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AGRP
05-28-2011, 11:16 AM
Patriot Act Fits Tea Party Standards
By REP. STEVE KING & NATHAN A. SALES | 5/26/11 9:08 AM EDT Updated: 5/26/11 10:19 AM EDT

Since bursting onto the political scene in 2009, the tea party movement has sparked a renewed appreciation for the Constitution’s restraints on the powers of the federal government. Washington’s authority is not boundless. Rather, our Constitution establishes a strong, but limited, national government.

As Congress takes up legislation to reauthorize three expiring parts of the Patriot Act, it should take seriously the tea party’s commitment to constitutional fidelity.

Judged by that standard, Patriot passes with flying colors. It just lets counterterrorism agents use some of the same tools that regular cops have used for decades. These tools have exacting safeguards to protect civil liberties, and federal courts have consistently upheld their constitutionality.

Take, for example, “roving wiretaps.”

Mobsters, terrorists and other sophisticated criminals sometimes try to thwart surveillance by repeatedly switching cell phones. The result is a drawn-out game of cat and mouse. Investigators get a court order to tap a suspect’s phone, only to find out he’s already switched to a new one. So it’s back to the judge for a fresh warrant.

Congress solved this problem for criminal cases decades ago. A 1986 law allows judges to issue wiretap orders that apply to specific people, instead of particular devices. That means agents can track a criminal — regardless of what phone he’s using — without heading back to court.

The act allows the same thing in terrorism cases. The basic idea is to level the playing field. If a roving wiretap is good enough for Tony Soprano, it’s good enough for Mohamed Atta.

Patriot contains robust protections for civil liberties. The court order is necessary: FBI agents can’t start eavesdropping on their own, they need a judge’s permission. They also have to prove the suspect is an “agent of a foreign power” – a spy or terrorist. And they must notify the judge every time they go up on a new phone.

Federal courts unanimously agree that roving wiretaps are constitutional. One case emphasized that there is “virtually no possibility of abuse or mistake.” Another concluded that “[r]oving wiretaps are an appropriate tool to investigate individuals … who use cloned cellular phone numbers and change numbers frequently to avoid detection.” The Patriot Act stands on a solid constitutional foundation.

Next, consider the act’s “business records” provision.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55752.html

lynnf
05-28-2011, 01:33 PM
this is hogwash. there is the REAL Tea Party and there is the fake, co-opted, hijacked Tea Party which is where these dupes are coming from. "Patriot" Act could never be accepted by the REAL Tea Party.

FreedomProsperityPeace
05-28-2011, 03:05 PM
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) is vice chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law of the House Judiciary Committee. Nathan A. Sales helped write the Patriot Act while serving at the Justice Department. He is now a law professor at George Mason University. Who the heck are these people? :mad: They have no idea about Tea Party standards. They need to speak to TP supported candidates like Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and even Alan West who voted against extending the Patriot Act.

Telkandore
05-28-2011, 03:39 PM
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Patriot contains robust protections for civil liberties. The court order is necessary: FBI agents can’t start eavesdropping on their own, they need a judge’s permission. They also have to prove the suspect is an “agent of a foreign power” – a spy or terrorist.



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The 9/11 Commission later speculated that, if agents had investigated Moussaoui more fully, they might have unraveled the entire Sept. 11 plot.

The Patriot Act fixes this problem. It allows investigators to apply for a court order to monitor a suspected terrorist — even if they haven’t yet found enough evidence to prove he’s a member of a foreign terrorist organization.




What fucking moon of Jupiter are these people from?

Lucille
05-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Pete King, police state fascist, can GFH.

Brett85
05-28-2011, 04:47 PM
Pete King, police state fascist, can GFH.

Pete King?

malkusm
05-28-2011, 05:03 PM
Pete King, police state fascist, can GFH.


Pete King?

Yeah, this is the third time I have seen people confuse the two....

Steve King (R-IA) is not the same as Pete King (R-NY). Although they are both pretty horrible neocons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King

AGRP
05-28-2011, 05:22 PM
Since bursting onto the political scene in 2009,the tea party movement has sparked a renewed appreciation for the Constitution’s restraints on the powers of the federal government.

Did anyone catch this?

awake
05-28-2011, 05:28 PM
This is an old tactic made famous by communists; infiltrate an opposition group, divide it upon on itself (taking key influential positions) and make the whole group appear to be for what they are really against. Or, at the very least non effective. The true Tea Party people are left scratching their heads, like is currently happening.

Be it an organization, association, department or group of any kind, it works the same: A few manipulating the many.

Power from above dissolving and directing the power from below. This is how they try to mute Rand and Ron.

This why we (the irate few) are strong, we have nothing that they can apply this tactic to. We would need to be herded in to an official organization first, with heads and leaders, this is a prerequisite of co-opting something. This why many of the above defined groups were formed to begin with - to control and dissolve opposition to government interventionism.