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Theocrat
06-05-2011, 08:49 AM
It's amazing how much the Tea Party Movement has been co-opted by the GOP. They're really no different than the Republican Party, being just an extension of it. This article is proof-positive of that. I wonder if they would back the father of the Tea Party Movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8) himself, Ron Paul, though...


The Tea Party will support whoever wins the GOP presidential nomination - - even if that person is former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. That's the affirmative word from Tea Party Express chair Amy Kremer.

Kremer told Fox News on Saturday, "whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement, the entire Tea Party movement."

Kremer went on to say the Tea Party is "completely neutral," adding that it "just wants to see the cream rise to the top... If Romney is the nominee I believe that we want to defeat Barack Obama."

Read more here (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/04/tea-party-back-any-gop-nominee-including-romney).

ChaosControl
06-05-2011, 08:52 AM
The tea party has been nothing more than a synonym for the gop base since Obama's election.
The gop base always votes for the nominee, so I am not sure how this should be surprising.

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 09:01 AM
It's amazing how much the Tea Party Movement has been co-opted by the GOP.

Makes sense. The Ron Paul pretty much rejected the Tea Party movement and refused to help direct it to liberty. The Neocons gladly took possession of it.

Aratus
06-05-2011, 09:04 AM
if the RNC is trying not to have a GOP bolt
after the convention, and mitt romney has
decided to shift 3 degrees to the right every
two months, by the time august of 2012 rolls
around, he expects to be 3 degrees to the
right of 1964's nominee, sen. barry goldwater.

Theocrat
06-05-2011, 09:07 AM
The tea party has been nothing more than a synonym for the gop base since Obama's election.
The gop base always votes for the nominee, so I am not sure how this should be surprising.

It's the fact that they will vote for even a candidate like Mitt Romney which is a cause for concern. Romney is not even a Tea Party candidate. He's an establishment politician. The Tea Party Movement started out as a revolt against the status quo in Washington, whether it was Republican politics or Democrat politics. Today, the Tea Party, as evidenced in the article, has become aligned with the status quo because they will vote for the party instead of vote on principles. It seems, to me, the current Tea Party would even dismiss a candidate like Congressman Paul because he is not the typical GOP candidate, putting principle over party (unlike themselves).

sailingaway
06-05-2011, 09:46 AM
That's only 'tea party express' they speak for themselves and local groups support them at rallies, but only because they have been supporting tea party candidates--actually free riding on them to build their own name. They can't speak for anyone but themselves.

AGRP
06-05-2011, 09:55 AM
I wonder if they would back the father of the Tea Party Movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8) himself, Ron Paul, though...

Probably not. Fox News tells me he hates Israel.

AGRP
06-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Tea Party Express = The Tea Party? LOL

This is the so called "Tea Party": http://www.thenorthwestreport.com/top-10-tea-party-crashers/

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 10:12 AM
Probably not. Fox News tells me he hates Israel.
Ron Paul Forums attacks Israel so much that it's understandable why Fox News and other commentators could get confused if Ron Paul hates Israel or not.

LibertyEagle
06-05-2011, 10:16 AM
The Tea Party Express is only one of the Tea Party groups. They are not all alike and yes, some have been co-opted. That however does not mean that the people who attend these rallies are not reachable. Just because some ass at the top says he is supporting Romney, doesn't mean that the people within that Tea Party group agree with him.

AGRP
06-05-2011, 10:16 AM
Ron Paul Forums attacks Israel so much that it's understandable why Fox News and other commentators could get confused if Ron Paul hates Israel or not.

Israel plays an enormous role in our decision making process and a lot of their decisions have been highly questionable.

Do you deny that?

Napoleon's Shadow
06-05-2011, 10:20 AM
Rachel Maddow exposed the TPE as a front for the GOP.

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 10:24 AM
Rachel Maddow exposed the TPE as a front for the GOP.

Rachel Maddow "exposed" Rand Paul as being a "racist." Would you like to still use Rachel Maddow as a reference?

Rachel Maddow Attempts to Portray Rand Paul as a Racist
http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-attempts-to-portray-rand-paul-as-a-racist/

sailingaway
06-05-2011, 10:25 AM
Ron Paul Forums attacks Israel so much that it's understandable why Fox News and other commentators could get confused if Ron Paul hates Israel or not.

a specific tiny minority of posters attack Israel. A whole bunch more think they are an ally which simply should not determine our foreign policy any more than any other.

ItsTime
06-05-2011, 10:26 AM
The Tea Party Express is only one of the Tea Party groups. They are not all alike and yes, some have been co-opted. That however does not mean that the people who attend these rallies are not reachable. Just because some ass at the top says he is supporting Romney, doesn't mean that the people within that Tea Party group agree with him.

Exactly. If we fail to go to the tea parties and politely talk about Ron Paul's policies we are the ones to blame for the total take over.

sailingaway
06-05-2011, 10:27 AM
Rachel Maddow "exposed" Rand Paul as being a "racist." Would you like to still use Rachel Maddow as a reference?


Rachel Maddow Attempts to Portray Rand Paul as a Racist
http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-attempts-to-portray-rand-paul-as-a-racist/



Come on, Freedomworks is the best of the 'establishment' tea party groups, and IT has been trying to get pro-TARP pro-NCLB Paul Ryan to run, 'tp patriots' is an out and out lobbying organization using donations to hire itself to lobby, from what I can tell, 'Nation' is a neocon group....

And the real tea party remains but can't be 'interviewed' in the same way.

COpatriot
06-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Israel plays an enormous role in our decision making process and a lot of their decisions have been highly questionable.

Do you deny that?

Shut up you Hitler-loving anti-Semite! Israel is always right! Israel does no wrong! God hates you now! You will NOT CRITICIZE ISRAEL!

HOLLYWOOD
06-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Remember the 1st Big TAX DAY TEA PARTY Nationwide Protests? That was coordinated by NEWS CORP and a bunch of Fascist Marketing orgs... Amazing how coincidental that FOX NEWS, Neil Cavuto, and company showed-up on Sacramento's Capital steps, in the very same city as the Home of NEOCON orgs and Republican Marketing firm Russo, Marsh, and Rogers, which is also home and affiliate: TEA PARTY EXPRESS.

I recommend everyone read this article covering the charade and co-opting of the TEA PARTY by NEOCONs and FASCIST Republican organizations.(i.e. RESISTNET, Patriot Action Network, PNAC, etc)


The Tea Party (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/tea-party.htm#r_src=ramp) will support whoever wins the GOP presidential nomination - - even if that person is former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/mitt-romney.htm#r_src=ramp). That's the affirmative word from Tea Party Express chair Amy Kremer.TEA PARTY EXPRESS: Sal Russo, The Tea Party Express & Corrupt Intentions (Part 1 of 3) (http://battlebornpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/sal-russo-the-tea-party-express-and-corrupt-intentions-part-1-of-3/)

AMY KREMER NEOCON AGENT
Be Careful Texas TP they have infiltrated everywhere: http://texasteapartypac.ning.com/profiles/blogs/true-the-vote-watch-live?xg_source=activity

http://battlebornpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/sal-russo-the-tea-party-express-and-corrupt-intentions-part-1-of-3/


The most egregious “Vince Shlomi” in the Tea Party Movement is the Tea Party Express (http://www.teapartyexpress.org/index.html). They are the largest, best known and most popular of all of the Tea Party Movement groups. Many of us, me included, have participated in their rallies. But again, their vision is NOT the same as the Movement. Their vision is about lining their pockets at the expense of good people who truly want to make a difference. This is the first of a three part series I am writing to discuss the Tea Party Express and their less than ethical behavior. I ask that even if you are a believer in the Express you read this with an open mind. Remember I too was an Express supporter – until reality smacked me in the face. The three articles will be:
Part 1 – The groups and businesses associated with the Tea Party Express and their Principals
Part 2 – The individuals associated with the Tea Party Express and their “extended families”
Part 3 – Tying it all together
So let’s start by looking at the groups:
CLUE #1: Pay attention to Sal Russo and Russo, Marsh and Rogers, Inc.
The Groups:
Our Country Deserves Better PAC (http://www.ourcountrydeservesbetter.com/), Sacramento, Ca. – OCDB PAC was developed in 2008 to oppose the election of Barack Obama. Originally Sal Russo intended to let it die after the 2008 election. It is now one of the largest Conservative PACs. According to FEC (http://www.fec.gov/) filings in a 5 month period (July 2009 – November 2009) the PAC raised $1.33M. Of that $857K (64.4%) was returned to the parent company Russo, Marsh and Rogers or their associates.
Tea Party Express, Sacramento, Ca. – The TPX was started in August of 2009 (the first TPX bus tour). It was the brainchild of Joe Wierzbicki and the Our Country Deserves Better PAC. Wierzbicki is a Principal in Russo, Marsh and Rogers.
Russo, Marsh and Rogers, Inc., Sacramento, Ca. – The main company. Republican Party (http://www.gop.com/) – affiliated public relations firm. RM&R trades under the name King Media Group. Both operate from the same postal address. Though they have differing phone numbers the FAX numbers are identical.
According to an FEC report dating from July 1, 2009 to November 19, 2009 (the development and execution period for the first Tea Party Express Tour) Russo, Marsh and Rogers charged the Tea Party Express/Our Country Deserves Better PAC $782,154.34 in services and fees.
King Media Group LLC, Sacramento, Ca. – An advertising and consulting firm. This is a mirror company to Russo, Marsh and Rogers, Inc.
According to an FEC report dating from July 1, 2009 to November 19, 2009 (the development and execution period for the first Tea Party Express Tour) the King Media Group charged the Tea Party Express/Our Country Deserves Better PAC $168,438.20 in services and fees.
Russo, Watts and Rollins, Sacramento, Ca. – Russo Watts & Rollins is a Republican political consulting firm. The firm was formed by Sal Russo, Doug Watts and Ed Rollins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rollins).
Move America Forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_America_Forward) / PAC, Sacramento, Ca. – Formed in 2004 by Russo, Marsh and Rogers, Inc. , Howard Kooligan and Melanie Morgan. It is a non-profit, pro Iraq war organization. First formed as Move America Forward, then they added the Move America Forward Freedom PAC (2008). As a non-profit organization they are not required to reveal its funders to the public. The MAF website was originally registered to RM&R.
Betty Presley and Associates, Inc. – A CPA and campaign finance Management Company. It is owned and operated by Betty Presley who is also the Treasurer for both the Our Country Deserves Better PAC/Tea Party Express and the Move America Forward PAC.
According to an FEC report dating from July 1, 2009 to November 19, 2009 (the development and execution period for the first Tea Party Express Tour) Betty Presley and Associates, Inc. charged the Tea Party Express/Our Country Deserves Better PAC $13,438 in services and fees.
Republican Liberty Caucus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus) / PAC, National - It is considered the libertarian wing of the Republican Party. It also operates a political Action Committee, RLC-USA (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667&spn=10.0,10.0&q=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667%20%28United%20States%29&t=h) PAC. It was formed in 1992.
National Tax Limitation Committee, Roseville, Ca. – Anti-tax group formed in 1975 Lew Uhler.
According to an FEC report dating from July 1, 2009 to November 19, 2009 (the development and execution period for the first Tea Party Express Tour) the National Tax Limitation Committee charged the Tea Party Express/Our Country Deserves Better PAC $1000 in services and fees.
American Conservative Union, Alexandria, Va. – Conservative lobby group formed in 1964.
Eusatrix Corporation, New York and Sacramento, Ca. – Public Relations and Political Consulting firm founded in 2007 by Republican phenom Kelly Eustis (http://www.kellyseustis.com/).
According to an FEC report dating from July 1, 2009 to November 19, 2009 (the development and execution period for the first Tea Party Express Tour) the Eusatrix Corporation charged the Tea Party Express/Our Country Deserves Better PAC $14,650 in services and fees.
This may all seem a little dry but the truth is a pattern is developing. Over the next two installments you will be able to see that almost all of the money spent by the OCDB PAC/Tea Party Express is sent to companies owned and operated by staff of Russo, Marsh and Rogers or one of their associated companies. The buck stops here and it seems to always get traced back to RM&R.
Next up: The Players.

speciallyblend
06-05-2011, 10:33 AM
posted my comment bottom line it is Ron Paul vs obama republicans in the gop primary! If the gop tries to run a neo-con or biggovgop establishment? Then the gop will elect obama with fox news help! Paul/Johnson 2012 Bring Our Troops Home . When you look at the gop field they are all biggov obama republicans except for Ron Paul and Gary Johnson! Ron Paul by the way is polling to beat Obama! If we do not nominate Ron Paul 2012. The gop might as well run obama/bush 2012 bendover!! ps invest in vaseline! there is nothing conservative about the gop field. They are all biggov obama republicans except for Ron and Gary. Paul/Johnson 2012 or it won't matter who the gop nominates!!

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/04/tea-party-back-any-gop-nominee-including-romney#ixzz1OQ6dF716

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 10:35 AM
Ron Paul Forums attacks Israel so much that it's understandable why Fox News and other commentators could get confused if Ron Paul hates Israel or not.

a specific tiny minority of posters attack Israel. A whole bunch more think they are an ally which simply should not determine our foreign policy any more than any other.

A very loud, outspoken minority that throw vicious attacks at anyone who even hints at supporting Israel. The Pro-Israel supporters must be hiding behind the scenes because it feels like I'm one of the few posters here trying to defend Israel.

Badger Paul
06-05-2011, 10:37 AM
""whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement, the entire Tea Party movement."

Speak for yourself you shills.

TroySmith
06-05-2011, 10:39 AM
The actual grassroot tea party people would not support Romney. This is the establishment shills who have tried co-opting the party talking. I think the reality is that there is a deep divide amongst "Tea Party" people.

Napoleon's Shadow
06-05-2011, 10:59 AM
Rachel Maddow "exposed" Rand Paul as being a "racist." Would you like to still use Rachel Maddow as a reference?

Rachel Maddow Attempts to Portray Rand Paul as a Racist
http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-attempts-to-portray-rand-paul-as-a-racist/
Have you seen this about the Tea Party Express?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLPXEr3ZoQ#t=2m55s

BlackTerrel
06-05-2011, 11:00 AM
The Tea Party will support whoever wins the GOP presidential nomination - - even if that person is former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. That's the affirmative word from Tea Party Express chair Amy Kremer.

I don't really see how one woman could make a claim for how millions of people will vote.

That would be like me saying "RonPaulForums will choose mushrooms on our pizza if domino's runs out of pepperoni"

sailingaway
06-05-2011, 11:01 AM
I don't really see how one woman could make a claim for how millions of people will vote.

That would be like me saying "RonPaulForums will choose mushrooms on our pizza if domino's runs out of pepperoni"

I'd at least want sausage with the mushrooms.

PaulConventionWV
06-05-2011, 11:24 AM
It's amazing how much the Tea Party Movement has been co-opted by the GOP. They're really no different than the Republican Party, being just an extension of it. This article is proof-positive of that. I wonder if they would back the father of the Tea Party Movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8) himself, Ron Paul, though...



Read more here (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/04/tea-party-back-any-gop-nominee-including-romney).

This is absolutely maddening. I cannot believe this shit. How did they get away with co-opting our movement like that?

Napoleon's Shadow
06-05-2011, 11:25 AM
I'd at least want sausage with the mushrooms.
Yall are making me hungry...

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 11:30 AM
This is absolutely maddening. I cannot believe this shit. How did they get away with co-opting our movement like that?
The Ron Paul movement was too busy whining to get involved to help guide the tea party. The Neocons took control for you.

angelatc
06-05-2011, 11:31 AM
Remember the 1st Big TAX DAY TEA PARTY Nationwide Protests? That was coordinated by NEWS CORP and a bunch of Fascist Marketing orgs... Amazing how coincidental that FOX NEWS, Neil Cavuto, and company showed-up in Sacramento Capital steps, in the very same city as the Home of NEOCON orgs and Republican Marketing firm Russo, Marsh, and Rogers, which is also home and affiliate: TEA PARTY EXPRESS.

That's because we were too lazy to get off our butts and coopt the movement. It's our own fault. We spend too much time crying about what other people accomplish. Those are the real reasons that we aren't at the front and center of that movement.

The TEA Party Express is a corporation. Most of the local TEA Parties have absolutely no affiliation with them. But lets all post another 1000 messages reminding each other that they're evil and we dont like them, shall we?

Lets bash the GOP, too, lest anybody actually think about staying involved after the elections are over.

angelatc
06-05-2011, 11:32 AM
The Ron Paul movement was too busy whining to get involved to help guide the tea party. The Neocons took control for you.

Exactly. I was on these forums begging people to cash in on the momentum and organize their communities, but they were too busy deciding which form of anarchism we best identified with or something.

AGRP
06-05-2011, 11:40 AM
Exactly. I was on these forums begging people to cash in on the momentum and organize their communities, but they were too busy deciding which form of anarchism we best identified with or something.

Its almost impossible to compare cashing in on something when its being funded by the Republican establishment machine.

A REPUBLICAN CONSULTING firm, founded the TPE.

The TPE = Republican Party.

rich34
06-05-2011, 11:55 AM
Rand Paul tried to take the tea party by the horns in his Kentucky senate race and really still tries to associate himself with it which I think is a good idea, it's all about perception. Right now the media is really pushing mrs. moose and squirmin herman as tea party heads. Although I do believe that the tea party is essentially became the NRA for the republican party. If Rand can keep making waves hopefully his endorsement of dad Ron can really help in the primary. I wonder if Rand is planning on making any more trips to Iowa or NH this summer? It's weird. These party big wigs like the son, but not so much the dad when in reality they're both pretty much on the same page. But if we can use Rand to bridge the support to Ron, that would be a great tool in making in roads to these teocon types..

Brett85
06-05-2011, 12:41 PM
These people are pretty arrogant if they think they speak for the entire tea party.

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 03:49 PM
These people are pretty arrogant if they think they speak for the entire tea party.

Also, it's silly to think the Tea Party has "one voice" or is controlled by "one power."

The Tea Party has a mixture of people.

anaconda
06-05-2011, 04:20 PM
That's only 'tea party express' they speak for themselves and local groups support them at rallies, but only because they have been supporting tea party candidates--actually free riding on them to build their own name. They can't speak for anyone but themselves.

I was hoping Ron would come out months ago and make more of an effort to distinguish himself from the astroturf Tea Party. He hasn't really done it. I hope he calls out the imposters in the debates.

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 04:29 PM
I was hoping Ron would come out months ago and make more of an effort to distinguish himself from the astroturf Tea Party. He hasn't really done it. I hope he calls out the imposters in the debates.

The media will say Ron Paul is rejecting (or distancing himself from) the Tea Party movement.

Michael Landon
06-05-2011, 04:32 PM
I like to think I'm part of the Tea Party and she is definitely not speaking for me. It's Ron or Bust. No Ron, No GOP...period.... I'll vote for a 3rd Party before I vote for a GOP nominee not named Paul.

- ML

ItsTime
06-05-2011, 04:33 PM
Just her saying this proves she is a big government collectivist

leonster
06-05-2011, 04:43 PM
How can the "Tea Party" even justify its own existence if it's just a rubber stamp for the GOP?

FrankRep
06-05-2011, 04:45 PM
How can the "Tea Party" even justify its own existence if it's just a rubber stamp for the GOP?
That person doesn't represent the Tea Party.

LibertyEagle
06-05-2011, 06:16 PM
That's because we were too lazy to get off our butts and coopt the movement. It's our own fault. We spend too much time crying about what other people accomplish. Those are the real reasons that we aren't at the front and center of that movement.

The TEA Party Express is a corporation. Most of the local TEA Parties have absolutely no affiliation with them. But lets all post another 1000 messages reminding each other that they're evil and we dont like them, shall we?

Lets bash the GOP, too, lest anybody actually think about staying involved after the elections are over.

+rep

LibertyEagle
06-05-2011, 06:19 PM
The Ron Paul movement was too busy whining to get involved to help guide the tea party. The Neocons took control for you.

I owe you +rep. lol

EDIT: Upon further thought, this should have said "some" of the RP movement. A whole lot of people have been very busy doing what it takes to get positioned. Others *did* get involved with the tea party.

rawful
06-05-2011, 08:41 PM
It's pretty pointless to be blaming anyone for not taking advantage of the "Tea Party". The media defines who and what they are for the masses, and the media is run by statists. If it was somehow controlled by Ron Paul supporters, it would just be portrayed as a fringe group with no more mainstream influence than the Oath Keepers.

anaconda
06-06-2011, 01:59 AM
How can the "Tea Party" even justify its own existence if it's just a rubber stamp for the GOP?

It's simply the anti-Obama thing for many of them. They've been played by the false left-right paradigm.

acptulsa
06-06-2011, 08:02 AM
You can say the Tea Party will all do anything, if neither you nor anyone else can define Tea Party. In the end, there are disaffected people and they will not vote for Romney. Are they throwing tea in the bay? Are they even drinking the stuff? Does it matter? Since the Tea Party label was being tarred among liberals even as it was being coopted by the Republican establishment, I'm as ready to let it go as to worry about clearing the once-good name.

That said, her statement is silly on the face of it. She was speaking for herself and the 'Express', not for millions of disaffected voters. One Mad Hatter does not a tea party make.

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-06-2011, 08:20 AM
Who is Amy Kremer and how is she relevant? I can be the leader of the Tea Party just by saying so? OK. I am the leader of the communist party (I mean democrat) We will all vote for Ron Paul! :)

acptulsa
06-06-2011, 08:25 AM
The simple fact is, I have never seen the G.O.P. so fractured in my whole life. The notion that Amy Kremer or anyone else can entice Republicans into marching in lockstep is asinine, and the 2008 election is all the proof anyone needs to refute the notion.

Amy Kremer? Or Amy Dremer? Because this disingenuous claim of hers means nothing.

Napoleon's Shadow
06-07-2011, 01:26 PM
Mike Church has commented on this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jANmF1BDxcc

acptulsa
06-07-2011, 01:31 PM
The Lipton Contingent probably will. But the Earl Gray contingent will vote Libertarian Party for the most part, and the green tea crowd will probably vote Green.

Any way you slice it, Romney will never be the president.

Sola_Fide
06-07-2011, 01:36 PM
Not my Tea Party. I'd say we are a mix of Paul/Palin/Bachmann supporters. Most are firmly against Romney.

Austrian Econ Disciple
06-07-2011, 01:45 PM
Not my Tea Party. I'd say we are a mix of Paul/Palin/Bachmann supporters. Most are firmly against Romney.

Ahem...NO.

johnrocks
06-07-2011, 01:48 PM
Tea Party Express...The GOP's bitch.

Brian4Liberty
06-07-2011, 01:52 PM
Makes sense. The Ron Paul pretty much rejected the Tea Party movement and refused to help direct it to liberty. The Neocons gladly took possession of it.


The Ron Paul movement was too busy whining to get involved to help guide the tea party. The Neocons took control for you.

Rand Paul has done a lot to influence (and be involved in the Tea Party).


Rand Paul tried to take the tea party by the horns in his Kentucky senate race and really still tries to associate himself with it which I think is a good idea, it's all about perception. Right now the media is really pushing mrs. moose and squirmin herman as tea party heads. Although I do believe that the tea party is essentially became the NRA for the republican party. If Rand can keep making waves hopefully his endorsement of dad Ron can really help in the primary. I wonder if Rand is planning on making any more trips to Iowa or NH this summer? It's weird. These party big wigs like the son, but not so much the dad when in reality they're both pretty much on the same page. But if we can use Rand to bridge the support to Ron, that would be a great tool in making in roads to these teocon types..

Sola_Fide
06-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Ahem...NO.

Believe me, I know.:)

The ONLY candidate my tri-county tea party group has near unanimous support for is Rand Paul.

Everyone that I know of in my group would passionately support Rand Paul....and I dont think it solely has to do with the Kentucky factor. He amazingly appeals to every shade of Republican in my group.

acptulsa
06-07-2011, 02:17 PM
Ahem...NO.

Is that your whole conversion spiel? You'll never convert a neocon that way. Maybe you should ask AB2010 for pointers.

low preference guy
06-07-2011, 02:18 PM
Ahem...NO.

Tea Partiers don't support Bachmann and Palin? You need to talk to people more.

LibertyEagle
06-07-2011, 02:20 PM
I was hoping Ron would come out months ago and make more of an effort to distinguish himself from the astroturf Tea Party. He hasn't really done it. I hope he calls out the imposters in the debates.

That would be really stupid. There are individuals in the Tea Party that got involved because they were ticked off at what our government was doing. Just because some dumbass formed a group and goes around claiming he is the Tea Party, doesn't make it so.

The people in the tea party movement are low-hanging fruit for Ron Paul. They always have been. Instead of distancing ourselves from them, we should embrace them and try to get their votes for Ron Paul.

Austrian Econ Disciple
06-07-2011, 02:55 PM
Tea Partiers don't support Bachmann and Palin? You need to talk to people more.

I didn't read the previous pages, perhaps to my detriment, but when he says 'we', I assume libertarians, Ron Paul supporters, whatever label you want to give those of us, are included in the 'support Bachmann/Palin'. I highly doubt a majority of us support either Bachmann who is for Patriot Act, Shredding the Bill of Rights, and Endless Wars & Palin who really is indiscernable from Bachmann. Correct me if I am wrong -- but, I hope the movement doesn't support the above when there are a litany of people who share our goals and policies who need our support, not authoritarian fraudsters.

parocks
06-07-2011, 03:37 PM
And since the tea party didn't exist until after Obama's election ...


The tea party has been nothing more than a synonym for the gop base since Obama's election.
The gop base always votes for the nominee, so I am not sure how this should be surprising.

parocks
06-07-2011, 03:39 PM
http://parocks.com/ronpaul/june11onmessage.jpg

Godfather of the Tea Party.

Ron Paul is not disassociating himself from the Tea Party.


That would be really stupid. There are individuals in the Tea Party that got involved because they were ticked off at what our government was doing. Just because some dumbass formed a group and goes around claiming he is the Tea Party, doesn't make it so.

The people in the tea party movement are low-hanging fruit for Ron Paul. They always have been. Instead of distancing ourselves from them, we should embrace them and try to get their votes for Ron Paul.

LibertyEagle
06-07-2011, 03:52 PM
Godfather of the Tea Party.

Ron Paul is not disassociating himself from the Tea Party.

I know. :)

parocks
06-07-2011, 04:16 PM
I know. :)

Just backing you up