Behind scenes video: news censoring RP support

[Dave Wood]

http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=244&title=FOX_NEWS_AGAINST_RON_PAUL

[Original_Intent]

Thanks for negating any positive effect my blood pressure medication might have had. :mad:

[kylejack]

Could someone explain what's shown? I can't watch this from work.

[Dave Wood]

Thanks for negating any positive effect my blood pressure medication might have had. :mad:


Sorry. We knew this was going on, just thought it was interesting to see them caught in the act.

[Adamsa]

Interesting.

[Green Mountain Boy]

Could someone explain what's shown? I can't watch this from work.

They are talking about filming and one guy says "I don't want these Ron Paul people, but I need shots of the audience, people eating and crap like that. You know, voiceover..."

[4Horsemen]

I wonder who that guy is? Any names?

[Dave Wood]

I wonder who that guy is? Any names?


Have seen his face on Fox many times but cant tell you a name.

[James R]

Not exactly caught red handed "I don't want these Ron Pauls people" doesn't really mean anything by itself, does it?

[torchbearer]

Have you emailed this to any other media outlets? I bet Adam Curry would love to see this too.

[Brinck Slattery]

yeah, it sounded like a producer deciding what to show in the bumper space during the debates - he probably wanted it content-neutral. But regardless, the guy's a jackass, and he shows just how much respect the media people have for your average Joe.

[Drknows]

Them SOBs!!! I think thats the producer.

Voice over? Crap like that? Dont show Ron Pauls people?

[MyKillK]

Not exactly caught red handed "I don't want these Ron Pauls people" doesn't really mean anything by itself, does it?

Yes, it does. They are intentionally avoiding filming RP's supporters to uphold the facade that he has no real-life support. This is concrete evidence that his image is being suppressed in the media. I would say this is a HUGE deal and Fox News should be forced to come clean about this.

EDIT: You can even see in their body language that he was caught saying something he definitely should not have. He notices shortly after that they are being filmed and then they start acting very oddly, such as turning around and repeating the last thing he said in a mumble before walking off. He definitely had an "oh crap!" look on his face.

[fiddler1]

Yeah , there is no media conspiracy to downplay RP's support. Its all just our imagination... yeah right... This should be shoved down their throats. Maybe one of the other networks would grab onto this. Im sure some of them would love a chance to make Faux News look bad....

[werdd]

people eating and crap like that, with voiceovers LMFAO

i thought it was important to hold a free and unbiased press

rupert murdoch changed that

[werdd]

Yeah , there is no media conspiracy to downplay RP's support. Its all just our imagination... yeah right... This should be shoved down their throats. Maybe one of the other networks would grab onto this. Im sure some of them would love a chance to make Faux News look bad....

We should give it to keith olberman, im sure he would be obliged.

[FrankRep]

Busted!

[Jimmy]

So who is that guy and where are they at? Thats the question I guess.

[Stealth4]

Busted!

So who's emailed this out? To what media outlets?

Has it gotten to Adam Curry?

Please post back so we know where its been sent and where it still needs to go.

[speciallyblend]

Busted,we should arrange this in a nice lil press release and start flooding the ap/rueters and post this for anyone to send to there media sources:) we need a sticky on this one.THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE CNN should be foaming at the mouth for this;)

[Brinck Slattery]

Go nuts with forwarding this, just don't use the word conspiracy. Bias is the preferred nomenclature.

[FrankRep]

Go nuts with forwarding this, just don't use the word conspiracy. Bias is the preferred nomenclature.

good advice.

[constituent]

If you digg, have you dugg it (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Fox_s_Memory_Makers_at_Work)?

[Drknows]

Youtube it!! And lets give it 80,000 views!!

[torchbearer]

I sent the link to Adam Curry's podcast email, asked him to view it and possibly make it a future topic on his podcast. I've never recieved any replies from him before, so i don't expect one now.

[ItsTime]

what he said


Youtube it!! And lets give it 80,000 views!!

[CJP]

Also see:

"Employees Expose FOX NEWS Distortions"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kI8LNTqNo

[amakris]

That's not a fox news guy. I recognize him from Michigan specific TV. He's on a weekly michigan government show or something like that. Maybe a weekend politics show. I want to say PBS or CBS.

[pcosmar]

I saw that guy on Mackinac Island, He was there when Ron Paul got there with a crowd of supporters. He is visible holding a mike while Dr.Paul was speaking. There was NO coverage of the event.
You can see him in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jqIjuiD7E

[wgadget]

I clicked on your link and all I get is "Sorry. Access denied."

??????

[remaxjon]

I can't see it access denied?

[BLS]

Link Doesn't Work.....

[Drknows]

Damn they pulled it

[FrankRep]

They removed the video!

[Drknows]

Quick everyone find it in their cache!!!

[Perry]

Can't view it. Someone want to get this on Google video?

[Valene]

Access Denied! Did anyone get it for youtube? Please say you did.

[torchbearer]

It worked earlier... weird...

[amakris]

I'm hoping they removed it because they realized it isn't fox news. It's a PBS guy or a CBS guy from a local Michigan weekend politics show.

[torchbearer]

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but umm.. yeh, what just happened?

[njandrewg]

how do you find it in the cache

[Brinck Slattery]

it won't be in temp files because it's a flash video, right? Where could I look for this?

[V4Vendetta]

Wow they wanted video of the crowd, but were told to avoid filming the Ron Paul people in the Crowd......

LOL

I wonder if they were told that about the Rudy or Mitt people also?

[constituent]

digg it (http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Fox_s_Memory_Makers_at_Work), this story might have legs if we play it right.

[mkrfctr]

*shrugs* not that big a deal, as stated the dude likely wanted a content-neutral shot of the audience / people there, and since no one else has any support / supporters the only people to mention were Ron Paul people ...

[michaelwise]

Youtube removed my video on Moral Hazard yesterday. It had over 110,000 views.

"After being flagged by members of the YouTube community and reviewed by YouTube staff, the video below has been removed due to its inappropriate nature.

Ron Paul Addresses Banking Hearing on Moral Hazard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHWW5gbc0w"

Here is another usere post of the same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxLXaiWmFB4

[Dave Wood]

CANT BELEIVE THEY KILLED IT THAT FAST! Someone sent a link to What really happened dotcom and their site gets a TON of traffic. Someone must have cought on to it that works for the network.

I really believe this guy IS a fox producer, I know I have seen him on Fox news talk programs before.

Someone has to have a snap shot of this for evidence, somethings up for them to kill it that quick!:mad:

[terlinguatx]

...

[Begood]

Youtube removed my video on Moral Hazard yesterday. It had over 110,000 views.

"After being flagged by members of the YouTube community and reviewed by YouTube staff, the video below has been removed due to its inappropriate nature.

Ron Paul Addresses Banking Hearing on Moral Hazard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHWW5gbc0w"

Here is another usere post of the same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxLXaiWmFB4

Inappropriate?? WTH!!??

Its only Dr Paul asking a question to Bernanke! You should email them and ask them to put back your video online.

incredible

[Drknows]

i got it

[kylejack]

i got it

Going to post it somewhere?

[Drknows]

Going to post it somewhere?

torchbearer posted it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

[katao]

Youtube removed my video on Moral Hazard yesterday. It had over 110,000 views.

"After being flagged by members of the YouTube community and reviewed by YouTube staff, the video below has been removed due to its inappropriate nature.

Ron Paul Addresses Banking Hearing on Moral Hazard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHWW5gbc0w"

Here is another usere post of the same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxLXaiWmFB4

That is BS, "inappropriate"?! - definitely fight that one.

[michaelwise]

Inappropriate?? WTH!!??

Its only Dr Paul asking a question to Bernanke! You should email them and ask them to put back your video online.

incredibleI e-mailed them. We'll see what happens.

[torchbearer]

I'm trying to upload the flv to youtube right now.

[torchbearer]

Ok, the video is processing, i will post the new link when its done.

[Drknows]

Ok, the video is processing, i will post the new link when its done.
come on mr dial up. Haha

[amakris]

Since everyone is ignoring me, I'll say it again: ***IT'S NOT FOX***. Get the guy's name first before you upload any video. He's a Michigan politics tv personality.

[michaelwise]

That is BS, "inappropriate"?! - definitely fight that one.Maybe they just wanted to censor the comments. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=AeHWW5gbc0w

[torchbearer]

this is my channel:
http://www.youtube.com/mepos6639

the video is already uploaded, it says that it is processing right now.

[Begood]

Looks like its not a Fox guy.. maybe change the title?

[Drknows]

this is my channel:
http://www.youtube.com/mepos6639

the video is already uploaded, it says that it is processing right now.

Its up !!! :D

[pcosmar]

Since everyone is ignoring me, I'll say it again: ***IT'S NOT FOX***. Get the guy's name first before you upload any video. He's a Michigan politics tv personality.

The man was standing 10 feet from me with a Fox news microphone in his hand, And there was a TV camera with Fox News on it.
Duh!!!

[kylejack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

[torchbearer]

A direct link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

I'll change the title when i get back, gotta go to the doc, i'm sick.

[pcosmar]

Looks like its not a Fox guy.. maybe change the title?

He IS Fox News.

[kylejack]

He looks a little like John Bolton, heh. Wonder what his name is...

[Dave Wood]

Since everyone is ignoring me, I'll say it again: ***IT'S NOT FOX***. Get the guy's name first before you upload any video. He's a Michigan politics tv personality.

Which one of them are you talking about?

The guy with the big mustache is the one I think is a producer. I dont live in Michagan and I havnt visited in 15 years and I know I have seen that guy on a news program. He is very arrogant, very memorable.

I cant be certain it was Fox but it was one of the big three.......I searched for images of Fox producers on the web but there arent that many out there, but I will keep looking.

There is a reason this was pulled so quickly????

[kylejack]

Since everyone is ignoring me, I'll say it again: ***IT'S NOT FOX***. Get the guy's name first before you upload any video. He's a Michigan politics tv personality.

Then state his name so we can confirm.

[Begood]

Somone wrote a comment on youtube:

That is pundit, Tim Skubik. He hosts a show about Michigan politics on PBS called "Off the Record."

[constitutional]

Somone wrote a comment on youtube:

That is pundit, Tim Skubik. He hosts a show about Michigan politics on PBS called "Off the Record."

Wow, I have a lot of faith in PBS. How did they hire this ahole?

[kylejack]

Somone wrote a comment on youtube:

That is pundit, Tim Skubik. He hosts a show about Michigan politics on PBS called "Off the Record."

Looks correct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzArUWjOlh8

[American]

otr@wkar.org

there is the contact for off the record, lets get busy!!!!

http://wkar.org/offtherecord/

matter of fact, spam the whole station, here are the email addys.

http://wkar.org/inside/contacts.php

[kylejack]

So maybe he was getting footage for his PBS show?

[pcosmar]

You can see him in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTukqZTV6z4
He is on the lower right holding a mike.
The mike said Fox news.

[Dave Wood]

The man was standing 10 feet from me with a Fox news microphone in his hand, And there was a TV camera with Fox News on it.
Duh!!!


pcosmar,

What did you see when this particular video piece was shot? You said you were close.

I know I have seen this guy before:confused:

I really hope I wasnt confusing the guy with John Bolton:o:o

I wonder who shot this clip? Do you know?

[powertothepeople]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tZNlXSn_vC8

[schmeisser]

why email when you can call?

Off the Record
517 432-9527

;)

[powertothepeople]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tZNlXSn_vC8

[kylejack]

You can see him in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTukqZTV6z4
He is on the lower right holding a mike.
The mike said Fox news.

Gimme a timestamp...

[pcosmar]

Gimme a timestamp...

Right after the horse and buggy till the end.
It is not a clear image, but I know what I saw standing there.

[American]

Someone needs to email this to a popular blog or send it over to Lew Rockwell someplace to get this published elsewhere so we can work off if it.

[kylejack]

Okay, he's done some reporting for a LOCAL Fox station, Fox 2. Not Fox News, as far as I can tell. There's a difference.

[constituent]

Someone needs to email this to a popular blog or send it over to Lew Rockwell someplace to get this published elsewhere so we can work off if it.

Like Freeme.tv? Check Ron Paul Nation (http://www.ronpaulnation.com), for updates on grassroots and official campaign news.

[conner_condor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzArUWjOlh8

[kylejack]

Suzanne Skubick gave $250 to Ned Lamont's Senate campaign (Democrat, ran for Senate in CT). His wife?

Edit: Nah, his wife's name is Gayle. Maybe an ex-wife?

[pcosmar]

There was news coverage of all the other candidates.
Ron Paul had the only real support on that Island.
The only News coverage was this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrbZ6cnZKk , from 9&10 news.

[kylejack]

According to his ex-wife, Skubick likes to say that he can't be trusted in any way, shape or form. Hahahaha

http://www.michiganliberal.com/showComment.do?commentId=13869

[amakris]

My memory was correct and someone on youTube gave the actual name: Tim Skubick.

Here is the website of his program "Off the Record" so you can see his picture yourself.

http://www.wkar.org/offtherecord/

[kylejack]

My memory was correct and someone on youTube gave the actual name: Tim Skubick.

Here is the website of his program "Off the Record" so you can see his picture yourself.

http://www.wkar.org/offtherecord/

Yes, its been covered.

[kenc9]

http://www.mprn.org/inside/staff/images/full/skubick.jpg

Tim Skubick
Anchor and Producer
Independent Producer.
Phone: 517 432-9527
Email: skubick@wkar.org
Room:

Tim Skubick is anchor and producer of the weekly public TV series "Off the Record." “Off the Record” is seen on Michigan public television stations and has an audience of 100,000 viewers each week.

[MyKillK]

http://www.mprn.org/inside/staff/images/full/skubick.jpg

Tim Skubick
Anchor and Producer
Independent Producer.
Phone: 517 432-9527
Email: skubick@wkar.org
Room:

Tim Skubick is anchor and producer of the weekly public TV series "Off the Record." “Off the Record” is seen on Michigan public television stations and has an audience of 100,000 viewers each week.

"Independent Producer" eh? Combined with the other video that shows him holding a Fox News mic, this leavess the possibility that he was doing work for Fox News national for the debate. Does anyone know if this show Off the Record covered the debate? It's important for us to figure out exactly what coverage he was talking about when he said he doesn't want RPs people.

[kylejack]

"Independent Producer" eh? Combined with the other video that shows him holding a Fox News mic, this leavess the possibility that he was doing work for Fox News national for the debate. Does anyone know if this show Off the Record covered the debate? It's important for us to figure out exactly what coverage he was talking about when he said he doesn't want RPs people.

My googles indicated he was working for local station Fox 2 at the debate.

[kenc9]

"Independent Producer" eh? Combined with the other video that shows him holding a Fox News mic, this leavess the possibility that he was doing work for Fox News national for the debate. Does anyone know if this show Off the Record covered the debate? It's important for us to figure out exactly what coverage he was talking about when he said he doesn't want RPs people.

Email him the link and ask him! :eek:

[MyKillK]

Yea, I agree: I suggest sending POLITE emails to both the station and Skubick himself. I will and so should you. Please don't send him anything angry or malicious because that certainly won't help the cause.

EDIT: Here is the e-mail I sent...

Hello sir,

As you are most likely aware, a video has surfaced on the internet that features you at the Mackinaw island debate reception. In this video, you are heard stating that you do not want Ron Paul's supporters seen in your coverage. I am sending you this e-mail as a polite request to explain your statement and why you don't feel Ron Paul's supporters should be visible. It is apparent in the video that you become quite uncomfortable after learning you are being filmed and soon walk away.

I'm sure you know that Ron Paul supporters are very organized so I suggest quickly moving to make a statement regarding this video. Otherwise you are going to be vilified once this video and story rapidly spread through the massive web of Ron Paul supporters.

EDIT #2: skubick@wkar.org is NOT a valid e-mail address. Might he not work for public broadcasting anymore?

[fiddler1]

hahaha.. Perfect....

[kylejack]

otr@wkar.org

[schmeisser]

you could try

tim.skubick@wilx.com

[schmeisser]

you want his home phone #?

[leipo]

http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=244&title=FOX_NEWS_AGAINST_RON_PAUL

This link does not work. Is there another link where i can see this?

[kylejack]

This link does not work. Is there another link where i can see this?

Yes.

[leipo]

Well, please share it with me..

[kylejack]

Well, please share it with me..

Its earlier in the thread, a Youtube link.

[leipo]

ok, cool.

[parke]

pcosmar,

What did you see when this particular video piece was shot? You said you were close.

I know I have seen this guy before:confused:

I really hope I wasnt confusing the guy with John Bolton:o:o

I wonder who shot this clip? Do you know?

He does look like John Bolton..

[texasbelle]

wow... appalling!

[American]

I also sent this to some of the other news agencies. I know CNN, MSNBC love to show how FOX censors the news.

Hardball, Tucker, situation room, Lou Dobbs....:)

Come on now, keep up the pressure on these trolls. Someone has to play this footage somewhere else....

[Roxi]

guys that looks like skubic but i don't think it is... after watching other videos of tim skubik, his ears are smaller, and looks a lot taller than the guy in the video were seeing

AND the guy that said it was skubik posted another comment saying it just looked like him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

[Roxi]

oh also this needs to be pushed up on Youtube only 200 some odd views.... please rate and comment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

[fiddler1]

I think it is posted at least twice on utube with different urls... since it was rescued..

[American]

I just got a reply from Tim Skubick...


Hi ME :): Thanks for getting in touch and yes, I indeed do have a more than reasonable explanation and thank you for the opportunity to clear it up. As you know I've been at this business for about 38 years and have always tried to be fair in my coverge. Toward that objective, had your cameras been outside on the porch of the Grand Hotel you would have seen that I did an extensive interview with candidate Mr. Paul and shot extensive video of his supporters, their rally and his speech to them. By the time we got into the lunch room where you were, I was looking for video that was not associated with anyone candidate, we call it generic video. We did not shoot any Romney folks, Paul folks or anyone else for that matter. Hence we were not trying to censor Mr.
Paul. Quite the opposite, we gave him equal treatment with all the other candidates. I'm sure in your sense of fairness you understand this and perhaps your video of alleged censorship might be altered. I deeply appreciate your participation in the political process and also appreciate you bringing this to my attention. BTW we would be more than pleased to have Mr. Paul appear on our Off the Record television broadcast and if you can help make that happen, I would be grateful.
Thanks again..Tim Skubick.

So apparently we were EVERYWHERE and they couldnt get a generic video of the debate without a Ron Paul supporter in the video.....lying bastard....

but he wants to know if we can get Ron Paul on his program....?

[kylejack]

I just got a reply from Tim Skubick...



So apparently we were EVERYWHERE and they couldnt get a generic video of the debate without a Ron Paul supporter in the video.....lying bastard....

Audience of 100K viewers each week. Maybe we should contact the campaign and let them know...

[American]

Audience of 100K viewers each week. Maybe we should contact the campaign and let them know...

Do we have an inside track to Ron Paul for this, I think we should if we do!!

[constitutional]

I just got a reply from Tim Skubick...



So apparently we were EVERYWHERE and they couldnt get a generic video of the debate without a Ron Paul supporter in the video.....lying bastard....

but he wants to know if we can get Ron Paul on his program....?

I believe him, give him a chance. Yes, he was rude but give him a chance.

Lets hope the campaign says yes to accept this his invitation on the show.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Was this the same Mackinac conference where Ron Paul supporters harassed Rudy Giuliani on the ferry ride about 9/11truther sh*t? >.<;

[Jimmy]

Sounds reasonable...and hes offering a spot for Ron Paul....took alittle leverage but... LOL....Good deal.

[werdd]

he knows the ratings are gonna be great lol... i say we do it

[Stealth4]

Sounds reasonable...and hes offering a spot for Ron Paul....took alittle leverage but... LOL....Good deal.

This is a kick-ass outcome for something like this - and to think all this happened in one day. Now we have an opportunity for RP to get more coverage in a key state!

This is why it always pays to get the facts straight first before acting - something I didnt do in my first post. I thank the person who wrote to this man to get clarification.

1) Is someone running with this to the campaign?

2) Can the video be taken down / or altered for now so we dont slander this man's name?

[American]

I just called the Campaign and (actually talked to someone) will forward the email I got to them, hopefully this will go somewhere...

:)

[constitutional]

This is a kick-ass outcome for something like this - and to think all this happened in one day. Now we have an opportunity for RP to get more coverage in a key state!

This is why it always pays to get the facts straight first before acting - something I didnt do in my first post. I thank the person who wrote to this man to get clarification.

1) Is someone running with this to the campaign?

2) Can the video be taken down / or altered for now so we dont slander this man's name?


I'll answer your 2nd question. It's impossible. It's on Digg's upcoming section.

[Stealth4]

I'll answer your 2nd question. It's impossible. It's on Digg's upcoming section.

Even if its linked on digg - cant the actual video be taken down? Who put it up - I thought the author could take it down?

[constitutional]

Even if its linked on digg - cant the actual video be taken down? Who put it up - I thought the author could take it down?

Contact http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=600

I believe he is responsible for putting it up. I hope he listens.

[Stealth4]

Contact http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=600

I believe he is responsible for putting it up. I hope he listens.

I messaged him.

[American]

No, this should just run as is, his story doesnt completely wash either. I didnt hear him say anything about not showing Romney supporters in this piece as he said in the email.

I sent this off to the official campaign saying the same thing. I have no control over the video.

I should also mention that in my original email I had said I sent this out to OTHER news agencies to get there take on it....

anyone send out other emails.....?....=\

I think I will, I would hate to think I lied to him like that....:D

LEAVE THE VIDEO TILL WE GET WHAT WE WANT OUT OF THIS!!!!!!

Damn, you guys are to easy

[Adamsa]

He looks like John Bolton, but John Bolton isn't part of the media.

*waits for someone to say he is

[American]

John Bolton just crazy looking dude, maybe it is.

[DjLoTi]

Dude I'm going to post in this never ending bumped thread that everyone keeps posting on OMG WTF LOLZZZ111!!11!1

And my comments will be buried

BUT WHO CARES?!?!?

Maybe he had a good reason for it. Maybe he didn't want partisan support in the shot.

By all means, do w/e you want to do to try and 'expose' him, best of luck, but don't keep bumping it on RPF ..

[American]

Dude I'm going to post in this never ending bumped thread that everyone keeps posting on OMG WTF LOLZZZ111!!11!1

And my comments will be buried

BUT WHO CARES?!?!?

Maybe he had a good reason for it. Maybe he didn't want partisan support in the shot.

By all means, do w/e you want to do to try and 'expose' him, best of luck, but don't keep bumping it on RPF ..

Maybe we should ask torchbearer to add some "inner city urban music" to the video would that make it better?

[torchbearer]

I just got back from hours at the Docs office to find all this stuff has happened, i put the video up on youtube to save it because the original site took it down, i had no other agenda but to preserve the evidence... and as such, it will stay preserved. the people on the video speak for themselves... I didn't make the video, nor have i edited it in anyway. If the people who are on the video personally ask me to take it down, then i will consider taking it down. until then, it is for public consumption.

[torchbearer]

Looks like the video has already garnered three honors, maybe it needs to get the 80,000 views so people can see for themselves what we are up against...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7guZJMZLvkc

[lx43]

These people will stop at nothing to hold on to power.

[torchbearer]

I sent it out in a mass email. people need to see this...

[Nathan Hale]

First, we have no evidence that these guys are in any way associated with Fox.

Second, this video isn't evidence of conspiracy. The guy was describing some shots he wanted, probably to his crew. He didn't want shots of activists, he wanted shots of people enjoying the proceedings, or "eating and crap like that". I've been in the media, and I can assure you, this sounds callous but it's just technical stuff you do to get the shots you want from your crew. If there was a huge crowd there with signs and banners, being loud, rooting for Giuliani or Thompson, my educated guess is he would have said the same thing.

Once again we get a piece of circumstantial "evidence", taken totally out of context, and paint it up as a conspiracy to keep down Ron Paul.

[MozoVote]

But we definately have evidence that tape of people eating crap was what he wanted. :D

[torchbearer]

First, we have no evidence that these guys are in any way associated with Fox.

Second, this video isn't evidence of conspiracy. The guy was describing some shots he wanted, probably to his crew. He didn't want shots of activists, he wanted shots of people enjoying the proceedings, or "eating and crap like that". I've been in the media, and I can assure you, this sounds callous but it's just technical stuff you do to get the shots you want from your crew. If there was a huge crowd there with signs and banners, being loud, rooting for Giuliani or Thompson, my educated guess is he would have said the same thing.

Once again we get a piece of circumstantial "evidence", taken totally out of context, and paint it up as a conspiracy to keep down Ron Paul.

I'm not promoting a conspiracy, I'm putting the evidence out there for each person to decide for themselves. That is all. Voice your opinion, but the video will stay.
Go watch "The End of America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

[pcosmar]

First, we have no evidence that these guys are in any way associated with Fox.

Second, this video isn't evidence of conspiracy. The guy was describing some shots he wanted, probably to his crew. He didn't want shots of activists, he wanted shots of people enjoying the proceedings, or "eating and crap like that". I've been in the media, and I can assure you, this sounds callous but it's just technical stuff you do to get the shots you want from your crew. If there was a huge crowd there with signs and banners, being loud, rooting for Giuliani or Thompson, my educated guess is he would have said the same thing.

Once again we get a piece of circumstantial "evidence", taken totally out of context, and paint it up as a conspiracy to keep down Ron Paul.

BULSHIT

There is video evidence of the man with a FOX News mike in his hand. There was a FOX camera man with a camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTukqZTV6z4
There was NO media coverage except the 9&10 news bit .
All the other candidates were covered, Non-candidates were covered. No show candidates were covered.
Ron Paul had,by far, the most support there. No mention, no coverage.
ON Purpose

[James R]

EDIT: You can even see in their body language that he was caught saying something he definitely should not have. He notices shortly after that they are being filmed and then they start acting very oddly, such as turning around and repeating the last thing he said in a mumble before walking off. He definitely had an "oh crap!" look on his face.

It IS absolute proof they wanted to avoid filming the Ron Paul supporters. It does not prove WHY he wanted to avoid them. We have proven the means, but not the motive. Do you agree on that or no?

[pcosmar]

Many reporters, many cameras.
The only News report. Local 9&10 News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrbZ6cnZKk

[American]

First, we have no evidence that these guys are in any way associated with Fox.

Second, this video isn't evidence of conspiracy. The guy was describing some shots he wanted, probably to his crew. He didn't want shots of activists, he wanted shots of people enjoying the proceedings, or "eating and crap like that". I've been in the media, and I can assure you, this sounds callous but it's just technical stuff you do to get the shots you want from your crew. If there was a huge crowd there with signs and banners, being loud, rooting for Giuliani or Thompson, my educated guess is he would have said the same thing.

Once again we get a piece of circumstantial "evidence", taken totally out of context, and paint it up as a conspiracy to keep down Ron Paul.


No one pay any attention to this troll, remember his name he says the same stuff just about everything either anti-paul or just wants to disagree with everyone.

If I was the moderators I would ban him personally. New people dont know he is a troll.

[torchbearer]

No one pay any attention to this troll, remember his name he says the same stuff just about everything either anti-paul or just wants to disagree with everyone.

If I was the moderators I would ban him personally. New people dont know he is a troll.

I don't ban anyone, I just encourage people to put trolls on ignore, and to ignore them... a ban is reserved for those who are extremely abusive and spamming post over and over... leaving no other options.
I don't want to ban opposing views are even "negative nancies", even when i can't stand them.
just ignore them.. and do what you know is right.

[torchbearer]

bump

[Nathan Hale]

I'm not promoting a conspiracy, I'm putting the evidence out there for each person to decide for themselves. That is all. Voice your opinion, but the video will stay.
Go watch "The End of America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

...and I contend that the video SHOULD stay. In fact I encourage people to watch the video. But watch it with a bit of context. It's a television crew planning a shoot, not a conspiracy to destroy Ron Paul, which is what many others (if not yourself) are puffing it up to be.

[Nathan Hale]

BULSHIT

I sympathize. I really do. It's a tough thing to accept, but life isn't as sexy as we make it out to be. Ron Paul is screwed over by the system, which is designed to focus on celebrity candidates. Hell, the media picks the frontrunners by publicizing them b/c of their celebrity status long before they even declare their candidacy. But there is no evil motive to it. No plan to keep Ron down. They're just trying to make as much money as possible. Puffing a presidential race is their game, and the best way to puff it is with candidates who are highly "visible" in the popular culture. There is no other reason on the planet that the GOP would ever pick Rudolph Guiliani as their favored son, I don't care now neoconservative they are.


There is video evidence of the man with a FOX News mike in his hand. There was a FOX camera man with a camera.

Which video are you talking about, the first one or the one you link to below? If you're talking about the initial video there is no evidence that either of the guys talking had anything to do with Fox News.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTukqZTV6z4
There was NO media coverage except the 9&10 news bit .
All the other candidates were covered, Non-candidates were covered. No show candidates were covered.
Ron Paul had,by far, the most support there. No mention, no coverage.
ON Purpose

You're making several broad assumptions here.

First, you're disparaging the 9 & 10 news bit, which reaches millions of people at much higher ratings and as such would be, in my book, a much better coverage buy than 30 seconds on Fox news.

Second, you're assuming that Fox national a) didn't cover Paul and b) covered everybody else. Perhaps they missed the one speech you linked to, but they filmed him at the event and filmed him at his rally.

Third, you're assuming that FOX national failed to cover him as a matter of intent, and not as a matter of simply not being informed. It happens a lot in news. Intel gets lost, people get snatched up on other projects. Interviews fall through the crack. I've been in media, I know the game.

But this is all irrelevant, because if I'm not mistaken, the Giuliani ferry incident was the single biggest news story to make it out of Mackinaw. Ron Paul got a lot of coverage at that event, and it was coverage of a most populist and positive kind. You can thank the media for it, including Fox News who aired the piece numerous times.

[Nathan Hale]

No one pay any attention to this troll, remember his name he says the same stuff just about everything either anti-paul or just wants to disagree with everyone.

If I was the moderators I would ban him personally. New people dont know he is a troll.

I invite everybody who reads this to search my posts and determine on their own what I am and what I am not.

I won't deny that I disagree with a few people on these boards, but my grievances are aired for the good of the campaign and they are presented logically, appealing to the nature of the attempt and its strategic value. American on the other hand, is hysterically labeling me a plant, sent here by dark forces to sow the seeds of discord in the Paulite legions.

As I said earlier, I encourage everyone who reads this to search a few of my recent threads and learn what I'm about.

[RonPaulStreetTeam]

it's not a "conspiracy" it's blackout.

they ALWAYS shoot around Ron Paul banners.
they want you to think he has no support.
They dont want their viewers seeing he has a bunch of people at every event so they ALWAYS shoot AROUND them.

is that a "conspiracy" or a blackout?
it sure is a LIE.
I hate people that throw that word around all the time as if everyone's paranoid. We got a lot of disinfo and othersiders on this board trying to make us look bad by saying anything we bring up is a conspiracy and calling us paranoid.

[Elwar]

All it proves is that Fox News likes crap on their network.

[Cindy]

We should give it to keith olberman, im sure he would be obliged.

We knew it was going on.


Some news outlet should cover this though. That would be a RIOT to show the American audience about how FOX presents "fair "coverage. They need to hear a Fox producer saying, " I don't want the Paul supporters shown. Show an audience eating crap instead. "


Whose got links? I'll gladly send the video to Fox news competitors.

For anyone who can't watch the video, it was taken ninja style at the Makinaw Islands Straw Poll.

[pcosmar]

I sympathize. I really do. It's a tough thing to accept, but life isn't as sexy as we make it out to be. Ron Paul is screwed over by the system, which is designed to focus on celebrity candidates. Hell, the media picks the frontrunners by publicizing them b/c of their celebrity status long before they even declare their candidacy. But there is no evil motive to it. No plan to keep Ron down. They're just trying to make as much money as possible. Puffing a presidential race is their game, and the best way to puff it is with candidates who are highly "visible" in the popular culture. There is no other reason on the planet that the GOP would ever pick Rudolph Guiliani as their favored son, I don't care now neoconservative they are.



Which video are you talking about, the first one or the one you link to below? If you're talking about the initial video there is no evidence that either of the guys talking had anything to do with Fox News.



You're making several broad assumptions here.

First, you're disparaging the 9 & 10 news bit, which reaches millions of people at much higher ratings and as such would be, in my book, a much better coverage buy than 30 seconds on Fox news.

Second, you're assuming that Fox national a) didn't cover Paul and b) covered everybody else. Perhaps they missed the one speech you linked to, but they filmed him at the event and filmed him at his rally.

Third, you're assuming that FOX national failed to cover him as a matter of intent, and not as a matter of simply not being informed. It happens a lot in news. Intel gets lost, people get snatched up on other projects. Interviews fall through the crack. I've been in media, I know the game.

But this is all irrelevant, because if I'm not mistaken, the Giuliani ferry incident was the single biggest news story to make it out of Mackinaw. Ron Paul got a lot of coverage at that event, and it was coverage of a most populist and positive kind. You can thank the media for it, including Fox News who aired the piece numerous times.

Nathan Hale
BULLSHIT



But this is all irrelevant, because if I'm not mistaken, the Giuliani ferry incident was the single biggest news story to make it out of Mackinaw

The 'Ferry incident" was a hit piece, A lie told by a Romney activist.
The Mackinac Conference was well covered by all news outlets. ALL the other candidates were covered, No show candidates were covered, NON-candidates were covered.
Ron Paul was not covered, The huge support for him was not covered.
There are several videos shot by supporters, NOTHING from any major News.

[Nathan Hale]

it's not a "conspiracy" it's blackout.

they ALWAYS shoot around Ron Paul banners.
they want you to think he has no support.
They dont want their viewers seeing he has a bunch of people at every event so they ALWAYS shoot AROUND them.

is that a "conspiracy" or a blackout?
it sure is a LIE.
I hate people that throw that word around all the time as if everyone's paranoid. We got a lot of disinfo and othersiders on this board trying to make us look bad by saying anything we bring up is a conspiracy and calling us paranoid.

A "blackout", if intentional, is a conspiracy, is it not? I contend that there is no evidence of a concerted blackout, only the normal, everyday bias toward that which is profitable.

[Nathan Hale]

Nathan Hale
BULLSHIT


Well if you say so, it must be true. As we all know, yelling "bullshit" beats actually addressing my concerns. Let's all give a round of applause to pcosmar. <clap><clap><clap> Honestly. If it wasn't for your logic I'd be lost in this world. Bravo, fair citizen.




The 'Ferry incident" was a hit piece, A lie told by a Romney activist.

And yet spun into a populist Ron Paul extravaganza not only by the media but BY THE CAMPAIGN AND ALL ITS SUPPORTERS. And, of course, I know that you have decisive evidence that it was all some Romney supporter, preferably evidence that wasn't found by the Department of Things Pulled Out of Your Ass.


The Mackinac Conference was well covered by all news outlets. ALL the other candidates were covered, No show candidates were covered, NON-candidates were covered.
Ron Paul was not covered, The huge support for him was not covered.
There are several videos shot by supporters, NOTHING from any major News.

And you have evidence to prove this? You saw all the other candidates covered, no show candidates covered, and Ron Paul NOT covered? I'm sure that during the 48 hours you sat watching 5 news media networks simultaneously you had to take a bathroom break at least once.

[pcosmar]

Well if you say so, it must be true. As we all know, yelling "bullshit" beats actually addressing my concerns. Let's all give a round of applause to pcosmar. <clap><clap><clap> Honestly. If it wasn't for your logic I'd be lost in this world. Bravo, fair citizen.




And yet spun into a populist Ron Paul extravaganza not only by the media but BY THE CAMPAIGN AND ALL ITS SUPPORTERS. And, of course, I know that you have decisive evidence that it was all some Romney supporter, preferably evidence that wasn't found by the Department of Things Pulled Out of Your Ass.



And you have evidence to prove this? You saw all the other candidates covered, no show candidates covered, and Ron Paul NOT covered? I'm sure that during the 48 hours you sat watching 5 news media networks simultaneously you had to take a bathroom break at least once.

Do you work for Faux News.
Or are you just trolling here.

Here is some,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jqIjuiD7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrbZ6cnZKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHLF5b3BlPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUE7RQ5I_g8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bRmCxOdJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE5q4oyCUQU
Just a few videos of the event,
This is an example of the news coverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWded8Odw4

The Romney Activist name is Ed Wyszynski, He is known, and is allegation was debunked.
This was a major event here and for the Republican Party.
I was There. I can call bullshit.
http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2007/09/ron-paul-on-mackinac-island.html
http://bp1.blogger.com/_X5ydAghO8zQ/RvWR9ShlOdI/AAAAAAAAAFI/uOmmBX14YFs/s320/IM000343.JPG

If you have proof of Major network coverage of Ron Paul please post your proof. Otherwise STFU!!

[american.swan]

Thanks for negating any positive effect my blood pressure medication might have had. :mad:

ROTFLOL This forum cracks me up. You couldn't have said it better.

[Nathan Hale]

Do you work for Faux News.
Or are you just trolling here.

Good job, go for the character assassination. Your mother must be very proud.



Here is some,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jqIjuiD7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrbZ6cnZKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHLF5b3BlPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUE7RQ5I_g8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bRmCxOdJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE5q4oyCUQU
Just a few videos of the event,
This is an example of the news coverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWded8Odw4

You're showing me examples of news coverage. That's just great. But you're claiming that there was no coverage of Ron Paul. What you should be claiming is that you didn't SEE any coverage of Ron Paul. BIG difference.


The Romney Activist name is Ed Wyszynski, He is known, and is allegation was debunked.

What allegation, exactly? You made it sound like a Romney activist "created" the story about the Paul supporters chanting and Giuliani hiding in the boat in MI. That actually happened. Perhaps we're not on the same page.


This was a major event here and for the Republican Party.

And, as I stated, Paul's popular support and the boat ride incident was the biggest story to emerge from there.


I was There. I can call bullshit.
http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2007/09/ron-paul-on-mackinac-island.html
http://bp1.blogger.com/_X5ydAghO8zQ/RvWR9ShlOdI/AAAAAAAAAFI/uOmmBX14YFs/s320/IM000343.JPG


And you can call bullshit all you want. But you have to back it up.



If you have proof of Major network coverage of Ron Paul please post your proof. Otherwise STFU!

Excuse you - but the burden of proof is not on me. You made the claim - YOU back it up.