say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.

To say that Romney's religion would not hurt his chances with voters is being incredibly naive.

Palin was right on Hannity recently. The GOP is setting itself up for terrible exposure from a third party run by someone perceived as a legitimate conservative. If Ron is not the nominee I suspect this will be inevitable.

[BrendenR]

This thread just gave me an awesome idea. I'm putting RP 2012 stickers on magazines at the store.

[Cowlesy]

Pretty low of Newsweek to mock a man's faith on the cover of their magazine in my opinion.

[AuH20]

This cover is ridiculous. Newsweek is carrying water for Obummer a little earlier than anticipated.

[sailingaway]

I assumed he'd retained approval of the cover, and was going for this means of hitting the faith issue head on. And I thought it was a stupid cover. If they did it 'to' him, then, yeah, I could see that backfiring in his favor.

[parocks]

I don't see the GOP base supporting a Mormon (that eliminates Romney, Huntsman) anyone with 3 wives (Newt, Rudy)

assuming Palin does not run the final 3 should be Romney, Paul, and Bachmann.
if the final 2 are Romney and Paul, the Bachmann people vote Paul
if the final 2 are Paul and Bachmann the Romney people vote Paul

The final 2 won't be Paul and Bachmann. There will be a tea party candidate vs an establishment candidate.

[parocks]

or Romney stickers, as putting Ron Paul 2012 stickers on magazines makes Ron Paul supporters look like vandals. I'm not saying it's bad to be a vandal, just don't tie it so directly to Ron Paul. Make up your own stickers, saying NO WAY or something. maybe the red circle with a line through it symbol for no.

[Vessol]

The final 2 won't be Paul and Bachmann. There will be a tea party candidate vs an establishment candidate.

Bachmann isn't establishment?

[Aratus]

the urbane blog link in the OP evidently connects up that mitt romney photoshop
visually to a broadway musical's poster that is basically an anti-mormon slam...

[parocks]

Bachmann is closely affiliated with the tea party. She could be considered establishment by other standards, but basically Palin, Paul, Bachmann are considered tea party.
Cain also is, but he has the establishment resume, and I really don't think he should be considered tea party.


Bachmann isn't establishment?

[Brian4Liberty]

Finally read the actual story. Was surprised to see that the article ties Mormanism to conspiracy theories and the JBS.

The second picture in the story shows a collage of Mormans, with the cast of the HBO series front and center. Guess that means the show is an accurate portrayal... :rolleyes:

Definitely a hit piece on Romney.

[sailingaway]

Bachmann is closely affiliated with the tea party. She could be considered establishment by other standards, but basically Palin, Paul, Bachmann are considered tea party.
Cain also is, but he has the establishment resume, and I really don't think he should be considered tea party.

Yeah, but she just named herself chair after Rand had the caucus idea. Clearly a shrewd move on her part.

[The Dark Knight]

here is a prophecy by Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon (LDS) Church concerning the USA government in the last days. Pretty interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=cIA3UEDzAt8

[Brian4Liberty]

It's catching on...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110608/pl_yblog_theticket/voters-fret-about-mormonism-but-still-favor-romney