The Internet Kill Switch: Is Online Access a Right?

[BamaFanNKy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr74q2FQiFg&feature=feedu

[torchbearer]

the ability for someone to use their capital to provide internet access, and the ability for you to buy it, is a right.
for someone to interfere with that contract is immoral.
next question.

[BamaFanNKy]

the ability for someone to use their capital to provide internet access, and the ability for you to buy it, is a right.
for someone to interfere with that contract is immoral.
next question.

Guy had a pretty good answer. He was opposed.

[ForLibertyFight]

In case of a "national emergency", the government will find a way to limit internet access.

[sailingaway]

It is a series of property rights, so in a sense, yes.

[VIDEODROME]

I don't see what possible benefit there is for having a killswitch.

[torchbearer]

Guy had a pretty good answer. He was opposed.

do yo have the right to interfere with my property?

[NewRightLibertarian]

I don't see what possible benefit there is for having a killswitch.

duh, to fight terrorism. what are you with the terrorists or something?

[MikeStanart]

I don't see what possible benefit there is for having a killswitch.

During a lot of the middle eastern rioting, governments killed the internet right off the bat, in hopes of hindering communication between opposition groups and disabling them from getting additional supporters.

[BamaFanNKy]

do yo have the right to interfere with my property?

I don't think that was an argument. I think they were arguing against the Kill Switch. In fact he brings up a "claim right" which means the government or others must defend that right. Or maybe I am wrong in what I am hearing.

[pcosmar]

I don't see what possible benefit there is for having a killswitch.

To Limit communication. To Limit free speech.
To prevent opposing views.

To Limit the organization of opposition to unpopular actions.

[torchbearer]

I don't think that was an argument. I think they were arguing against the Kill Switch. In fact he brings up a "claim right" which means the government or others must defend that right. Or maybe I am wrong in what I am hearing.

the kill switch seems like an override of a contract.
is it the deactivation pf a contract against the will of the contractors, in some attempt to save the contract?
is that like Bush abandoning the free market in order to save it?

[BamaFanNKy]

the kill switch seems like an override of a contract.
is it the deactivation pf a contract against the will of the contractors, in some attempt to save the contract?
is that like Bush abandoning the free market in order to save it?

You didn't watch the video did you?

It actually argues against the kill switch.

[torchbearer]

You didn't watch the video did you?

It actually argues against the kill switch.

I'm making the argument for property rights.

[BamaFanNKy]

I'm making the argument for property rights.

Ah..... Well, Liberty rights and Claimed rights probably fall in that category.

[torchbearer]

Ah..... Well, Liberty rights and Claimed rights probably fall in that category.

i'm talking about a first principle. a principle by which all other principles are based.
the very fact that I own myself.
i own myself, therefore i own the production that comes forth from my body.
I own the goods/services bartered/paid for by that production.
THat ownership is a right, a sovereignty- that the same as a king.

this is the philosophy of a voluntary society.

[BamaFanNKy]

i'm talking about a first principle. a principle by which all other principles are based.
the very fact that I own myself.
i own myself, therefore i own the production that comes forth from my body.
I own the goods/services bartered/paid for by that production.
THat ownership is a right, a sovereignty- that the same as a king.

this is the philosophy of a voluntary society.

Except, we are not born as free individuals in this country. We are already mortgaged before we are born with the borrowing of dollars. Your future earnings are already spent and owed to China.

[torchbearer]

Except, we are not born as free individuals in this country. We are already mortgaged before we are born with the borrowing of dollars. Your future earnings are already spent and owed to China.

oh,i disagree, i cannot be forced onto a contract i did not sign.
that is the fallacy of the social contract.
now this is where i agree with the anarchs.
I cannot be held to account for the sins of another. no rationale can be made for me to pay for a debt of another, unless i have expressly agreed to do so.

[torchbearer]

for instance, i cannot go out and buy a car- and tell the car dealer that the car payments will be made by my yet unborn children.

[BamaFanNKy]

for instance, i cannot go out and buy a car- and tell the car dealer that the car payments will be made by my yet unborn children.

I agree. Yet, the rest of the world does not.