Were you a moderate Democrat before Ron Paul?

[GunnyFreedom]

Help me dig into the mind of a moderate Democrat (or a moderate Republican) with the following argument for nullification:

Starting at post #16:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295779-10th-Amendment-Firearms-Freedom-Act

[ProIndividual]

Yes, I was statist liberal before I saw Freedom to Fascism (movie) in the 1990s...then Ron ran in 2007 (2008 cycle), and I was at that point a fan already. He didn't wake me up, per se, but he contributed. I spent years reading on economics since that movie, and had come to a very anarchistic position by the time Ron ran. It was like someone that FINALLY agreed with me (or I agreed ith them, w/e) was finally running.

So yes, I was libtard before I was a Paulite...lol.

Edit:

I meant the show Mad as Hell by Russo, not Freedom to Fascism...that wasn't out in the 90s.

[jmhudak17]

I was probably a mix between a neo-Con and a far right Republican.

[Meatwasp]

No I voted for Buckanan, also Reagan. Never was a democrat.

[AGRP]

As someone who lives in a statist community:

Go for the 80s-90s slogan/angle of "think globally, act locally." Do some research on that way of thinking and transfer it to your argument. The 10th Amendment allows for "acting locally."

They cannot "think globally, act locally" without the 10th Amendment.

[goRPaul]

I was a far left democrat before learning about liberty. I thought wealth redistribution was noble, something Robin Hood would do. LOL

[GunnyFreedom]

I was a far left democrat before learning about liberty. I thought wealth redistribution was noble, something Robin Hood would do. LOL

Yeah man, would I like to talk to you! I've got some serious Constitutionalist and marketplace reform bills, and I'm going to get hard objections from the far left. I'm going to need to blunt those objections by Wednesday. Not sell them on a yes vote, just blunt their objections hard enough that the rest of the D caucus can participate in the sausage making and eventually vote yes on the floor.

[acptulsa]

Quote Jefferson a lot. They can deny neither him nor his wisdom.

[GunnyFreedom]

Quote Jefferson a lot. They can deny neither him nor his wisdom.

1) demonstrate Jeffersonian support and intent for nullification principles

2) demonstrate a difference in modern government from Jefferson's day that would lend itself to using Jeffersonian nullification as a matter of routine

3) pull from Jeffersonian analyses of Constitutional construction, natural rights, and good government to support #1 and #2

4) interlace Jeffersonian arc with full argument

[acptulsa]

Sounds right to me. Got a source? I do, but need more specificity on the topic to help.

[GunnyFreedom]

Sounds right to me. Got a source? I do, but need more specificity on the topic to help.

I've got until Wednesday to finish polishing the argument referenced at the link in the OP. I'm going to wedge in the Jeffersonian arc to blunt the objections of the libdems, and then I also need to find something to spice it just keep establishment moderate republicans interested long enough to be willing to vote for it. I kinda expect it all to come together in about 24 hours from now.

I figure on Googling Jefferson quotes sometime tomorrow, assembling a narrative from them, and then interleaving them into the argument from the OP thread link where appropriate.

and come up with enough flavor to salt the palates of moderate establishment neoconish republicans,,,some angle...

[acptulsa]

Sounds like a recipe for goulash. Ain't politics wonderful?

[Wolverine302]

i was a die hard UAW pro democrat raised kid, ron paul opened my eyes.

[RabbitMan]

I was a pretty apathetic liberal before I found out about Dr. Paul in March '07 from a folk artist I had once friended on Myspace. I really didn't care what my government did, as long as it went all out and did it. If we were going to be a Fascist War mongering country, if we were going to be a socialist, heavily taxed Sweden, well, whatever, but lets do it right!

As a moderate Dem what pissed me off so much about politics was that people in the Federal Government seemed to always do things half-assed like. They'd want to get the country off oil, but not really, and so we got ethanol subsidies. They'd wanted to catch Osama Bin Laden, but not really, so we went into Iraq. They'd want to boost the economy to create jobs, but not really, so we gave tax cuts to billionaires and giant corporations. What caught me on to Ron's message was that his philosophy ENABLES people who feel strongly about something to get things done in their local governments. Whether it be Romneycare, being allowed to conceal-and-carry everywhere, give tax-payer funded college tuition, whatever! It is exciting to feel like you can make a difference and not be restrained by an uber-conservative/liberal Federal Government, and once you can push that 10th amendment, decentralized concept into Democratic minds, they will both start taking you more seriously and be more open to your ideas.

[hugolp]

I was a social-democrat and I can tell you its all about the buzz words. Use the right buzz words and left leaning people will support you.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Yeah man, would I like to talk to you! I've got some serious Constitutionalist and marketplace reform bills, and I'm going to get hard objections from the far left.

In regards to Nullification, bring up that it was listed among the grievances BY the South because Northern states kept nullifying The Fugitive Slave Act.

[oyarde]

No , I have always been a huge fiscal conservative , grew up in a rural , farm household like that .