I love Paul, BUT

[VoteRonPaul2008]

I'm a little bit lost... and lately I've been having second thoughts

I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating....... I don't fully understand his plan or who it will help more?

And then there's a the dep of education, I'm completely lost with it.. and I'm in college right now with a student loan will Paul take it away if he becomes president..

and my brother will enter college in two years through a loan...

Everything else I agree with Paul on.. but these things are so confusing.. I don't want to continue to live in a society where the rich keep benefiting.. I don't think he intends on doing that either.. I'm just so lost

can anyone elaborate?:confused:

[johnrocks]

I'm a little bit lost... and lately I've been having second thoughts

I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating....... I don't fully understand his plan or who it will help more?

And then there's a the dep of education, I'm completely lost with it.. and I'm in college right now with a student loan will Paul take it away if he becomes president..

and my brother will enter college in two years through a loan...

Everything else I agree with Paul on.. but these things are so confusing.. I don't want to continue to live in a society where the rich keep benefiting.. I don't think he intends on doing that either.. I'm just so lost

can anyone elaborate?:confused:

Everyone seems to think that the good doctor is going to be able to just swoop in and do away with all of these programs regardless of weather they support him or not. He is going to be able to do one thing pretty much on his own and that is as Commander in Chief alter our foreign policy and get us out of the War in Iraq. At best he is going to be a great counter balance to the liberal Congress. None of these programs that I want to see end is going away any time soon.:mad:

[Ron Paul Fan]

Have you been paying attention to the campaign at all? How many times have you heard him say that he won't throw anyone out in the streets? Also, is the federal government the only ones who can give out loans? No! Did you just say that you like the income tax? What the hell is wrong with you? Getting rid of the income tax will help everybody! It will expose the federal reserve for the fraud that it is! To get rid of anything he first has to change our idea about foreign policy! Stop fretting and start supporting Ron Paul!

[VoteRonPaul2008]

Have you been paying attention to the campaign at all? How many times have you heard him say that he won't throw anyone out in the streets? Also, is the federal government the only ones who can give out loans? No! Did you just say that you like the income tax? What the hell is wrong with you? Getting rid of the income tax will help everybody! It will expose the federal reserve for the fraud that it is! To get rid of anything he first has to change our idea about foreign policy! Stop fretting and start supporting Ron Paul!

what is with the rude comments.. I've been working my a** of supporting this guy.. all I ask for is an explanation.. and this is the bull responses I get... no wonder people complain about Paul supporters...

It was a simple question, one which no one has addressed besides giving me rude responses..,

I don't undersand these ideas and the reasoning behind keeping the Bush taxcuts for the wealthy..


If you can't explain it then don't answer the question
:mad:

[jblosser]

"I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich"

Punish them for what? Did they do something wrong? If they did something wrong, and we punish them for it, and other people notice and decide to not become rich because they will be punshed, who will pay for things then?

Ron Paul is part of the classical Austrian school of economics that maintains that heavy taxation destroys the economy and makes everyone worse off. Rich, poor, man, woman, child, cat, and dog. Our founders believed the same thing, which is why the Constitution didn't even allow such a thing until it was amended.

Please read _The Law_ by Bastiat, it's the best resource you can read to understand the risk and consequences of putting all this power and money in the hands of government. Ron recommends it to people as well. It's a classic from the 1800s, you can find it online here: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

[Dojo]

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[0zzy]

what is with the rude comments.. I've been working my a** of supporting this guy.. all I ask for is an explanation.. and this is the bull responses I get... no wonder people complain about Paul supporters...

It was a simple question, one which no one has addressed besides giving me rude responses..,

I don't undersand these ideas and the reasoning behind keeping the Bush taxcuts for the wealthy..


If you can't explain it then don't answer the question
:mad:

We shouldn't punish any class, wealthy, poor, nor middle class. He supports the taxcuts because he likes tax cuts in general. He wants to get rid of the income tax to help everyone, he wants to stop the inflation of our currency which would help everyone, and he wants to get rid of these departments to help everyone (I'm in HS, Dep of Ed is horrid to me).

For college students he introduced a bill that would get rid of the income tax for students and their parents so they can go through college. We shouldn't be in the business of transferring wealth, every since we have the cost of education goes up. It doesn't make much sense.

I, for one, will be going to community college for 2 years and a university for 2+ more. I'm not sure if I would take loans or not, but I have to save money by going to community first. That's what I'm doing to save money for college :X.

[VoteRonPaul2008]

"I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich"

Punish them for what? Did they do something wrong? If they did something wrong, and we punish them for it, and other people notice and decide to not become rich because they will be punshed, who will pay for things then?

Ron Paul is part of the classical Austrian school of economics that maintains that heavy taxation destroys the economy and makes everyone worse off. Rich, poor, man, woman, child, cat, and dog. Our founders believed the same thing, which is why the Constitution didn't even allow such a thing until it was amended.

Please read _The Law_ by Bastiat, it's the best resource you can read to understand the risk and consequences of putting all this power and money in the hands of government. Ron recommends it to people as well. It's a classic from the 1800s, you can find it online here: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html


I didn't mean it to come across that way I guess my wording was wrong.. but shouldn't the rich be paying higher taxes... I don't understand why Paul wants to keep the bush tax cuts?

[DrNoZone]

I didn't mean it to come across that way I guess my wording was wrong.. but shouldn't the rich be paying higher taxes... I don't understand why Paul wants to keep the bush tax cuts?

Paul wants to cut ALL income taxes, for ALL income brackets...to zero. I'm not sure why that seems unfair to anyone?

[jblosser]

I didn't mean it to come across that way I guess my wording was wrong.. but shouldn't the rich be paying higher taxes... I don't understand why Paul wants to keep the bush tax cuts?

By "higher" I assume you mean "higher percentage" (ie progressive) and no, they shouldn't. They didn't do anything wrong, and punishing them (whether that's the word you meant or not, it's accurate) doesn't encourage the kind of behavior we need from the rich to make our economic system grow and benefit everyone.

The other half of this fallacy is the notion anyone has to pay this kind of tax so that government can provide these services. Government should not provide these services, because they don't provide them very well. They waste a lot, fail to address real needs, and get full of corruption along the way. The private sector does much better in providing for the needs of society but can't do so when held back by heavy taxation and regulation.

Go read _The Law_. It isn't a long read; you can get through most of it in an afternoon, and it will teach you a ton more than anything you'll read on these forums.

[torchbearer]

I didn't mean it to come across that way I guess my wording was wrong.. but shouldn't the rich be paying higher taxes... I don't understand why Paul wants to keep the bush tax cuts?

Where is the incentive to do better if you are punished more through taxes for being successful.
A progressive tax system is the root of socialism, its income redistribution.

[pcosmar]

I am not really sure what you are asking, but I'll give it a shot.

like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating.......
Why would you want to punish the rich? Do you believe that hard work and service should not be rewarded? Do you believe that success should be punished?
Ron Paul wants everybody to keep their own money. No Income Tax.
Hillery wants to rob the wealthy and successful, and give it to those that have not earned it.

I don't want to continue to live in a society where the rich keep benefiting.. I
Would you prefer communism? Do you want everybody to be poor?
I do not understand. Do you want to work for nothing? Do you want a free ride? Who will pay you for your work or services?
In a free market society, you would have the opportunity to earn as much or as little as your ambition would allow, with little Government interference.
With no Dept of Education schools would be managed locally rather than centrally.
Private loans would still be available.
People would not be robbed to pay the way of those that don't want to work.

[johngr]

The income tax was pushed by the Rockefellers and the banksters. Like communism, its ostensible purpose and its real purpose are two different things. The mega rich have labyrinthine trusts and tax shelters and loopholes and end up paying very little. The middle class (what's left of it) ends up paying the majority and acutally paying for their own enslavement and for the elites' protection from them. The people who extort the money give some of it back (in this way they control charity instead of private the way it was -- another gov't agent usurping of power).

Nothing would be better for the poor and middle class than to do away with the income tax and the inflatable currency.

[Ron Paul Fan]

what is with the rude comments.. I've been working my a** of supporting this guy.. all I ask for is an explanation.. and this is the bull responses I get... no wonder people complain about Paul supporters...

It was a simple question, one which no one has addressed besides giving me rude responses..,

I don't undersand these ideas and the reasoning behind keeping the Bush taxcuts for the wealthy..


If you can't explain it then don't answer the question
:mad:

What are you talking about? I did answer your question! Getting rid of the income tax would help everybody! You, me, Bill Gates, and the single mother of 3 struggling to get by. Why should Bill Gates have to pay more taxes for being successful? Do you want him to have be forced to pay for your education just because he's smarter and richer than you?

As far as your student loan question goes, I also answered it. There will be other places to get loans than just the federal government. That isn't even on Paul's list to cut anyway. He's not going to cut you off and kick you and your brother out on to the street.

If you want the rich to be forced to pay your way to go to school and if you want the government to take care of you from cradle to grave, support Hillary Clinton. If you think everyone should be equal and have an equal chance to succeed, support Ron Paul.

[johngr]

I am not really sure what you are asking, but I'll give it a shot.

Why would you want to punish the rich? Do you believe that hard work and service should not be rewarded? Do you believe that success should be punished?
Ron Paul wants everybody to keep their own money. No Income Tax.
Hillery wants to rob the wealthy and successful, and give it to those that have not earned it.

Would you prefer communism? Do you want everybody to be poor?
I do not understand. Do you want to work for nothing? Do you want a free ride? Who will pay you for your work or services?
In a free market society, you would have the opportunity to earn as much or as little as your ambition would allow, with little Government interference.
With no Dept of Education schools would be managed locally rather than centrally.
Private loans would still be available.
People would not be robbed to pay the way of those that don't want to work.

The corporate control of everything is an artifact of the monetary system and the controlled and regulated economy. The military-industrial-pharmeceutical complex controls and owns just about everything and is working on the rest of it. That means total enslavement for you and me. High taxes on everything including income are actually a component of their control and they would be the last ones to oppose such taxes. You're required to go to schools they control, register yourself and your children with them, take your children (and pretty soon yourself) to their doctors get licenses to do things that are part of earning a living, etc. They like everyone and everything tightly controlled. That control is part of what your tax dollars pay for. The other part is blowing shit up.

[noxagol]

"I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating....... I don't fully understand his plan or who it will help more?"

First, rich people are successful, that is why they are rich. If you get to keep less and less of your money as you make more and more, why make any money? Rich people hire other people do work for them, if there are no rich people, there are less business to hire people. Also, getting rid of all income taxes will help everyone. The average American pays half of their paycheck to taxes, both directly taken out and extra taxes added on at the store. About 22% of what you pay in the store is taxes that you don't see. This is mostly income tax on the company and social security that they have to match.

If these are eliminated, you get to keep the 28% they take out of your paycheck and you pay 22% less in the store. Just think what would happen to the economy then? It would explode and everyone benefits from a strong economy.


"And then there's a the dep of education, I'm completely lost with it.. and I'm in college right now with a student loan will Paul take it away if he becomes president.."

The Dept of Education make the cost of education more expensive because regulations always increase costs. And it also lowers quality because how can you expect a federal monolith to improve the quality of your local school? Dept of Education does not control student loans, just federal grants. And who do you think actually pays for those grants? The taxpayers do. A lot of people who need these loans wouldn't need them if they weren't taxed to pay for them. It's like social security. If they didn't take it out of my check to pay for my retirement, I woudl save that money instead and not need the government to save it for me and I would have more money as well.

Most importantly, Dr. Paul has no intention to just flip a switch and all these programs go away. He has always talked about starting the transition to getting off these programs. Dr. Paul is the start, not the end.

[RP08]

Dr. Paul has said time and time again that he doesn't want to run your life, he doesn't want to run the educational system, he doesn't want to run the economy (he "doesn't know how"). But, he understands that there are people out there who do know how, and the people trying to run stuff now are totally failing the people (perhaps by design). What Ron Paul's primary goal is, is to remove those negative forces that work against us so that working systems can allow ourselves to benefit again.

As a person who has studied economics, etc., in-depth, I am sure Dr. Paul has ideas on how some things could be implemented. Heck, he's probably more qualified in that area than ALL other candidates on both sides and their greedy hired economic advisors combined, but he's humble enough to say he's not the expert (what!?). I feel confident that he'd recognize a fatal mistake in a decision if he saw it, and deal with it.

If I'm wrong, my children are f*cked, because I see this as our last chance at the emergency brakes on this run-away train. In life, I'm a perfectionist, and where my children and family are concerned... I can't be wrong.


.

[garrettwombat]

and then there's a the dep of education, I'm completely lost with it.. and I'm in college right now with a student loan will Paul take it away if he becomes president..


i can tell you right now the department of education is completely messed up.
"no child left behind" is bullcrap... all they care about is numbers... a public school is not allowed to let there entire GP average of every student drop below a certain number... if a kid is holding those numbers back they will do the best they can to get them kicked out of there school to make there school look better... it happened to me.
there are way to many federal run programs that are horrible and it comes out of your taxes to pay for them... paul wants the schools to be run locally and have there own rules. not big government, its not there job.

and ron paul isnt taking away student loans... he is taking away federal student loans... which makes no since why we even have them to begin with.

[VoteRonPaul2008]

I am not really sure what you are asking, but I'll give it a shot.

Why would you want to punish the rich? Do you believe that hard work and service should not be rewarded? Do you believe that success should be punished?
Ron Paul wants everybody to keep their own money. No Income Tax.
Hillery wants to rob the wealthy and successful, and give it to those that have not earned it.

Would you prefer communism? Do you want everybody to be poor?
I do not understand. Do you want to work for nothing? Do you want a free ride? Who will pay you for your work or services?
In a free market society, you would have the opportunity to earn as much or as little as your ambition would allow, with little Government interference.
With no Dept of Education schools would be managed locally rather than centrally.
Private loans would still be available.
People would not be robbed to pay the way of those that don't want to work.


why are you jumping to conclusions, where did I say I wanted communism.. I support Paul.. I've read through his plan about vouchers.. and tax credits.. so I was confused... and I felt that the rich have a debt to owe... because Bush gave them tax cuts.. thats all.........

[forever4now]

Everyone should watch Ron Paul's Google discussion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg) at least once. It gives a good overall view of his philosophy.

[steph3n]

The tone of answers here is really wrong. I don't know why people have to be so rude in answering. Has anyone heard, a soft answer turns away wrath? sometimes the answers here are so harsh and brash, we will be CAUSING wrath and turning away possible support.

We all need to learn to not be so abrasive in responding. Be scrubbing bubbles, not harsh abrasives :)

[VoteRonPaul2008]

What are you talking about? I did answer your question! Getting rid of the income tax would help everybody! You, me, Bill Gates, and the single mother of 3 struggling to get by. Why should Bill Gates have to pay more taxes for being successful? Do you want him to have be forced to pay for your education just because he's smarter and richer than you?

As far as your student loan question goes, I also answered it. There will be other places to get loans than just the federal government. That isn't even on Paul's list to cut anyway. He's not going to cut you off and kick you and your brother out on to the street.

If you want the rich to be forced to pay your way to go to school and if you want the government to take care of you from cradle to grave, support Hillary Clinton. If you think everyone should be equal and have an equal chance to succeed, support Ron Paul.

WHEND DID I SAY... that rich people should pay my way through anything.. I wanted to know why he wants to keep Bush tax cuts for the wealthy....

I already support Paul I was just questioning some things I didn't understand.. but thanks for your rude comments,... now maybe I will go support Hillary.. at least her supporters answer my questions.. NEXT TIME.. you see a post with my sn... don't waste my time and yours posting...

[VoteRonPaul2008]

The tone of answers here is really wrong. I don't know why people have to be so rude in answering. Has anyone heard, a soft answer turns away wrath? sometimes the answers here are so harsh and brash, we will be CAUSING wrath and turning away possible support.

We all need to learn to not be so abrasive in responding. Be scrubbing bubbles, not harsh abrasives :)

lol.. thank you!! We all are supporting the same candidate here.. I have no idea.. what is with all the attitude..

[kylejack]

I know you're just confused, but what you're saying is offensive. You do not have a right to seize someone else's wealth to pay for your own education. There are a lot of grants and scholarships offered by organizations, and you can take a loan from a bank.

[crhoades]

and I felt that the rich have a debt to owe... because Bush gave them tax cuts.. thats all.........

That presupposes that the money was the govt's in the first place. What in fact happened was that they were able to keep the money that they worked for by investing time, money, and work to acquire it.

Bush's problem wasn't the tax cuts...It was a lack of spending cuts...well among other things!

[VoteRonPaul2008]

"I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating....... I don't fully understand his plan or who it will help more?"

First, rich people are successful, that is why they are rich. If you get to keep less and less of your money as you make more and more, why make any money? Rich people hire other people do work for them, if there are no rich people, there are less business to hire people. Also, getting rid of all income taxes will help everyone. The average American pays half of their paycheck to taxes, both directly taken out and extra taxes added on at the store. About 22% of what you pay in the store is taxes that you don't see. This is mostly income tax on the company and social security that they have to match.

If these are eliminated, you get to keep the 28% they take out of your paycheck and you pay 22% less in the store. Just think what would happen to the economy then? It would explode and everyone benefits from a strong economy.


"And then there's a the dep of education, I'm completely lost with it.. and I'm in college right now with a student loan will Paul take it away if he becomes president.."

The Dept of Education make the cost of education more expensive because regulations always increase costs. And it also lowers quality because how can you expect a federal monolith to improve the quality of your local school? Dept of Education does not control student loans, just federal grants. And who do you think actually pays for those grants? The taxpayers do. A lot of people who need these loans wouldn't need them if they weren't taxed to pay for them. It's like social security. If they didn't take it out of my check to pay for my retirement, I woudl save that money instead and not need the government to save it for me and I would have more money as well.

Most importantly, Dr. Paul has no intention to just flip a switch and all these programs go away. He has always talked about starting the transition to getting off these programs. Dr. Paul is the start, not the end.

Thank You!

[VoteRonPaul2008]

I know you're just confused, but what you're saying is offensive. You do not have a right to seize someone else's wealth to pay for your own education. There are a lot of grants and scholarships offered by organizations, and you can take a loan from a bank.


how did it turn into me seizing someone else's wealth.. that was NOT what I was implying at all..

I posted two seperate things one asking... about his tax plan and then asking about the education system

Those are two entirely different things... ?

[kylejack]

Accepting a handout from the government is little different than picking the pocket of the people who paid the taxes. Read some Ayn Rand and this will all make more sense.

[VoteRonPaul2008]

Accepting a handout from the government is little different than picking the pocket of the people who paid the taxes. Read some Ayn Rand and this will all make more sense.



Like I said before I was talking about two seperate things..

And btw, my loan is not a hand out.. I have to pay it back..? this didn't come for free..

[kylejack]

Have you read the Tenth Amendment? It says that the federal government is forbidden from giving student loans.

[Kregener]

I like the idea of a progressive tax system that punishes the rich and helps the middle class and poor, like Hillary was advocating.....

W...T...F?!?!?!?

This place is full of either change-agents or folks who simply do not get it!

[VoteRonPaul2008]

Quote: KyleJack: Have you read the Tenth Amendment? It says that the federal government is forbidden from giving student loans.

I realize that... and I agree with Paul for the most part..

But your statement makes it sound like.. I'm taking handouts or asking the wealthy to pay of my debts when I am asking something entirely different,,


A)I have to pay off my loan regardless of where it came from

B) I wanted to know if Paul eliminates student loans, AND THATS AN IF.. because like I said I was unsure.. then what would happen to the kids that cannot afford to go to college..

sorry I asked a question.......

[kylejack]

If students are a good investment and likely to pay back their loans, why can't banks loan the money directly? Why does the federal government need to get involved?

[Kregener]

I said nothing about you asking a question, what I DID do was comment on your statement as highlighted above.

"I like the idea of a progressive tax system."

Really? Then you are backing the wrong candidate!

"...that punishes the rich..."

Why would you want to..."punish" the rich, or anybody else, with burdensome taxes? The "rich" are the ones who own the corporations and factories that employ everybody else, punish them, and they will retreat within their own wealth and put millions out of work.

"...and helps the middle class and poor..."

Low and non-existent taxes help everybody, rich and poor alike.

"...like Hillary was advocating..."

Rest assured, NOTHING Hillary "advocates" will end up being a good thing in the end, and quite possibly is designed from the start to erode freedom and place all authority and control firmly in the hands of the Federal Behemoth.

Bank.

[VoteRonPaul2008]

If students are a good investment and likely to pay back their loans, why can't banks loan the money directly? Why does the federal government need to get involved?


I DON'T KNOW.. THATS WHY I ASKED.....

[RonPaulGetsIt]

The current system is broken beyond repair. Dr. Paul is the only one running who even understands the details of the problem and he is definately the only one who can and will fix it. We can debate the relative merits of tax rates for specific income groups, but to find the magic point of maximum tax revenue is impossible. People with high incomes will simply spend more time figuring how to find tax loopholes than in productive economic activities. For example if tax rates were 90% for incomes above 200k do you think people would have any incentive to work after they reach that point?

Tax cuts by definition will benefit those that pay the taxes. The top 1% of earners pay 37% of income taxes and the bottom half of earners pay 4%.

Dr. Paul wants to fix the system - to have sound money. He will eliminate the inflation tax which has destroyed the american middle class. Those that say the rich should pay more taxes usually are the same ones that are advocating all the well meaning social programs that we cannot afford. These programs are paid for by borrowing or printing money, increasing the quantity of dollars only results in iflation which affects the poor the most. It results in a devastating cycle of government dependence and lower inflation adjusted income for all except those who get use of the money first - wall street, big pharma, and the military industrial complex. The big goverment do-gooders end up hurting most the very people they are claiming to help.

Regarding the department of education - you end up with subsidize loans paid for by taxpayers. This sounds good but in reality ends up driving up the cost of tuition now to uneconomic levels. In the absense of these loans, universities and private banks could lend money directly to the students. Would you rather pay back 80k at 5% interest or without the subsidized loan program and inflated costs 40k at 8%? Again, Dr. Paul is not going to eliminate these programs overnight so students will not be hung out to dry.

[ItsTime]

VoterRonPaul2008:

Some people forget that Ron Paul is running for president not supreme ruler of the world.

Student loans would be on the lower end of the list that he will want to work with congress to fade out.

Getting rid of the Dept of Ed does not stop the STATE from issuing student loans. It puts the issue to the state.

As far as the tax issue. NO tax is a fair tax it punishes everyone. So no taxing is the way to go.

:twocents

[smtwngrl]

WHEND DID I SAY... that rich people should pay my way through anything.. I wanted to know why he wants to keep Bush tax cuts for the wealthy....
.

As has been mentioned, the tax cuts would not just be for the wealthy. Income taxes would be gone for everyone.

It's all a matter of perspective. Do you want to live in a society in which it is presumed that all the fruit of our labor belongs to the government--and they get to decide how much of it they will let us keep? That is how it is now. Believe it or not, I've actually even seen that in the MSM. (And that's how it will be, as long as we have the income tax.)

Or would it be better to live in a society in which we don't have as many taxes, and we are free?

Of course, it wouldn't be just taxes that would be cut. It would also be subsidies. No more corporate welfare, no more subsidies for the oil companies, etc..

Ron Paul has said that people think welfare goes to poor people. He has said, "Maybe that is true, but sometimes I think it is just the crumbs. The real welfare goes to the military industrial complex and the big banks."

Cutting the programs people are the most dependent on would not be something he would do short term. As he has said, "we have taught generation upon generation to be totally dependent on government, and you cannot just get rid of every program." However, corporate welfare is a different matter.

[kylejack]

Well then I'll tell you. The default rate on student loans is high, so the government is not recouping all that is invested in students, not by a long shot.

[Meatwasp]

We got a job and paid for our own higher education. That is the way I hope it eventually comes back to.

[dmspilot00]

First, the tax cuts were not for the "rich." They were for successful average people. I do not consider people rich just because their yearly income is six figures. With inflation, a family already needs a six figure combined income just to call themselves middle class anymore. Annual income is not a measure of wealth.

A progessive income tax is one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto. Punishing people who are successful is not a mark of a free society; it's actually contrary to it.

[smtwngrl]

Here's from an article about the Bush tax cuts. If they are allowed to expire, it's not just the wealthy who will be hurt by it. This talks about what some of the results will be:

The central provisions of these landmark tax bills are scheduled to expire over the next five years, which means that taxes will rise dramatically for most taxpayers. Between now and January 1, 2011,

*
Tax rates will rise substantially in each tax bracket, some by 450 basis points;
*
Low-income taxpayers will see the 10-percent tax bracket disappear, and they will have to pay taxes at the 15-percent rate;
*
Married taxpayers will see the marriage penalty return;
*
Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits;
*
Taxes on dividends will increase beginning on January 1, 2009;
*
Taxes on capital gains will increase, also beginning on January 1, 2009; and
*
Federal death taxes will come back to life in 2011, after fading down to nothing in 2010.


http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm956.cfm

[ItsTime]

Man I hope it does! Sometimes the good old days were just that... good


We got a job and paid for our own higher education. That is the way I hope it eventually comes back to.

[nickcoons]

A)I have to pay off my loan regardless of where it came from

And if you don't, the government will use taxpayer money to cover the loss. This happens quite often.


B) I wanted to know if Paul eliminates student loans, AND THATS AN IF.. because like I said I was unsure.. then what would happen to the kids that cannot afford to go to college.

He would eliminate government-backed student loans. Student loans would come from the same place all other loans come from -- Banks.

[NewEnd]

The tone of answers here is really wrong. I don't know why people have to be so rude in answering. Has anyone heard, a soft answer turns away wrath? sometimes the answers here are so harsh and brash, we will be CAUSING wrath and turning away possible support.

We all need to learn to not be so abrasive in responding. Be scrubbing bubbles, not harsh abrasives :)


I agree, some people are being real asses, and these are very important questions to a lot of people.