Paultarian vs. Libertarian

[JackieDan]

What are the ultimate differences being a Paultarian and a Libertarian? In other words, what do Ron Paul disagree with the Libertarian philosophy..

For instance, I know that Ron Paul supports the fence in US-Mexico Border. Libertarians would reject that.

So far that's all I know. I would like know more (if there are any).

[trey4sports]

i dont think ron supports a fence? Secondly, there is some that are pro-choice as well.

[JackieDan]

i dont think ron supports a fence? Secondly, there is some that are pro-choice as well.

He voted for it.

[t0rnado]

He voted for it.

Back in 2007, during one of the debates, he explained why he voted for it. It was because he thought that border security was an issue. He doesn't want a fence on the border.

[pcosmar]

And what is the point or purpose of this thread?

[specsaregood]

He voted for it.

Republican Debate Transcript, New Hampshire
June 5, 2007


Congressman Paul, I want you to weigh in on this as well.

I believe — and correct me if I’m wrong — you voted o support that 700-mile fence along the border between the United States and Mexico. Did you?

REP. PAUL: I did.

MR. BLITZER: What about Canada? Is there a need for a similar fence along the border between the United States and Canada?

REP. PAUL: No. No, because that bill — probably the fence was my weakest reason for doing that, but for other reasons — to enforce the law — was important, and border security is important. And we’ve talked about amnesty, which I’m positively opposed to.

But one thing that has not been mentioned here, which I think is very, very important — if you subsidize something, you get more of it. So — we subsidize illegal immigration, we reward it by easy citizenship, either birthright or amnesty.

But we force our states and our local communities to pay for the health care and pay for the education. Why wouldn’t they bring their families? And because of our economic conditions, we do need workers. But if we had a truly free market economy, the illegal immigrants would not be the scapegoat. We would probably need them and they would be acceptable, but because of economic conditions, they have become the scapegoat.

MR. BLITZER: Okay. Thank you, Congressman. (Applause.)

[JackieDan]

Republican Debate Transcript, New Hampshire
June 5, 2007

Thank you!

[LibXist]

WTF is a Paultarian? Ron is straight up libertarian, just not the kind that advocates for the phony fair tax and all those other Big Government Libertarian programs.

[pcosmar]

WTF is a Paultarian?

Twas my first thought.

[TruckinMike]

And what is the point or purpose of this thread?

Defining oneself as a Libertarian could be bad for gaining votes --- This topic should be discussed.

After all, RP is not a libertarian. I would classify him as a Constitutionalist. But even if he leaned a bit more libertarian -- I would still refer to him as a Constitutionalist. Many here can't see the negative in referring to him as a libertarian. To fence riding neo-cons it matters. Its the fence riding neo-con voters that we are after. Alienating them for no reason -- is not a good idea.

my 2 cents...

TMike


I'm a Constitutionalist..." --- Ron Paul

[axiomata]

A Paultarian is a libertarian properly defined.

[suoulfrepus]

I don't see any discrepancy between the two. Liberty Defined is unambiguously libertarian.

[pcosmar]

Defining oneself as a Libertarian could be bad for gaining votes --- This topic should be discussed.

After all, RP is not a libertarian. I would classify him as a Constitutionalist. But even if he leaned a bit more libertarian -- I would still refer to him as a Constitutionalist. Many here can't see the negative in referring to him as a libertarian. To fence riding neo-cons it matters. Its the fence riding neo-con voters that we are after. Alienating them for no reason -- is not a good idea.

my 2 cents...

TMike

Big "L" or small "l" ?
libertarian is the opposite of authoritarian. It comes from the word and idea of liberty.
The Libertarian Party (big "L") was an offshoot of the republican party as a response to communism in that party.
Trotskyites (neo-conservatives) had taken over the Republican Party. Those that still believed in some principals of liberty and the Republican form of government split off.

Ron Paul is an old school Republican, he is also a Constitutionalist and a libertarian.

The Neo-cons and the present Republican Party are NOT.
They are both socialist and authoritarian.

[nbhadja]

The difference is that Ron Paul gives the states some power to minimize some freedom while a full Libertarian opposes any form of government cracking down on freedom- local, state, or federal.

[ClayTrainor]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?291050-Ron-Paul-reconfirms-he-s-a-voluntarist

[heavenlyboy34]

As a libertarian (voluntaryist) I don't have any problem with a border fence as long as the owners of the property down at the border want it. The border region would be much safer if it was all privately owned land so there would be a real incentive to protect it.

[payme_rick]

Libertarian, Voluntaryist, Constitutionalist, Republican, Paultarian... so many definitions, the man can only be one thing...

D.C- Congressman Ron Paul (Badass-TX) narrowed out President Barack Obama last night to win the 2012 presidential election, breaking the streak of two consecutive two-term presidencies...

[undergroundrr]

I saw an article today that called him a Repub-litarian.

[jack555]

this thread is ridiculous and ignorant...op you are no more libertarian than Ron Paul...there is no single libertarian philosophy and just because you disagree with ron paul on an issue does not make your view more libertarian.....and if you are referring to the libertarian party's views need i remind you that ron paul was the libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He may disagree on issues with the libertarian party and other libertarians but that does not make him not a libertarian. Do all republicans agree on all issues? Do john mccain and huckabee agree on all issues? no. Does that mean one of them is not a republican. no

[jack555]

The difference is that Ron Paul gives the states some power to minimize some freedom while a full Libertarian opposes any form of government cracking down on freedom- local, state, or federal.

sounds to me like you are defining both a type of libertarian and a type of anarchy not an all encompassing libertarian view......and is ron paul supporting some state and local government a step in thr right direction? yes because what you describe is not possible without first doing what ron paul is trying to do (unless there is a collapse of society or something)

[heavenlyboy34]

A Paultarian is a libertarian properly defined.
false. There is a broad spectrum of "libertarianism", and "Paultarian" is just one of them.

[V3n]

"Once you label me you negate me." -Søren Kierkegaard

(I wonder how he felt on quoting him..)

[TroySmith]

I would say the biggest divide among libertarians would be abortion. Other than that, generally, speaking most libertarians just have disputes about how small government should be but would have it MUCH smaller than it has been in the last 80 years.

[TruckinMike]

True definitions don't mean diddly-squat. Words conjure emotions and perceptions. How does the word "Libertarian" or "libertarian effect the folks that we need to vote for RP? Positively or negatively? ..and when compared to Constitutionalist?

That is the only thing that is important - IMO. Its all about votes - nothing more. As result we should be willing to change our un-conscience marketing, to conscience marketing. Thus leaving out the word libertarian whenever describing RP.

Just my opinion...

TMike

[Philhelm]

A Paultarian is registered as a Republican; a Libertarian is not.

[pcosmar]

A Paultarian is registered as a Republican; a Libertarian is not.

I'm registered to vote. Period.
I do not belong to any party.

see "independent"

[AlexMerced]

This remind me when I started a blog back in 2007 called the "Paulestinian Nation" to blog about Ron Paul, and everyone didn't like the name, when I watdch my videos from early 2008 it's amazing to see how much I've learned and changed ove rthe last 4 years.