[June 4th Dance at TJ's!] Live Stream - jeffersondanceparty.info

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Apparently, there will be a live stream of the events at the Jefferson Memorial in D.C. this Saturday June 4th. It is scheduled from 12-1 EST but you may want to check there a bit earlier. Will update this thread with more info when it comes.

http://jeffersondanceparty.info/

[Nate-ForLiberty]

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[Aratus]

24 hrs

[Nate-ForLiberty]

almost there!

[ericsnow]

Sweet was hoping there'd be a stream.

[angelatc]

cool. But now I gotta see if I can get my computer to stream over one of the TVs I have downstairs. :)

[JK/SEA]

This will definetly be interesting. If i had to guess, i'm gonna bet they won't be allowed inside the memorial due to a strong show of force of para-military police. ''i'm sorry, the memorial is closed today for cleaning and routine maintainance''...please come again..thankyou..have a nice day.

[ericsnow]

Why is the video stream quality so poor? Anyone else?

[speciallyblend]

kewl will try to watch stream for awhile before i have to go to the denver to dance for liberty and freedom and support Adam Kokesh!! Me and my wife and my chihuahua(butters) are going to capital to shake our booties:)

[CaseyJones]

stream watching party in chat


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_F74xBvkk

[Philmanoman]

wouldnt it be awesome if ron paul was there...or is it just me

[speciallyblend]

have a good day guys and gals! gotta get ready to go dance myself at 12 colorado time in denver!

[CaseyJones]

what happened to the stream? :(

[CaseyJones]

woohooo back now!

[AGRP]

AR15s!? :eek:

[ericsnow]

AR15s!? :eek:

wow that's crazy

[Bryan]

They've got 915 people viewing... and counting..

[mport1]

Almost 1,000 viewers!

[asurfaholic]

it is crazy that they send a couple cops out there with assault rifles. Whats the logic, other than to intimidate the public

[Bryan]

They lost video...but back. Kokesh is not speaking.

[RP4Pres2008]

Kokesh is speaking now...seems like they are about to dance.

[Bryan]

1200 viewers.

[RP4Pres2008]

Where is the music??

[RP4Pres2008]

Wow...they actually pulled it off...

[Aratus]

coooooooooooool!

[ericsnow]

Can't really see anything. Pretty bad quality.

[Bryan]

They are dancing...

[Bryan]

Can't really see anything. Pretty bad quality.

Just got better.

[Bryan]

Some guy is dressed as Lincoln. lol.

[Theocrat]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.

[RP4Pres2008]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.

To be fair, that was the least enthusiastic chant...their freedom and liberty ones were much louder.

[TruckinMike]

To the LEOS standing down:

"you work for us...this is what freedom looks like gentlemen"

[Bryan]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.
Yeah, and people in the char aren't happy about that either.

They've got 1,450 viewers.

Police are standing down...

[Theocrat]

Someone just shouted Ron Paul's name. Oh great...

[RP4Pres2008]

Here comes the police...man, I hope it stays peaceful.

[Bryan]

Here comes the police...man, I hope it stays peaceful.

Me too.

[TruckinMike]

They just had to exert "their" authority...they couldn't stand being out of control. Psychopaths.

[ericsnow]

TJ! Lol

[QueenB4Liberty]

There are a lot of people there.

[garyallen59]

call park police tell them to stop harassing innocent peaceful people 202-426-6710

[mport1]

Over 2,000 viewers!

[Philmanoman]

The police horse took a shit right in front of the steps LOL...

[mport1]

The police horse took a shit right in front of the steps LOL...

And you know they aren't going to clean that up.

[Aratus]

^ this is our tax dollars at work?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Hears a Report on "The Second Protest at Jefferson Memorial": http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/06/second-protest-at-jefferson-memorial/



Second protest at Jefferson Memorial

Written by: Michael Maharrey (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/author/michael-maharrey/)

WASHINGTON – (June 4, 2011) – Protesters kept their promise to silently dance at the Jefferson Memorial today.
Last week (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/five-arrested-during-first-amendment-protest-at-jefferson-memorial/#more-7872), Capitol Park Police arrested four men and a woman for illegally dancing inside the monument, charging them with demonstrating without a permit.
The dancers were protesting a recent court ruling upholding the 2008 arrest of Mary Oberwetter.
Oberwetter was part of a group of 18 people who went to the Jefferson Memorial in April of that year to celebrate the third president’s birthday. Just before midnight, the flash mob began dancing silently to honor “the individualist spirit for which Jefferson is known.” U.S. Park Police warned the group to stop and ultimately arrested Oberwetter, charging her with demonstrating without a permit and interfering with an agency function.

Talley TV live-streamed Saturday’s protest, with Jason Talley operating the camera.
It was difficult to determine the number of demonstrators via the live stream, although it was clearly a larger number than the previous week’s group of about a dozen dancers.

As the noon start-time approached, nearly 1,000 viewers were tuned into the live-stream. Upwards of 2,000 viewers watched at the peak.
Police stationed officers armed with automatic weapons around the monument prior to the dance.
Protesters representing a variety of leftist and libertarian groups made their way to the memorial to join the dance.
“We don’t care about political boundaries, we care about freedom,” one organizer said.
A man wearing a costume topped with an over sized Thomas Jefferson head spoke outside of the monument prior to the dance.
“We will take back our country one dance step at a time,” he said.
At noon, Adam Kokesh, spoke through a bullhorn on the monument steps.
“It is time for peaceful non-compliance. It is time to withdraw our support for the government,” he said.

Then Kokesh invoked Jefferson’s name.
“In his honor and in his spirit, we will continue to dance where we want.”
Several hundred people entered the memorial chamber around 12:05 p.m. and began moving around Jefferson’s statue, silently dancing. The quiet atmosphere was quickly shattered as dancers began shouting, “This is what freedom looks like. This is what liberty looks like.”
Police looked on for more than five minutes, allowing the demonstration to continue without interference. At that point Kokesh began directing dancer to make one more lap and leave.

One protestor approached a police officer who was looking on.
“You are forced to stand down because we are your bosses. You work for us.”
At 12:17 p.m., police, some wearing hard helmets, formed a line and began moving most of the protestors out of the inner chamber. But numerous people remained inside, continuing their silent dance. Others filtered back in and the memorial chamber quickly filled again.
Police announced the memorial was closed and put up fences, leaving just one route of exit. Officers would not answer questions as to why the fences were erected. At 12:30 p.m., police were aggressively pushing people out of the monument, but refrained from using excessive force.

Police moved Talley outside.
“You’re putting your hand on me,” he stated as an officer directed him out of the chamber. “Are you prepared to use violence on the people inside?” The officer did not respond.
At 12:38 p.m., the live-stream went off the air.
It remains unclear what the police intended to do with those remaining inside memorial.
The stream resumed from outside the Jefferson Memorial at 12:51 p.m. A large number of people remained assembled on the memorial steps. Police on horseback patrolled the area.

Michael Maharrey [send him email] is the Communications Director for the Tenth Amendment Center. He proudly resides in the original home of the Principles of '98 - Kentucky. See his blog archive here (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/author/michael-maharrey/) and his article archive here (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/author/michael-maharrey/). He also maintains the blog, Tenther Gleanings (http://taccommunications.blogspot.com/).

[PaulConventionWV]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.

Second that. They did say "this is what freedom looks like!" and with that, I have to agree.

[Dr.3D]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.

It is hard for people to break out of the government programming they have been getting all through "public" school. They tell everybody we live in a democracy. Even the stinking news media keeps chanting democracy. It's a wonder anybody knows we are not supposed to be living in a democracy.

[TruckinMike]

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[Fredom101]

You Tube or it didn't happen. :)

[mport1]

It is hard for people to break out of the government programming they have been getting all through "public" school. They tell everybody we live in a democracy. Even the stinking news media keeps chanting democracy. It's a wonder anybody knows we are not supposed to be living in a democracy.

It was also usually the code pink founder, Medea Benjamin, saying that. I believe she is a socialist and probably loves democracy. Glad people from all parts of the political spectrum attended though. From anarchists like Adam Kokesh to socialists like Medea Benjamin.

[libertybrewcity]

some bad quality videos i just found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxGqHIswvJA
police forming lines around 3:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_-SwNM712g&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNYcdbERTo&feature=autoplay&list=ULwc18EJa07Ic&index=6&playnext=1
Adam Kokesh speech around 6:00 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBG0_B4evhM&feature=autoplay&list=ULwc18EJa07Ic&index=7&playnext=2

[Theocrat]

After watching the live stream of the protest, I noticed a few things I'd like to address:


The cameraman, Jason Talley, was kind of annoying. He was talking down to the cops on site, in an almost taunting manner. Talley was asking them questions like, "How does it feel to see people out here expressing liberty while you stand and watch?" It was unnecessary and almost defeated the purpose of "peaceful" resistance.
The entire protest seemed more of a "worship service" towards Thomas Jefferson, and not necessarily an act of protest against the ordinance forbidding dancing. In my mind, it was as if they were out there walking and dancing around the statue in a form of praise and worship to Jefferson.
There were people who were shouting some things which were either inaccurate or inappropriate for the occasion. For instance, I heard people chanting, "This is what democracy looks like!" Others were proclaiming Ron Paul for President. Also, the constant shouting of "Freeeedooooom!" was getting a bit excessive, especially when it was supposed to be silent dancing as to not disturb the peace.
It seemed every time a cop would ask the protesters to move, some people would cry, "Are you going to use aggression towards me?" or "The cops want to use violence against peaceful citizens!" To me, it sounded cowardice. They know that they are in a zone where LEOs are ready to strike and desist any visitor who goes against the ordinance, so they should have just expected some resistance from the LEOs.

Nonetheless, they did have some good speeches and quotes before and after the protest, and on the whole, it did look like they were having fun. I don't know if I would have gone to the protest (because dancing at the Jefferson Memorial is not at the top of my list of activities to return our nation to its roots), but if I were there, I wouldn't have danced, anyway. But, for them, the act of civil disobedience was satisfying for the "cause of liberty," so I can't really blame them. It beats staying at home watching American Idol, that's for sure.

[pcosmar]

It beats staying at home watching American Idol, that's for sure.

+ Rep for that quote alone.

And I do agree with most of the rest. Not all are well versed fully in the issues of Liberty, But each step back in that direction is a step in the right direction.

[mport1]

After watching the live stream of the protest, I noticed a few things I'd like to address:


The cameraman, Jason Talley, was kind of annoying. He was talking down to the cops on site, in an almost taunting manner. Talley was asking them questions like, "How does it feel to see people out here expressing liberty while you stand and watch?" It was unnecessary and almost defeated the purpose of "peaceful" resistance.
The entire protest seemed more of a "worship service" towards Thomas Jefferson, and not necessarily an act of protest against the ordinance forbidding dancing. In my mind, it was as if they were out there walking and dancing around the statue in a form of praise and worship to Jefferson.
There were people who were shouting some things which were either inaccurate or inappropriate for the occasion. For instance, I heard people chanting, "This is what democracy looks like!" Others were proclaiming Ron Paul for President. Also, the constant shouting of "Freeeedooooom!" was getting a bit excessive, especially when it was supposed to be silent dancing as to not disturb the peace.
It seemed every time a cop would ask the protesters to move, some people would cry, "Are you going to use aggression towards me?" or "The cops want to use violence against peaceful citizens!" To me, it sounded cowardice. They know that they are in a zone where LEOs are ready to strike and desist any visitor who goes against the ordinance, so they should have just expected some resistance from the LEOs.

Nonetheless, they did have some good speeches and quotes before and after the protest, and on the whole, it did look like they were having fun. I don't know if I would have gone to the protest (because dancing at the Jefferson Memorial is not at the top of my list of activities to return our nation to its roots), but if I were there, I wouldn't have danced, anyway. But, for them, the act of civil disobedience was satisfying for the "cause of liberty," so I can't really blame them. It beats staying at home watching American Idol, that's for sure.

I think Jason Talley did a great job. It is important to ask these police officers those kinds of questions so they can think about their actions. We want them to realize that they should not be mindless thugs who aggress on peaceful people, but actual peace officers. This has worked well during Free State Project activism. Jason is a part of the FSP and is using the same tactics.

[jct74]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHD6Bm7cVUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5nJIx8CA8I

[w2992]

wish people would protest the war

[jct74]

some guy has a problem with Adam working for Russia Today


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D1Zl1OvZ0

[teacherone]

^^^^ dude had good questions. adam had poor answers.

[w2992]

wow the main stream media is afraid of RT. Way to go Adam!

[AuH20]

^^^^ dude had good questions. adam had poor answers.

Agreed.

[pcosmar]

^^^^ dude had good questions. adam had poor answers.

Dude was an ass, Adam had good answers.

The Cold War is over.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

^^^^ dude had good questions. adam had poor answers.

are you kidding me? no. that dude was smearing Adam.

[teacherone]

are you kidding me? no. that dude was smearing Adam.

really? no human rights violations in russia?

no agenda behind the russian government funding pro-liberty television in the US?

[jct74]

The police horse took a shit right in front of the steps LOL...

some people were giving the officers shit about the horseshit, LOL... said it was disrespectful to Thomas Jefferson, they need to pick it up.

@1:45


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GMp0aGOnmg

also here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UftZVS7Nk80

[Nate-ForLiberty]

really? no human rights violations in russia?

no agenda behind the russian government funding pro-liberty television in the US?

so you're against taking money out of the hands of the Russian government in order to promote Liberty here.

that makes sense.
/sarcasm

At this point, our government has already been subverted. If the Russians want to take over the U.S. they aren't going to use someone like Adam. His audience is minuscule compared to the MSM.

[AuH20]

really? no human rights violations in russia?

no agenda behind the russian government funding pro-liberty television in the US?

True. Russia has an even more suppressing corporate element than the U.S.

[pcosmar]

really? no human rights violations in russia?

no agenda behind the russian government funding pro-liberty television in the US?
What is the Agenda of the US Propaganda Agencies.
Selling the WARs
Selling out the American People.

What about covering Irag War Veterans against the War before Adam was hired by a competing news agency?
Seems they were smearing Adam and others without RT being involved.

Or is there some short term memory loss at work here?

[JK/SEA]

some guy has a problem with Adam working for Russia Today


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D1Zl1OvZ0

Better question. Who signs that interviewers paycheck? and who sent him?

[w2992]

its disgraceful anyone question the honor of a veteran like Adam the few the proud. may your chains rest lightly as we forget you.

[teacherone]

so you're against taking money out of the hands of the Russian government in order to promote Liberty here.

that makes sense.
/sarcasm

At this point, our government has already been subverted. If the Russians want to take over the U.S. they aren't going to use someone like Adam. His audience is minuscule compared to the MSM.

who said i was against it?

i said the dude had good questions.

is adam being hypocritical by profiting from one oppressive regime to criticize another?

is adam being naive to believe that the russian government has no agenda in funding his show?

[JK/SEA]

some people were giving the officers shit about the horseshit, LOL... said it was disrespectful to Thomas Jefferson, they need to pick it up.

@1:45


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GMp0aGOnmg



also here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UftZVS7Nk80



Jefferson had horses. I'm sure he would understand...geez..

[jct74]

the dude harassing Adam was Cliff Kincaid I'm pretty sure. He wrote a very critical article on Adam a few days ago
h ttp://www.aim.org/aim-column/who-is-behind-adam-kokesh-and-russia-today-television/

and this video on the same youtube channel is of a 12-year-old with the last name Kincaid yelling at Adam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc8b3WOQNY


EDIT: yeah, in the video Adam calls him "Cliff"

[teacherone]

so you're against taking money out of the hands of the Russian government in order to promote Liberty here.

that makes sense.
/sarcasm

At this point, our government has already been subverted. If the Russians want to take over the U.S. they aren't going to use someone like Adam. His audience is minuscule compared to the MSM.


What is the Agenda of the US Propaganda Agencies.
Selling the WARs
Selling out the American People.

What about covering Irag War Veterans against the War before Adam was hired by a competing news agency?
Seems they were smearing Adam and others without RT being involved.

Or is there some short term memory loss at work here?

who said i was against it?

i said the dude had good questions.

is adam being hypocritical by profiting from one oppressive regime to criticize another?

is adam being naive to believe that the russian government has no agenda in funding his show?

[pcosmar]

is adam being naive to believe that the russian government has no agenda in funding his show?

Who freakin' cares who funds it
Who funds American Propaganda?
Who funds the Pro-Zionist Propaganda?

Who sold the Americans the Idea that Iraq had WMDs and that it was somehow a threat?
Who is pushing the idea that Immigration is a problem but Welfare isn't?

Who is Selling the Patriot Act and Police State ?

I don't care why Russia if funding it,, I am just glad someone is.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

who said i was against it?

i said the dude had good questions.

is adam being hypocritical by profiting from one oppressive regime to criticize another?

is adam being naive to believe that the russian government has no agenda in funding his show?

1) Well then are you against it or not?

2) the dude did not have good questions. They were ridiculous questions designed to smear Adam.

3) hypocritical? only if you come at the situation from a holier than thou POV. Adam had the chance to get his own daily 30 minute show with complete creative and editorial control. Why on earth would this be a bad thing?

4) Adam may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but he's not stupid. If you were listening to his radio show a couple of months before it went off the air, you'd know that he had been thinking about various offers for a new show. In other words, he thought long and hard about taking this opportunity.

[JK/SEA]

1) Well then are you against it or not?

2) the dude did not have good questions. They were ridiculous questions designed to smear Adam.

3) hypocritical? only if you come at the situation from a holier than thou POV. Adam had the chance to get his own daily 30 minute show with complete creative and editorial control. Why on earth would this be a bad thing?

4) Adam may not be the sharpest tack in the box, but he's not stupid. If you were listening to his radio show a couple of months before it went off the air, you'd know that he had been thinking about various offers for a new show. In other words, he thought long and hard about taking this opportunity.

I agree. I didn't like what 'cliff' was implying. ''ooo, you work for RT, you must worship stalin then...''.....if it smells like shit, well, thats probably what it is.

Go Adam...keep up the good work buddy.

[teacherone]

I don't care why Russia if funding it,, I am just glad someone is.

here's the facts:

adam is a government employee of russia.

russia has an agenda in promoting "insurgent" groups in the US.

do the ends justify the means?

according to your statement, you believe they do.

[loveshiscountry]

Not enough thought was put into this. Get a bunch of 300+ pounders, put them in speedos and thongs, grease them up with coco butter. Watch the cops try and cuff them.
If a sunblock company wants to sponsor them, more power to them. Dunno if the name will be visible on the speedos and thongs though.

next time give me a ring, I'm an idea man.

[KingRobbStark]

some bad quality videos i just found...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxGqHIswvJA
police forming lines around 3:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_-SwNM712g&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNYcdbERTo&feature=autoplay&list=ULwc18EJa07Ic&index=6&playnext=1
Adam Kokesh speech around 6:00 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBG0_B4evhM&feature=autoplay&list=ULwc18EJa07Ic&index=7&playnext=2

Was I the only who got a hard-on from watching these videos? ...........freedom does that to me.

[pcosmar]

here's the facts:

adam is a government employee of russia.

russia has an agenda in promoting "insurgent" groups in the US.

do the ends justify the means?

according to your statement, you believe they do.

Woah,
hard to even address that,,,,

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/horseshit.jpg

That is like saying my wife is a Chinese Agent because she works for Walmart.
:rolleyes:

[AuH20]

Was I the only who got a hard-on from watching these videos? ...........freedom does that to me.

Meh. It's not like they ransacked an IRS building.

[teacherone]

Woah,
hard to even address that,,,,

That is like saying my wife is a Chinese Agent because she works for Walmart.
:rolleyes:


WIKI
RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a global multilingual television news network based in Russia and funded by the Russian government. RT was the first all-digital Russian TV network.[1] The service is aimed at the overseas market, similar to CCTV-4, DW-TV, France 24 and NHK World, and broadcast through satellite and cable operators throughout the world.

not really. walmart is a private corporation in the US.

RT is a station funded by the russian government.

[jct74]

here's more of Cliff and his 12-year-old kid confronting Adam and arguing with other people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKkdDcALVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DUqWEVP6d4

[pcosmar]

not really. walmart is a private corporation in the US.

RT is a station funded by the russian government.

And again..SO Fucking what.
I do not care who or why it is being funded and produced.

I care that it IS being produced.

A much better question is WHY is there not a US Media Producer making Adam a better offer?
Why is no media producer in the US producing shows like his?

[teacherone]

And again..SO Fucking what.
I do not care who or why it is being funded and produced.

I care that it IS being produced.

A much better question is WHY is there not a US Media Producer making Adam a better offer?
Why is no media producer in the US producing shows like his?

those are also good questions.

i guess the situation is the same as the US funding "freedom radio" in Iran.

it's hypocritical. it's agenda driven.

but hopefully something good comes out of it.

[teacherone]

here's more of Cliff and his 12-year-old kid confronting Adam and arguing with other people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKkdDcALVA

that kid will be a good little fascist some day.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

here's more of Cliff and his 12-year-old kid confronting Adam and arguing with other people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKkdDcALVA

teacherone, I can't believe you're defending this douchebag. Come on man.

[teacherone]

teacherone, I can't believe you're defending this douchebag. Come on man.

see comment directly above yours.

i'm not defending him, i'm defending his initial questions.

is it moral to accept blood money?

is it moral to assist an immoral party's agenda?

do the ends justify the means?

hopefully someday liberty television will profit on america's free market.

we'll wait and see.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

hopefully someday liberty television will profit on america's free market.

we'll wait and see.

today, we don't have that luxury.

[KingRobbStark]

Woah,
hard to even address that,,,,

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/horseshit.jpg

That is like saying my wife is a Chinese Agent because she works for Walmart.
:rolleyes:

The shit justifies the means.

[reduen]

see comment directly above yours.

i'm not defending him, i'm defending his initial questions.

is it moral to accept blood money?

is it moral to assist an immoral party's agenda?

do the ends justify the means?

hopefully someday liberty television will profit on america's free market.

we'll wait and see.

I am not arguing with you hear so please do not take it that way. What makes the money that Adam is being paid "by the russians" blood money? Would it be different if he were being paid by the Germans or the Japanese? Thx...

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I am not arguing with you hear so please do not take it that way. What makes the money that Adam is being paid "by the russians" blood money? Would it be different if he were being paid by the Germans or the Japanese? Thx...

or what if he had a job working for the MSM in America? Isn't that "Blood money" too?

[TortoiseDream]

my god... beyond words, really

[reduen]

or what if he had a job working for the MSM in America? Isn't that "Blood money" too?


I would have liked to hear Adam respond with the fact that "our government" takes money from China and gives money to Saudi Arabia etc... and FOX news is partly owned by a Saudi.... If he worked for FOX he would be supported by the Saudi's then....?

[teacherone]

maybe it was a bit over the top.

are cia agents agitating insurgent groups in "enemy" territory accepting blood money?

[reduen]

maybe it was a bit over the top.

are cia agents agitating insurgent groups in "enemy" territory accepting blood money?

Exactly, it could also be said that our government takes money from China to opress/supress it's own people... Is that not the greater wrong...?

[pcosmar]

is it moral to accept blood money?


I had to step away (lawn mowing and stuff), but can you define "Blood Money" ?
And then explain how it is different if a farmer sells wheat to Russia?

[Matthew Zak]

It kills me how willfully ignorant people are. They blame Kokesh for the monument being closed. The police closed it. They didn't have to. The law was terrible in the first place, which is the reason Kokesh was there. Yet people blabber on with a mouthful of food for their fat gullet about how Kokesh closed the place down. Sickening.

[jct74]

Here's a video montage from ReasonTV:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAc929KO6HA

and from Code Pink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSAs-3AJgI


Adam also gave a pretty good speech before the dancing commenced, brought up Jose Guerena and other cases of police brutality/loss of civil liberties.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_fwcu6dcI

[jct74]

here is a much longer montage video (17 minutes) from RTAmerica


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt6-wcSnCl4

[sparebulb]

Why all of the hate on Russia?

Even Vladimir Putin is critical of the evils of communism........and is one of the only public leaders to admit that the communist revolution was funded by the West.

[Chieppa1]

All governments are shitty and have an agenda. Sadly, all media corporations are shitty and have an agenda. Adam just picked one so he could spread Liberty. Only ones who won't see that don't understand basic human liberty anyway.

[tropicangela]

You Tube or it didn't happen. :)

This is one video from the recording of the live stream. They go inside the rotunda at 3m:15s. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15161104

[Carehn]

really? no human rights violations in russia?

no agenda behind the russian government funding pro-liberty television in the US?

If they do have an agenda its a bad one because pro liberty television can only make the US stronger. Russia may violate human rights but im not about to tune in for that. Adam is supplying the market with something it wants. I don't care about russia any more then you or that one guy trying to corner Adam. Russia will have to handle its own shit.

I for one thought Adam said just about everything i would have said.

[tropicangela]

Sheriff Mack mentioned Adam's TJ Memorial arrest at 2m:27s


http://youtu.be/nMEvZGhPJ9o

[heavenlyboy34]

not really. walmart is a private corporation in the US.

RT is a station funded by the russian government.

And PBS/NPR are funded by the US government. It doesn't make them "evil". They're really no more propagandists than anyone else in the MSM. Caveat emptor.

[heavenlyboy34]

All governments are shitty and have an agenda. Sadly, all media corporations are shitty and have an agenda. Adam just picked one so he could spread Liberty. Only ones who won't see that don't understand basic human liberty anyway.
+a whole bunch.

[teacherone]

And PBS/NPR are funded by the US government. It doesn't make them "evil". They're really no more propagandists than anyone else in the MSM. Caveat emptor.

good point.

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5nJIx8CA8I

Did Kokesh say in this... "We can standup to the government. We can take it down?" at 1:59?

I believe he did and apparently at this particular little dance party, someone was promoting Ron Paul for President.

I will spare you the details, but &^%^^&YU*&^^%%%

[LibertyEagle]

That is like saying my wife is a Chinese Agent because she works for Walmart.
:rolleyes:

No it's not. WalMart isn't owned by the Chinese government. RT is owned by the Russian government.

[LibertyEagle]

And PBS/NPR are funded by the US government. It doesn't make them "evil". They're really no more propagandists than anyone else in the MSM. Caveat emptor.

Try selling that to REPUBLICAN voters! Keep in mind that a good many of them are older Americans who damn well remember the Cold War.

[pcosmar]

No it's not. WalMart isn't owned by the Chinese government. RT is owned by the Russian government.
Ah, I keep hearing that they are destroying the American economy with Chinese imports. :rolleyes:

so how is it any different for farmers to accept Russian money for wheat?

or for a news agency here to report on news in Russia,,,or anywhere for that matter.

Have you looked into the Media bias in this country? Who owns and controls them?

I heard a lot of Bullshit about Al Jezerra too, but when following the Egyptian Revolution it was the only news close to factual that was coming out.

I don't care why RT cares to carry news from the Resistance, I am just glad they do.
Because the Biased Media here won't.

[LibertyEagle]

Ah, I keep hearing that they are destroying the American economy with Chinese imports. :rolleyes:

so how is it any different for farmers to accept Russian money for wheat?

or for a news agency here to report on news in Russia,,,or anywhere for that matter.

Have you looked into the Media bias in this country? Who owns and controls them?

I heard a lot of Bullshit about Al Jezerra too, but when following the Egyptian Revolution it was the only news close to factual that was coming out.

I don't care why RT cares to carry news from the Resistance, I am just glad they do.
Because the Biased Media here won't.

Goody, Pcosmar. Too bad all 12 of us here can't win the nomination for Ron Paul, eh?

/sarcasm

Note: By the way, the examples you gave are strawmen.

[pcosmar]

Note: By the way, the examples you gave are strawmen.
How so,
Adam is accused of taking "blood money" from the Russians.
How is it any different for a farmer or other seller of a product to accept money from Russia.

Adam was selling the same message before RT hired him, but it was not being heard or broadcast by any MSM.
Now he is given an opportunity to have this message heard.

And that same people that opposed the message in the past are attacking him today.
You don't find that a little odd?
or do you only support US/Corporate approved media views?

[Tal]

who said i was against it?

i said the dude had good questions.

is adam being hypocritical by profiting from one oppressive regime to criticize another?

No, Adam's cause is good and it doesnt matter who financially supports him or what their motives are as long as they help Adam get his message out, it reminds me of that incident of a KKK clan leader (or something) that donated to the Ron Paul campaign and the MSM wanted Ron Paul to give the money back and Ron Paul's campaign manager basicly said something to the equivolant of: ''We dont agree with this guy politically but we dont have a problem using his money to further a good cause''.


is adam being naive to believe that the russian government has no agenda in funding his show?

Adam strikes me as a smart guy, im sure he is already aware that the reason the russian government is supporting libertarianism in the US is because they consider it to be a good thing if libertarians got into political power and dismantled the american empire (which im sure the Kremlin hates).

I dont see him anywhere in that interview denying that the russian government might have certain motives for giving him money.

Overall I think he answered the questions ok, it wasnt totally smooth but he didnt lie and he defended himself reasonably well.

[Nastynate]

Sad part is, is that I trust Russian funded television to report on relevant more with more factual basis than any of the MSM in the US. I don't think anyone should care that Russia is funding a news organization in the US because it doesn't matter. If the guy that was asking Adam questions actually ever seen an episode of his show he would understand why he hasn't reported on Russian misdeeds. Also Adam has only been with RT for about 2 months which really haven't given him much time to report on any of that. Also I'm sure this journalist type guy hasn't reported on any American misdeeds around the world, why is that? Is the American government paying him off?

[heavenlyboy34]

Try selling that to REPUBLICAN voters! Keep in mind that a good many of them are older Americans who damn well remember the Cold War.

BTW, from everything I've, been able to find, RT is only partly funded by the government. I don't have the exact numbers to compare, but the level of government funding seems very similar to PBS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today
RT was launched as Russia Today by an autonomous non-profit organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization) in 2005. However, much of the funding to this organization, ANO TV-Novosti, is injected from the Russian Federal Budget (2.4 billion rubles in 2007).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today#cite_note-4) In 2007, RT’s monthly audience share exceeded that of CNN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN) and Bloomberg TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_TV) among NTV-PLUS satellite subscribers in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow). In August 2007, RT was the first channel in television history to report live from the North Pole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pole). In 2008, RT’s average monthly reach in Russia indicated a growth rate of 82% within just six months. Over the same period, the channel’s average daily reach grew by 46%. In the same year, the monthly audience among those who have access to or are aware of RT’s broadcasts on Time Warner Cable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Cable) in NYC exceeded that of BBC America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_America) by 11%. The daily audience of RT exceeds that of Deutsche Welle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Welle) tenfold, within the same network.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today#cite_note-RT2010-5)

[tropicangela]

New Event: Take Back Independence Day, Wear Black

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=206151566087404

[jmdrake]

From what I'm watching right now, I heard someone shout, "This is what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!" I have to vehemently disagree, there. Dancing in front of a statue has nothing to do with democracy, and even so, America is not a democracy.

Actually that's great! It means that Adam brought out more people than just Ron Paul purists. Now the next time if this is done people can hand out DVDs with the following two videos on them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTlmznJTXo

[jmdrake]

some guy has a problem with Adam working for Russia Today


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4D1Zl1OvZ0

Adam should have asked the Faux news prick how much he was being paid to be an agent of Australia. Do "Air America" broadcasts talk about human rights violations in America? In fact how much does Faux news talk about those human rights violations?

Anyhow, if we raise millions during the campaign for Ron Paul to run we could raise millions during off years for things like legal defense funds and to run our own cable networks. But alas the trust factor needed to do that is missing.

[jmdrake]

is it moral to assist an immoral party's agenda?


Don't you mean "Is it moral to allow an immoral party to assist in your agenda"? We all want to see the current PTB lose control and for America to once again be a government of, for and by the people. For an argument, let's say part of Russia's "agenda" is an audit of the federal reserve. If G. Edward Griffin got a spot on Russia today to promote auditing the fed, would that agenda become "immoral"?



do the ends justify the means?


I don't see Ruppert Murdock being any more or less moral than Vladimir Putin. Is the judge being on Fox business bad "means"? I'm not just saying that to be rhetorical. I sometimes wonder what Murdock's game is.



hopefully someday liberty television will profit on america's free market.

we'll wait and see.

It can happen, but it's unlikely. The corporate or the state media has the benefit of not having to care what people like you and I think. But see the Trevor Lyman thread to witness the wrath of the "liberty" grassroots if you do something even remotely controversial.

[jmdrake]

Try selling that to REPUBLICAN voters! Keep in mind that a good many of them are older Americans who damn well remember the Cold War.

Last I checked Adam wasn't running for anything. Oh yea. Someone in the crowd yelled Ron Paul for president. The sky is falling. :rolleyes: All of those cold warriors who were ready to embrace legalizing heroine, gays in the military and the idea that killing Osama Bin Laden in the way it was supposedly done might not have been the best thing? Cause that's what they're going to hear about Ron Paul from talk radio talking heads initially and 30 second ads if/when Ron Paul becomes a serious threat to the PTB.

I'm not an ancap. But I might be persuaded that they are right about the futility of politics if this type of insane cat herding continues. Ron Paul says controversial things and some of us react by trying to push away the very independents attracted by his controversial statements in the vain hope that "mainstream republicans" will overlook anything controversial Ron Paul says as long as all of his supporters seem just like people who support anybody but Ron Paul.


Goody, Pcosmar. Too bad all 12 of us here can't win the nomination for Ron Paul, eh?
/sarcasm


Yeah. And there were just 12 people with Adam and the Lincoln memorial. It just looked like more than that. :rolleyes:

[pcosmar]

New Event: Take Back Independence Day, Wear Black

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=206151566087404

Ohhh,
That could tempt me to go Black Regiment on it.

http://oldlutheran.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/blackclergytshirt_300.gif

[jct74]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpZwt8njWQ

[doodle]

powerful.

[jmdrake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpZwt8njWQ

pwned! +rep for posting this! And I don't have enough rep in the world to give Adam what he deserves. Adam Kokesh made the NWO stand down at least temporarily. Hopefully a broader activist movement will grow from this.

[mport1]

Although over 2,000 people were watching the live stream, only 2 people (including myself) donated $15 to the man who spent tons of time and money putting it together. He drove all the way from New Hampshire to cover this event.

I'm very disappointed by this. I think we need to support this kind of great activism if we want to do more of it. Jason Talley is a full time activist who does great work in helping spread the message of liberty and he deserves our support. You can donate to him at Talley.tv (http://talley.tv/). I just tossed another $10 his way for his efforts.