60 minutes hit piece on soverign citizens as terrorists

[Agorism]

60 minutes hit piece on soverign citizens as terrorists

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366128n&tag=related;photovideo

Of course, I don't feel too badly for the people they had in the video.

[lester1/2jr]

They are terrorists.

[Agorism]

They are terrorists.


Criminals at most. Terrorist is a code word for the government disregarding the constitution and civil rights. It's a made up term.

[A Son of Liberty]

lol What a freaking joke.

Eye home-schoolers, opponents of taxation and other forms of liberty-mindedness with deep suspicion, citizen. They're all like these people... cop ("hero") killers.

When you talk about some of these issues with, for instance, your family, who has watched this garbage hit-piece, they'll begin to "worry" about you... and guess where that goes...

We ALL are sovereign... not sovereign "citizens", but naturally free human beings, created by God and under no other jurisdiction than His.

[Anti Federalist]

They are terrorists.

???

[A Son of Liberty]

Comment @ link:


"Some have become violent"
How? By DEFENDING THEMSELVES from men in blue costumes who are trying to KIDNAP them?

Don't get me wrong. I don't advocate the use of violence, but most of "them" are not "violent" - they do not INITIATE violence against anyone.

Governments use men in blue costumes to harass and threaten the rest of us. They steal close to 1/2 of the wealth of the nation (under the guise of protecting our property rights, ironically), with the benefactors being a small group of corporations, and they DO IT ALL under the threat of VIOLENCE.

For the love of sanity, people, THE GOVERNMENT IS THE MOST VIOLENT INSTITUTION IN SOCIETY. The US Federal Government has killed close to 1 MILLION PEOPLE in the ILLEGAL wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we are all FORCED (aka "threatened with violence) to PAY for it all, and if we refuse?

MEN WITH GUNS (in blue costumes) come to KIDNAP us and THROW US IN A CAGE that is famous - FAMOUS for being a place where you will be BEATEN and RAPED!!!

Oh, but the people who might possibly DEFEND themselves against this VIOLENT AGGRESSION are a huge threat and are "becoming violent".

This is INSANE, and it takes a LOT OF INDOCTRINATION not to see what is CLEARLY in front of your face. People don't think there is anything wrong with looking to the giant gun that is being pointed at them for comfort.

What is going on with government institutions right now is similar to what happened to religions during the enlightenment. It's no surprise that people are READING the giant mess of laws and regulations and finding out that, much like the holy scriptures, there's a lot of contradiction and outright fallacy in the labyrinth that is the laws of this country.

We just need a Martin Luther in every town center in the country to stick a notice on the wall of the city hall.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366128n&tag=related;photovideo#ixzz1MeB96r2k

I'm not sure where he's going with the religion part, but overall the comment is heartening.

[A Son of Liberty]

Still listening: There is no threat of violence by acknowledging that the 2nd Amendment specifically was an ARMED check against the ever-encroaching state.

If it is a threat of violence to acknowledge that, then the founders of this country were violent "terrorists'.

This piece is a farce...

[Lucille]

Am I About To Be Labeled a “Domestic Terrorist”? (http://adask.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/am-i-about-to-be-a-domestic-terrorist/)


In March, I’d spent my 2-hour interview with 60 Minutes trying to rationally explain that the concept of individual sovereignty was the fundamental principle that animated the American Revolution, was the cornerstone for American liberty, and could be traced to our God-given, unalienable Rights. In the end, sovereignty is a spiritual (rather than political) concept. Judging from the 60 Minutes description (above), the segment may be more akin to a sensationalized witch-hunt than an objective investigation into the subject of individual “sovereignty”.

[Lucille]

Also here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?293413-CBS-Hit-Piece-on-quot-Sovereign-Citizens-quot

[Agorism]

The terror war ruse


The catch-all phrase, “War on Terrorism,” in all honesty, has no more meaning than if one wants to wage a war against criminal gangsterism. It’s deliberately vague and non-definable to justify and permit perpetual war anywhere, and under any circumstances.

-Ron Paul


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM

[t0rnado]

The only real terrorists are employees of the United States government. Sovereign Citizens are patriots and freedom fighters.

[Lucille]

AOL front page, links to PuffHo:

Sovereign Citizens' Deplore Authority
The FBI considers this lawless group one of the most violent and dangerous threats. And they're entirely homegrown.
Alarming new form of terror they use

Puff: Sovereign Citizens, Anti-Government Group Files Liens, Some Embrace Violence (VIDEO)


The FBI considers them one of the nation’s top domestic terror threats. Their members include cop killers and a convicted Oklahoma City bomber. They call themselves “sovereign citizens,” and have taken various measures to fight the U.S. government. But now, the government is fighting back.
[...]
Some actions are now being taken against sovereign citizens [...]

The act of filing liens against government officials as retribution has been dubbed “paper terrorism,”...

hxxp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/sovereign-citizens-anti-government-liens_n_863749.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk3|64178

[Lucille]

Adask was on Alex Jones on the May 17th:

Alfred Adask "The Big Legal Secret, The Government Thinks We Are Animals" 1/3

http://youtu.be/WiUTugBVXKM
Alfred Adask "The Big Legal Secret, The Government Thinks We Are Animals" 2/3

http://youtu.be/b1pSvEUAneE
Alfred Adask "The Big Legal Secret, The Government Thinks We Are Animals" 3/3

http://youtu.be/s-n0MSABmOc

ETA:

Adask (http://adask.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/am-i-about-to-be-a-domestic-terrorist/#more-6682):


Yeah, it is funny. Yesterday I was on Alex Jones. Today, Fox News. Tomorrow, another big national radio show whose name escapes me. For the past 3 days, my blog is averaging about 8,000 hits a day (it usually averages 700). 60 Minutes attempt to discredit me has actually helped me enormously. And it’s not over. I have a hunch that before this is over (and it might be 2 or 3 years to the end), 60 Minutes just might decide to fire Byron Pitts for 1) failure to adequately “demonize” me; and 2) promoting (rather than discrediting) what he calls the “sovereignty movement”.
Incidentally, I appear to be getting about 30% more hits off the Alex Jones radio show, than off 60 Minutes. That shouldn’t be too surprising since Alex Jones caters to “my kinda people”. But 60 Minutes is supposed to attract 12 to 18 million viewers per program, so I might’ve expected 60 Minutes to generate a larger response than Alex Jones. But, in fact, one hour with Alex Jones has produced the better response than 12 minutes with 60 Minutes.

[Agorism]

First they came for the Sovereign citizens, then the Paul supporters, and then they came for you.

heh

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

I am amazed the phrase "Sovereign Citizen" persists. There is no such thing. Citizens and civil rights are 100% created by government with a history that goes back to Rome. I don't know anyone opposed to unwarranted government jurisdiction who uses the phrase. The very phrase is an inconsistency. As soon as I seen the thread title I lol'd.

[lester1/2jr]

agorism- whatever. shooting a cop for pulling you over? The whole concept for this apparent movement is just bad.

It's like being "I'm against abortion, so I'm not going to go to work and I'm going to have a hunger strike". I don't like the govenrment either, you can't just pretend it's not there.

[Agorism]

I said he was a criminal.

I don't buy that he was a "terrorist" though. Once again stuff like this is at most a criminal justice issue. If they aren't doing anything at all, which is what some of the people in the video were doing, then it isn't even that.

The very beginning of the video starts by promoting a new war on terror against anti-government attitudes. The guy who was shooting people was obviously a criminal though.

[lester1/2jr]

Yeah I was just being flippant. I don't know if they are actually terrorists though a police officer, they're people too, probably would think otherwise. anyway thumbs down to soveriegn citizens from me.

[Agorism]

Yeah I was just being flippant. I don't know if they are actually terrorists though a police officer, they're people too, probably would think otherwise. anyway thumbs down to soveriegn citizens from me.


Even nonviolent ones?

[Danke]

60 minutes hit piece on soverign citizens as terrorists

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366128n&tag=related;photovideo

Of course, I don't feel too badly for the people they had in the video.

If you are referring to the Kanes, his wife claims that is not him in the tapes the cops took 41 days to release.

[Freedom 4 all]

The sovereign guy actually being interviewed remained remarkably calm and collected for the crap they were throwing at him. Associating guys like that with terrorists and cop killers just isn't right.

[Xenophage]

These people are simply irrational and self-destructive, which makes me question their ideology.

They aren't working toward freedom. They're defaming freedom-lovers while simultaneously ending any chance they ever had at living happy lives.

EDIT: Talking about the cop killers, here, that's all.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

If you are referring to the Kanes, his wife claims that is not him in the tapes the cops took 41 days to release.

I would be skeptical of anything that takes longer than a day to be release. I.E even if Obama showed dead Osama right now, I wouldn't believe it at this point.

[BUSHLIED]

While these individual correctly understand the concept of limited government and personal freedoms, they live in a society that is increasing gaining control over them...the advances in technology make it possible for the gov and law enforcement to know where you are, every minute of the day...they can "most likely" gain access to your phone records, financial accounts, and personal lives...through the use of technology and "laws" designed to promote security of the homeland. What does one do when they are fundamentally opposed to this and internalized the mentality that "I am a free person..." the logical outcome is the threat and use of force to protect yourself and your perceived rights to be left alone...it is either comply or not comply, but you if don't comply you will be arrested or targeted...all the gray is lost and the issue becomes black & white to many of these people. Now I certainly don't endorse fraud or these individuals uses force against people...but you have to ask yourself, where/when do you draw the line?

If you firmly believe that the federal income tax is essentially gov. theft, then if someone came to your home to rob you, what would you do to them? Sadly, these people are trapped and they are ticking time bombs...YES our founding fathers revolted and used violence, that is our model...so these people are not out in right field somewhere and sometimes a bit nutty with some of there concepts about the gov (i.e. animal versus man, birth certificate name etc..) BUT they do have a point. If you look around you, the average person is being "assaulted" by the fed, state, and local government daily..not to mention the big special interest and corporations...are we simply to bend over and take it OR do you fight back in someway...think about all the small taxes and fees hidden away...first they take federal taxes, then FICA, then state taxes...if you are an employee, which a super majority of people are, these taxes are automatically deducted. Then if you own a cell phone, there are taxes and fees there that amount to about 10% of your bill, car inspections fees, car registration fees, drivers licenses fees, oh, if you own a home, property taxes, sales tax in most states...gas tax...on and on...people making less than 30,000, have little to save with after the gov. takes there share...if you get into an accident or speeding ticket, your insurance goes up...you miss one credit card payment and your credit is dinged for seven years...some employers check your credit before they hire you...could you imagine what it must be like for the people living in the middle east, where they are under dictators that could just kill them or secretly take them and torture them without anyone being able to do anything about it...? I sympathize with these individuals, our politicians seem to me worthless when it comes to taken stands on these issues, the gov keeps growing and growing, and then the big banks get bailed out with hundreds of billions of dollars and the average citizen gets a small tax refund? The problem is that many people are simply not that educated on these topics, already live comfortably, or endorse socialism and bigger gov because they get things from the gov. To me, the middle-class are being "gutted" in many ways they already have been...it's sad. Anyway, keep up the fight and hold your member of congress accountable, after all, the buck stops with "we the people" if we dont do, help us...

[Lucille]

42 USC 1983: It's Time (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=187996)


We have some Sheriff's Departments to file these cases against. Like, for example, Bandera County:

(June 9th): The law enforcement agency said followers of The Sovereign Citizens Movement have been known to carry out violent acts, including killing law enforcement officers and other public servants.


The sheriff's office told KSAT-12 News the warning was prompted by the recent shooting death of Bexar County Sheriff's Deputy Sgt. Kenneth Vann.

"We have domestic terrorism right at our doorstep," said Capt. Charlie Hicks of the Bandera County Sheriff's Office.

Hicks said while there's no evidence Vann's death had any links to the Sovereign Citizens, it's the same type of crime followers are known for.

Really? The above statement was made on June 9th with knowing and intentional falsity given this previous report:


SAN ANTONIO (June 7, 2011)--Ballistics tests show that a rifle that authorities seized from the home of a man charged in the ambush killing of a Bexar County deputy sheriff is a match to the weapon used in the slaying.

Authorities believe Gonzales was drunk and on anti-depression medication during the unprovoked and apparently random attack.

So the alleged perpetrator was on anti-depressants and drunk at the time of the apparently random attack.

That is, there was and remains no reportable evidence that this person was involved in any sort of "violent domestic terrorist" group whatsoever. But two days later this Sheriff lied to the media and public - on purpose - in an attempt to get you to surrender your Constitutional rights.

Maybe the truth is that in the main "violent right-wing extremism" doesn't really exist. In fact, it seems that most of our violent extremism appears to come not from the right, but rather from the lefty side of the political aisle when there's any sort of political affiliation at all.
[...]
You want to know how you are tricked into surrendering your Constitutional rights? It happens just like this: This Sheriff, who should be sued under 42 USC 1983 and forced to forfeit every single penny of his personal wealth by the citizens of that county, intentionally lied, just as occurred in Tucson, about the motive of a person who apparently was on psychotropic medication that has a documented history of occasionally producing irrational violence and he was claimed to be intoxicated besides.

Despite knowledge of these facts this Sheriff has attempted to intentionally deceive the public by inventing a non-existent "motive" for this senseless and apparently-psychotic incident.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Corporate Media IS the 4th branch of government. Propaganda and Indoctrination... Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, WARSAW PACT countries examples of the same path the government control is taking this country. You look at this chummy relationship between Press and Government... Press Dinners, etc.

MSM Executives meet each and every week with White House leaders on which public stories to carry and which to censure.

Corporate giants like; ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, radio, political/social web media, should NEVER be trusted.

Just this morning on ABC's THIS WEEK with Christie Amanpour covering AFGHANISTAN and troops... the field correspondents had no issues stating their were Taliban mortar attacks right before they arrived killing 2 children. No mention of the 52 civilians (14 children) killed by US/UK air strikes in the past week in Afghanistan, that's just known of...

Remember 18 more military members died in this weeks WAR=PEACE by the Empire