Bald Eagle symbol should go

[Man from La Mancha]

As much as I loved the majesty of the eagle and feel it is almost sacrilegious to mention this. But the eagle is a bird of prey and kills the weak to live. Just as USA has been doing in it's whole history but for the WW's. Almost every conflict USA had was against the weaker and generally the defenseless. From the Indians to the armed incursions to the CIA involved assignations and overthrow of legit governments of 3rd world proportions. Maybe that bird of prey subconsciously allows people to except this preying on defenseless gov. like Iran. We should change our image and send the world a big message, this goes along with what Ron wants to do with minding our own business.IMO:)

The American Bison is more indigenous to the USA and it is large, powerful and only kills when threaten, it doesn't kill to live. But it can be bad ass and able to leap barbed wire fences. Not bad for a one ton animal. There isn't an eagle that can touch it.


Bison are among the most dangerous animals encountered by visitors to the various U.S. and Canadian National Parks, especially Yellowstone National Park. Although they are not carnivorous, they will attack humans if provoked. They appear slow because of their lethargic movements, but they can easily outrun humans—they have been observed running as fast as 35 miles per hour (56 kilometres per hour). Between 1978 and 1992, over four times as many people in Yellowstone National Park were killed or injured by bison as by bears (12 by bears, 56 by bison). Bison also have the unexpected ability, given the animal's size and body structure, to leap over a standard barbed-wire fence

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/BuffaloGrazing.jpg/800px-BuffaloGrazing.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/American_bison_k5680-1.jpg/800px-American_bison_k5680-1.jpg

[Grandson of Liberty]

Dude, put down the bong and nobody gets hurt. :)

[ronpaulyourmom]

Damn I never realized that Bison were such badasses.

[rodent]

As much as I loved the majesty of the eagle and feel it is almost sacrilegious to mention this. But the eagle is a bird of prey and kills the weak to live. Just as USA has been doing in it's whole history but for the WW's. Almost every conflict USA had was against the weaker and generally the defenseless. From the Indians to the armed incursions to the CIA involved assignations and overthrow of legit governments of 3rd world proportions. Maybe that bird of prey subconsciously allows people to except this preying on defenseless gov. like Iran. We should change our image and send the world a big message, this goes along with what Ron wants to do with minding our own business.IMO:)

The American Bison is more indigenous to the USA and it is large, powerful and only kills when threaten, it doesn't kill to live. But it can be bad ass and able to leap barbed wire fences. Not bad for a one ton animal. There isn't an eagle that can touch it.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/BuffaloGrazing.jpg/800px-BuffaloGrazing.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/American_bison_k5680-1.jpg/800px-American_bison_k5680-1.jpg

Hehe, I loved this post.

Good photos, too!

[Veritas Vos Liberabit]

Saw this pic in my American history book.:
http://thecosmiccanvas.googlepages.com/BuffaloBanner.jpg

The Populist Party used the buffalo as their mascot in the 1890's. Their position sounds vagely familiar...http://www.populistamerica.com/

[CasualApathy]

Saw this pic in my American history book.:
http://thecosmiccanvas.googlepages.com/BuffaloBanner.jpg

The Populist Party used the buffalo as their mascot in the 1890's. Their position sounds vagely familiar...http://www.populistamerica.com/

History repeats itself. We must break the cycle.

[Omnis]

I like how the book implies failure.

[mkrfctr]

Right. Perhaps a mythical creature, like the Phoenix and such. I nominate:
http://www.filegunner.net/uploadedimages/587535cthulhu-6.jpg

[johngr]

The porcupine.

[BillyDkid]

The porcupine.I prefer to call them "porkypines". I think we should start a movement to rename porcupines "porkypines" - forget this politics crap.

[FrankRep]

The porcupine.

Interesting thought.

[Dan Klaus]

Dude, put down the bong and nobody gets hurt.

LMAO...you guys kill me sometimes...

[Wiserphil]

As much as I loved the majesty of the eagle and feel it is almost sacrilegious to mention this. But the eagle is a bird of prey and kills the weak to live. Just as USA has been doing in it's whole history but for the WW's. Almost every conflict USA had was against the weaker and generally the defenseless. From the Indians to the armed incursions to the CIA involved assignations and overthrow of legit governments of 3rd world proportions. Maybe that bird of prey subconsciously allows people to except this preying on defenseless gov. like Iran. We should change our image and send the world a big message, this goes along with what Ron wants to do with minding our own business.IMO:)

The American Bison is more indigenous to the USA and it is large, powerful and only kills when threaten, it doesn't kill to live. But it can be bad ass and able to leap barbed wire fences. Not bad for a one ton animal. There isn't an eagle that can touch it.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/BuffaloGrazing.jpg/800px-BuffaloGrazing.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/American_bison_k5680-1.jpg/800px-American_bison_k5680-1.jpg

don't forget the first occupation, the South.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

or maybe we should have gone with Ben Franklin's idea of the turkey?
they are smart, cautious, and have been known to be quite intimidating when threatened. sure why not? and what with the obesity rates rising, we would truyly be the nation of "Butterball" turkeys. :rolleyes:

[JPFromTally]

Ted's Montana Grill has the best Bison burgers ever. They are delicous with a side of their onion rings. Bison meat, cooked correctly, is 10 times better than even the best Angus.

[FrankRep]

Ted's Montana Grill has the best Bison burgers ever. They are delicous with a side of their onion rings. Bison meat, cooked correctly, is 10 times better than even the best Angus.

I love bison burgers and Ted's Montana Grill (http://www.tedsmontanagrill.com/) is awesome.

[Tsoman]

I also dislike the eagle as our national mascot.
not only does it kill the weak, but it also steals prey from other animals.


I would much prefer something more humble... maybe a chickadee, for example

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Black_capped_chickadee_cp.jpg

[Man from La Mancha]

Wow I didn't know that. I know about the Turkey but it just doesn't exude power like a Bison.


History repeats itself. We must break the cycle.

[Shiranu]

I also dislike the eagle as our national mascot.
not only does it kill the weak, but it also steals prey from other animals.


I would much prefer something more humble... maybe a chickadee, for example

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Black_capped_chickadee_cp.jpg

That thing... is pretty damn cute >_>

[JPFromTally]

Denny's has a great Chickadee breakfast. It's two grilled Chickadees with a side of bacon and hashrowns for $3.99. Can't beat it. Yumm!

[JMann]

A pro Iran thread. wonderful.

[K1RBY]

get fucking real. this is the dumbest idea ever...

[Andrew76]

Yeah, as a practical application of our time, obviously not the best idea. But, if you don't like the bald eagle as a symbol, who's to stop you from using whatever creature you choose as your own American mascot. Perhaps in the great free market of ideas, it will eventually catch on.

I'd like to add, that I'm as anti-government as the rest of you on here. But, crapping on the U.S. for what has happened in the past, ie: dealings with Native Americans, overly aggressive foreign policies and meddling, civil war, etc. etc. There simply is no country on earth that is free from this kind of stuff. We've all done something wrong, and if you go deep enough into the dark corners of mankind, you'll find something terrible wherever you look, no matter where on earth you are. Ok, maybe not the north or south poles. ;)
There is nothing unique about America in this respect, and there is nothing "intrinsically American," about the bad things the U.S. gov't has done in the past. The point is not to continue to point fingers, or to feel guilty about the country you live in - and I'm sorry but as Americans, we still have the best deal around whether people accept it or not - the point is to learn from our mistakes and move forward.

[werdd]

what about manbearpig?

[Man from La Mancha]

There is nothing unique about America in this respect, and there is nothing "intrinsically American," about the bad things the U.S. gov't has done in the past. The point is not to continue to point fingers, or to feel guilty about the country you live in - and I'm sorry but as Americans, we still have the best deal around whether people accept it or not - the point is to learn from our mistakes and move forward.
Agreed, I don't feel guilty about any of it since I didn't do it but it is important to learn our history so we don't repeat it and I thought a non predator would send a good message.

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[Man from La Mancha]

bump for ?

[quickmike]

Perhaps this would be a more fitting symbol for our current government. :D

http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~nhi708/classify/animalia/chordata/mammalia/chiroptera/vampire.jpg

[Lord Xar]

"The Gorgol" is a Pixiesh creature from olden times. It is deadly.
The elders use to call it "The Thing That Should Not Be". It is very quick on its feet, and as you can see, it has flight capability (that it uses to deadly effect). Its attack is ferocious, though it is slightly dull-witted.

I feel that this would be an awesome symbol of justice and power.

http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/PeterVelvetByardFlyHigh_939h.jpg

[MS0453]

The rattlesnake (http://fi.edu/qa99/musing3/index.html) is the ultimate symbol of the American people, but our government (probably all/any government that could arise in the future for that matter) isn't cool enough to us it. :cool:

[nullvalu]

I nominate Mothra!!

http://www.godzillaondvd.com/mediapageloads/mothra%20stills/mothra-9.jpg

[Abobo]

I nominate Gamera!
He's the friend of children.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/abobo/GameraG-787327.jpg

[Roxi]

We were just talking about this the other day, yes the eagle is a poor choice, ask an alaskan what they think about eagles, they are a menace up there...

I also love bison... we were around them growing up and while wild bison can be dangerous I have never seen an agressive bison in captivity. if they are raised from babies on a farm they are very docile, and a lot like dogs (they follow you around and lick you)

i also like manbearpig too :D

see heres my boyfriend petting one

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/849/picture259ld5.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3568/picture258gy1.jpg

[goldstandard]

I nominate the flying spaghetti monster!

http://pics.livejournal.com/_che_shire_cat_/pic/000db60w

[quickmike]

I nominate Gamera!
He's the friend of children.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/abobo/GameraG-787327.jpg

In that case im going with Johnny Sokko's Giant Robot.

http://www.idmonsters.com/archives/images/GiantRobot.jpg

[austin356]

Bison = Cool and true American.


This thread = Lame; Since the amount of time we have spent on it could have been used as "pauliteering" in some form or fashion.

[Broadlighter]

2,000 or more of them showed up at Ron Paul's Rally at Ann Arbor.

They are cagey, pretty much keep to themselves unless threatened. They also take on larger animals and usually win.

Wolverine fighting off Male Gray Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfq_-oVkQcQ

Wolverine fighting off two wolves and steals their prey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VoKioxH-5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfq_-oVkQcQ)

I think the bald eagle was suggested by Native Americans. It's beautiful, powerful and has command of the skies. It's aggressive alright, but if I had to choose another animal it would be the Wolverine. It doesn't rule the forest, but there's hell to pay for messing with it.

The Wolverine was also the mascot for the patriots in the movie, "Red Dawn." So there's the patriotic tie in.

[foofighter20x]

I summon Pikachu!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/64/Pikachu_ThnksgvDayParade.jpg

[/joke] :p :D

[Adamsa]

The duck. The duck is freakin' awesome.

[JMann]

How about one of those Olympic mascots. That would show we really care about others.

[austin356]

How about this for the new American symbol:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2007/10/jasontaylorstatue.jpg

Saw it on TV yesterday (the game in London, b/t NYG and MD)

[PennCustom4RP]

In that case im going with Johnny Sokko's Giant Robot.

http://www.idmonsters.com/archives/images/GiantRobot.jpg

Mike, I had completely forgotten about Johnny Sakko...good entertainment back in the day...showing your age:D

I will go with Tobar the 8th Man

[quickmike]

This will be our national symbol if we dont get Ron in the white house.


http://www.youstinklikepoop.com/images/poop.gif

[tmg19103]

Ben Franklin on the Bald Eagle:

"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country . . .

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America . . . He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

[mkrfctr]

I summon Pikachu!
[/joke] :p :D

I summon Pikachu, and its open welcoming to children vagina!

http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/05e2120dc4.jpg

[TruePatriot44]

I nominate the opossum:

http://niwra.org/North%20%20American%20Opossum.jpg

[unklejman]

I summon Pikachu, and its open welcoming to children vagina!

http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/05e2120dc4.jpg

:eek:

[Phenom24]

best.thread.evar!!!!!

LOL I got to teach my three year old about Godzilla, Gamera and Mothra in ONE sitting. Hilarious!!!!!

Someone mentioned the duck from Strongbad... LOL

I'm thinking about one of the Herculoids http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/busted/images/051129/herculoids.jpg or maybe Ookla http://www.toymania.com/columns/spotlight/thundarrbig3.shtml for the national symbol...

:)

Wait!! How about Chaka http://homepage.mac.com/nigelstewart/iblog/B1761793398/C600263800/E1475991199/Media/chaka.jpg from Land of the Lost???

LOLOL

[quickmike]

best.thread.evar!!!!!

LOL I got to teach my three year old about Godzilla, Gamera and Mothra in ONE sitting. Hilarious!!!!!

Someone mentioned the duck from Strongbad... LOL

I'm thinking about one of the Herculoids http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/busted/images/051129/herculoids.jpg or maybe Ookla http://www.toymania.com/columns/spotlight/thundarrbig3.shtml for the national symbol...

:)

Wait!! How about Chaka http://homepage.mac.com/nigelstewart/iblog/B1761793398/C600263800/E1475991199/Media/chaka.jpg from Land of the Lost???

LOLOL



Chaka was a psycho!!! I was always scared of him when I was a kid, even though he was friendly.

http://homepage.mac.com/nigelstewart/iblog/B1761793398/C600263800/E1475991199/Media/chaka.jpg

[nullvalu]

Chaka was a psycho!!! I was always scared of him when I was a kid, even though he was friendly.

OMFG I hated that show (tho i regligiously watched reruns on saturday mornings as a child anyways) but it scared the crap out of me..

May I suggest Panthro? This is one serious butt kickin' force to be reckoned with and could drive that Thundertank like nobody's business.

http://powerforce.org.uk/Panthro1.jpg

[Roxi]

How about this for the new American symbol:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2007/10/jasontaylorstatue.jpg

Saw it on TV yesterday (the game in London, b/t NYG and MD)



NO dude, those moving eyes are creeeeepy

[conner_condor]

get fucking real. this is the dumbest idea ever...

Agreed. Hey lets change the fucking constitution also.

[nbhadja]

Whooping every power's behind in WW1, WW2 wasn't enough for you?? How about spain in the naval war?? Britain in 76? 1812?
The eagle is so much better than the fat Bison. IT EATS GRASS!!!
The eagle shows our status as the most powerful country in the world. A bison is just fat.

[Buzz]

I nominate the chimpanzee. Hell, the country's being led by one.

[conner_condor]

Chaka was a psycho!!! I was always scared of him when I was a kid, even though he was friendly.

http://homepage.mac.com/nigelstewart/iblog/B1761793398/C600263800/E1475991199/Media/chaka.jpg

Thats fred thopmpsons school pic..

[Man from La Mancha]

Whooping every power's behind in WW1, WW2 wasn't enough for you?? How about spain in the naval war?? Britain in 76? 1812?
The eagle is so much better than the fat Bison. IT EATS GRASS!!!
The eagle shows our status as the most powerful country in the world. A bison is just fat.The eagle almost went extinct just like the Bison, it doesn't have that much power to stop it's own destruction. What would you rather have attack you without a weapon a eagle or a bison on the open range? Which one would be easier to kill with your bare hands? Which one preys on the weak and defenseless?..The Bison has 1000x the strength of a eagle.

As far as the wars goes to show you, when legitimately attacked we're so strong, we just prove how the US had the power to prey on the weak. As Ron says he wants the power to resist doing such things.
.

[unklejman]

OMFG I hated that show (tho i regligiously watched reruns on saturday mornings as a child anyways) but it scared the crap out of me..

May I suggest Panthro? This is one serious butt kickin' force to be reckoned with and could drive that Thundertank like nobody's business.

http://powerforce.org.uk/Panthro1.jpg

And he's sporting the combo nunchuk/back scratchers. You have to be secure in your man/catliness.

[unklejman]

A bison is just fat.

Eeerrrrrt. Wrong. Bison meat is one of the leanest meats you can eat. Which leads to another trait of what American should be. Let's cut the fat, all that unnecessary spending.

[richard1984]

Dude, put down the bong and nobody gets hurt. :)

Nah! Pass it over here, bro!!! :D:D


(Perfect first comment. :cool:)

[american.swan]

That thing... is pretty damn cute >_>

Yes, it is, but a nuclear sub supporting aircraft carriers and F-117 night hawks isn't cute. It's dangerous. I like the bison idea.