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t0rnado
05-15-2011, 01:46 AM
http://www.unelected.org/president-paul-would-have-killed-bin-laden-earlier


The Founding Fathers of the United States included a passage in the Constitution, which allowed for a solution to problems like the ones the US faced after the attacks on 9/11. Rather than invading multiple countries in search of a ragtag crew of air pirates, Letters of Marque and Reprisal would have allowed for the President to pursue the individuals responsible for the attack in a precise manner.

After the attacks on 9/11, Congressman Ron Paul introduced a bill in the Congress, which would have specified the scope for a mission to take down the terrorists responsible for the attacks on 9/11. First and foremost, the proposal was Constitutional and secondly, it was highly targeted and wouldn’t have resulted in thousands of Americans being killed senselessly. Had Congressman Ron Paul’s proposal for letters of Marque and Reprisal been passed by the United States Congress in October of 2001, trillions of dollars and thousands of lives would not have been lost in the search for Osama bin Laden.

September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 – Authorizes and requests the President to issue letters of marque and reprisal to commission privately armed and equipped persons and entities to seize outside of the United States the person and property of Osama bin Laden, of any al Qaeda co-conspirator, and any conspirator with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda who are responsible for the terrorist attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001, including any similar planned acts against the United States in the future. Authorizes the President to place a bounty, from amounts appropriated on September 14, 2001, in the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Recovery from and Response to Terrorists Attacks on the United States or from private sources, for the capture, dead or alive, of Osama bin Laden or any other al Qaeda conspirator responsible for the act of air piracy upon the United States on September 11, 2001.

As early as 2007, Ron Paul predicted that Pakistan harbored Osama bin Laden and in a speech on the floor of Congress, stated,

The foolishness of our foreign policy has us spending money in Pakistan, a military dictatorship with nuclear weapons, which is harboring Osama Bin Laden. The irony that taxpayers are paying to help protect Osama Bin Laden is astounding.

It goes without say that President Paul would have killed Osama bin Laden far quicker and with more finesse than both George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

To claim that the mission to kill bin Laden was successful is tantamount to suggesting that getting an ‘A’ on a test after attempting it every day for 10 years deserves a pat on the back. It doesn’t deserve a pat on the back, no, it deserves a punch in the face. The decade long mission only served to expose the incompetence of the United States to the international community. Invading over 3 countries, killing over one hundred thousand innocent civilians, losing thousands of soldiers, and squandering trillions of dollars for a single man hiding in compound, in a nation which had been given billions of taxpayer dollars, was not worth it. The aforementioned were only the foreign consequences of the mission to kill bin Laden. Domestic consequences of the War on Terror include the passage of the PATRIOT Act, which violates the 4th and 5th Amendments, the inception of the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA, torture at Guantanamo Bay, and other gross violations of civil liberties.

Sure, the end goal was achieved, but it was achieved with the dexterity of a heavily armed 5 year old child.

Both in foreign policy and economics, progressives believe that throwing massive sums of money and human bodies at problems solves them. Progressives cannot solve problems, but only enlarge them because neither the Constitution nor logic fit into their socialist philosophy. The only American, Constitutional solution for finding bin Laden after 9/11 was offered by true conservatives like Ron Paul.

malkusm
05-15-2011, 02:12 AM
Bump....need to use this talking point over and over again.

sunghoko
05-15-2011, 02:22 AM
If he had said the words " I would have gotten the bastard years ago" I think that would have brought the house down during the fox news debate. It would be something to talk about. Not some silly heroin thing.

Omphfullas Zamboni
05-15-2011, 03:03 AM
Is there any possible way for us or a campaign staffer to persuade RP to say exactly this? Even if the official campaign or Campaign for Liberty could tweet the URL of this article…

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-15-2011, 03:09 AM
I thought he died a while ago

t0rnado
05-15-2011, 03:15 AM
I thought he died a while ago

He probably did. That's not what GOP primary voters want to hear though.

squarepusher
05-15-2011, 03:19 AM
great

Eric21ND
05-15-2011, 04:04 AM
Dr. Paul totally whiffed on this one, sorry guys buts that the reality of the situation. Anyway you frame it you'll lose the argument now.

Philmanoman
05-15-2011, 06:11 AM
I didnt have a problem with the way he said it.I dont see how you can lose the argument unless your just really bad at debate.

t0rnado
05-16-2011, 05:04 AM
Dr. Paul totally whiffed on this one, sorry guys buts that the reality of the situation. Anyway you frame it you'll lose the argument now.

He stayed true to his principles and the Constitution. Come primary election time, no one will care. The MSM is just using logical fallacies to attack him in interviews right now.

loveshiscountry
05-16-2011, 06:14 AM
He stayed true to his principles and the Constitution. Come primary election time, no one will care. The MSM is just using logical fallacies to attack him in interviews right now.
Agreed. He stayed true. We have style over substance in the White House right now. Lead by example, don't be like them.

apropos
05-16-2011, 07:12 AM
The bin Laden issue is a losing argument however you cut it, since OBL is now dead. The reality is that people don't care half as much about the Constitution as they care about results. This is just self-apparent to me.

Paul did a good thing in 2008 of raising the question that we haven't declared war in half a century. It's a great question. He did a good thing in raising the issue of blowback (though the theory of blowback seems to be at odds with his latest statement on Meet the Press that we should have told Pakistan about the raid in advance).

Paul's strength is in domestic issues. Jobs. Taxes. Government accountability. Transparency. Bailouts. All other topics should be avoided like the plague, because I think Paul's ultimate problem isn't the media, a lack of education on the part of the voters, or that his followers are obnoxious - ultimately it is that voters don't trust him to be a good leader. Legalize heroin? Tell Pakistan about the raid in advance after years of a dubious relationship? Go easy on illegal aliens because they do jobs millions of unemployed Americans won't do?

I think we're well on our way here of alienating each and every segment of potential GOP voters.

nocompromises
05-16-2011, 07:22 AM
If Ron Paul had been president for the last eight years we would have caught Osama before he got to Pakistan, and we would have been able to interrogate him about 9/11. It would have been interesting to find out if he would have testified that he worked with US operatives in the attack.

LisaNY
05-16-2011, 07:50 AM
I believe Ron would have handled it much better. Republicans need to stop praising obama for this and play politics like the left does.

Valli6
05-16-2011, 12:22 PM
CORRECTION:
Ron Paul predicted Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyHtTL6sU2g

also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4VMeW8h1Vw#t=8m18s

Lucille
05-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Yup.

And as I like to remind conservatives every chance I get, Pres. Paul wouldn't have waged two decade-long wars to build two Islamic States with Constitutions based on Sharia Law (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/260155/death-apostates-not-perversion-islam-islam-andrew-c-mccarthy?page=1) (which they claim is a grave danger to mankind) to do it either. I have to wonder how many conservative supporters of these Islamic nation-building wars have developed tics from their cognitive dissonance.

Elwar
05-16-2011, 12:53 PM
From: "The Liberty Committee" <list@thelibertycommittee.org>
Subject: ALERT/ Citizens' Call: Capture or Kill; Letters of Marque
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:45:53 -0400
October 11, 2001
Dear liberty activist,
The Liberty Committee calls upon every U.S. citizen to support two
pieces of legislation: The September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of
2001 (H.R. 3076), and The Air Piracy Reprisal and Capture Act of 2001
(H.R. 3074). Both bills were introduced by Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
on October 10, 2001.
Congressman Ron Paul has said that Congress can do more to fulfill its
constitutional obligation of providing for the defense of our sovereign
nation, and granting President Bush the authority to grant letters of
marque and reprisal to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and his fellow
terrorists is exactly what Congress should do.
Article I, Section 8, Clauses 10 and 11 of the U.S. Constitution grants
Congress the power to define offenses against the law of nations and to
authorize the use of nongovernmental persons or entities to capture
those who commit those offenses.
H.R. 3076 would grant President Bush the authority to issue letters of
marque and reprisal for the capture of those responsible for the
September 11 attacks upon the United States. H.R. 3074 supports this
effort by updating federal statutes to include piracy of the skies
along with piracy of the high seas as violations of the law of nations
deserving such serious reprisal.
Americans want Osama bin Laden and the other terrorists responsible for
the attacks upon our sovereign nation to be captured or killed and
using letters of marque and reprisal will be another weapon of war that
President Bush can use to make that happen.
American citizens can speed up the capture of bin Laden by telling
their elected representatives to get this legislation moving now.
Go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/lomar.htm to sign up for the
campaign. We are demanding urgent action to solve a grave problem, and
if you scroll down to Letter of Marque and Reprisal Bills: Questions
and Answers, your questions will be answered.
Congressman Ron Paul is scheduled to be a guest on Fox & Friends (Fox News television) tomorrow morning (Friday, Oct. 12) at 8:45 a.m. ET to talk about this important legislation.
Numerous radio talk show programs have been scheduled for us to tell
the American public about how they can help.
We're conducting a multi-step campaign to get the House and Senate to
pass this legislation quickly. Please join us. Go to
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/lomar.htm today.
Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org (http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/)
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