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TheBlackPeterSchiff
05-18-2011, 03:19 PM
This question was posed to me on facebook:



Do you know of any prominent libertarians that supported the Civil Rights Movement? Where was the Libertarians when violent mobs were infringing on people's individual liberty and property?

So, do you guys have any links or vids of prominent libertarians or Goldwater type Republicans supporting the civil rights movement?

McBell
05-18-2011, 03:24 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard77.html

Twenty years ago I was an extreme right-wing Republican, a young and lone "Neanderthal" (as the liberals used to call us) who believed, as one friend pungently put it, that "Senator Taft had sold out to the socialists." Today, I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist, since I favor immediate withdrawal from Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate Black Power and have just joined the new Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic political views have not changed by a single iota in these two decades!

McBell
05-18-2011, 03:26 PM
Also, there was no such thing as a Libertarian during most of the civil rights movement. There were libertarians, but not Libertarians. (Sorry. I'm just kind of pedantic about that.)

TheNcredibleEgg
05-18-2011, 03:30 PM
I imagine it will be difficult to find quotes from libertarians from the 60s. There was no internet then to get their views out.

Think about today if there was no internet. How many libertarian voices would you actually hear on the main stream media?

Lucille
05-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Goldwater (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater30.htm) was desegregating before desegregation was cool.


He ended racial segregation in his family department stores, and he was instrumental in ending it in Phoenix schools and restaurants and in the Arizona National Guard.

jmdrake
05-18-2011, 03:44 PM
Goldwater (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldwater30.htm) was desegregating before desegregation was cool.

Also in an interview Goldwater said that the 1964 CRA was the first civil rights bill that he voted against, and he only objected to 2 out of the 10 titles of that bill and he did so based on constitutional grounds. If people would take the time to understand what Rand was saying when he talked about part of the CRA needing to be reworded (instead of the whole thing needing to be scrapped) and why (*cough* interstate commerce clause you knuckleheads *cough*) we could win this thing.

crhoades
05-18-2011, 03:48 PM
Civil rights movement yes. Civil rights act no

FrankRep
05-18-2011, 03:49 PM
TSo, do you guys have any links or vids of prominent libertarians or Goldwater type Republicans supporting the civil rights movement?

I support "Civil Rights"

However, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is UnConstitutional.

MaxPower
05-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Goldwater consistently voted in favor of pro-civil-rights legislation for most of his career. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the only notable exception, yet it is the only civil rights vote he's remembered for, thanks to media spin.

Danke
05-18-2011, 03:52 PM
Civil Rights. Rights granted by government.

TheNcredibleEgg
05-18-2011, 03:54 PM
Murray Rothbard


For example, he voiced support for the civil rights movement[1] as well as opposition to the Vietnam War and the draft.

[1]Black Power, actually; he praised the revolutionary stance of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, and the Black Panther Party while critical of Martin Luther King as "the major restraining force on the developing Negro revolution"



Not sure if that helps or not. All I could find.

aGameOfThrones
05-18-2011, 03:57 PM
Civil Rights. Rights granted by government.

Yes. It should rightfully be called, the Civil Privileges Act.

Example: "A 'civil right' is considered a right given and protected by law, and a person's enjoyment thereof is regulated entirely by the law that creates it." 82 CA 369, 373, 255, P 760.

Johncjackson
05-18-2011, 07:15 PM
Civil Rights. Rights granted by government.

Partially, but I don't get the overall point. Is any legislation that restrains the power of a government to deny rights, an example of "granting" rights? Or is it merely protecting innate rights from government oppression? When government outlaws freedom of association and mandates racial discrimination in private business, is that OK?

BarryDonegan
05-18-2011, 07:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

There's always the good old Deacons for Defense and Justice. When racist governments wouldn't protect the property rights of African Americans, this militia did.

low preference guy
05-18-2011, 07:24 PM
Also in an interview Goldwater said that the 1964 CRA was the first civil rights bill that he voted against, and he only objected to 2 out of the 10 titles of that bill and he did so based on constitutional grounds. If people would take the time to understand what Rand was saying when he talked about part of the CRA needing to be reworded (instead of the whole thing needing to be scrapped) and why (*cough* interstate commerce clause you knuckleheads *cough*) we could win this thing.

knuckleheads? can you talk without throwing gratuitous insults?

TheBlackPeterSchiff
05-18-2011, 07:59 PM
Thanks guys, good stuff as always.