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FrankRep
05-19-2011, 04:04 PM
False Information:
Herman Cain supports a NORTH AMERICAN UNION, has several TIES TO GLOBALISTS
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?291784-supports-a-NORTH-AMERICAN-UNION-has-several-TIES-TO-GLOBALISTS


Correct Information:

Wikipedia: North American Competitiveness Council > NACC Members
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council#NACC_Member s



Whirlpool Corporation (note: Herman Cain was incorrectly noted as being a member of the NACC/SPP in representing the Whirlpool Corporation. Herman Cain serves on the board of directors for Whirlpool[4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council#cite_note-3)]. In order to be eligible to be an executive member of the NACC listed above, you must be a senior executive of the company being represented[5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council#cite_note-4)]. Jeff Fettig has been CEO of Whirlpool since 2004[6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council#cite_note-5)].)


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Edit - Update:



Sarah Bovim (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-bovim/6/b38/202),
Corporate Director Federal Government Relations at Whirlpool Corporation

(Not Herman Cain)


North American Competitiveness Council

August 15, 2006
Washington, DC



Participants

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf


SOURCE: Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/)

swissaustrian
05-19-2011, 04:43 PM
Who changed the wiki-entry?
Must have happened in the last few hours...

FrankRep
05-19-2011, 04:56 PM
Who changed the wiki-entry?
Must have happened in the last few hours...

Not your fault.

Glenn Beck mistakenly put out this false information.

swissaustrian
05-19-2011, 05:01 PM
Not your fault.

Glenn Beck mistakenly put out this false information.
But where does the editor know the "truth" from?

FrankRep
05-19-2011, 05:07 PM
But where does the editor know the "truth" from?

Go to the Source.

Official: Council of the Americas --> North American Competitive Council (NACC)
http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/03%20NACC%20Members.pdf



The 2008 Executive Committee is made up of 14 companies which are charged with representing the sectors in which their business operates, not simply the interests of their individual company. From these 14 companies, 10 will send a senior executive to represent the U.S. Section of the NACC at each trilateral meeting.



Herman Cain is on the Boards of Directors of Whirlpool (http://comcastbusinessevents.com/herman-cain.php), he's not a senior executive.

swissaustrian
05-19-2011, 05:17 PM
The document refers to the 2008 meetings only.
There is also an advisory board that does not have these restrictions.

What also surprises me is that someone obviously invested some time to find arguments that do not support G. Beck´s research.

evilfunnystuff
05-19-2011, 06:33 PM
bump

dannno
05-19-2011, 06:38 PM
The document refers to the 2008 meetings only.
There is also an advisory board that does not have these restrictions.

What also surprises me is that someone obviously invested some time to find arguments that do not support G. Beck´s research.


Ya I wouldn't be surprised if this was contrived information and he was on the SPP and now they have cleaned up his trail. Wonder if they left any crumbs :confused:

FrankRep
05-19-2011, 06:48 PM
Ya I wouldn't be surprised if this was contrived information and he was on the SPP and now they have cleaned up his trail. Wonder if they left any crumbs :confused:

Find me some credible sources before Glenn Beck talked about it in his book.
Glenn Beck screwed up the information and named the wrong Whirlpool guy.

jmdrake
05-19-2011, 09:15 PM
Aw fiddlesticks! Seems like an odd random screwup. I mean how many other people are on the board of directors of Whirlpool for Beck to magically stumble on the one that becomes a serious contender for president? Anyhow, we can't run with this particular angle without more solid info. Thanks Frank.

swissaustrian
05-20-2011, 04:24 AM
Aw fiddlesticks! Seems like an odd random screwup. I mean how many other people are on the board of directors of Whirlpool for Beck to magically stumble on the one that becomes a serious contender for president? Anyhow, we can't run with this particular angle without more solid info. Thanks Frank.
I will post something very interesting on the issue soon.

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 07:32 AM
A director is not a senior executive?
http://people.forbes.com/profile/herman-cain/2151

Top Executives at Whirlpool Corporation

Jeff M. Fettig CEO/Chairman of the Board/Director
Michael A. Todman Director/President, Divisional
Marc R. Bitzer President, Geographical
Bracken Darrell Executive VP/President, Geographical
Jose A. Drummond Executive VP/President, Subsidiary
Roy W. Templin Executive VP/CFO
John D. Liu Director
Herman Cain Director
Larry M. Venturelli CFO, Divisioinal/Chief Accounting Officer/Controller/Senior VP
Paul G. Stern Director

HERMAN CAIN, 65, has served as a director since 1992 (except from December 2003 to April 2005 during a bid for political office)

I am also not convinced that Glenn Beck was mistaken. Has he admitted it? How did all of the other names he mentions in the same sentence make it in there? How did this mistake occur? All specific names are scrubbed from the pdf above. Not the names from Mexico or Canada mind you....only the US names have been scrubbed. And it's not just the pdf linked to above. It's all of the pdfs that came up here: http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/search.php?cx=010812792885439670689%3Amiixzvnhevy&cof=FORID%3A11&q=whirlpool&x=0&y=0&action=search&action=search when I searched for "Whirlpool".

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/hillertexas/Picture2-1.png

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 07:48 AM
Official: Council of the Americas --> North American Competitive Council (NACC)[/B]
http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/03%20NACC%20Members.pdf

[QUOTE]The trilateral NACC is comprised of 30 members with equal representation from
each country, with each country determining its own members and the
membership selection process being at each country’s discretion. Accordingly,
Canada, Mexico, and the United States all employed different methods for
selecting their members. For more information on Canada and Mexico, please
contact the appropriate Secretariat directly.
 Each country’s component is supported by its own Secretariat; the Council of the
Americas and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce jointly serve as the Secretariat of
the U.S. component.
 The U.S. Section of the NACC is composed of an Executive Committee and an
Advisory Committee.
 The 2008 Executive Committee is made up of 14 companies which are charged
with representing the sectors in which their business operates, not simply the
interests of their individual company. From these 14 companies, 10 will send a
senior executive to represent the U.S. Section of the NACC at each trilateral
meeting.
 The 2008 Advisory Committee is comprised of more than 300 companies, sectoral
associations, and local chambers of commerce that have an interest and a stake in
the process and who advise the Secretariat and the Executive Committee on all
issues in an open and participatory process.
 Applications are solicited annually for membership on the U.S. Section Executive
Committee and Advisory Committee of the NACC. Once applications have been
received, the Secretariat organizations together select members at their own
discretion from those that meet the selection criteria, established by each
Secretariat organization.

I don't understand how this is proof that Cain was not at the meeting in 2005 that Glenn Beck refers to (in his book from 2007).

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 07:52 AM
Herman Cain was named in this article (http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=6540) published on Global Research, but the original article requires a subscription to view it on EmbassyMag.ca.

The EmbassyMag.ca article on GR is cited under the NACC Member list on Wiki.


Security and Prosperity Partnership: Meet the Powerful Business Members of the North American Competitiveness Council [2]

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 07:55 AM
Herman Cain was named in this article (http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=6540), but the sourced article requires a subscription to EmbassyMag.ca to view it.

You're right!!


Security and Prosperity Partnership: Meet the Powerful Business Members of the North American Competitiveness Council
Global Research, August 13, 2007

The North American Competitiveness Council, part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, was established by the American, Canadian and Mexican governments at the June 2006 trilateral meeting in Cancun, Mexico. Comprised of 30 senior private sector representatives, 10 from each country (though there are 13 U.S. members), the council is mandated to provide governments with recommendations on issues including border regulation and competitiveness in the automotive, transportation, manufacturing and services sectors. The council is expected to meet annually with security and prosperity ministers and will engage with senior government officials on an ongoing basis. They last met in February 2007 in Ottawa and are expected to meet again in Canada in August. The following is a brief list of the council members.


CANADIAN MEMBERS
Dominic D'Alessandro, Manulife Financial
Italian-born chartered accountant has been Manulife Financial's president since 1994. Mr. D'Alessandro is a vice chairman of the board of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and a director of the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association. He also co-chairs the Toronto Region Immigrant Employment Council.
Paul Desmarais, Jr., Power Corporation of Canada
In 1984, appointed vice-chairman of Power Financial Corporation, a company he helped set up, becoming chairman of the board in 1990 and chairman of the executive committee in May 2005. He was appointed chairman of the board and co-CEO of Power Corporation of Canada in 1996.
David Ganong, Ganong Bros. Ltd.
Director of Ganong Bros. since 1977, director of Canadian Council of Chief Executive Officers, and chairman on the University of New Brunswick's board of governors. He is also director of Sun Life Financial, director of the Conference Board of Canada, chairman of the New Brunswick Business Council.
Richard George, Suncor Energy Inc.
Originally from Colorado, Mr. George spent 10 years with Sun Company in the U.S. and the UK. Appointed Suncor's president and CEO in 1991. Took Canadian citizenship in 1996. Honourary chair of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and a member of the board of directors of the U.S. offshore and onshore drilling company, GlobalSantaFe Corporation.
E. Hunter Harrison, CN
President and CEO of CN since 2003. Former president and CEO of the Illinois Central Corporation and the Illinois Central Railroad Company. Member of Canadian Council of Chief Executives. Authored the book, How We Work and Why in 2005. Born in Tennessee.
Linda Hasenfratz, Linamar Corporation (NACC chairperson)
Ms. Hasenfratz joined Linamar Corporation in 1990 and held many positions, including director, president and chief operating officer. Named CEO in August 2002. Holds an Executive MBA from the Ivey School of Business at the University of Western Ontario. Also sits on the board of directors for CIBC and the Royal Ontario Museum.
Michael Sabia, Bell Canada Enterprises
President and CEO of BCE, and CEO of Bell Canada, Mr. Sabia has held these same positions and others in both companies as well as Bell Canada International Inc. since 1999. He's also board chairman of Bell Aliant Regional Communications, as well as director of the Thomson Corporation. Previously worked with the CN Railway, the federal Department of Finance and the Privy Council Office.
Jim Shepherd, Canfor Corporation
Appointed Canfor Corporation's president and CEO in April 2004, Mr. Shepherd quit his post on March 30. Mr. Shepherd has worked in Ontario and B.C.'s forestry industries for over 25 years, including as Slocan Forest Products's president in 1999. He sits on a number of boards including the Vancouver Board of Trade and the Asia Pacific Trade Council.
Annette Verschuren, The Home Depot
Former president and co-owner of arts and crafts chain Michael's of Canada, Ms. Verschuren joined Home Depot in 1996, and is president of Canadian operations. She sits on the boards of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and Habitat for Humanity, and is chancellor to University College of Cape Breton.
Rick Waugh, Scotiabank
Appointed president and CEO in 2003, Mr. Waugh has been with Scotiabank since 1970, serving in investment, corporate, international and retail banking areas. He also serves on the board of the Institute for International Finance, is a member of the Chairman's Advisory Council for the Council of the Americas, and the IMF's Capital Markets Consultative Group.

MEXICAN MEMBERS
José Luís Barraza Gonzalez, Consejo Coordinador Empresarial
Over 22 years' experience in international commerce, promotion and industrial development. President of the Consejo Coordinador Empresarial (Enterprise Coordinating Council) since 2004, and of the Council of Administration of Companies. Mr. Barraza is also CEO of Grupo Impulso, Realiza & Asociados, Inmobiliaria Realiza and Optima. He previously served as vice-president for the promotion of economic development in the state of Chihuahua.
Gastón Azcárraga Andrade, Consejo Mexicano de Hombres de Negocios
President of Consejo Mexicano de Hombres de Negocios, a group of Mexico's leading industrialists, and CEO of Mexicana de Aviación and Grupo Posadas. In 1989 became CEO of Grupo Posadas, a leading hotel operator in Latin America founded by his father. He is also a member of the board of directors of ING Mexico and Holcim-Apasco and is an advisor to the National Tourism Council.
César de Anda Molina, president and CEO of Avicar de Occidente
Mr. Anda Molina has been involved with Mexico's poultry and farming industry in a variety of capacities, including as president of the National Union of Poultry Producers and vice-president of International Relations of the Farming National Council.
Valentín Díez Morodo, Consejo Mexicano de Comercio Exterior
As well as being president of the Consejo Mexicano de Comercio Exterior (Mexican Business Council for Foreign Trade, Investment and Technology), Mr. Diez is a member of the Mexican Business Council, president of the Mexican Institute for Competitiveness and board president of Iberoamericana University. He sits on a number of boards of directors including Grupo Financiero Banamex, Mexichem and Kimberly Clark de México.
Jaime Yesaki Cavazos, Consejo Nacional Agropecuario
Mr. Yesaki is director of the Consejo Nacional Agropecuario (National Agriculture and Livestock Council), the principal agri-business federation in Mexico. He is also the CEO of several poultry companies.
Claudio X. González, Centro de Estudios Económicos del Sector Privado
In addition to being president of the Centro de Estudios Económicos del Sector Privado (Center of Economic Studies of the Private Sector), Mr. Gonzalez is also a director of Kellogg Company, The Mexico Fund, Inc., Banco Nacional de Mexico, Grupo Televisa and Telefonos de Mexico, among others. He is has also been board chairman and CEO of Kimberly-Clark de Mexico since 1973.
Guillermo Vogel, vice-president of TAMSA (Tubos de Acero de México)
Mr. Vogel joined TAMSA in 1983 and has been vice chairman since 1997. He is also vice chairman of the American Iron and Steel Institute, vice-chairman of the board of Tenaris and chairman of the North American Steel Council. He is also a board director of Amazonia, Instituto Latinoamericano del Fierro y el Acero, Citibank-Banamex and HSBC Bank Mexico.
León Halkin, Confederación de Cámaras Industriales (CONCAMIN)
Mr. Halkin was president of the Confederación de Cámaras Industriales (Mexican Federation of Industrial Chambers) until October 2006. He is also chairman of the board and CEO of four companies in the industrial and real estate markets.
Tomás González Sada, president and CEO of Grupo CYDSA
Took over as chairman, president and CEO of Grupo Cydsa, a textiles manufacturing firm, in 1994. Involved in a sister enterprise, Vitro Corporativo S.A. de C.V. Mr. Gonzalez Sada is also chairman of the Mexican Institute for Competitiveness.
Alfredo Moisés Ceja, president of Finca Montegrande
Asides from being president of the winery Finca Montegrande, Mr. Moises Ceja is president of the council of the Mexican Association of Coffee Exporters and is vice president of international commerce on Mexico's National Agricultural Council.

U.S. MEMBERS

Lou Schorsch, Mittal Steel USA
Named Mittal Steel USA's CEO in 2006 after serving for a year as CEO in 2005. Dr. Schorsch previously serves as CEO of Ispat Inland and has over 26 years of experience in consulting and management in the steel industry, as well as the e-commerce sector. He is the co-author of the book Steel: Upheaval in a Basic Industry.

Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
Promoted to chief executive of New York Life International in 2006. Served as executive vice president and chief financial officer there since 2003. Worked for 25 years with Canada Life, including role as senior vice president of the international and reinsurance Division. Mr. Gilmour is a fellow of the Society of Actuaries.


Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Elected GM's chairman and chief executive officer in 2003. He had been president and CEO since 2000. Began career with GM in 1977 and has worked for the firm in Canada, Brazil and Switzerland. Mr. Wagoner is a member of the boards of trustees of Duke University, the Board of Dean's Advisors of the Harvard Business School, and the Board of Directors of Catalyst. He is chairman of the Society of Automotive Engineers.

William Clay Ford Jr., Ford
Director since 1988, chairman of the board of directors since 2001 and executive chairman since 2006 of the Ford Motor Company. Mr. Ford has held a number of management positions within Ford. He also is vice chairman of the Detroit Lions, Inc. and chairman of the Detroit Economic Club.

Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
Mr. Gilmartin left his role as chairman, president and CEO of pharmaceutical firm Merck in 2005, joining the Harvard Business School's MBA program in 2006, his alma mater. He joined Merck in 1994. He sits on the boards of Microsoft and General Mills Inc. Mr. Gilmartin has been involved in global economic and trade issues that concern the pharmaceutical industry.

David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Born in Ireland, Mr. O'Reilly joined Chevron in 1968 and was elected chairman and CEO in 2000. Mr. O'Reilly is a committee director at the American Petroleum Institute and a director of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He is also a member of the World Economic Forum's International Business Council, the JPMorgan International Council, the American Society of Corporate Executives and the Trilateral Commission.

Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
Mr. Immelt has been the General Electric Company's CEO since 2001, the latest senior position he's held since joining the corporation in 1982. He has been president since 2000. Mr. Immelt also serves as a director of Catalyst, Robin Hood and The Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
President and CEO since January 2000. Joined Wal-Mart in 1979 and rose through the ranks of the company's logistics operations, including as director of transportation. Mr. Scott also serves on the board of directors for Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Former director of Monsanto Company, he joined Lockheed Martin Corporation in the 1990s and held many senior positions until being appointed the firm's chairman, president and chief executive officer in 2005.

Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
President and CEO of Kansas City Southern, a transportation holding company that has railroad investments in the United States, Mexico and Panama, since 2000. He is also board chairman and CEO of Kansas City Southern De Mexico.

Douglas R. Conant, Campbell's Soup
Has been Campbell Soup Company's president, CEO and director since 2001. Over 25 years experience in the food industry, notably with General Mills, Inc., Phillip Morris Companies, Inc. (Kraft), and Nabisco, where he served as president from 1995-2000. Mr. Conant is also a director of Applebee's International, Inc. and a vice-chairman and trustee of The Conference Board.

James M. Kilts, Gillette
Retired as Gillette Company CEO in 2005 after helping merge the firm with Procter & Gamble in 2004. Former president and CEO of Nabisco, Kraft Foods, and Altria. Mr. Kilts is a member of the board of directors of The New York Times, the Metropolitan Life Insurance, MeadWestvaco and serves as a member of Citigroup's International Advisory Board.

Herman Cain, Whirlpool
A director of Whirlpool Corp. since 1992 and is a member of the board of directors. Mr. Cain is also the CEO and president of THE New Voice, Inc., a business and leadership consulting company. Formerly with The Pillsbury Company, the U.S. Navy and Coca-Cola, Mr. Cain also serves on the boards of AGCO, Inc., Aquila, Inc., Reader's Digest and Hallmark Cards, and is a member of the National Commission on Economic Growth and Tax Reform.

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FrankRep
05-20-2011, 08:02 AM
If you can prove that Herman Cain is/was on the NACC, I'd love to see it.


Find the evidence!

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 08:08 AM
If you can prove that Herman Cain is/was on the NACC, I'd love to see it. Find the evidence!

#1 page 281 of Glenn Beck's book

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/hillertexas/Picture2-1.png

#2 the article that Tropicangela posted above corroborates Glenn Beck's statement

So you hold that a representative from Whirlpool was there but it wasn't Herman Cain? What convinces you? <----I can make my text big too! Does that make me right? I'm presenting you with evidence and you sure don't seem to "love seeing it".

swissaustrian
05-20-2011, 08:10 AM
You raise the same questions i´m following right now. Why should Beck and Christina Leadlay just pick H. Cain randomly to name a person out of the whirlpool executives? Does´nt make any sense to me. Why have all names of the us representatives been left out of the official documents, though the canadians and mexicans are named.
I´m expecting some further information via email from some friends close to the matter. I will post it here, as soon as i get it.

By the way: Given the political experience (advisor of republicans, ran for office etc.) of Cain he would have been a qualified representative for whirlpool in such a trilateral council. He seems to be a plausible pick.

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 08:12 AM
#1 page 281 of Glenn Beck's book

I like Glenn Beck, but he's not an authority on the subject.


I need an official source to prove the information.

angelatc
05-20-2011, 08:24 AM
If you can prove that Herman Cain is/was on the NACC, I'd love to see it.


Find the evidence!

Are you supporting Herman Cain now?

angelatc
05-20-2011, 08:53 AM
I like Glenn Beck, but he's not an authority on the subject.


I need an official source to prove the information.

Then I suggest you start filing FOIA requests ASAP, because the bastards won't publish the records otherwise.

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 08:53 AM
How did all of the other names he mentions in the same sentence make it in there? How did this mistake occur? All specific names are scrubbed from the pdf above. Not the names from Mexico or Canada mind you....only the US names have been scrubbed. And it's not just the pdf linked to above. It's all of the pdfs that came up here: http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/search.php?cx=010812792885439670689%3Amiixzvnhevy&cof=FORID%3A11&q=whirlpool&x=0&y=0&action=search&action=search when I searched for "Whirlpool".

You noticed too.

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 09:01 AM
Are you supporting Herman Cain now?

I'm not supporting Herman Cain.

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 11:23 AM
There are citations in Wiki's NACC page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council) with broken links to PDFs that have also been scrubbed from America's Society (http://www.americas-society.org) website which is affiliated with the Council of the Americas. (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org)

Brian4Liberty
05-20-2011, 12:13 PM
I haven't been following this, but it sounds like a cover-up is taking place before your eyes. Better collect evidence fast! Beck (and Drudge) might like this story.

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 12:40 PM
There are citations in Wiki's NACC page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council) with broken links to PDFs that have also been scrubbed from America's Society (http://www.americas-society.org) website which is affiliated with the Council of the Americas. (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org)

Do you have proof they were scrubbed?

I've found other websites with those documents and they didn't display the names for the United States.

BrendenR
05-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Could you use the internet archive to see if the files were ever there?

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.americas-society.org/

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 01:18 PM
http://www.kochsoft.com/tna/NACC2006.jpg


Sarah Bovim (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sarah-bovim/6/b38/202),
Corporate Director Federal Government Relations at Whirlpool Corporation

(Not Herman Cain)


North American Competitiveness Council

August 15, 2006
Washington, DC



Participants

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf


SOURCE: Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/)

swissaustrian
05-20-2011, 01:36 PM
Sarah Bovim - Representative for Whirlpool

(Not Herman Cain)

Very interesting that she is NOT a senior executive.

The point the wikipedia editor claimed (a participant MUST be a senior executive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Business_career ) has been proven wrong thanks to your research.
Reps. to you for that.

PLEASE SOMEONE EDIT THIS IN WIKIPEDIA! I don´t have an account.

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 01:39 PM
ht tp://www.globalexchange.org/spp.html

Write NACC members:

U.S. Representatives:

Lou Schorsch, Mittal
Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
William Clay Ford, Ford
Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
Douglas R. Conant, Campbell's Soup
James M. Kilts, Gillette
Herman Cain, Whirlpool

ht tp://www.canadians.org/DI/documents/NACC_backgrounder.pdf

U.S. Representatives:
�� Lou Schorsch, Mittal
�� Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
�� William Clay Ford, Ford
�� Rick Wagoner, General Motors
�� Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
�� David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
�� Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
�� H. Lee Scott, WalMart
�� Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
�� Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
�� Douglas R. Conant, Campbell’s Soup
�� James M. Kilts, Gillette
�� Herman Cain, Whirlpooll

ht tp://thereginamom.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/the-security-and-prosperity-partnership-agreement-fortress-jellybean/

United States
Lou Schorsch (Mittal Steel USA); CEO, Ispat Inland; Co-author, Steel: Upheaval in a Basic Industry.

Joseph Gilmour (New York Life); Former Senior Vice President, Canada Life; Fellow, Society of Actuaries.

Rick Wagoner (General Motors); Trustee, Duke University; Member, Board of Dean’s Advisors, Harvard Business School; Director, Catalyst; Chairman, Society of Automotive Engineers.

William Clay Ford Jr. (Ford Motor Co.); Vice Chairman, Detroit Lions, Inc.; Chairman, Detroit Economic Club.

Raymond Gilmartin (Merck); Director, Microsoft Corporation; Director, General Mills Inc.

David J. O’Reilly (Chevron); Committee Director, American Petroleum Institute; Director, Peterson Institute for International Economics; Member, World Economic Forum International Business Council; Member, JPMorgan International Council; Member, American Society of Corporate Executives; Member, Trilateral Commission.

Jeffrey R. Immelt (General Electric); Director, Catalyst; Director, Robin Hood; Director, The Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

H. Lee Scott (Wal-Mart); Director, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

Robert Stevens (Lockheed Martin); Former Director, Monsanto Company.

Michael Haverty (Kansas City Southern); Chairman and CEO, Kansas City Southern De Mexico.

Douglas R. Conant (Campbell’s Soup); Previous involvement with General Mills, Inc., Phillip Morris Companies, Inc. (Kraft); Former President, Nabisco; Director, Applebee’s International, Inc.; Vice Chairman and Trustee, The Conference Board.

James M. Kilts (Gillette); Former CEO, Gillette Company; Former President and CEO, Nabisco; Former President and CEO, Kraft Foods; Former President and CEO, Altria; Director, The New York Times; Director, Metropolitan Life Insurance; Director, MeadWestvaco; Member, International Advisory Board, Citigroup.

Herman Cain (Whirlpool); CEO and President, THE New Voice, Inc.; Director, AGCO, Inc.; Director, Aquila, Inc.; Director, Reader’s Digest; Director, Hallmark Cards; Member, National Commission on Economic Growth and Tax Reform.

ht tp://www.alipac.us/article1340.html

The U.S. executives involved in the NACC include: United Parcel Service Inc. Chairman Michael Eskew; Frederick Smith, chairman of FedEx Corp.; Lou Schorsh, chief executive of Mittal Steel USA; Joseph Gilmour, president of New York Life Insurance Co.; William Clay Ford, chairman of Ford Motor Co.; Rick Wagoner, chairman of General Motors Corp.; Raymond Gilmartin, CEO of Merck & Co. Inc.; David O'Reilly, chief executive of Chevron Corp.; Jeffrey Immelt, chairman of General Electric Co.; Lee Scott, president of Wal-Mart Stores Inc.; Robert Stevens, chairman of Lockheed Martin Corp.; Michael Haverty, chairman of Kansas City Southern; Douglas Conant, president of Campbell's Soup Co. and James Kilt, vice-chairman of Gillette Inc.
No Cain or Whirlpool mentioned at all

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 01:43 PM
ht tp://web.archive.org/web/20080508011412/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council


NACC Members

U.S. Representatives:

Lou Schorsch, Mittal
Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
William Clay Ford, Ford
Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
Douglas R. Conant, Campbell’s Soup
James M. Kilts, Gillette
Herman Cain, Whirlpool

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 01:47 PM
August 15, 2006
Washington, DC

Participants

http://web.archive.org/web/20091231125948/http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf


SOURCE: Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/)

Those were meeting participants. How about members?

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 01:48 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20091231125948/http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf
I can't get the above link to work but it may be my computer....can someone check it out? Mine hangs with this message:

Internet Archive's Wayback Machine
Welcome to Wayback.
Loading...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf
as close to the date:
12:59:48 Dec 31, 2009
as is available..



SOURCE: Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/)

Maybe you could help by linking to where specifically in Judicial Watch you found it (instead of the homepage)

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 01:55 PM
I can't get the above link to work but it may be my computer....can someone check it out? Mine hangs with this message:

Maybe you could help by linking to where specifically in Judicial Watch you found it (instead of the homepage)

Here you go.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 01:57 PM
Here you go.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/SPPFOIADocsSecVII.pdf

thank you!

damn! i wish those pictures on page 7 were clearer. Ok....it does have her name on page 10. She would have been with the company for 1 month before the meeting on Aug 15th. She could have participated.

Sarah Bovim
Corporate Director Federal Govt Relations
Whirlpool Corporation
July 2006 – Present (4 years 11 months)

swissaustrian
05-20-2011, 01:59 PM
2007 is still missing. Anything on that year?

angelatc
05-20-2011, 02:21 PM
Go to the Source.

Official: Council of the Americas --> North American Competitive Council (NACC)
http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/03%20NACC%20Members.pdf



The 2008 Executive Committee is made up of 14 companies which are charged with representing the sectors in which their business operates, not simply the interests of their individual company. From these 14 companies, 10 will send a senior executive to represent the U.S. Section of the NACC at each trilateral meeting.



Herman Cain is on the Boards of Directors of Whirlpool (http://comcastbusinessevents.com/herman-cain.php), he's not a senior executive.

OK, now go look at the guy who represented Merck and explain how that's different.

angelatc
05-20-2011, 02:32 PM
Those were meeting participants. How about members?

Yes, that looks to me to be a luncheon or something light - where the corporations get to spend the afternoon at the White House, or in this case - the Chamber of Commerce. Her job is being the liaison between the company and the government. This would have been a good place to make her debut.

That isn't the working group. They met in other places, then presented a report to their Leaders. (The way they capitalize "Leaders" creeps me out when reading through it.)

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 04:14 PM
Regarding the scrubbed Wiki links, one of the broken-link PDF files was moved when the COA changed the name of its website from americas-society.org to coa.counciloftheamericas.org. Using the Net archiver, I was able to locate the title of one PDF doc and find it on the new site.


Wiki North American Competitiveness Council:
According to an account of the meeting from the Council of the Americas, attendees discussed "marrying policy issues with business priorities", and that "one critical factor in the success of the SPP will be the active engagement of the North American business community."

Broken Wiki link source (http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf)

Web archive of broken Wiki link (http://web.archive.org/web/20070927074332/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20Paper.pdf)

New version (same text as broken link) Findings of the Public/Private Sector Dialogue on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/grp_10_15.pdf)


Another PDF link is a document that has different text on the new site from the text in the archived document.


Wiki North American Competitiveness Council:
According to an account of the meeting from the Council of the Americas, attendees discussed "marrying policy issues with business priorities", and that "one critical factor in the success of the SPP will be the active engagement of the North American business community." Private sector supporters of the SPP "need to build a genuine constituency for North American integration if it is to move forward successfully", says the Council of the Americas report. "Leadership from governments that recognizes the importance of business issues to the overall social welfare empowers the private sector to engage substantively and pragmatically on trade and security issues without undue deference to political sensibilities."

Broken Wiki link (http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20Paper.pdf)

Web archive of broken Wiki link (http://web.archive.org/web/20070927074332/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20Paper.pdf)

New Version (different text from broken link) Overview and Background (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/01%20Overview%20and%20Background.pdf)

A third broken link,


Wiki North American Competitiveness Council:
The NACC was officially launched on June 15, 2006 at a joint press conference held by Carlos Gutierrez, Mexican Economy Minister Sergio García de Alba and Canadian Industry Minister Maxime Bernier. According to a Council of the Americas report, the purpose of institutionalizing the North American business community's involvement in the SPP process was, "so that the work will continue through changes in administrations." The NACC will make sure that, "governments look to the private sector to tell them what needs to be done." According to a Canadian press release, the NACC "has a mandate to provide governments with recommendations on broad issues such as border facilitation and regulation, as well as the competitiveness of key sectors including automotive, transportation, manufacturing and services."

Broken Wiki Link (http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20June%2015%20Post%20Ministerial%20Report.pdf )

Web archive of broken Wiki link (http://web.archive.org/web/20070927074408/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20June%2015%20Post%20Ministerial%20Report.pdf )

(I cannot find this document on the COA's new website (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org))
Official Launch of the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC)
Thursday, June 15, 2006
United States Department of Commerce
Washington, D.C.
Post-Ministerial Report


There is this press release (http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/files/editor/image/grp_10_14.pdf) by Dept of Commerce that has some of the text from the archived document above dated June 15, 2006. There is an SPP Recent Accomplishments (Fact Sheet) referenced at the bottom of the Dept of Commerce press release. This is a March 2006 Fact Sheet (http://www.hollings.net/Content/SecurityAndProsperityPartnership-SPPFactSheet.pdf) that someone is hosting. It came from the http://www.spp.gov site that is saying:
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.




PLEASE SOMEONE EDIT THIS IN WIKIPEDIA! I don´t have an account.

What should it say?

tropicangela
05-20-2011, 04:36 PM
There is no archive for these documents Linked at the bottom of this archived page (http://web.archive.org/web/20061005002959/http://www.counciloftheamericas.org/coa/NACC/indexNACC.html):

Click on the following links to
download documents:

* Tri-Lateral Private Sector Meeting
Minutes-August 15, 2006
* Tri-Lateral Private Sector Meeting-
August 15, 2006
* Final Recommendations from the U.S.
Section of the NACC
* NACC Launch Event – June 15, 2006
* NACC Overview
* SPP Priorities
* Compact for Competitiveness
* Louisville, KY SPP Report
* Washington, D.C. SPP Report
* NACC Paper
* Summary of May 26, 2006 Meeting
* U.S. Priorities
* NACC Members

swissaustrian
05-20-2011, 05:24 PM
What should it say?
The information that Cain might be a member of NACC disappeared from his entry.
It was mentioned in the business section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Business_career
He still is mentioned in the entry on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council#NACC_Member s
There it says:

Whirlpool Corporation (note: Herman Cain was incorrectly noted as being a member of the NACC/SPP in representing the Whirlpool Corporation. Herman Cain serves on the board of directors for Whirlpool[4]. In order to be eligible to be an executive member of the NACC listed above, you must be a senior executive of the company being represented[5]. Jeff Fettig has been CEO of Whirlpool since 2004[6].)

This assumption is false:
1.) Fettig is not mentioned in any of the documents we collected.
2.) It is also NOT true that only senior executives respresented companies. Whirpools Sahra Bovim participated in a meeting in 2006. She is a "director" of whirlpool like Cain. Sources for that: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?294047-Herman-Cain-is-NOT-on-the-North-American-Competitive-Council-(NACC)-SPP-NAU&p=3289266&viewfull=1#post3289266

My suggestion for the wiki-entries:
1.) Cain´s entry: Say that several sources (we have collected them here in this thread) link him to the NACC which is a part of the SPP.
2.) NACC entry: Mark the whirpool membership entry as "controversial" (i don´t know the exact term for that, it´s a special feature of wiki). Delete the sentence on Fettig. Add a sentence on Sahra Bovim.

Save your work somewhere in a .doc because a Cain supporter constantly re-edits our work. Maybe we need to do the editing several times.

hillertexas
05-20-2011, 05:33 PM
The wiki page for the NACC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council) was last modified on 19 May 2011 at 18:01.

FrankRep
05-20-2011, 05:45 PM
There is no archive for these documents Linked at the bottom of this archived page (http://web.archive.org/web/20061005002959/http://www.counciloftheamericas.org/coa/NACC/indexNACC.html):

* NACC Members

According to Jerome Corsi's book: "The Late Great USA (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0979045142/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0979045142)," (2007) it only lists the member organizations involved and not "people" members.

Book:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1744215/The-Late-Great-USA


The Council of the Americas, which "include[s] some of the largest blue chip corporations domiciled in the United States, who, collectively, represent the vast bulk of U.S. investment in and trade with the rest of the Americas/'28 provided detail regarding the June 15, 2006, meeting of the NACC. An NACC membership list found on the Council of the Americas' website 29 lists the U.S. members as coming from the following corporations (listed in alphabetic order):

• Campbell Soup Company
• Chevron
• Ford
• FedEx
• General Electric
• General Motors
• Kansas City Southern Industries
• Lockheed Martin Corporation
• Merck
• Mittal Steel USA
• New York Life
• United Parcel Service
• Wal-Mart
• Whirlpool

====

Book cited source:

29. Council of the Americas, "NCAA Membership List," posted on CounciloftheAmericas.org at:
hxxp://www.counciloftheamericas.org/coa/NACC/NACC%20Members%20Updated.pdf

hillertexas
05-21-2011, 08:21 AM
yea....that Corsi book links to the same scrubbed PDF that you did earlier.

hillertexas
05-21-2011, 08:30 AM
ht tp://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6895

North American Competitiveness Council Members
U.S. Representatives:
Lou Schorsch, Mittal
Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
William Clay Ford, Ford
Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
Douglas R. Conant, Campbell’s Soup
James M. Kilts, Gillette
Herman Cain, Whirlpool

From this pdf that doesn't exist anymore: h ttp://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf. It is discussed while it still existed here: ht tp://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=244805&page=4

U.S. Representatives:
Lou Schorsch, Mittal
Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
William Clay Ford, Ford
Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
Douglas R. Conant, Campbell’s Soup
James M. Kilts, Gillette
Herman Cain, Whirlpool

North American Competitiveness Council from Wíkipedia. ©2006 by Wíkipedia

NACC Members
U.S. Representatives:

Lou Schorsch, Mittal
Joseph Gilmour, New York Life
William Clay Ford, Ford
Rick Wagoner, General Motors
Raymond Gilmartin, Merck
David J. O'Reilly, Chevron
Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electric
H. Lee Scott, Wal-Mart
Robert Stevens, Lockheed Martin
Michael Haverty, Kansas City Southern
Douglas R. Conant, Campbell’s Soup
James M. Kilts, Gillette
Herman Cain, Whirlpool


There are plenty more.

FrankRep
05-21-2011, 09:18 AM
From this pdf that doesn't exist anymore: h ttp://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf. It is discussed while it still existed here: ht tp://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=244805&page=4


Here's the PDF.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070927073227/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf


Herman Cain is NOT on the list.

hillertexas
05-21-2011, 09:29 AM
Here's the PDF.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070927073227/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf


Herman Cain is NOT on the list.

i can't get the link to work again....it hangs again on

Welcome to Wayback.
Loading...
http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf
as close to the date:
7:32:27 Sep 27, 2007
as is available...

Who is ON the list?

And why were those people discussing names that weren't there? Maybe they *were* there. And why is it that it is so hard for you to believe that Cain was there? You seem to almost "refuse" to believe it.

hillertexas
05-21-2011, 10:05 AM
Glenn Beck: me@glennbeck.com This is the general contact for reaching Glenn Beck. Please note that Glenn gets hundreds of emails everyday and while he does read them he does not always have the opportunity to answer them all.

Stu: stu@glennbeck.com Stu is the Executive Producer and Head Writer for the Glenn Beck Program.

Christopher Brady: cbrady@glennbeck.com Chris is the webmaster for Glenn Beck and is responsible for the design and updates of Glennbeck.com. Please send him your comments about the website and content updates (including news tips).

I emailed Beck using the 1st email address listed

FrankRep
05-21-2011, 10:24 AM
i can't get the link to work again....it hangs again on
Who is ON the list?

And why were those people discussing names that weren't there? Maybe they *were* there. And why is it that it is so hard for you to believe that Cain was there? You seem to almost "refuse" to believe it.

Just let the Way Back Machine load the file. It said "loading..."

http://web.archive.org/web/20070927073227/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf


This PDF file talks about the ideas they have for a "Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)." One of the ideas is the creation of the "North American competitiveness council."

The file has no useful information about who is on the NACC.

parocks
05-28-2011, 07:43 PM
I emailed Beck using the 1st email address listed

To the people we'd want to persuade, the fact that Glenn Beck said it, is proof enough.

According to Glenn Beck, Herman Cain was a US Representative of NACC, an elite globalist institution.

That sentence, plus the scan of the page from the Glenn Beck book, plus 5 or 10 links to the same list, that does the trick.

FrankRep
05-28-2011, 07:45 PM
To the people we'd want to persuade, the fact that Glenn Beck said it, is proof enough.

According to Glenn Beck, Herman Cain was a US Representative of NACC, an elite globalist institution.

That sentence, plus the scan of the page from the Glenn Beck book, plus 5 or 10 links to the same list, that does the trick.

What if.... Beck is wrong?

I can't anything official saying Herman Cain was at the meeting.

jmdrake
05-28-2011, 09:13 PM
To the people we'd want to persuade, the fact that Glenn Beck said it, is proof enough.

According to Glenn Beck, Herman Cain was a US Representative of NACC, an elite globalist institution.

That sentence, plus the scan of the page from the Glenn Beck book, plus 5 or 10 links to the same list, that does the trick.

That's true. The best thing would be to call into Beck's show and ask him about it and Herman Cain in general IMO. I'm counting on ego not allowing Beck to admit he's wrong...if he actually is wrong. If Beck says "Yes. Herman Cain is a globalist.", then make a youtube and make it go viral. It won't be our credibility on the line. It will be Beck's.

parocks
05-28-2011, 09:21 PM
What if.... Beck is wrong?

I can't anything official saying Herman Cain was at the meeting.

Yes, what if Beck is wrong?

I'm not sure what matters here. We're seeing Cains name appearing on a lot of websites from the time, and we see his name not appear on more recent things. He's
on the lists from the time. Some web pages don't have lists.

So, just According to Glenn Beck then, should be fine. There's no reason to present it as undisputed fact, and there are a lot of webpages from that time that show him on the list.

parocks
05-28-2011, 09:28 PM
Someone posted a scan of the page of the book. Bingo, right there. That's what we have right now, Glenn Beck saying Herman Cain was in this NACC North American Competitiveness Council.

The argument that seems to be working, and this will strengthen it, is that Herman Cain is elite.

Herman Cain is great, he has elite credentials that establishment Republicans who like Romney will appreciate. Tea Party Conservatives who distrust The Fed will not
appreciate that particular elite credential.

Now you can tack on NACC to The Fed, and it's a stronger case. And a scan from Glenn Beck's book to "prove" it.

FrankRep
05-28-2011, 09:59 PM
Someone posted a scan of the page of the book. Bingo, right there. That's what we have right now, Glenn Beck saying Herman Cain was in this NACC North American Competitiveness Council.

The argument that seems to be working, and this will strengthen it, is that Herman Cain is elite.

Herman Cain is great, he has elite credentials that establishment Republicans who like Romney will appreciate. Tea Party Conservatives who distrust The Fed will not
appreciate that particular elite credential.

Now you can tack on NACC to The Fed, and it's a stronger case. And a scan from Glenn Beck's book to "prove" it.

Glenn Beck isn't proof of anything. Show me some official documentation.

jmdrake
05-29-2011, 06:22 AM
Glenn Beck isn't proof of anything. Show me some official documentation.

Glen Beck's book is proof of Glenn Beck's opinion. And Glenn Beck's opinion holds sway with his own followers. It would be good to get him (Beck) to go on record a little more about this though.

parocks
05-29-2011, 01:03 PM
All we'd be saying is According to Glenn Beck, Hermain Cain was a member of NACC. And then show the Glenn Beck book.

And if Cain and Beck want to explain what happened there, that's great.

It appears to be true. But, this isn't courtroom stuff. Much of what is in the newspaper is leftist bs, but I don't question whether the whether forecast is part of some conspiracy, or anything. Glenn Beck said it. Glenn Beck is known and liked by Republicans. I'd almost rather go with "according to Glenn Beck, the sun will rise in the east" than with a more simple "the sun will rise in the east, because the fact that Beck said it made it a piece of information that was so important he needed to put it in his book.

FrankRep
05-29-2011, 01:36 PM
All we'd be saying is According to Glenn Beck, Hermain Cain was a member of NACC. And then show the Glenn Beck book.

It appears to be true.

Where's the official documentation?

FrankRep
09-30-2011, 11:40 AM
bump

wgadget
10-01-2011, 05:13 PM
I dunno about you guys, but I find it interesting that Herman Cain's link to the top North American globalists was scrubbed a day or two before he decided to announce his candidacy. According to Wiki, he announced May 21. Hmmmm.

In January 2011, Cain announced he had formed an exploratory committee for a potential presidential campaign for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, and on May 21, 2011, Cain officially announced his candidacy.[4] In September 2011, Cain won a surprise victory in a Republican presidential straw poll in Florida, beating rival Rick Perry who was leading in the polls.[5]

And yes, what could be so wrong about saying Glenn Beck said he was a member? This is perfect because then Glenn Beck will have to refute it. And guess what kind of people listen to Glenn Beck? Herman Cain teocons.

LOL

wgadget
10-01-2011, 05:54 PM
The wiki page for the NACC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Competitiveness_Council) was last modified on 19 May 2011 at 18:01.

LOL..."Last modified on 19 May 2011 at 18:01."

A little last-minute clean-up.

RDM
10-01-2011, 06:11 PM
LOL..."Last modified on 19 May 2011 at 18:01."

A little last-minute clean-up.

Wikipedia has proven not to be a reliable source for info. Even some colleges do not regard it reliable.

While plenty of professors have complained about the lack of accuracy or completeness of entries, and some have discouraged or tried to bar students from using it, the history department at Middlebury College is trying to take a stronger, collective stand. It voted this month to bar students from citing the Web site as a source in papers or other academic work. All faculty members will be telling students about the policy and explaining why material on Wikipedia -- while convenient -- may not be trustworthy.

Wikipedia officials agree -- in part -- with Middlebury's history department. "That's a sensible policy," Sandra Ordonez, a spokeswoman, said in an e-mail interview. "Wikipedia is the ideal place to start your research and get a global picture of a topic, however, it is not an authoritative source. In fact, we recommend that students check the facts they find in Wikipedia against other sources. Additionally, it is generally good research practice to cite an original source when writing a paper, or completing an exam. It's usually not advisable, particularly at the university level, to cite an encyclopedia."

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/26/wiki

wgadget
10-01-2011, 06:38 PM
Well, c'mon...Ya gotta hand it to SOMEONE on the Cain Train for cleaning it up a day before he announced, whether it's legit or not. Right?

InTradePro
10-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Just let the Way Back Machine load the file. It said "loading..."

http://web.archive.org/web/20070927073227/http://www.americas-society.org/coa/NACC/NACC3.pdf


This PDF file talks about the ideas they have for a "Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)." One of the ideas is the creation of the "North American competitiveness council."

The file has no useful information about who is on the NACC.

Have you seen this? www.canadians.org/DI/documents/NACC_backgrounder.pdf

wgadget
10-01-2011, 06:42 PM
Have you seen this? www.canadians.org/DI/documents/NACC_backgrounder.pdf

Wow, that last page is killer. Didn't see that before. There's Herman's name again at the bottom.

LBennett76
10-01-2011, 06:47 PM
If it's in Glenn Beck's book... if Glenn Beck said it, I figure we'll find out soon enough because if Mr. Cain was NOT a part of the group, he could sue Beck for libel. So I say, put it out there? See how Cain reacts. A presidential candidate can not just sit back and allow this to smear him. If it's not true he will fight it, attack Beck, whatever. If he doesn't go after Beck or he dismisses it, it's true. Then we can use it and it'll destroy any chance he may have had.

wgadget
10-01-2011, 07:03 PM
If it's in Glenn Beck's book... if Glenn Beck said it, I figure we'll find out soon enough because if Mr. Cain was NOT a part of the group, he could sue Beck for libel. So I say, put it out there? See how Cain reacts. A presidential candidate can not just sit back and allow this to smear him. If it's not true he will fight it, attack Beck, whatever. If he doesn't go after Beck or he dismisses it, it's true. Then we can use it and it'll destroy any chance he may have had.

My thoughts exactly. Put the blame where it belongs. Politics is so much fun.

John F Kennedy III
10-01-2011, 07:44 PM
Cain is guilty.

Dr.3D
10-01-2011, 08:25 PM
Wow, that last page is killer. Didn't see that before. There's Herman's name again at the bottom.

And that paper is from February 2007. I guess that is a little before Beck said anything. Am I correct?

Edit:
Somebody should probably get a copy of that before it's gone too.

kill the banks
10-01-2011, 08:35 PM
canadianactionparty.ca used to have a ton of info ... i see it is not the same now but possibly you might do a wayback look there

wgadget
10-13-2011, 11:53 AM
Does anyone have the Glenn Beck quote from his book INCONVENIENT TRUTH, page 281?

I need to show it to my father-in-law.

Thanks.

hillertexas
10-29-2011, 09:30 AM
Does anyone have the Glenn Beck quote from his book INCONVENIENT TRUTH, page 281?

I need to show it to my father-in-law.

Thanks.

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a458/hillertexas/Picture2-1.png

wgadget
10-29-2011, 09:54 AM
Thanks, hillertexas.

I don't know why FrankRep wants to believe Herman Cain was not a part of this.