Hosts of "The View" talk about Republican Presidential contenders

[georgiaboy]

I have no video, but I caught the intro segment of the show this morning. Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Walters, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Joy Behar, and Sherri Shephard talking national stories. They started with Weiner-gate, and then moved on to "but the real story is this great great Depression we're in! And why aren't the Republican contenders talking about the economy?"

Then the "republican" on the panel, Hasselbeck, stated over and over if you wanna get someone who knows about and can fix the economy, you go with Romney. Romney, Romney, Romney.

To which I ask, why? What did Romney do, and what is he proposing, that makes him the best candidate out there on the economy? I've heard it mentioned that he ran a successful business, but honestly I don't know the details, and here on the forums we always say that his achilles heel is his healthcare plan in Mass. Hasselbeck was willing to overlook his healthcare plan, though, because he's apparently so good on the economy, and that's where the big problem in the country is.

I think this is important for us to be able to address, because I know RP is the best for the economy, but I don't know why Romney is not.

Did Romney really run a successful business prior to becoming governor of Mass? Was Massachusetts economically better off after Romney's term(s) as governor? Does he have a bang-up plan to reduce spending?

BTW, no real mention of other GOP contenders, just Romney.

[libertygrl]

I know. I saw the same thing. No one ever mentions Ron Paul. They just never take him seriously. :(

[Ekrub]

Why are you watching the View?

[Sentient Void]

Everyone automatically thinks that someone can handle the economy better, and make government 'more efficient' - because they worked in a market environment, had to respond to market signals, and were successful while doing so.

The problem with this is that it doesn't matter how successful you were as a businessman. It's completely irrelevant. Successful businessman or not, if you think you can make the government 'more efficient' - or 'run it like a business', etc - you are absolutely 100% *doomed to fail*. The reason why is economic. Government entities do not get the same signals as voluntary market participants do. The don't nor can they get the 'price signal', nor are beholden to any profit and loss signals. Theycannot know if what they are doing is an efficient let alone half-decent use of scarce resources. And they don't need to manage their finances and respond to consumer demands like the market - if they need more revenue, they don't have to compete, lower prices, or increase quality of their good or service - they just increase their revenue stream by mandate through taxation. Businesses can't do this in a voluntary market - they need to convince you to patron them.

On top of that, businesses are beholden to profits to survive and succeed And prosper - the state is beholden to politics and special interests.

The problem is inherent in the very nature of government. Too many people don't realize these things.

[Sentient Void]

The only people who can solve our economic woes are those who truly understand and *appreciate* the beauty, morality and utility of the free market - and have an incorruptible or almost incorruptible desire to see it realized and understand and acknowledge the benefits it will bring to the economy and themselves through a rapid increase in prosperity (perhaps after a very necessary but painful correction first).

We *need* true blue free market ideologues. Ron Paul is the only one up there like that. And maybe Gary Johnson.

[Chester Copperpot]

Romneys a banker fuck him

[Jeremy]

She just supports Romney, that's why she would say something like that. That simple.

[LibertyEagle]

Ron needs to put out a concrete plan. The "we could do this" or "we could do that" just is not going to fly this time around. It didn't last time either.

[Sentient Void]

Seriously though - this hate for 'bankers' in the libertarian and Ron Paul movement needs to go. A libertarian society would be absolutely full of banks.

Central banks - now thats another issue altogether of course.

[low preference guy]

Seriously though - this hate for 'bankers' in the libertarian and Ron Paul movement needs to go. A libertarian society would be absolutely full of banks.

I disagree. Banks today are criminal organizations in bed with the government.

[Thomas]

Ron needs to put out a concrete plan. The "we could do this" or "we could do that" just is not going to fly this time around. It didn't last time either.

agreed, this is something every campaign does, it's a necessity

[Sentient Void]

I disagree. Banks today are criminal organizations in bed with the government.

Disagree all you want. It's a bunch of bullshit, emotional, knee-jerk, reactionism. Many banks are hostages within the system (not all, for example BoA, CitiGroup, Chase, Wells Fargo, etc) and must conform to it's shitty laws and impositions of a monopoly, price controls, and regulations via the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government.

[KingRobbStark]

Everyone automatically thinks that someone can handle the economy better, and make government 'more efficient' - because they worked in a market environment, had to respond to market signals, and were successful while doing so.

The problem with this is that it doesn't matter how successful you were as a businessman. It's completely irrelevant. Successful businessman or not, if you think you can make the government 'more efficient' - or 'run it like a business', etc - you are absolutely 100% *doomed to fail*. The reason why is economic. Government entities do not get the same signals as voluntary market participants do. The don't nor can they get the 'price signal', nor are beholden to any profit and loss signals. Theycannot know if what they are doing is an efficient let alone half-decent use of scarce resources. And they don't need to manage their finances and respond to consumer demands like the market - if they need more revenue, they don't have to compete, lower prices, or increase quality of their good or service - they just increase their revenue stream by mandate through taxation. Businesses can't do this in a voluntary market - they need to convince you to patron them.

On top of that, businesses are beholden to profits to survive and succeed And prosper - the state is beholden to politics and special interests.

The problem is inherent in the very nature of government. Too many people don't realize these things.

You have earned my first +Rep. Congratulations.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Then the "republican" on the panel, Hasselbeck, stated over and over if you wanna get someone who knows about and can fix the economy, you go with Romney. Romney, Romney, Romney.

To which I ask, why? What did Romney do, and what is he proposing, that makes him the best candidate out there on the economy?
BTW, no real mention of other GOP contenders, just Romney. Shows you these dumb ass daytime shows, just how rigged they are too. Romney knows how to fix the economy? HAH

"RomneyCare" Mandate Mitt's Gem of socialism, has the highest premiums in the nations and a couple BILLION in debt, to boot!

The View, Hasslebeck, et al are statist bird-brains, that just parrot what they are told. Pretty insulting considering Ron Paul was on their show not too long ago. Hasslebeck is Shit.

[JJonesMBA]

Ok, to answer the question, "What did Romney do as a businessman?," is an absolutely great question, since running a successful business requires a skill not often found in potential presidential candidates.

Of course his Bush-era foreign policy would be wrong for our country, so I would not want him in charge of the entire government apparatus, but the fact remains that he started his own private equity aka financial consulting company (Bain Capital) as a spin-off from one of the most successful & prestigious management consulting firms (Bain).

This means he not only knows where to invest, & where to cut your losses, but also how to grow a company, turn it around, and cut the fat. He knows how to actually implement a well-developed strategy to increase the bottom line. With these skills, Romney could be a valuable ally in actually accomplishing the country's imperative objectives as set by a conservative president, but the question remains, what is Romney's vision for a constitutionally conservative federal government for America?

I surmise that Gov. Romney could be a great consultant to a President Ron Paul at a cabinet-level position to help achieve RP's stated goals of overseeing the administration's objectives of reducing government waste, divesting of unproductive assets, & increased efficiency in government operations.

Again, the business experience means he can talk the talk, and walk the walk. The key to beating Romney in the primaries is to challenge him on his vision for America. My two cents, at least.

Oh, & btw, Gov. Gary Johnson's experience rivals Romney's for the same talents & skills, although GJ has more long-term experience at organic growth rather than inorganic growth (i.e. M&A). That said, I would most definitely include them both as potential assets to a Paul presidency as official advisors to a President Paul with a clear vision & mission for the government. If not inner circle advisors, their public credibility lends them both as potential spokespeople at the helm of some commission, department or agency to effectively implement Dr. Paul's limited government goals.