Breaking: Texas TSA Nullification Pulled Over Federal Threats

[ronpaulhawaii]

Just a status update at this point:


(https://www.facebook.com/chrisdixonmaine)Chris Dixon (https://www.facebook.com/chrisdixonmaine) HUGE news out of Texas. The TSA nullification bill in the Legislature was pulled after the Federal Government issued a warning threatening to shut down ALL air travel in Texas if this was passed. Federal oppression is stepping up lately. The national level Tenth Amendment Center will have a press release out tomorrow on it.

[Aldanga]

Bastards.

[FrankRep]

Update:


http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/08aMay/tsapatdown-t-ap.001.jpg



Texas bill H.B. 1937 that would have made Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents liable for sexual assault when groping passengers without probable cause was pulled from the Senate floor after the Department of Justice sent a letter threatening to create what critics called a “no-fly zone” over the state by preventing flights to or from Texas airports.


Feds "Mess With Texas," Attack Anti-TSA Bill (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7620-feds-mess-with-texas-attack-anti-tsa-bill)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
25 May 2011


A Texas bill (http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=82R&Bill=HB1937) that would have made Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents liable for sexual assault when groping passengers without probable cause was pulled from the Senate floor after the Department of Justice sent a letter (http://www.lonestarreport.org/Home/tabid/38/EntryId/1177/DOJ-letter-TSA-would-likely-be-required-to-cancel-any-flight.aspx) threatening to create what critics called a “no-fly zone” (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/24/feds-issue-threat-no-fly-zone-for-texas/) over the state by preventing flights to or from Texas airports. However, as will be demonstrated in a follow-up report by a colleague, there may well be "life after death" for this bill.

The legislation, which was aimed at securing the rights enshrined in the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, sailed through the Texas House (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7481-anti-tsa-bill-passes-texas-house) earlier this month as H.B. 1937 with a unanimous vote. It was then sent to the state Senate.

But before Texas senators had a chance to vote on the legislation, U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy sent high-ranking state officials a stark warning: Kill the bill or else. “Under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, Texas has no authority to regulate federal agents and employees in the performance of their federal duties or to pass a statute that conflicts with federal law,” Murphy alleged in the letter (http://www.lonestarreport.org/Home/tabid/38/EntryId/1177/DOJ-letter-TSA-would-likely-be-required-to-cancel-any-flight.aspx), which was obtained by the Lone Star Report.

And if the legislation were enacted, Murphy threatened that the federal government would likely seek an emergency court order prohibiting its implementation. If the courts refused to stop the bill, “TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew,” Murphy said, concluding with an ominous warning urging state officials to “consider the ramifications” before supporting the bill.

After the threatening letter was circulated, the Senate bill’s sponsor, Sen. Dan Patrick, was forced to withdraw the legislation from the floor. Patrick’s office confirmed to The New American that the state Senator did not have enough support to bring the bill up for a vote. At least a dozen senators backed down after the federal threats.

“There was a time in this state, there was a time in our history, where we stood up to the federal government and we did not cower to rules and policies that invaded the privacy of Texans,” Sen. Patrick said (http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/) before withdrawing the bill. "I will pull HB 1937 down, but I will stand for liberty in the state of Texas." He also told reporters that representatives of the TSA were allegedly “lobbying” against the bill.

But the real blame for the legislation’s setback in the Senate should be pinned on Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, according to Sen. Patrick. “When you stand on the Senate floor and the president of the Senate calls the bill up, he’s not supposed to be working against the bill while you’re debating it,” Patrick explained (http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/). “This was a case of the federal government bullying Texas, and apparently they bullied the lieutenant governor.”

The author of the legislation, state Rep. David Simpson, was outraged as well. “The federal government is attempting to deprive the citizens of Texas of their constitutional rights under the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution and Article 1, Section 9, of the Texas Constitution,” he charged (http://www.lonestarreport.org/Home/tabid/38/EntryId/1177/DOJ-letter-TSA-would-likely-be-required-to-cancel-any-flight.aspx) in response to the federal government’s bullying. “If we do not stand up for our citizens in the face of this depravation of their personal rights and dignity, who will?”

The legislation, known as the “anti-groping” bill, was wildly popular among Texans and their lawmakers. In the absence of probable cause, it would have criminalized “intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly touching the anus, sexual organ, buttocks, or breast of the other person, including touching through clothing, or touching the other person in a manner that would be offensive to a reasonable person” by federal agents.

But the feds, of course, would have none of it. And all across the country, like in Texas, the Obama administration has been ramping up federal bullying of states.

On May 24, The New American reported that the administration was threatening to withhold federal Medicaid funds from poor people in Indiana if the state refused to continue subsidizing abortion providers like Planned Parenthood (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/7607-feds-threaten-poor-in-indiana-over-abortion-law). And more and more states standing up for their citizens are finding themselves in federal crosshairs.

But it hasn’t gone unnoticed by critics and constitutionalists. The Tenth Amendment Center, commenting (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/24/feds-issue-threat-no-fly-zone-for-texas/) on the Department of Justice’s recent threat to enforce a “no-fly zone” against Texas, highlighted a number of other serious instances of unconstitutional federal bullying of state governments. The Center warned, however, that the feds shouldn’t celebrate their apparent victory in Texas just yet.

“As individuals are being unjustly molested on a daily basis, it is increasingly becoming apparent that there exists a strong, emotionally-charged undercurrent of resistance against the TSA and its invasive searches and seizures,” the Center noted (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/05/24/feds-issue-threat-no-fly-zone-for-texas/). “If anything, the withdrawal of Texas’ legislation last night should be seen as the calm before the coming storm of state-based opposition to the TSA.”

A massive campaign to resurrect the legislation being waged by a broad coalition of organizations is currently underway. Activists are being urged to contact Lt. Gov. Dewhurst and state senators to get the bill back on the floor. May 25 is the last day or the legislation will have to wait for the next session.

But Texas is not alone. At least four other states are working on similar measures. And according to the Tenth Amendment Center, at least ten more are expected to join the battle in 2012.


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7620-feds-mess-with-texas-attack-anti-tsa-bill


Related Article:

Anti-TSA Bill Passes Texas House (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7481-anti-tsa-bill-passes-texas-house)

[AdamT]

Will they stand up for themselves?

[Chester Copperpot]

We're getting closer and closer to a conflict..

C'mon Texas... Call 'em. Let them shut down everything and make sure when people bitch you tell them to call the federal govt

[FrankRep]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/files/blog_images/Don%27t%20mess%20with%20Texas.jpg

[Carehn]

they should up the anti and ban IRS workers from the state or something along those lines. call the bluff Texas!

[FrankRep]

DOJ warns Texas Senate against anti-groping-bill (UPDATE: HB 1937 pulled)

http://www.lonestarreport.org/Home/tabid/38/EntryId/1176/DOJ-warns-Texas-Senate-against-anti-groping-bill-UPDATE-HB-1937-pulled.aspx

[DXDoug]

bring it on! emailed my senator to bring the bill back and be voted on!

[low preference guy]

they should've let the airports shutdown. it would've put more pressure on congress to reform the TSA or abolish it.

[Chester Copperpot]

they should up the anti and ban IRS workers from the state or something along those lines. call the bluff Texas!

I like that... Carehm for state house!

[Chester Copperpot]

they should've let the airports shutdown. it would've put more pressure on congress to reform the TSA or abolish it.

And once one state stands up and wins all the other states will jump on the bandwagon.

the federal govt is losing its grip on power.. it might be one finger at a time.. but go it must.. and it cant be too soon.

[Carehn]

I like that... Carehm for state house!

I have to fix Idaho 1st. You will have to handle it down there for now. Mike for state senator.

[Chester Copperpot]

I have to fix Idaho 1st. You will have to handle it down there for now. Mike for state senator.

IM in NJ. hehe

We have a state senator pushing for the same sort of bill

[tekkierich]

If there ever was a state with an independent mindset needed to stand up to this it is Texas.

[Carehn]

If there ever was a state with an independent mindset needed to stand up to this it is Texas.

Don't down play Montana!!! The quiet ones are always the bad ones. Montana is just itching for a reason you can bet. ;P

[JK/SEA]

If this becomes law, and if the Feds shut down their airports, i'm thinkin' this would be the time to book a flight to Dallas. I've always wanted to visit Ron Pauls local office...hehehe....WHAT?!!...I can't go there?....i wanna talk to your supervisor!...i'm good at making a scene.

[rp4prez]

I would put money that no MSM will report this.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'd tell the Feds to go fuck themselves. Come on Texas.....why don't you just cede your State to the Fed's if you aren't willing to defend the people of Texas. What a bunch of cowards.

[Standing Liberty]

I hope the State Legislature does not back down. The more states that follow, the better.

[puppetmaster]

If they stand up I just may move my business there. I will fight right along side of them

[t0rnado]

Time for Texas to draw the proverbial line in the sand,
by keeping Texans' privates out of a TSA agent's hand.

[Knightskye]

Reliable source?

[FrankRep]

Unverified, but seems to be possible true.


Texas’s “Come And Take It” Moment (http://stopaustinscanners.org/2011/05/come-and-take-it/)

Stop Austin Scanners
May 24, 2011


On May 24, 2011, the Texas Senate read on the floor for the first time HB 1937, which bans the TSA and any other State or Federal Government official from using a “pat-down” without probable cause as a condition for entering an airplane or a public building.

Earlier that Tuesday, the US Department of Justice delivered a letter to the Speaker of the House Joe Straus and Lt. Governor David Dewhurst threatening the State of Texas with legal action if they passed this bill:



If HR 1937 were enacted, the federal government would likely seek an emergency stay of the statute. Unless or until such a stay were granted, TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew.

[Batman]

As a former Texan I'm hoping they stand up to the Federal Gubbmint. I still visit four times a year and I may be taking work down there soon. This fight concerns me too. If Texas can go even halfway I'd be happy to put up with a bit of inconvenience just to get my freedom back.

Don't back down Texas, show 'em what the Lone Star means.

[Reason]

I'd tell the Feds to go fuck themselves. Come on Texas.....why don't you just cede your State to the Fed's if you aren't willing to defend the people of Texas. What a bunch of cowards.

Agreed.

[libertarian4321]

As I understand it, the sponsor of the bill in the state senate pulled it from consideration- probably after the Governor pulled him aside and talked to him.

[libertarian4321]

I'd tell the Feds to go fuck themselves. Come on Texas.....why don't you just cede your State to the Fed's if you aren't willing to defend the people of Texas. What a bunch of cowards.

Texans are cowards?

And what are all you brave heroes doing up there in Wisconsin?

Don't point fingers until you've done something yourself...

[Anti Federalist]

Texans are cowards?

And what are all you brave heroes doing up there in Wisconsin?

Don't point fingers until you've done something yourself...

NH was one of the first in the nation to say no to REAL ID.

We refuse to enact a mandatory seat belt law, costing millions in federal goodies every year.

There is an Anti TSA bill working it's way through the NH house.

I won't call you cowards, but don't cave Texas, the feds tried the same thing with REAL ID.

This should be a real eye opener though. Shows who they think the fucking boss is.

God, the Anti Federalists were so right.

[tpreitzel]

As an interim measure, I wonder if unmolested travel by air is still possible from small carriers flying from private airfields. Of course, axing the un"Patritiot" Act and eliminating the TSA goons and DHS must be pursued concomitantly as well.

[Mani]

NH was one of the first in the nation to say no to REAL ID.

We refuse to enact a mandatory seat belt law, costing millions in federal goodies every year.

There is an Anti TSA bill working it's way through the NH house.

I won't call you cowards, but don't cave Texas, the feds tried the same thing with REAL ID.

This should be a real eye opener though. Shows who they think the fucking boss is.

God, the Anti Federalists were so right.

I can't believe what I just saw in this thread. The EMPIRE flexed it's muscles and told a brave state to STFU and sit down.

Sadly besides a few I think 90% of the population still didn't notice.

I haven't been watching the Federal government like a hawk as some of you have, but I found this shocking that the Fed can OPENLY tell a state to "STFU and if you don't I WILL FUCK YOU so hard your state will be crippled and come to a screeching halt. Don't even fucking THINK about it."

Air traffic cannot be shutdown, its like putting up a blockade around a state. American Airlines hub is Dallas, how can the DOJ even THINK of such a threat??

The TSA is ALL POWERFUL. You WILL be groped, your genitals will be touched, and you will comply. If you so far as wimper about it, we will wreak havoc on your state beyond what you could possibly imagine.

[Chester Copperpot]

Yeah the federal government will be responsible for destroying a lot of jobs and making alot of airlines go out of business.

too bad.

let texas run the airlines too

[qh4dotcom]

:)

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Texans are cowards?

And what are all you brave heroes doing up there in Wisconsin?

Don't point fingers until you've done something yourself...

I'm a Floridian, not a Wisconsinite. Besides that fact, I impugned the Government of Texas, not the people, as evidenced by the prior sentence. Surely, you do not fancy yourself a vestige of the Government?

Also, I intend to move to a State that actually preaches what it means (aka New Hampshire). You are free to join the FSP at any time along with me and enjoy the ride!

[AFPVet]

The thing is... no state has ever called their bluff. If the states realize that they are the union, regroup and resist, perhaps Washington will understand what the U.S. actually means.

[tpreitzel]

The thing is... no state has ever called their bluff. If the states realize that they are the union, regroup and resist, perhaps Washington will understand what the U.S. actually means.

Right. Actually two or more states should coordinate their attack on Washington, D.C.'s usurpation of power.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The thing is... no state has ever called their bluff. If the states realize that they are the union, regroup and resist, perhaps Washington will understand what the U.S. actually means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOIFGrYtaE

Florida has done it once before. I'm ready to do it again. I'll be bringing the Southern-fighting spirit to NH :p

[nemt4paul]

I'm a Floridian, not a Wisconsinite. Besides that fact, I impugned the Government of Texas, not the people, as evidenced by the prior sentence. Surely, you do not fancy yourself a vestige of the Government?

Also, I intend to move to a State that actually preaches what it means (aka New Hampshire). You are free to join the FSP at any time along with me and enjoy the ride!

New Hampshire propelled McCain to a resounding victory in 2008......don't get ahead of yourself.

[Mani]

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/17/texas-house-passes-tsa-anti-groping-bill/?xid=rss-politics-huffpo

When the bill was gaining some attention the TSA made this comment:

"We do not comment on pending legislation, though the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution prevents states from regulating the federal government. Between November 2010 and March 2011, TSA screened nearly 252 million people. In that same time period, we received 898 complaints from individuals who have experienced or witnessed a pat down. Less than three percent of passengers require pat downs at the checkpoint."


Hmmm....Sure seems like this is a NON-ISSUE. NOT A BIG DEAL. "Heck we only had 898 complaints out of 252 million people, we do a hell of job of keeping you safe, there's no problem.."


And for something that appears to be a NON-ISSUE they SURE are BRINGING THE HAMMER to make sure to STOP THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW!

DON'T YOU DARE PASS THIS LEGISLATION OR WE WILL FUCK UP YOUR STATE SO BAD YOU WONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DO WITH YOURSELVES.


The only way to defeat this attitude is if a few states coordinate together. This is appalling.

[tpreitzel]

Right. Actually two or more states should coordinate their attack on Washington, D.C.'s usurpation of power.

However, to be effective, those states need governors like candidates Ray McBerry and Debra Medina

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

New Hampshire propelled McCain to a resounding victory in 2008......don't get ahead of yourself.

State-politics are a completely different matter than Federal. Using your logic, it would appear to be a hopeless endeavor seeing that its been --- oh 90 years since anyone with a semblance of bias to liberty held the Presidency. NH resists DC more than any other State -- and there are more libertarians in NH per capita than anywhere else. If you can name me one State besides NH that has two libertarians elected, let alone a band of dozens, let me know.

[AFPVet]

Right. Actually two or more states should coordinate their attack on Washington, D.C.'s usurpation of power.

The United States of America is a union of the states—not a dictatorship of the career politicians. All it takes is the states to say no. The Supremacy Clause only refers to Constitutional issues. In this context, Washington is not obeying the Constitution—therefore, the Supremacy Clause is null and void.

[tpreitzel]

The United States of America is a union of the states—not a dictatorship of the career politicians. All it takes is the states to say no. The Supremacy Clause only refers to Constitutional issues. In this context, Washington is not obeying the Constitution—therefore, the Supremacy Clause is null and void.

So, you mean like the current Montana legislature and Governor Schweitzer? ;) Unfortunately, it's a bit more problematic than you make it sound. Why? Because career politicians don't really give a damn about the rule of law, i.e. the US Constitution, and many states have legislatures willing to act, but governors like Schweitzer who just vent a lot of hot air. In other words, at the level of state, the people are willing to go to war, but their leader is MIA.

[Anti Federalist]

I can't believe what I just saw in this thread. The EMPIRE flexed it's muscles and told a brave state to STFU and sit down.

Sadly besides a few I think 90% of the population still didn't notice.

I haven't been watching the Federal government like a hawk as some of you have, but I found this shocking that the Fed can OPENLY tell a state to "STFU and if you don't I WILL FUCK YOU so hard your state will be crippled and come to a screeching halt. Don't even fucking THINK about it."

Air traffic cannot be shutdown, its like putting up a blockade around a state. American Airlines hub is Dallas, how can the DOJ even THINK of such a threat??

The TSA is ALL POWERFUL. You WILL be groped, your genitals will be touched, and you will comply. If you so far as wimper about it, we will wreak havoc on your state beyond what you could possibly imagine.

That about sums it up, literally.

What Mani wrote is not hyperbole, bluster or overheated rhetoric.

It's fact.

So, what, if anything, are we gonna do about it?

[AFPVet]

So, you mean like the current Montana legislature and Governor Schweitzer? ;) Unfortunately, it's a bit more problematic than you make it sound. Why? Because career politicians don't really give a damn about the rule of law, i.e. the US Constitution, and many states have legislatures willing to act, but governors like Schweitzer who just vent a lot of hot air. In other words, at the level of state, the people are willing to go to war, but their leader is MIA.

Good point. Wishful thinking I guess.

[headhawg7]

The United States of America is a union of the states—not a dictatorship of the career politicians. All it takes is the states to say no. The Supremacy Clause only refers to Constitutional issues. In this context, Washington is not obeying the Constitution—therefore, the Supremacy Clause is null and void.
I agree and this is why the 17th amendment needs to be repealed. The US senators are supposed to represent the states at the federal level and they do not.

[tpreitzel]

Good point. Wishful thinking I guess.

Although I don't see any such candidates running for governor in 2012, IF we, the people, elected just one (preferably two or more) such states-rights' governor into power along with a suitable legislature, then just wait for the fireworks to begin!

[tpreitzel]

So, who of YOU has the charisma, intelligence, and tenacity to become the first states-rights' governor in recent memory while simultaneously inciting the people into electing a compliant legislature? Lift your heads and go for it! :)

[Anti Federalist]

I was bitching at a TSA goon a few weeks back, and he asked me, "Sir, (always the smarmy "sir", same as cops, when you know they don't fucking mean it for a second) do you want to file a complaint?"

I said, (paraphrasing) "No, because I don't have a complaint about your 'policies' or that you ripped off my wallet. I find this whole entire operation repulsive and a horrendous violation of the bill of rights. I have a 'complaint' about the entire system, and I've already made my thoughts known, as much as anybody pays attention to a mundane citizen, to people much higher than that little complaint card will go.


http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/17/texas-house-passes-tsa-anti-groping-bill/?xid=rss-politics-huffpo

When the bill was gaining some attention the TSA made this comment:

"We do not comment on pending legislation, though the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution prevents states from regulating the federal government. Between November 2010 and March 2011, TSA screened nearly 252 million people. In that same time period, we received 898 complaints from individuals who have experienced or witnessed a pat down. Less than three percent of passengers require pat downs at the checkpoint."


Hmmm....Sure seems like this is a NON-ISSUE. NOT A BIG DEAL. "Heck we only had 898 complaints out of 252 million people, we do a hell of job of keeping you safe, there's no problem.."


And for something that appears to be a NON-ISSUE they SURE are BRINGING THE HAMMER to make sure to STOP THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW!

DON'T YOU DARE PASS THIS LEGISLATION OR WE WILL FUCK UP YOUR STATE SO BAD YOU WONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DO WITH YOURSELVES.


The only way to defeat this attitude is if a few states coordinate together. This is appalling.

[AFPVet]

I was bitching at a TSA goon a few weeks back, and he asked me, "Sir, (always the smarmy "sir", same as cops, when you know they don't fucking mean it for a second) do you want to file a complaint?"

I said, (paraphrasing) "No, because I don't have a complaint about your 'policies' or that you ripped off my wallet. I find this whole entire operation repulsive and a horrendous violation of the bill of rights. I have a 'complaint' about the entire system, and I've already made my thoughts known, as much as anybody pays attention to a mundane citizen, to people much higher than that little complaint card will go.

Nice!

[lynnf]

10th Amendment Center's response:

The Feds have seriously escalated their attack on the states by issuing a formal threat to the State of Texas. Please share this information widely!


Warning from DC: No Fly Zone for Texas?
Please read and comment - and share this article everywhere: Yesterday, the U.S. Department of Justice upped the ante in a high-stakes political game of chicken. Lobbying against pending legislation in the Texas legislature which would criminalize any searches conducted without probable cause, U.S. Attorney John E. Murphy sent a letter to a few high-ranking members of Texas’ government warning against promoting the bill and threatening a complete closure of all flights to and from the state.

“If HR [sic] 1937 were enacted, the federal government would likely seek an emergency stay of the statute,” Murphy wrote. “Unless or until such a stay were granted, TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew.”

No doubt written with the threatening intent one reads into it, Murphy added: “We urge that you consider the ramifications of this bill before casting your vote.”

Previous to the federal government’s threat, the Texas legislature had considered the ramifications of the bill. More importantly, they were responding to a clear need to uphold the Fourth Amendment and ensure that each person enjoys the right “to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures” — a right which the U.S. Constitution mandates “shall not be violated.”

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[qh4dotcom]

What everyone seems to forget is that the Obama supporters are being groped too....the current number of people being groped is not doing the job of bringing down Obama's approval numbers....I am willing to be groped if that means Obama supporters will be groped and will wake up.

Although I must admit that groping is not that necessary in Texas because that red state is unlikely to be won by Obama.



they should've let the airports shutdown. it would've put more pressure on congress to reform the TSA or abolish it.

That'll work too instead of more groping

[lynnf]

You know, all of you outside of Texas can help, too, by
contacting the TSA and letting them know what you
think of their blackmail. Link to contacting TSA:

http://www.tsa.gov/contact/index.shtm

[Krugerrand]

Texas should pass the legislation and issue a statement that any air traffic embargo will be treated as an act of war. As a result, Texas will halt any and all exports out of its state.

[teacherone]

Confirmed

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/

[chudrockz]

It may not be this issue this time, but I really think at some point in the near future things are gonna come to a head somewhere. I'm FULLY prepared to move to the first state to secede from the union. Right NOW.

[chudrockz]

As an aside, I went to the Tenth Amendment Center's website and it's really easy even for a computer ignoramus like me to post the story on Facebook. So I did that. I suggest as many as possible do likewise.

If the "Mainstream" "media" won't report this, WE need to!

[payme_rick]

Confirmed

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/

While I still think State Senator Dan Patrick is a piece of shit, I'd +rep him if he had a username here...

[nobody's_hero]

As an aside, I went to the Tenth Amendment Center's website and it's really easy even for a computer ignoramus like me to post the story on Facebook. So I did that. I suggest as many as possible do likewise.

If the "Mainstream" "media" won't report this, WE need to!

Yes, the Tenth Amendment Center's website is well managed and comprehensive. They're doing a great job there.

Their videos look very professional too.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TenthAmendmentCenter?blend=7&ob=5#

[Chester Copperpot]

so I guess thats it? the bill is dead? 12 senators withdrew their support?

[nobody's_hero]

Confirmed

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/

Some of the comments there are very telling.


Well at least our state lawmakers got to waste some time putting it together. Much more fun that boring old crap like saving our schools or providing healthcare for children and poor people.

Translation: I don't really give a shit about freedom I just want to get by and I'm too stupid to take interest in my child's education, I need the government to do it. Oh, and we need our slaves to be really healthy, even the poor ones.


Well now that, it's out in the Public knowledge guess where the terrorist are going to go to initiate their attacks? Nice!

Translation: Terrorists are going to attack Texas because they want less groping in their airports. [As if terrorists are stupid enough attack Texas]


I SO appreciate their priorities!

Translation: Managing my life should be the top priority of any government official.


This bill wasn't about safety or freedom, it was about pandering to the tea party base. Political theatre at it's finest considering the politicians were fully aware that they have no authority over TSA or federal law. Glad this side show is over, perhaps now theyd be interested in actually doing their JOBS instead of grandstanding. Now, I know it's not an emergency like voter IDs and sonograms, but perhaps you all can get to work and address some issues like the state's structural tax deficit or school finance. Just a thought....

Translation: When the republicans control the Federal government again, I'll actually give a shit about freedom. For now, the Feds can take as much of my freedom away as long as I get something in return.

[ItsTime]

Confirmed

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/fed-threat-shuts-down-tsa-groping-bill-in-texas/

Could use some Texas peeps help in the comment section.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Will they stand up for themselves?

I was born and live in Texas. No, the lawyers in Texas are not going to stand up for the people as such a foolish act is not lucrative for them. Now, they will pretend to confront the government to stand up for the people. In the end, the political situation is beautiful for tyranny including many who rule in Texas.
Look, ain't no way tyranny will ever be stopped by electing members to go to Washington. The only way to get power back into the hands of the states is by way of American Movements.
No waste of motion. Tis better to go fishing and not worry about it than to send an army of lawyering lobbyists to Washington DC to screw things up even worse.

[payme_rick]

I tried and tried to leave comments but it wouldn't let me (I'm on my Blackberry, sure it'd be easier at a PC, maybe later)...

Just goes to show, all of that Texas tough talk is just that, talk!

BOHICA, Texas! (Bend over here it comes againa)...

[libertyjam]

If this becomes law, and if the Feds shut down their airports, i'm thinkin' this would be the time to book a flight to Dallas. I've always wanted to visit Ron Pauls local office...hehehe....WHAT?!!...I can't go there?....i wanna talk to your supervisor!...i'm good at making a scene.

You would be better off taking your flight to Houston, then drive S. for 45 min to an hour if you want to get to RP district office.

[Southron]

How is the federal government going to shut down air travel in Texas? Is it going to institute a no-fly zone and shoot down planes?

The federal thugs were just calling their bluff. Those state senators probably have hopes for federal office some day and don't want to get blacklisted.

If they had any guts they would get the State guard ready or call up the Constitutional Militia.

[JK/SEA]

It's darnn near laughable about them threatening to shut down air travel to and from Texas..REALLY?..in this economy?...really?...c'mon Texas, tell these idiots to go eff themselves...soo, what their saying is National Security trumps the economy and JOBS, and tax revenue...HAHAHAHA!....god damn, this is surreal...over the very slim chance some dofus actually hijacks a jet...or sets off a bomb?...fuck me runnin', these guys making these threats should be the ones in prison.

[K466]

Cowards! Let's have a showdown!

[CaliforniaMom]

I had really hoped the TSA groping policy would've been stopped by now. I haven't flown anywhere since it started. How am I ever going to visit my family in India? I refuse to let some perverted TSA worker stick his hands down my kids' pants.
It's really a hopeless feeling, to know my only options are to either be molested by the TSA or to never see my family in India again. :(

[JK/SEA]

You would be better off taking your flight to Houston, then drive S. for 45 min to an hour if you want to get to RP district office.

Yes. I should look at a map first. Thankyou for the tip.

[chudrockz]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/88607.html

Lew Rockwell blog picked up the story. There's a link for a group called Stop Austin Scanners! which makes it very easy to send an email with your thoughts on the subject. I just did it.

[nobody's_hero]

Let Texas Rangers guard the airports.

Whole episode is available on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP678U0nUew&feature=related

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Texas should pass the legislation and issue a statement that any air traffic embargo will be treated as an act of war. As a result, Texas will halt any and all exports out of its state.

Would be interesting to see what might have happened had Texas called their bluff. If the Feds blockaded Texas, it WOULD be an Act of War as well as an Act of Treason as per the US Constitution.

[Bern]

Texas foldem. Damn it. They should have called the Fed's bluff and forced the issue onto the national stage. Way to go spineless maggots. The TSA could have ensured safety without porno scanners or groping. That's the whole point of the bill. I will be writing my State Senator when I get home from my business trip.

[KingRobbStark]

Dammit, I got a hard-on for nothing. Texas gave me hope for a second, and then BAAM limp once again.

[Philhelm]

What a disappointment. Perhaps Texas should have assembled a militia before trying to pass the bill...

[Rocket80]

I refuse to let some perverted TSA worker stick his hands down my kids' pants.

If that is your only issue you can probably just 'roll the dice' and hope it doesn't happen. I've flown out of LA twice this last month, to Hawaii and to Reno and at all 4 security check points I simply eye-balled the scene, and chose the line without the porno-scanner, and was never required to get physically searched.

If your refusal is a more philosophical one, and you are refusing on principle to fly until they end the policy, then, yeah, you're kinda screwed - but I admire you for it.

[FrankRep]

http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/08aMay/tsapatdown-t-ap.001.jpg



Texas bill H.B. 1937 that would have made Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents liable for sexual assault when groping passengers without probable cause was pulled from the Senate floor after the Department of Justice sent a letter threatening to create what critics called a “no-fly zone” over the state by preventing flights to or from Texas airports.


Feds "Mess With Texas," Attack Anti-TSA Bill (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7620-feds-mess-with-texas-attack-anti-tsa-bill)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
25 May 2011

[Anti Federalist]

Most of the southern states, including Texas, are hives of police state activity and are usually in bed with the fedgov at many levels. There is more surveillance in Texas than NYC, as far as I can tell.

Not to mention being overrun with NY/NJ/CT/PA refugees or in the process of "Cali fornication".

The rebellion isn't going to start in Texas, Florida, Georgia or North Carolina, all the tough talk bullshit notwithstanding.

It will be a small, sparsely populated state with nothing left to lose and having a committed minority of people in the state willing to go to the mattresses for freedom, that will light this firecracker, if indeed, it is ever going to get lit.

Montana, Wyoming, New Hampshire, maybe Alaska or Idaho, that's where to look.

[georgiaboy]

Oh, Come On, TEXAS! Stand your ground NOW! The line in the sand has been drawn, and your bill is on the right side of that line!

Bring it on. Call their bluff. This is the time, this is the place, to swing the pendulum back where it belongs. Stand firm, and we'll stand with you all over this nation!

Hey, Ron Paul! See if you can talk some sense into those state legislators for the state you represent in Congress!

[puppetmaster]

Most of the southern states, including Texas, are hives of police state activity and are usually in bed with the fedgov at many levels. There is more surveillance in Texas than NYC, as far as I can tell.

Not to mention being overrun with NY/NJ/CT/PA refugees or in the process of "Cali fornication".

The rebellion isn't going to start in Texas, Florida, Georgia or North Carolina, all the tough talk bullshit notwithstanding.

It will be a small, sparsely populated state with nothing left to lose and having a committed minority of people in the state willing to go to the mattresses for freedom, that will light this firecracker, if indeed, it is ever going to get lit.

Montana, Wyoming, New Hampshire, maybe Alaska or Idaho, that's where to look.

Yep, or a combination of the above listed

[TruckinMike]

//

[James Madison]

Ron should issue a statement condeming this action by the Feds. Not to mention it would pretty much make him a lock for the Texas primary.

[JK/SEA]

remember the Alamo.....yawn.

[Pericles]

How is the federal government going to shut down air travel in Texas? Is it going to institute a no-fly zone and shoot down planes?

The federal thugs were just calling their bluff. Those state senators probably have hopes for federal office some day and don't want to get blacklisted.

If they had any guts they would get the State guard ready or call up the Constitutional Militia.

The State Guard has less than 2000, and is not allowed to have guns. This Constitution is not being used either:

THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS

That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:
Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.

Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

Sec. 3. EQUAL RIGHTS. All free men, when they form a social compact, have equal rights, and no man, or set of men, is entitled to exclusive separate public emoluments, or privileges, but in consideration of public services.

Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

Sec. 24. MILITARY SUBORDINATE TO CIVIL AUTHORITY. The military shall at all times be subordinate to the civil authority.

Sec. 27. RIGHT OF ASSEMBLY; PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES. The citizens shall have the right, in a peaceable manner, to assemble together for their common good; and apply to those invested with the powers of government for redress of grievances or other purposes, by petition, address or remonstrance.

Sec. 29. PROVISIONS OF BILL OF RIGHTS EXCEPTED FROM POWERS OF GOVERNMENT; TO FOREVER REMAIN INVIOLATE. To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

[Lucille]

Pathetic.

[qh4dotcom]

I guess all of you have forgotten that Ron Paul only got 5% in the 2008 Texas primary.

[FrankRep]

I guess all of you have forgotten that Ron Paul only got 5% in the 2008 Texas primary.

What's your point? Texas House Passed the Anti-TSA Bill.

[TheDrakeMan]

I guess all of you have forgotten that Ron Paul only got 5% in the 2008 Texas primary.

He's now 2nd in Texas according to the latest polls. Ron Paul needs to make this an issue and influence TX's State Senators.

[puppetmaster]

What's your point? Texas House Passed the Anti-TSA Bill.

Guess when push comes to shove people still cave in....Ron Paul should be able to win his own state if they were so badass freedom fighters don't ya'll think?

[puppetmaster]

He's now 2nd in Texas according to the latest polls. Ron Paul needs to make this an issue and influence TX's State Senators.
Now we're talking. He has to win Texas!

[TheDrakeMan]

Better yet, Ron Paul should run for Governor once his 2012 presidential campaign fails. He would have more than enough support from the people inside of Texas and across the country.

[nobody's_hero]

Most of the southern states, including Texas, are hives of police state activity and are usually in bed with the fedgov at many levels. There is more surveillance in Texas than NYC, as far as I can tell.

Not to mention being overrun with NY/NJ/CT/PA refugees or in the process of "Cali fornication".

The rebellion isn't going to start in Texas, Florida, Georgia or North Carolina, all the tough talk bullshit notwithstanding.

It will be a small, sparsely populated state with nothing left to lose and having a committed minority of people in the state willing to go to the mattresses for freedom, that will light this firecracker, if indeed, it is ever going to get lit.

Montana, Wyoming, New Hampshire, maybe Alaska or Idaho, that's where to look.

I sort of hope it doesn't start here in the south, for another reason. If it does, it will immediately branded as a 'revival of the confederacy' or some nonsense and that will rule out about 37 states in the U.S. from trying anything similar, for fear of being associated with us southern "racists." A state like New York or California should go first, but that won't ever happen under this administration with their team in the oval office.

[TheDrakeMan]

I sort of hope it doesn't start here in the south, for another reason. If it does, it will immediately branded as a 'revival of the confederacy' or some nonsense and that will rule out about 37 states in the U.S. from trying anything similar, for fear of being associated with us southern "racists." A state like New York or California should go first, but that won't ever happen under this administration with their team in the oval office.


No offense, but that just seems like some defeatist attitude. The media is going to demonize the Conservative movement no matter what we do. Nullification, secession, rallying, all of these activities will be branded as racist or extremist. Honestly, I think we could accomplish much more if we tried harder to make ideas like secession mainstream and simply laugh at accusations of racism. Just call anyone who plays the race card a "libtard" and put them in their place.

[awake]

Who pulled it?

[DXDoug]

Email your senator and ask them to bring this bill back

[JK/SEA]

better yet, ron paul should run for governor once his 2012 presidential campaign fails. He would have more than enough support from the people inside of texas and across the country.

stfu.

[TheDrakeMan]

stfu.

You shut the fuck up. It's a legitimate point. RP's may not win in 2012, but he could become the next Governor of Texas and nullify a whole ton of laws. He would be more powerful than he is now in the Congress.

[FrankRep]

DRUDGE REPORT

TSA Threatens To Cancel All Flights Out Of Texas If 'Groping Bill' Passed...
http://www.infowars.com/financial-terrorism-tsa-holds-texas-flights-hostage/

[JK/SEA]

You shut the fuck up. It's a legitimate point. RP's may not win in 2012, but he could become the next Governor of Texas and nullify a whole ton of laws. He would be more powerful than he is now in the Congress.

no, you stfu. DEFEATIST.

[nobody's_hero]

No offense, but that just seems like some defeatist attitude. The media is going to demonize the Conservative movement no matter what we do. Nullification, secession, rallying, all of these activities will be branded as racist or extremist. Honestly, I think we could accomplish much more if we tried harder to make ideas like secession mainstream and simply laugh at accusations of racism. Just call anyone who plays the race card a "libtard" and put them in their place.

I know, but perception is 9/10ths of the law (pun intended). The worst case scenario for the leviathan is if a northern or western state happened to be the first to secede. They already have their race cards ready for when a southern state tries it.

But say, if Montana or Washington state were to secede first, the establishment could be caught off guard. "OMG, racists, no wait, uh . . . shit, give us a minute."

[libertyjam]

Who pulled it?

The Sponsor, Sen. Dan Patrick did.

[TheDrakeMan]

I know, but perception is 9/10ths of the law (pun intended). The worst case scenario for the leviathan is if a northern or western state happened to be the first to secede. They already have their race cards ready for when a southern state tries it.

But say, if Montana or Washington state were to secede first, the establishment could be caught off guard. "OMG, racists, no wait, uh . . . shit, give us a minute."


I thought about this before, and it's cool idea, but I don't know if it's practical. Montana & Wyoming could secede, but they'd still be landlocked. New Hampshire could secede, but there's no guarantee America would still allow them to cross the border or support free trade with them. This would sink the N.H. economy since most of the people of that state are reliant on Boston. But when it comes to the south, they already have a proud separate identity, and according to polls 55% of Texan Republicans WISH To secede. I don't know, but it seems at the moment our best hope for freedom is in the south. But it's too early to tell.

[DXDoug]

once agian if you havent emailed your texas senator and ask them to not pull this bill and bring it to be voted on

[nobody's_hero]

I thought about this before, and it's cool idea, but I don't know if it's practical. Montana & Wyoming could secede, but they'd still be landlocked. New Hampshire could secede, but there's no guarantee America would still allow them to cross the border or support free trade with them. This would sink the N.H. economy since most of the people of that state are reliant on Boston. But when it comes to the south, they already have a proud separate identity, and according to polls 55% of Texan Republicans WISH To secede. I don't know, but it seems at the moment our best hope for freedom is in the south. But it's too early to tell.

Probably a fair analysis. I don't know that 'free trade' is critical to economic growth; it would probably 'stun' their economy, no doubt, but more New Hampshire folks would step up and create their own businesses to meet demand, and become a self sufficient community. I know that theory doesn't jive well around here but that's another topic, I guess.

My point is that I just want one northern state to go first so I can look at those smug MSM race baiters and say, "See, it really isn't about 'racism.' So, go screw yourself, while I join these yankees in cracking the foundation of your ivory tower."

[Anti Federalist]

I know, but perception is 9/10ths of the law (pun intended). The worst case scenario for the leviathan is if a northern or western state happened to be the first to secede. They already have their race cards ready for when a southern state tries it.

But say, if Montana or Washington state were to secede first, the establishment could be caught off guard. "OMG, racists, no wait, uh . . . shit, give us a minute."

One call to SPLC is all it would take...

Viper Militia, Montana Freemen and Zealots, oh my!


Probably a fair analysis. I don't know that 'free trade' is critical to economic growth; it would probably 'stun' their economy, no doubt, but more New Hampshire folks would step up and create their own businesses to meet demand, and become a self sufficient community. I know that theory doesn't jive well around here but that's another topic, I guess.

My point is that I just want one northern state to go first so I can look at those smug MSM race baiters and say, "See, it really isn't about 'racism.' So, go screw yourself, while I join these yankees in cracking the foundation of your ivory tower."

LoL ^^^^ that!

[american.swan]

i tried and tried to leave comments but it wouldn't let me (i'm on my blackberry, sure it'd be easier at a pc, maybe later)...

Just goes to show, all of that texas tough talk is just that, talk!

Bohica, texas! (bend over here it comes againa)...

2616d014

[nocompromises]

Texas is a piece of chicken dung.

They are all cowards!

So what if the TSA banned flights, liberty is more important than air transport!

If anyone involved in backing down has their child molested in front of them at the airport by TSA agents, they now have ZERO right to complain! They basically just stated to the world THEY DON'T GIVE A HOOT about anyone's personal dignity or privacy.

[FrankRep]

Texas is a piece of chicken dung.

They are all cowards!

Chill out, NoCom.


Infowars.com:
Texans Take to Capitol, Demand Representatives Resist TSA Tyranny (http://www.infowars.com/texans-take-to-capitol-demand-representatives-resist-tsa-tyranny/)

Dallas News:
Anti-TSA protesters storm through Capitol halls (http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/anti-tsa-protesters-storm-thro.html)

Austin Statesman:
Boisterous protest over airport-groping bill (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2011/05/25/protestors_try_to_storm_senate.html)

[QueenB4Liberty]

We're getting closer and closer to a conflict..

C'mon Texas... Call 'em. Let them shut down everything and make sure when people bitch you tell them to call the federal govt

That's what I said.

I can't believe this. This is embarrassing for Texas. But the federal government has no worries about openly threatening to stop a form of travel if we don't comply with their rules. This is a very ominous sign.

[FrankRep]

The Feds Came For It And Texas Gave It (http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php/news/featured/1604-the-feds-came-for-it-and-texas-gave-it)


Texas Nationalist Movement (http://www.texasnationalist.com/)
25 May 2011


In 1938, Neville Chamberlain, Prime Minister of Great Britain, returned to England after negotiating a settlement with Hitler and Nazi Germany. After years of Nazi aggression in Europe where country after country fell to the German war machine, Chamberlain, touting the success of his doctrine of appeasement publicly boasted that he had secured "peace for our time."

He had not.

Today Texas faces an aggression more insidious, though less violent, than that faced by Europe in the 1930's and 1940's. This time it flows not from Berlin but from the vicinity of the Potomac River.

Yesterday, the Texas Legislature took a cue from Chamberlain and bowed to a Federal Government threat to shut down air travel if Texas criminalized the touching of peoples genitals by TSA workers at airports.

The United States Department of Justice, in anticipation of the almost guaranteed passage of the bill fired off a letter to the Texas Senate threatening to shut down all air travel in Texas if it passed. Channeling the spirit of Neville Chamberlain, Lt. Governor David Dewhurst in concert with Senator Kirk Watson used this threat as an excuse to work behind the scenes to kill the bill.

Until this legislative session, appeasement has never been a part of the Texan character. The actions and inactions of this session of the Texas Legislature serve to tarnish the memory of the heroes of Gonzales, the Alamo and San Jacinto. They have forgotten the lesson of Goliad - surrendering to tyranny is often followed by your own massacre.

While this legislation and all of the circumstances surrounding it may seem like an odd rallying point for the Texas Nationalist Movement, it must be.

Our Cassandra's Cry has, for years, been that the Constitution of United States has been destroyed and that there is no saving the Union. The TSA's actions in fondling men, women and children is a violation of the rights guaranteed in the 4th Amendment to the United States Constitution. Texans should have the right to be secure in our papers, persons and pants.

We are not.

In addition, Texas should have the right under the 10th Amendment to regulate activities within its own borders and stand against the intrusion of the Federal Government into the lives of Texans that exceeds its Constitutional mandate.

We do not.

In essence, the Federal Government has said that:

The Constitution doesn't matter.

If you don't let us fondle your men, women and children then we will cripple your economy.
This is a message that has been repeated on more than one occasion over the last several years. On the issues of energy, agriculture, the border and many others, the Federal Government has stuck to their party line - this is our party and you'll cry if we want you to.

If they believe that tyranny administered by the TSA is acceptable then I invite Lt. Governor Dewhurst and Sen. Watson to bring their wives and children to the South Steps of the Capitol where they will be given a standard TSA search. If, after subjecting their spouses and children to this humiliating public display as thousands of other Texans have, they still find it acceptable then we will never speak on this subject again.

It is time for Texas to fulfill the words of Sam Houston. It is time for us to lift our head and stand among the nations. It is time to put an end to Federal threats, Federal inaction and Federal encroachments on our sovereignty.

To accomplish this, the people of Texas must stand up for freedom and independence. They must assert their national character and overcome the do-nothing politicians in Austin. This is no longer about the politicians. They cannot solve the problem. This is about the people.

I call on all the people of Texas who care about freedom and independence to rally around the cause of the Texas Nationalist Movement and work with us to end Federal rule in Texas once and for all.

Unlike the Texas Legislature, the Texas Nationalist Movement is committed to securing and protecting the independence of Texas no matter the threats and no matter the cost. While they have repeatedly caved and wavered, we have not. As we have met challenges on our road to independence we have adapted and overcome. While the Texas government has stood silently by as Texas has become the whipping boy of Uncle Sam, we have exercised every method at our disposal to rage against the machine of tyranny. When we fly the "Come And Take It" flag, we mean it.

Where the Legislature has failed to lead, we will.

The message from the members of the Texas Nationalist Movement to the Texas Legislature is simple: "You're sitting in our seats."

[nocompromises]

The Texas government needs to put their own troops on commercial plane flights and force the TSA to accept the flights! The TSA folks might have the courage to molest 90 year old half-blind women in walkers, but I doubt they have the courage to stand up against the military of Texas!

[nocompromises]

If they believe that tyranny administered by the TSA is acceptable then I invite Lt. Governor Dewhurst and Sen. Watson to bring their wives and children to the South Steps of the Capitol where they will be given a standard TSA search. If, after subjecting their spouses and children to this humiliating public display as thousands of other Texans have, they still find it acceptable then we will never speak on this subject again.

The problem is they would not care if their wives or children were molested by the TSA. They would say it was just fine as long as it was in the name of safety.

[FrankRep]

The problem is they would not care if their wives or children were molested by the TSA. They would say it was just fine as long as it was in the name of safety.

Chill out with your comments. You're very insulting.

[QueenB4Liberty]

Chill out with your comments. You're very insulting.

It's true though.

[cindy25]

they should have called their bluff; Obama would have backed down. no way would he shut off air travel in the 2nd largest state.

[jmdrake]

The thing is... no state has ever called their bluff. If the states realize that they are the union, regroup and resist, perhaps Washington will understand what the U.S. actually means.

South Carolina did.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTlmznJTXo

If people would concentrate on the nullification crisis where the states won instead of always focusing on Johnny Reb fantasies where the states lost we'd have our country back by now. Sadly the above video doesn't even have 3,000 views yet. :(

[Anti Federalist]

TSA's for real blog site, responding to this topic.

Let 'em have it.

http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/05/texas-house-of-representatives-seeking.html

[FrankRep]

Action Alert: Texas is Debating to Push the Anti-TSA Groping Bill - Your Input is Needed!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295136-Action-Alert-Texas-is-Debating-to-Push-the-Anti-TSA-Groping-Bill-Your-Input-is-Needed


http://washingtonexaminer.com/files/blog_images/Don%27t%20mess%20with%20Texas.jpg

[Pericles]

they should have called their bluff; Obama would have backed down. no way would he shut off air travel in the 2nd largest state.
AA out of DFW
SW out of DAL
CN out of IAH

Go ahead and shut down the #1, #3, and #4 airline in the country.

[FrankRep]

they should have called their bluff; Obama would have backed down. no way would he shut off air travel in the 2nd largest state.

Action Alert: Texas is Debating to Push the Anti-TSA Groping Bill - Your Input is Needed!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295136-Action-Alert-Texas-is-Debating-to-Push-the-Anti-TSA-Groping-Bill-Your-Input-is-Needed

[Jay Tea]

In 1938, Neville Chamberlain, Prime Minister of Great Britain, returned to England after negotiating a settlement with Hitler and Nazi Germany. After years of Nazi aggression in Europe where country after country fell to the German war machine, Chamberlain, touting the success of his doctrine of appeasement publicly boasted that he had secured "peace for our time."

He had not.

Today Texas faces an aggression more insidious, though less violent, than that faced by Europe in the 1930's and 1940's. This time it flows not from Berlin but from the vicinity of the Potomac River.

This kind of language isn't going to help with anything. States' rights are tremendously important, but calling the TSA "more insidious" than the fucking Nazis, who pretty much set the gold standard for evil, is going to turn away more people than it will win over.

[FrankRep]

This kind of language isn't going to help with anything. States' rights are tremendously important, but calling the TSA "more insidious" than the fucking Nazis, who pretty much set the gold standard for evil, is going to turn away more people than it will win over.

They are talking about the Federal Government, which controls the TSA.

[Jay Tea]

They are talking about the Federal Government, which controls the TSA.

Yes, and I don't think we've quite reached the level of exterminating an entire race of people.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, and I don't think we've quite reached the level of exterminating an entire race of people.

Tell that to the million plus Vietnamese that we killed.

Tell that to the three to four million dead Iranians that were killed in the border war with Iraq that we supported Saddam in.

Tell that to the tens of thousands of dead Central American people killed at the hands of genocidal killers trained right here.

Tell that to the million dead Iraqis.

You are quite right, our regime is much more pure.

We're equal opportunity killers.

[FrankRep]

Yes, and I don't think we've quite reached the level of exterminating an entire race of people.
We've invaded Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and want to invade Iran.

[Jay Tea]

Tell that to the million plus Vietnamese that we killed.

Tell that to the three to four million dead Iranians that were killed in the border war with Iraq that we supported Saddam in.

Tell that to the tens of thousands of dead Central American people killed at the hands of genocidal killers trained right here.

Tell that to the million dead Iraqis.

Erm... I'm pretty sure Nazi Germany was involved in a minor conflict or two.

[jmdrake]

This kind of language isn't going to help with anything. States' rights are tremendously important, but calling the TSA "more insidious" than the fucking Nazis, who pretty much set the gold standard for evil, is going to turn away more people than it will win over.

The Nazis didn't start off that bad. In fact Zionists felt comfortable enough with them to make deals.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Black.html

[FrankRep]

The Nazis didn't start off that bad. In fact Zionists felt comfortable enough with them to make deals.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Black.html

Lets keep this thread about Texas vs. the TSA.

[FrankRep]

Dewhurst: Airport-groping bill to get another chance (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2011/05/25/dewhurst_will_give_airportgrop.html?cxntfid=blogs_ postcards)

Austin Stateman
May 25, 2011


Action Alert: Texas is Debating to Push the Anti-TSA Groping Bill - Your Input is Needed!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295136-Action-Alert-Texas-is-Debating-to-Push-the-Anti-TSA-Groping-Bill-Your-Input-is-Needed

[Anti Federalist]

Erm... I'm pretty sure Nazi Germany was involved in a minor conflict or two.

Certainly.

But when Neville was negotiating his "peace" accord, Poland had yet to be invaded, and there was no talk of "final solutions" at that point.

But the writing was on the wall.

[Jay Tea]

Certainly.

But when Neville was negotiating his "peace" accord, Poland had yet to be invaded, and there was no talk of "final solutions" at that point.

But the writing was on the wall.

Look, all I'm trying to do is isolate the comparison between the federal government's reaction to Texas's challenge of TSA laws and Nazi fucking Germany.

If you honestly believe that it makes all the PR sense in the world to say that the DoJ's letter is "more insidious" than the Holocaust, which is the gold standard of pure evil in modern history, then I doubt I can say anything that will even make you consider the possibility that declaring pat-downs to be worse than baking Jewish people in ovens might not exactly get you the response you want. But please, go ahead and try it, then come back and tell us how it went. I'm sure the report will be glowing.

[FrankRep]

Back on Subject:

Texas vs. TSA

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Comparisons to Nazi Germany is unwarranted. I'd argue that there isn't anything xenophobic/racist to the Governments methods (although supporters would like to see more profiling of Mexicans and Hispanics, etc.) and the more apt comparison would be to Stalinist Russia which just killed anyone and everyone who was against the Party or the State and even killed many of its own supporters.

[FrankRep]

Comparisons to Nazi Germany is unwarranted.

LewRockwell.com:

Towards a National Socialist America
- Lew Rockwell on the Patriot Act
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/political-doctrine-of-statism180.html

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

LewRockwell.com:

Towards a National Socialist America
- Lew Rockwell on the Patriot Act
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/political-doctrine-of-statism180.html

The only Nationalists left in America are Paleocons, besides the fact the Government targets everyone and anyone in their programs. TSA doesn't only target one demographic for instance. Federal Government is much more Stalinist than anything else.

[ghengis86]

Comparisons to Nazi Germany is unwarranted. I'd argue that there isn't anything xenophobic/racist to the Governments methods (although supporters would like to see more profiling of Mexicans and Hispanics, etc.) and the more apt comparison would be to Stalinist Russia which just killed anyone and everyone who was against the Party or the State and even killed many of its own supporters.

+1

(though all out, blatant exterminations are probaly not too far off)

[Bossobass]

Look, all I'm trying to do is isolate the comparison between the federal government's reaction to Texas's challenge of TSA laws and Nazi fucking Germany.

If you honestly believe that it makes all the PR sense in the world to say that the DoJ's letter is "more insidious" than the Holocaust, which is the gold standard of pure evil in modern history, then I doubt I can say anything that will even make you consider the possibility that declaring pat-downs to be worse than baking Jewish people in ovens might not exactly get you the response you want. But please, go ahead and try it, then come back and tell us how it went. I'm sure the report will be glowing.

Stalin killed twice as many of his own people than "Nazi fucking Germany" killed in all of WWII. Communist China dwarfed both of them combined in sheer numbers of murdered citizens, yet you gave them Most Favored Nation status and built and trained their industrial giant while borrowing every red cent it cost to illegally invade sovereign nations from them.

Gold standard? Are you insane or just that ignorant?

These bumbling assholes let millions of unknown illegal aliens walk right across the Texas border, yet they insist on fondling your grandmother's private parts to ensure secure travel?

And, their multi-billion dollar budget (that would have shocked Hitler, Stalin and Mao) comes from your future earnings.

Do you believe that WWII era German-Jews thought that the onset of SS rousting at checkpoints would end up in "baking Jewish people"?

I'm with Anti-Fed all the way. A gas oven beats the fuck out of slavery. Give me Liberty, or give me Death.

Bosso

[Lucille]

These bumbling assholes let millions of unknown illegal aliens walk right across the Texas border, yet they insist on fondling your grandmother's private parts to ensure secure travel?
[...]
I'm with Anti-Fed all the way. A gas oven beats the fuck out of slavery. Give me Liberty, or give me Death.

Bosso

Yeah, leaving the border wide open while simultaneously trampling all over our rights to "keep us safe" has never made much sense to me. I've often mentioned this to the DHS, TSA, unPatriot Act Bushtards, but they just ignore it.

I agree. Better dead than red.

"Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
--General John Stark (1809)

[mello]

The Governor should have said that if the Federal Government grounds all flights in Texas,
then all the taxes that Texas collects for the Federal Government will stay in Texas.

[Krugerrand]

The Governor should have said that if the Federal Government grounds all flights in Texas,
then all the taxes that Texas collects for the Federal Government will stay in Texas.

Some state needs to do this. They need to take over collection of Federal Taxes. Then, when the Federal Government threatens to withhold funding the state can withhold their funding.

Unfortunately, just about all states take in more than they give out because more money is borrowed and printed.

[Lucille]

Denninger:

Texas: Latest Ball-Less State Legislature (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186906)

Time To Boycott TEXAS BASED FIRMS (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186940)

[FrankRep]

Denninger:

Texas: Latest Ball-Less State Legislature (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186906)

Time To Boycott TEXAS BASED FIRMS (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186940)

Why punish the Texas businesses? Bad idea.

[Krugerrand]

Why punish the Texas businesses? Bad idea.

Agreed. The other states didn't even pause to consider stopping the TSA.

[doodle]

I knew it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295166-Playing-with-Fire-How-can-PA-be-removed-while-Obama-increases-military-aid-to-Israel&

[FrankRep]

No doubt!

Washington Times: "Texas Senators Need to Grow a Backbone"
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7634-washington-times-qtexas-senators-need-to-grow-a-backboneq

[jmdrake]

Lets keep this thread about Texas vs. the TSA.

Agreed. Spreading the 10th Amendment Center action item.

[Lucille]

Why punish the Texas businesses? Bad idea.

His reasoning:
So here's your list of firms you can make a difference with. These firms are all headquartered in Texas and as such their corporate offices are part and parcel of feeding the beast that resides in the State House via taxes. No taxes, no money, no legislature.

Choose someone else to do business with and make sure you tell these firms why you're boycotting them - and that you will continue to shop elsewhere until the TSA molestations and rape-scans stop.

[TruckinMike]

I just received an email from the Texas Nationalists Movement. They sent a link to this article (http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php/news/featured/1609-prosecute-john-murphy?) concerning prosecuting John Murphy of the Department of Justice for attempting to influence a public servant And/or for obstruction/ retaliation.

Here is an excerpt from the article --


...I am an avid reader of the Texas statutes. As such, something about this rang a bell for me. I knew that I had read at one time that threatening a public servant was a crime.

It is.

In the Texas Penal Code are two statutes that apply. The first:

Sec. 36.06. OBSTRUCTION OR RETALIATION. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly harms or threatens to harm another by an unlawful act:

(1) in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of another as a:

(A) public servant, witness, prospective witness, or informant; or

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree unless the victim of the offense was harmed or threatened because of the victim's service or status as a juror, in which event the offense is a felony of the second degree.

The second:

Sec. 36.03. COERCION OF PUBLIC SERVANT OR VOTER. (a) A person commits an offense if by means of coercion he:

(1) influences or attempts to influence a public servant in a specific exercise of his official power or a specific performance of his official duty or influences or attempts to influence a public servant to violate the public servant's known legal duty; or

(b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor unless the coercion is a threat to commit a felony, in which event it is a felony of the third degree.

The questions that have to be answered:

Did john Murphy threaten to harm anyone?

Of course he threatened harm. His threat was to close down air travel in Texas. The harms are obviously economic but even more than that. He threatened to deny us the right to freely travel using the method that we feel is most expedient. Yep. He threatened to harm us.

Was it the threat of an unlawful act?

It was definitely unlawful. First, the Department of Justice does not regulate air travel. However, he might have been speaking on behalf of someone else. Regardless, this threat was unlawful under Federal law. Title 42 of the United States code makes it unlawful for a Federal agent or employee to deny a person their civil rights. That includes the right to travel and the right to vote and have a republican form of government. His actions directly impacted my right and the right of all Texans to have a republican form of government. Was the threat unlawful? Check.

Was the threat for the purpose of coercing behavior from the Texas Senate?

You bet. Unfortunately for Texas, it worked. He told them specifically what needed to be done through the ultimatum.

Where do we go from here?

What do y'all think?

TMike:D

[Pericles]

I just received an email from the Texas Nationalists Movement. They sent a link to this article (http://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php/news/featured/1609-prosecute-john-murphy?) concerning prosecuting John Murphy of the Department of Justice for attempting to influence a public servant And/or for obstruction/ retaliation.

Here is an excerpt from the article --



What do y'all think?

TMike:D

About the first thing that bunch got right.