It's all about Pakistan

[wizardwatson]

A lot of buzz is going on about Pakistan and it's potential as a powder keg towards general war.

Justin Raimondo: It’s All About Pakistan (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/05/08/it%E2%80%99s-all-about-pakistan/)

Also, Webster Tarpley has been talking this up as well.

Tarpley.net: Bin Laden Reality TV mass brain washing. (http://tarpley.net/2011/05/08/bin-laden-reality-tv-mass-brainwashing/)

And a couple related threads from this forum:

Should the United States remain an ally to Pakistan (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?291467-Should-the-United-States-remain-an-ally-to-Pakistan)

Pakistani P.M Threatens U.S With Military Action If Attacks Happens Again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?291834-Pakistani-P.M-Threatens-U.S-With-Military-Action-If-Attacks-Happens-Again)

Lot of interesting developments. As Tarpley says, the U.S. now can claim pretty much anything they want as far as intelligence gathered from Osama's hideout goes. Tarpley believes the CIA has it's own "Wikileaks" now, with all the intelligence they can "claim" came from the kill operation.

Anyway, lots of interesting angles, I'll post more as the "relationship with Pakistan" story develops.

EDIT: Oh, yeah the "It's all about Pakistan" title (and Raimondo's title) refers to the assertion that "the Osama drama" is all about Pakistan.

[Brian4Liberty]

The recent media consensus that Pakistan absolutely knew everything about Bin Laden and were intentionally hiding him is alarming. When they all agree on something like this, it's never a good thing. And it's nothing more than conjecture, with nothing to back it up. It's similar to how "everyone" knew that Iraq had WMDs before the Iraq war started...

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

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[wizardwatson]

The recent media consensus that Pakistan absolutely knew everything about Bin Laden and were intentionally hiding him is alarming. When they all agree on something like this, it's never a good thing. And it's nothing more than conjecture, with nothing to back it up. It's similar to how "everyone" knew that Iraq had WMDs before the Iraq war started...

Yeah, it seems kind of eerie the similarities, but one glaring difference is that Pakistan has nukes, so I'm not really sure what's supposed to happen with Pakistan.

Here's an article where Pakistani P.M. is denying the "consensus" you mention about Pakistani complicity in Osama Drama:

Pakistan PM Calls Accusations Over Bin Laden 'Absurd' (http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/south/Pakistani-Prime-Minister-121492224.html)

[wizardwatson]

Interesting article from the guardian claiming the U.S. and Pakistan already had a deal in place to enter Pakistan and attack if they knew where the "terrorists" were.

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal)

From the article:


"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

and also:


The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

So this whole "don't violate our sovereignty" business may just be posturing to limit internal hatred of the ruling military by terrorist sympathizers. Don't know. If this is true, then the fact that Pakistan was basically complicit in U.S. violation of sovereignty may anger terrorist sympathizers in Pakistani military ranks and further destabilize Pakistan. Which seems to be (always was?) the goal.

[ds21089]

I wonder... could the attack Alex Jone's is talking about at http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-help-stop-false-flag-terror/ be something they intend to carry out then blame on Pakistan as "payback" for us killing Osama?

[wizardwatson]

I wonder... could the attack Alex Jone's is talking about at http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-help-stop-false-flag-terror/ be something they intend to carry out then blame on Pakistan as "payback" for us killing Osama?

Well, that's one of the theories posited by Webster Tarpley in the OP link. Also, though, Tarpley talks about how this "Treasure Trove of Terabytes" (i.e. all the 'intelligence' gathered at Osama's hideout, that the U.S. is calling the greatest intelligence find of any suspected terrorist ever) will be used to target U.S. adversaries worldwide. Since of course the U.S. can say that the intelligence gathered says whatever they want it to say.

[wizardwatson]

Another Pakistan headline:

Barack Obama under pressure to slash Pakistan aid (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/barack-obama-pressure-pakistan-aid)

Lots of interesting tidbits in the article but this one is interesting given the allegations by some that a false flag op is looming:



The discovery that Bin Laden was living in a largely military town has raised concerns about the security of the country's fast-growing nuclear stockpile, and the possibility that a terrorist group could steal the components for a bomb.

and also:


Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat, at the same hearing, said: "What does Pakistan's inability, just taking it at face value, to detect Osama bin Laden within Pakistan say about the security of its nuclear arsenal? It's one of the fastest-growing nuclear arsenals in the world."

[wizardwatson]

Interesting article from the guardian claiming the U.S. and Pakistan already had a deal in place to enter Pakistan and attack if they knew where the "terrorists" were.

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal)

From the article:


and also:


So this whole "don't violate our sovereignty" business may just be posturing to limit internal hatred of the ruling military by terrorist sympathizers. Don't know. If this is true, then the fact that Pakistan was basically complicit in U.S. violation of sovereignty may anger terrorist sympathizers in Pakistani military ranks and further destabilize Pakistan. Which seems to be (always was?) the goal.

Well, well, well. The plot thickens.


Musharraf: No deal made to let US get bin Laden (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jsUxzE_aaSkhfXuPHIZiHfB9q7Bw?docId=75a185a31 18b4a5f9138d92aa00f8a26)

[Justinjj1]

Tarpley has been talking about this for a while. This is a pretty interesting video I remember seeing last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFVwH2ICIV4

[wizardwatson]

All sorts of craziness surrounding this David Headley drama. He looks to be a asset of USA to me, with all the connections he's had, like being an informant for the DEA.

Even more interesting is how this will play into the obvious western goal of destabilizing Pakistan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/22/mumbai-terror-attack-pakistan-us-trial


Headley is a former informant for the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). He pleaded guilty last year to conducting reconnaissance for the Mumbai attacks and for the Danish plot. His confessions painted a devastating portrait of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) – he says ISI officers helped the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorist group plot the commando-style attacks on Mumbai.

[wizardwatson]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/Americas/Pakistan-s-ISI-planned-funded-26-11-sings-Headley/Article1-701130.aspx


Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), blamed for the 2008 Mumbai attacks, got assistance from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and both coordinated with each other, Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley said in a court here on Monday. Headley has pleaded guilty to laying the groundwork for the attack, which killed 169 people, including six Americans.

Headley testified at the trial of his friend and Chicago businessman Tahawwur Rana, who is accused of giving Headley cover when Headley scouted for targets in Mumbai for the LeT

Rana, a Pakistan-born Canadian citizen, is accused of using his immigration services firm to provide a cover story for Headley. Headley said the ISI provided help to LeT and that he had first started training in Pakistan more than a decade ago with the terror outfit.

Headley also said that LeT boss Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind behind the November 2008 attack, motivated him to carry out a ‘jihad’.
The LeT operative also said he was in touch with Major Iqbal of the ISI.

Headley claimed that two years before terrorists struck Mumbai, he began laying the groundwork for the attack, financed by $25,000 from Major Iqbal.

Headley said that when LeT leaders began talking about a possible attack in India, he offered to change his name and make a new passport to enter India undetected.

A lot of the facts surrounding this case are classified. What should be ringing bells is why the U.S. is allowing this person who has ties with U.S. and Pakistani intelligence to talk in an open forum at all. This taken together with supporting wikileaks documents seems to point to a CIA limited hangount operation as Tarpley puts it. Setting the stage for even more dirty laundry to be aired about Pakistan and just why we have to take over their nukes before one is said to be in terrorists hands.

Or maybe we're too late for that and this whole drama is just to propagandize us before one of them is inevitably set off.

[wizardwatson]

Tarpley's latest comments on the debacle.

US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack (http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatum-warns-washington-against-attack/)


China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.