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Agorism
05-18-2011, 10:10 PM
Exultant Gates, Mullen Declare Pakistan ‘Humiliated’ in Raid
US Ability to Attack 'With Impunity' Humbled Pakistani Military, Officials Declare
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Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen held a news conference today related to Pakistan. Though the order of the day was primarily making accusations about the Pakistani government (which Gates conceded were “pure supposition on our part”), the issue inevitably turned to the two top US defense officials triumphantly cheering the bin Laden raid and mocking Pakistan’s inability to do anything about it.
“If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I’ve already paid a price. I’ve been humiliated. I’ve been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity,” Gates declared when asked about the prospect of punishing Pakistan for the discovery of bin Laden.
Mullen later elaborated on this point, telling reporters that the US raid was a “humbling experience” for Pakistan’s normally proud military and that “their image has been tarnished” by the US raid.
The declarations about the ability of the US to attack Pakistani soil “with impunity” will likely be regarded particularly gravely within Pakistan, coming as they do just one day after US helicopters launched another cross-border raid and attacked a Pakistani military site, wounding two Pakistani soldiers.
Tensions between the US and Pakistan have soared in the wake of the bin Laden raid, not so much because of its unilateral nature but because White House officials have insisted it sets a precedent for other cross-border US raids. The comments, as well as the US attacks since the raid, have many Pakistani officials voicing public concerns that the US believes, as Gates and Mullen apparently do, that they can attack Pakistani territory whenever they please and will face no ramifications beyond the occasional “formal complaint” from the virtually powerless civilian government.
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/05/18/exultant-gates-mullen-declare-pakistan-humiliated-in-raid
specsaregood
05-18-2011, 10:15 PM
humiliating a nuclear nations military, sure what could go wrong?
Anti Federalist
05-18-2011, 10:34 PM
humiliating a nuclear nations military, sure what could go wrong?
'Merica!
James Madison
05-18-2011, 11:53 PM
humiliating a thermonuclear nations military, sure what could go wrong?
Even worse.
specsaregood
05-19-2011, 10:54 AM
Even worse.
true dat....
Kotin
05-19-2011, 10:59 AM
Fucking idiots.. If someone did this to America with the same exact circumstances our officials would be going completely crazy in their calls for retribution.. Sometimes it's too much.. Are the people of this country that far gone??? Fuck.
specsaregood
05-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Fucking idiots.. If someone did this to America with the same exact circumstances our officials would be going completely crazy in their calls for retribution.. Sometimes it's too much.. Are the people of this country that far gone??? Fuck.
All it would take is one rogue general or similar to get his hands on one of those nukes or nuclear material. enter: dirty bomb in Us territory, hell, what would it take to get a nuke near enough to one of our aircraft carriers to take it out?
Playing with fire gets you burnt. I hope Dr. Paul is wrong, as does he. But with our government publically bragging about humiliating the pakistani military....well it seems like they want to provoke a fight.
doodle
05-19-2011, 11:26 AM
“If I were in Pakistani shoes, I would say I’ve already paid a price. I’ve been humiliated. I’ve been shown that the Americans can come in here and do this with impunity,” Gates declared when asked about the prospect of punishing Pakistan for the discovery of bin Laden.
Is this on video tape and accurate reporting?
If so, Gates is much dumber than he looks.
specsaregood
05-19-2011, 11:33 AM
Is this on video tape and accurate reporting?
If so, Gates is much dumber than he looks.
Yup, video is right here as he tells it to a group of reporters.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/18/pakistan.bin.laden/
Kelly.
05-19-2011, 12:13 PM
taunting pakistan?
belian78
05-19-2011, 12:28 PM
Ignorant arrogant fucks.
pcosmar
05-19-2011, 12:33 PM
Ignorant arrogant fucks.
Yup, This is going to get a lot of American troops killed.
And If I was a Pakistani, I would be baiting the trap.
specsaregood
05-19-2011, 12:36 PM
Yup, This is going to get a lot of American troops killed.
And If I was a Pakistani, I would be baiting the trap.
Yeah, unfortunately it appears that Dr. Paul is getting laughed at for being predicting the future....again.
YumYum
05-19-2011, 12:36 PM
If Ron Paul's prediction comes true, he will be our next president. Its almost like he is a prophet.
Brian4Liberty
05-19-2011, 12:37 PM
enter: dirty bomb in Us territory,
No worries. We have been desensitized to this by the continuous dirty bomb that has been going off in Japan for months.
You can almost hear the Media:
"the recent dirty bomb should cause no alarm, as it is not as bad as Chernobyl or Fukushima. It's only a 2 on the nuclear accident scale..."
specsaregood
05-19-2011, 12:38 PM
If Ron Paul's prediction comes true, he will be our next president. Its almost like he is a prophet.
Of course his prediction could come true after the primaries. Like his economic predictions.
Brian4Liberty
05-19-2011, 12:38 PM
Ignorant arrogant fucks.
Indeed.
Ignorant arrogant fucks.
post of the day
summed up my feelings perfectly
jmdrake
05-19-2011, 12:54 PM
Gates could be looking for a face saving way out of the U.S./Pakistan impasse. If Pakistan is already "humiliated enough" then we don't need to cut off aid. If we don't cut off aid then Pakistan has an incentive not to cut off NATO supply lines to Afghanistan. Remember Ronald Reagan saying about Iran that he "Did not have to honor any dealings with those barbarians" even though he had cut a deal with Iran even before being elected president and later dealt with them swapping arms for hostages?
wizardwatson
05-19-2011, 01:02 PM
All it would take is one rogue general or similar to get his hands on one of those nukes or nuclear material. enter: dirty bomb in Us territory, hell, what would it take to get a nuke near enough to one of our aircraft carriers to take it out?
Playing with fire gets you burnt. I hope Dr. Paul is wrong, as does he. But with our government publically bragging about humiliating the pakistani military....well it seems like they want to provoke a fight.
This whole scenario reminds me of the plot of the movie Watchmen.
BucksforPaul
05-19-2011, 02:47 PM
All it would take is one rogue general or similar to get his hands on one of those nukes or nuclear material. enter: dirty bomb in Us territory, hell, what would it take to get a nuke near enough to one of our aircraft carriers to take it out?
Playing with fire gets you burnt. I hope Dr. Paul is wrong, as does he. But with our government publically bragging about humiliating the pakistani military....well it seems like they want to provoke a fight.
No need for a rogue Pakistani General to do this since our own government has already been caught red handed in exporting uranium out of Pakistan via Raymond Davis to do the next false flag.
And according to this guy egg is on Obama's administration's face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0vo-L3VACs&feature=player_embedded
Anchor: Welcome back, Mohammad Bashir is a resident of Abboottabad’s Bilal Town. Muhammad Bashir might seem an ordinary guy but he is no ordinary guy. Muhammad Bashir lives in front of Osama Ben Laden’s house in Bilal Town Abbottabad. On 2nd of May, Muhammad Bashir was present on his rooftop from where he saw the whole American operation against Osama Ben Laden with his own eyes. Yesterday when our team was present In Bilal Town, Abbottabad, near Osama Ben Laden’s hose, Muhammad Bashir came to us and said, “Sister, I need to tell you something, something that is a burden on my heart and soul”, just listen to what he said.
Bashir: I am going to share something about the Abbottabad operation which till this day nobody else has told you.
Anchor: But Muhammad Bashir was a little afraid too, while talking to me he telephoned hia reletive, Vice President of Jummat-e-Islami, Abdur Razzaq Abasi, watch it
Reporter: Tell me your name and tell me whare do you live
Bashir: Let me first, Let me talk to him one minute, i will give you full interview, full or half?
Reporter: Full Full
Bashir: Let me first talk to him
Reporter: To whom? To Abbasi?
Bashir: yes, to Abbasi
Anchor: Muhammad Bashir told us something that no one said before. So we checked his identity card, we also confirmed that he really lives there, we asked from the senior fellows about him. We were very astonished by his story just see and listen what he said.
Bashir: We were awake, not asleep, a helicopter came, some men came down from that, into that house, then that helicopter went away
Reporter: How many men?
Bashir: 10-12, then that helicopter took rounds of those rear hills, then he came bac…k and when he came bach, two more helicopters arrived, one from the west and other from the north, there was a blast in the first helicopter and it was on fire, we immediately came out, when we reached there, the helicopter was burning, then after about 20 minutes the army and police arrived, they pushed us back, now we are asking that if oama was here then who took him to america because all those men that came in the helicopter died in the blast, now if Osama was in that helicopter he must have died and got burnt in that helicopter too, then how they took him? this is a question of serious concern. America claims they they killed him and picked him up. How they picked him up? This is what we are thinking
Reporter: Was there only one helicopter?
Bashir? Yes the other that came flew away to Mansehra, there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them but as he was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire.
Reporter: Then were in it when it blew?
Bashir: Yes They were.
Reporter : How you know?
Bashir: We saw it with our own eyes
Reporter: You saw dead man?
Bashir: Yes, dead men,
Reporter: How many?
Bashir: I couldnt count them because then the compound was on fire. The gate was open, we went in, the army and police hadnt arrived then, there were some people but they werent stopping them. The whole neighborhood has seen that but they are silent now.
Bashir: We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing
Reporter: How many dead bodies you saw?
Bashir: We couldn’t count them because they were blown into pieces.
The reporter asked Bashir to narrate the story again.
Bashir said we could see the faces of those men but they were speaking pashto. I dont know whether they were Pakistani or American army or people of agencies, as you know that agency people can speak many languages.
May be they were speaking Pashto so that we consider them Pakistani.
They knocked and banged at our doors and told us not to come out.
I laid down on my rooftop and was watching them.
My kids were calling me, I told them to go to their rooms and let me check whats going on.
The reporter asks Bashir, that when he saw that the helicopter was American what was he thinking then?
Bashir said that he got afraid. He didn’t had in his mind that they will attack that house. He thought that they might have come to attack the Pakistan Army.
The reporter asked so when was your cousin Shamraiz taken away?
Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. Shamrez also came out and the gate of the compound was open, we went in, every thing was lying scattered, as it is a huge compound, some body parts were lying here, some there, legs, arms, heads, broken and torn body parts, during that time some part of the helicopter inside, may be the engine or other fuel related part had an explosion so we rushed out. During that time Shamrez was taken away, he is in his home now, but no one is allowed to meet him and i couldn’t get a chance to talk to him later.
Then the anchor says that they had vegetations inside the compound and Shamrez was their gardener. We know that two men Arshad and Tariq used to live there. They had good relations with the neighbours, they used to buy things from the local store. Sometimes imported dates and used to send many things to their neighbours.
Then the reporter is at Abdullah Ben Zubair Mosque, which is the nearest to compound of Osama.
She asks a guy: do you think people would have been glad and happy if they would have ever met osama?
The guy : Yes, possibly. Because he was a muslim and he believed in God.
This is the whole story! Every aspect and point translated.
The gentleman being interviewed lives across from the compound. His cousin Sahab Jamrez Khan used to grow vegetables in the compound. He was taken away in all the hullabaloo on tape @10.29 Bashir says he did not see when they wisked his cousin away.
Interviewer asks “Have you spoken to your cousin?”
Bashir “No, I have not seen him yet he in in the house. “They will not let him get out” “They will not let me get in.”
2 other men Arshad Sahib and Tariq Sahib used to go to market to shop for that compound and bought international brand items. Dates, dried meat found in compound. Also food used to come from compound to Bashir’s house Kabulu Pilau and things like that used to be presented to Bashir. They will follow up with more information. In the end the lady is standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair mosque. The mosque was with in walking distance of the compound. She asks people if Osama did attend this mosque people would have be happy? The one answered maybe. The other said Osama did “not” live here but he was muslim and believed in God. Interview ends.
Another thing to note is that Bashir mentioned that we are very “sharif” meaning law abiding honest people. His town was a peaceful place no excitement no murders, fights, and he is unhappy how they have made his town so frightful with all this news. One thing is very clear in this video. Two helicopters hovered never landed. One landed dropped Pashto speaking poeple on the roof 10-12 of them Helicopter left fo 20 minutes returned to load people in and small blast engine failure fire helicopter parts all over. Body parts arms, legs, head, all over. Pakistani Army/Police came in dispersed crowd. The whole scene is cleaned up totally now. No evidence left to examine.
ExPatPaki
05-19-2011, 02:56 PM
BucksforPaul,
Do you know Urdu?
BucksforPaul
05-19-2011, 03:01 PM
BucksforPaul,
Do you know Urdu?
yes but I did not translate that. The translation is pretty accurate.
ExPatPaki
05-19-2011, 03:05 PM
yes but I did not translate that. The translation is pretty accurate.
Cool man. How did you get into Urdu? I unfortunately can only read it at a 6th grade level, and I need to brush up on it. I can speak it fluently without any problem. My father actually tutors and tests State Department people, contractors, etc in Urdu and translates Urdu for a contracting company as well.
Oh and Ron Paul Zindabaad!
BucksforPaul
05-19-2011, 03:15 PM
I was born in Pakistan but I left in fourth grade. I am proficient at speaking, understanding, and reading the language, but my writing is rusty. What do you think about the video and the picture of Hitlarry (allergies-yeah right) could easily correspond to when the heli blew up?
ExPatPaki
05-19-2011, 03:26 PM
I was born in Pakistan but I left in fourth grade.
Cool, I wasn't born there, born in Malaysia cos the family was there due to my dad's business. Only lived in Pakistan for 2 years of my life, then it was on to Lebanon and then finally the USA. Urdu bohot achee zuban hai. I love it, especially the poetry, ghazals, qawalis.
What do you think about the video and the picture of Hitlarry (allergies-yeah right) could easily correspond to when the heli blew up?
Hmm, that makes sense. Or either she realized it wasn't OBL and just some old guy that they killed.
pcosmar
05-19-2011, 03:31 PM
Hmm, that makes sense. Or either she realized it wasn't OBL and just some old guy that they killed.
And Paki military and police on the scene and involved in the cover-up does not mesh well with the Official Story.
BucksforPaul
05-19-2011, 03:33 PM
Urdu bohot achee zuban hai. I love it, especially the poetry, ghazals, qawalis.
Hmm, that makes sense. Or either she realized it wasn't OBL and just some old guy that they killed.
Yes I have a hard time understanding the ghazzals of Mirza Ghalib or the poetry and writing of Illama Iqbal which is a shame because he condemned all of these "isms" prior to WWI.
I saw another video where a local from Abottabad said that the video of so called Osama where he is watching himself on TV while holding the clicker in his right hand is of a person named Akbar Khan and not Tim Osman.
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