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DrNoZone
10-27-2007, 07:53 AM
Libertarian fixation on Guy Fawkes? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?item.1078.1)
Why are libertarians so fascinated by Guy Fawkes who expresses no libertarian principles...quite the opposite. There was nothing libertarian about Fawkes. If wanting to overthrow a government per se makes you a libertarian, why not idealize Che Guevara? At least he was a successful revolutionary.

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ItsTime
10-27-2007, 08:00 AM
wow every libertarian has a fixation on guy? ha... not even worth the energy to click the link

pcosmar
10-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Well the site you directed was Anarchist. Though they share some points of view, All libertarians are not anarchists.
I don't see much fascination with Guy Fawkes.
There is some with the character "V", and he was loosely based on Guy Fawkes. It is a very superficial connection.
I see it more of a classic Good v Evil story.
The lone oppressed individual against the tyrannical empire.
Our nation was formed in a Violent Revolution.
We were warned to beware of Tyranny rising again, and the 2nd amendment was put in place to protect our ability to combat it.
We are presently in a position of loosing our Freedom, and in conflict with those forces of Tyranny.
Violence, though distasteful, does have it's place. I hope that we can solve this through peaceful means.
The story of "V" against the entrenched Tyranny is inspiring to many.
It is however a fictional story.

MS0453
10-27-2007, 09:15 AM
I agree that fixation is a strange one. As I said in a different thread, neither Fawkes nor Orwell were friends to liberty.

mdh
10-27-2007, 09:42 AM
Simple answer: the movie V for Vendetta.

Most people don't even know who Fawkes was, they just like the V character.

JosephTheLibertarian
10-27-2007, 10:12 AM
Libertarian fixation on Guy Fawkes? (http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?item.1078.1)
Why are libertarians so fascinated by Guy Fawkes who expresses no libertarian principles...quite the opposite. There was nothing libertarian about Fawkes. If wanting to overthrow a government per se makes you a libertarian, why not idealize Che Guevara? At least he was a successful revolutionary.

[click link above for full story]

I think Che just wanted government expansion into everything... health care, education, ...every industry. Che wasn't an anarchist.

DrNoZone
10-27-2007, 10:21 AM
I think Che just wanted government expansion into everything... health care, education, ...every industry. Che wasn't an anarchist.

Nope, he was a socialist.

JosephTheLibertarian
10-27-2007, 10:24 AM
Nope, he was a socialist.

ha. that's the same fucking thing. Do you really believe they'll ever reach their final stage of a stateless utopia? bull. You can't eradicate government through government, socialists just say that garbage to appeal to people. It doesn't sound that appealing when government intervention into everything is the goal of socialism.

cujothekitten
10-27-2007, 10:27 AM
I'm a libertarian and I'm far from fixated on the guy.

JosephTheLibertarian
10-27-2007, 10:35 AM
I only like libertarianism because I don't want to be responsible for my own protection.... I'm probably libertarian/anarchist, right on the borderline.

Mitt Romneys sideburns
10-27-2007, 11:27 AM
I just thought Natalie Portman was hot


I never understood the socialist revolutionaries. Its like, "The government sucks! Lets overthrow it, and in its place, establish a bigger, more powerful, more easily corruptible entity."

Buzz
10-27-2007, 11:30 AM
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literatim
10-27-2007, 11:32 AM
Guy Fawkes day is the celebration of Guy Fawkes' failure.

JosephTheLibertarian
10-27-2007, 11:39 AM
The Gunpowder Plot failed, so Guy Fawkes sucked. I wonder if it's considered a sin to torture and murder someone... oh, but they were with the government, so it doesn't count LOL

NewEnd
10-27-2007, 12:47 PM
...crap

Malakai0
10-27-2007, 02:08 PM
This GF/V obsession from both sides is pretty stupid. Wasting massive forum space and threads on the same beaten to death topic, gg.\

People like V and GF because we now have a government that warrants resisting. It has nothing to do with libertarianism, it's just that anyone who thinks government should be small and noninvasive are living in their worst nightmare here.