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Sentient Void
05-26-2011, 10:29 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/16107.html


Now I knew that Ron had a huge and diverse coalition, but I didn’t realize quite how diverse until Jeiel Schalkwijk of the Christian Socialist Party in the Netherlands sent me his article.

The Socialist Case for Ron Paul
by Jeiel Schalkwijk

Although I am a Ron Paul supporter, I am also a member of a Christian Socialist party in the Netherlands. In many cases I do not agree with Paul’s political philosophy.

But I would still urge all socialists, communists and people of all political persuasions to support Ron Paul when he runs for President.

Unless your political philosophy requires the invading of other nations and is generally totalitarian, you will win, and not only regarding the war with Iraq. Let me explain.

Ron Paul is running for a federal position and is committed to a small federal government. A small federal government will consume fewer taxes and impose fewer burdens on the individual states.

This will leave the people of the states more free to implement the type of government that they want.

I will give three examples, socialized healthcare, moral laws and gun control. Ron Paul is not an advocate of these things, but his presidency will help the groups that advocate these things.

Since the federal government will take in less tax, states can afford to raise taxes as high as they see fit and use it to implement socialized healthcare. Now you do not need to convince the entire United States that socialized healthcare is better, but you only need to convince the people of your state, a much simpler task.

Your state can have its own healthcare plan and you could withdraw from Medicare and Medicaid.

Moral laws, such as abortion and gay marriage, are very simple. They are not mentioned in the constitution, so states will be free to do whatever they want.

Gun control is harder, since our ancestors amended the constitution to guarantee it. And the US Constitution is binding for all States. However, secession is possible and Ron Paul will not invade your state if you choose to secede. As a matter of fact, states are at all times free to leave the union and negotiate a new (different) treaty with the union.

Your state could secede and negotiate a new treaty with the union that only includes the free movement of people and goods, for instance.

You only lose if you are totalitarian, which means you want to impose your laws on all states even if their citizens do not want your laws. You also lose if you want to use federal resources, such as the army, without explicit permission from a majority of the states in the federation (which they can grant through congress).

heavenlyboy34
05-26-2011, 10:42 PM
I don't agree with part of the premise (that States trump individual rights), but it's a list that will appeal to the sensible left liberals. (not so much to the stupid left)

Sentient Void
05-26-2011, 10:45 PM
I don't agree with part of the premise (that States trump individual rights), but it's a list that will appeal to the sensible left liberals. (not so much to the stupid left)

Agreed.

I don't agree with it neither (being a market anarchist), but if it will get some support from the socialists - great, whatever.

Anti Federalist
05-26-2011, 10:54 PM
Free state project in reverse.

Good riddance I say.


Since the federal government will take in less tax, states can afford to raise taxes as high as they see fit and use it to implement socialized healthcare. Now you do not need to convince the entire United States that socialized healthcare is better, but you only need to convince the people of your state, a much simpler task.

Sentient Void
05-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Free state project in reverse.

Good riddance I say.

Haha, indeed!

archangel689
05-26-2011, 11:02 PM
YES!

FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT!! YES, you can do whatever your socialist friends want to do and form your own little commune amongst yourselves... but leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Yes. You may do this... go right ahead and I support you in your endeavor, however, I suspect that your commune will collapse because socialism will only work if people are not given a choice in being included in the matter--you still have goods outside the commune people will desire. The Socialists will leave the commune quite quickly.

Yes I will defend your right to have a socialist commune, so long as all participation in said commune is Voluntary.

NewRightLibertarian
05-26-2011, 11:09 PM
States could implement much more efficient socialism than the feds under the current system. They want to be able to force everyone into their system though

freshjiva
05-26-2011, 11:52 PM
This article is exactly why Ron Paul would beat Obama in a general election. All you need is 2-3% of the Left to support you, and you're game.
I'd say intellectually honest liberals (Dylan Ratigan types) and far Leftists (Noam Chomsky types) comprise of roughly 2-3% of the Democratic Party, and they damn sure ain't gonna vote for Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Pawlenty, or Cain.

If the GOP is serious about taking Obama down, RP is their man.

NewRightLibertarian
05-27-2011, 12:02 AM
This article is exactly why Ron Paul would beat Obama in a general election. All you need is 2-3% of the Left to support you, and you're game.
I'd say intellectually honest liberals (Dylan Ratigan types) and far Leftists (Noam Chomsky types) comprise of roughly 2-3% of the Democratic Party, and they damn sure ain't gonna vote for Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Pawlenty, or Cain.

If the GOP is serious about taking Obama down, RP is their man.

Theyd rather obama be the president than ron paul. Chomsky would never support Ron Paul in a million years and would gleefully champion Obama instead of him. Ratigan's masters would probably force him to badmouth paul as well.

FrankRep
05-27-2011, 12:04 AM
I hope people here aren't cheering for Socialism.

NewRightLibertarian
05-27-2011, 12:09 AM
I hope people here aren't cheering for Socialism.

Nobody here likes socialism. Socialism at the state level though is constitutional. They'd never win in a fair fight so they need federal goons to mandate their awful policies.

Arklatex
05-27-2011, 12:12 AM
I want to live in a community where I grow what I can, and my neighbors grow what they like or perform what function they wish. This is all voluntary and everything is provided by the community. There is no state yet everything is in harmony. Some call this anarchy and others socialism. :D

Semantics get us in so much trouble~